Re: Re: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

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You are the lucky one as others are not so lucky with implants ,

I know a person who struggled since she had several implant an dmy dentist told me that elderly they want implant they spend a fortune on implants then they dye after .

She would not do an implant unless exceptional circonstancies

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 5:25 PMSubject: Re: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

I feel oddly "lucky" these days that 2 root canals failed, so they had to pull the teeth. I have one root canal left that seems to be "stable".When I got the implant for the molar, they explained to me that the issue was the amount of healthy bone available for the implant to anchor into...more of a bone issue than a gum issue. (I have recession problems with my lower gums, but there was enough healthy bone for the metal to bite into.) The implant has been fabulous, but the cost is off the charts...the gum surgery and then the cap. If you're near a teaching hospital they often have arrangements where a fellow can do the surgery under the supervision of the surgeon for a greatly reduced cost, which is still not cheap.Once the tooth is pulled, the issue is with nearby teeth starting to move and with gradual bone loss where the tooth used to be. As if we didn't have enough other things to worry about... ;-}Best

regards,Fifi> >> > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not. This is a really, really

tough decision. > > > > Have you done it or do you know someone who did? > > > > Did it make a difference?> >>

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A little at the most Steelh c The harder you work the luckier you get!

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 5:32 PM Subject: Re: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

Hi - Did you notice any health changes after this?

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> I can say is in one of them I had pain, and since then the pain went away

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> put a root canal in between 2 teeth w/amalgams in them, and the root canal

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> w/o metals in it and I am fine. The metals were reacting to each other.

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yes but she had 20 hg fillings too & is a dental assistant for a dr. who used hg fillings.listen to this

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To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 2:16 PM Subject: Re: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

Hi - how you doing?did