Re: Re: coiling for candida big herx

April 2, 2012

Hi khaya,i've heard about the onion peeling also. could be, but what. may never know. but since i'm herxing i guess i should just keep at it?i try to be cautious on the treatments, and have actually only been doing mild, steady herxing. these last two were surprises with something that shouldn't have been, that's why i posted. wish i could do this with bart/babs but i keep plateauing which makes us wonder if i may have another strain--but with both of them? because i'm not treating them, i can feel some of the bart symptoms returning.

if i were functional to having some good days, i probably wouldn't be so impatient. i remember the good old days of just experiencing fibro symptoms. i hate feeling sick also, but it seems these last few yrs of treating i go from sick days to sicker days with the herxes. this truly does feel like those 'choose your own adventure' books. my kids really liked them, now i get to experience them. it is 'if i treat this, i will get this adventure, if i treat this, i get this other adventure'.

well, at least we get to make the choice. better than not knowing what we were fighting before we discovered it was lyme. so, that's a positive thought. actually, not knowing was the worst of all, so i am grateful just to know what the enemy is. and to know i'm not crazy!! well, maybe a little nuts, but i blame it on lyme anyway.

thanks for your input.barbara

Hi Barb,

I've heard that as we recover, we peel off layers, like an onion. As we deal with the exposed layers, new layers then become exposed. So I think it's entirely possible that your recent treatments got at layers that you did not reach before. But I don't know if it's possible to identify what they may have been. I would back off a little bit, and not increase again until the intensity of the herxes subsides.

Personally, I have not herxed that intensely from any treatment--but I have been very cautious, so most of my herxes are quite mild. It may take me forever to get at everything this way, but I hate being " sick " , so that's how I do it. And I have improved quite a bit, especially since I started rifing. So I see no reason to change my strategy.

I hope you have recovered from your herxing, and that it did not last too long!

Khaya

>

> Hi anyone,

>

> i have coiled off and on for a couple years for candida at 465 and only had

> minor, short herxes, mostly nausea and sweating, after which my nausea and

> other stomach discomfort was reduced. last month i increased the coiling

> session for 1 min. over most of my body (because herxes were never great

> before) and was really sick for 2 wks. last night i coiled for about 5

> min. over my *stomach and abdomen area.* this morning i was dizzy, light

> headed, nauseous, increased sweating and *extremely weak*, especially in my

> upper body, chest pain and pressure, heart pounding, pressure headache,

> more in the front and top.

>

> these 2 herxes seemed out of the ordinary compared to what i've experience

> before. they were different. so i looked on the cafl list and found 465

> hits candida, yeast, some parasites, fungus, and ebv. in '05 i tested

> significantly for ebv. dr said something about, chronic, current, acute,

> past,-- 3 of these 4 i think, can't remember.

>

> so did i suddenly herx for ebv and not just candida? why now and not

> before?

>

> or- did i just hit a big load of candida? anyone else herx like this for

> candida?

>

> or- did i hit a parasite? why now? because my symptoms have been

> consistent for over 10 yrs. nothing new.

>

> anyone have any suggestions?

>

> thanks

>

> barbara

>

April 3, 2012

marie,didn't know the candida flared in the spring. maybe that's what i'm experiencing then, along with a spring flare for the lyme, as you mention. do all the bus flare in the spring?? i never paid attention to it before as i didn't know it did that. although, my fibro dr has talked about fibro flaring in the spring and fall. hmmm. ya think it's the same thing as lyme?????

sorry to hear you are having trouble with it. can't remember if you have a coil. i coil for my candida and it helps. helps pick up the problems i create if i blow the diet. so if you have a coil, maybe try that--but go easy.

barbara

Hi Barbara,

I had an abrupt developpement of yeast since 5 days with spring flair probably lyme too .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: coiling for candida big herx

Hi Barb,I've heard that as we recover, we peel off layers, like an onion. As we deal with the exposed layers, new layers then become exposed. So I think it's entirely possible that your recent treatments got at layers that you did not reach before. But I don't know if it's possible to identify what they may have been. I would back off a little bit, and not increase again until the intensity of the herxes subsides.

Personally, I have not herxed that intensely from any treatment--but I have been very cautious, so most of my herxes are quite mild. It may take me forever to get at everything this way, but I hate being " sick " , so that's how I do it. And I have improved quite a bit, especially since I started rifing. So I see no reason to change my strategy.

I hope you have recovered from your herxing, and that it did not last too long!Khaya

>> Hi anyone,> > i have coiled off and on for a couple years for candida at 465 and only had> minor, short herxes, mostly nausea and sweating, after which my nausea and> other stomach discomfort was reduced. last month i increased the coiling

> session for 1 min. over most of my body (because herxes were never great> before) and was really sick for 2 wks. last night i coiled for about 5> min. over my *stomach and abdomen area.* this morning i was dizzy, light

> headed, nauseous, increased sweating and *extremely weak*, especially in my> upper body, chest pain and pressure, heart pounding, pressure headache,> more in the front and top.> > these 2 herxes seemed out of the ordinary compared to what i've experience

>

before. they were different. so i looked on the cafl list and found 465> hits candida, yeast, some parasites, fungus, and ebv. in '05 i tested> significantly for ebv. dr said something about, chronic, current, acute,

> past,-- 3 of these 4 i think, can't remember.> > so did i suddenly herx for ebv and not just candida? why now and not> before?> > or- did i just hit a big load of candida? anyone else herx like this for

> candida?> > or- did i hit a parasite? why now? because my symptoms have been> consistent for over 10 yrs. nothing new.> > anyone have any suggestions?> > thanks>

> barbara>

April 3, 2012

THank you barbara I do have the coil .

I do not coil for fungus as I do not knwo wher eis my Cd with the frequencies I need to look . Bu tlufenuron did a very good job except it came back I am at my 3round of lufenuron .

I am going to adress also the skin fungus anils and hair as the MMS is temporaray relive and I di dnto yet use the thief oil extensively for this I keep it for the appartement contuing to sanitise it systematically.

So far the lufenuron was th emost efefctive not counting the htief oil I did nto try for good for the body.

Spring awake all creaturs living all th ebugs as ourselves

kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 9:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: coiling for candida big herx

marie,

didn't know the candida flared in the spring. maybe that's what i'm experiencing then, along with a spring flare for the lyme, as you mention. do all the bus flare in the spring?? i never paid attention to it before as i didn't know it did that. although, my fibro dr has talked about fibro flaring in the spring and fall. hmmm. ya think it's the same thing as lyme?????

sorry to hear you are having trouble with it. can't remember if you have a coil. i coil for my candida and it helps. helps pick up the problems i create if i blow the diet. so if you have a coil, maybe try that--but go easy.

barbara

Hi Barbara,

I had an abrupt developpement of yeast since 5 days with spring flair probably lyme too .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 9:00 PMSubject: Re: coiling for candida big herx

Hi Barb,I've heard that as we recover, we peel off layers, like an onion. As we deal with the exposed layers, new layers then become exposed. So I think it's entirely possible that your recent treatments got at layers that you did not reach before. But I don't know if it's possible to identify what they may have been. I would back off a little bit, and not increase again until the intensity of the herxes subsides.Personally, I have not herxed that intensely from any treatment--but I have been very cautious, so most of my herxes are quite mild. It may take me forever to get at everything this way, but I hate being "sick", so that's how I do it. And I have improved quite a bit, especially since I started rifing. So I see no reason to change my strategy.I hope you have recovered from your herxing, and that it did not last too long!Khaya>> Hi anyone,> > i have coiled off and on for a couple years for candida at 465 and only had> minor, short herxes, mostly nausea and sweating, after which my nausea and> other stomach discomfort was reduced. last month i increased the coiling> session for 1 min. over most of my body (because herxes were never great> before) and was really sick for 2 wks. last night i coiled for about 5> min. over my *stomach and abdomen area.* this morning i was dizzy, light> headed, nauseous, increased sweating and *extremely weak*, especially in my> upper body, chest pain and pressure, heart pounding, pressure headache,> more in the front and top.> > these 2 herxes seemed out of the ordinary compared to what i've experience>

before. they were different. so i looked on the cafl list and found 465> hits candida, yeast, some parasites, fungus, and ebv. in '05 i tested> significantly for ebv. dr said something about, chronic, current, acute,> past,-- 3 of these 4 i think, can't remember.> > so did i suddenly herx for ebv and not just candida? why now and not> before?> > or- did i just hit a big load of candida? anyone else herx like this for> candida?> > or- did i hit a parasite? why now? because my symptoms have been> consistent for over 10 yrs. nothing new.> > anyone have any suggestions?> > thanks> > barbara>

April 3, 2012

thanks marie, i never thought about all the bugs in us awakening in the spring. but, in nature they all 'wake up' and multiply, so i guess the internal ones have that 'body clock' in them as well. gives a whole new look to spring, doesn't it.

barbara

THank you barbara I do have the coil .

I do not coil for fungus as I do not knwo wher eis my Cd with the frequencies I need to look . Bu tlufenuron did a very good job except it came back I am at my 3round of lufenuron .

I am going to adress also the skin fungus anils and hair as the MMS is temporaray relive and I di dnto yet use the thief oil extensively for this I keep it for the appartement contuing to sanitise it systematically.

So far the lufenuron was th emost efefctive not counting the htief oil I did nto try for good for the body.

Spring awake all creaturs living all th ebugs as ourselves

kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 9:11 PM

Subject: Re: Re: coiling for candida big herx

marie,

didn't know the candida flared in the spring. maybe that's what i'm experiencing then, along with a spring flare for the lyme, as you mention. do all the bus flare in the spring?? i never paid attention to it before as i didn't know it did that. although, my fibro dr has talked about fibro flaring in the spring and fall. hmmm. ya think it's the same thing as lyme?????

sorry to hear you are having trouble with it. can't remember if you have a coil. i coil for my candida and it helps. helps pick up the problems i create if i blow the diet. so if you have a coil, maybe try that--but go easy.

barbara

Hi Barbara,

I had an abrupt developpement of yeast since 5 days with spring flair probably lyme too .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: coiling for candida big herx

Hi Barb,I've heard that as we recover, we peel off layers, like an onion. As we deal with the exposed layers, new layers then become exposed. So I think it's entirely possible that your recent treatments got at layers that you did not reach before. But I don't know if it's possible to identify what they may have been. I would back off a little bit, and not increase again until the intensity of the herxes subsides.

Personally, I have not herxed that intensely from any treatment--but I have been very cautious, so most of my herxes are quite mild. It may take me forever to get at everything this way, but I hate being " sick " , so that's how I do it. And I have improved quite a bit, especially since I started rifing. So I see no reason to change my strategy.

I hope you have recovered from your herxing, and that it did not last too long!Khaya

>> Hi anyone,> > i have coiled off and on for a couple years for candida at 465 and only had> minor, short herxes, mostly nausea and sweating, after which my nausea and> other stomach discomfort was reduced. last month i increased the coiling

> session for 1 min. over most of my body (because herxes were never great> before) and was really sick for 2 wks. last night i coiled for about 5> min. over my *stomach and abdomen area.* this morning i was dizzy, light

> headed, nauseous, increased sweating and *extremely weak*, especially in my> upper body, chest pain and pressure, heart pounding, pressure headache,> more in the front and top.> > these 2 herxes seemed out of the ordinary compared to what i've experience

>

before. they were different. so i looked on the cafl list and found 465> hits candida, yeast, some parasites, fungus, and ebv. in '05 i tested> significantly for ebv. dr said something about, chronic, current, acute,

> past,-- 3 of these 4 i think, can't remember.> > so did i suddenly herx for ebv and not just candida? why now and not> before?> > or- did i just hit a big load of candida? anyone else herx like this for

> candida?> > or- did i hit a parasite? why now? because my symptoms have been> consistent for over 10 yrs. nothing new.> > anyone have any suggestions?> > thanks>

> barbara>

April 4, 2012

HI ,do you know about the new way to take MMS . i thelped me increase from 1 or two drops a day to 6,

I was stucked and in two weeks I was at six

it is ti activate let say one drop to began with then to add on litter of water to it with 1/8of a tea spoon of bicarbonate ofd sodium. then you drink a little bit every hour over a 10 to 12 h period . Th ebody tolerate it much better and detox better too

at least for me ,

KIndly Marie

To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:24 AMSubject: Re: coiling for candida big herx

Buhner came up with another herb for babesia/bartonella called Sida Acuta.

..have you tried herbs to improve your immune system and stabilize it, like rhodiola, eleuthero, ashwaganda,suma .holy basil ,Maca, DIM?

jan

Re: coiling for candida big herx Posted by: "Barbara Pierce" gmaoceans@... gmaoceans Date: Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:26 am ((PDT))thanks marie,i have been consuming mms for quite a while now, which i think has helpedmy ability to eat. i have

used it on the skin also. however, when i useda few drops daily for about 3 days my symptoms of pain, sweating, nauseaand feeling sick increased. i assume a herx of killing a lot of bugs. so,now i can only apply 1 drop every few days to keep the herx at a minimum.my sweating is not just a herx type symptom. it is part of an 'attack' iget every 30 min, on schedule, 24/7 for the last 10+ yrs. anxiety, airhunger, nausea, heart racing/pounding and

profuse sweating, with chills inbetween the attacks. during these attacks i sometimes feel i won't make itthrough them and have a panicky urgency to lay down. most times it is alsoaccompanied with the urgency to drink water--i think to help to cool myinsides down. these symptoms all seem to be the result of killing thesebugs, as they increase with treatment, yet never quit even after the herx,just return to the old normal. eating anything will also trigger the attacksymptoms. over 25 drs of various specialties don't know what it is aswell as no one here has heard of.

"Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

April 4, 2012

thanks jan,interesting. i'll look into it.marie,i think my main problem in increasing the mms is remembering to take it. having it already mixed and sitting there would help. but i don't understand how the effectiveness of the mms can sustain sitting mixed for so long. i thought it only remained active for two hours then changed to salt in our system. so how can it remain active for 10-12 hrs. in a container?

barbara

HI ,do you know about the new way to take MMS . i thelped me increase from 1 or two drops a day to 6,

I was stucked and in two weeks I was at six

it is ti activate let say one drop to began with then to add on litter of water to it with 1/8of a tea spoon of bicarbonate ofd sodium. then you drink a little bit every hour over a 10 to 12 h period . Th ebody tolerate it much better and detox better too

at least for me ,

KIndly Marie

To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >

Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:24 AMSubject: Re: coiling for candida big herx

Buhner came up with another herb for babesia/bartonella called Sida Acuta.

..have you tried herbs to improve your immune system and stabilize it, like rhodiola, eleuthero, ashwaganda,suma .holy basil ,Maca, DIM?

jan

Re: coiling for candida big herx Posted by: " Barbara Pierce " gmaoceans@... gmaoceans

Date: Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:26 am ((PDT))thanks marie,

i have been consuming mms for quite a while now, which i think has helpedmy ability to eat. i have

used it on the skin also. however, when i useda few drops daily for about 3 days my symptoms of pain, sweating, nausea

and feeling sick increased. i assume a herx of killing a lot of bugs. so,now i can only apply 1 drop every few days to keep the herx at a minimum.

my sweating is not just a herx type symptom. it is part of an 'attack' iget every 30 min, on schedule, 24/7 for the last 10+ yrs. anxiety, air

hunger, nausea, heart racing/pounding and

profuse sweating, with chills inbetween the attacks. during these attacks i sometimes feel i won't make it

through them and have a panicky urgency to lay down. most times it is alsoaccompanied with the urgency to drink water--i think to help to cool my

insides down. these symptoms all seem to be the result of killing thesebugs, as they increase with treatment, yet never quit even after the herx,

just return to the old normal. eating anything will also trigger the attacksymptoms. over 25 drs of various specialties don't know what it is as

well as no one here has heard of.

" Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller

April 4, 2012

thanks susan,actually i had ramped up to at least 10 min.. in the past i had done maybe 5 min. on the gut area each time. then i did at least 10, followed by about 6, with a spacing of about 5-6 days between the 10 and 6 min. so, i gather, i coiled long enough to catch something good. i really think i got something besides candida.

i was going to try and treat e.b v. anyway, as tests showed i had a lot of it. so, i may just continue with this freq. as whatever i hid needs to be killed. also, i was going to start lyme, as i have been stuck/plateaued with bart/babs for over 2 yrs. and we were hoping getting the lyme down, it may allow me to get more bart/babs. i want to get lyme because of the immobility problem i have. so maybe work on lyme, and in between do the 465 for whatever i got, and if it be ebv. great. it has to go also.

thanks for your input. i really appreciate hearing from someone who has had a hard herx with candida. barbara

Hi Barbara,

In my experience, Candida can create a nasty herx as bad as any of my Lyme herxing has ever been. It could be that you needed to run the coil longer to kill the fungus. Each organism is different in length of time it may take to kill it. You also may have caused an Epstein Barr herx. The way to find out, you might look on the CAFL and find another frequency that addresses Candida and try that and ramp up to five minutes. If you get the same type of herx then you know it was from Candida or, you could find another frequency for Epstein Barr and run that and see if the herx is similar. You might have to experiment until you figure out which organism you killed.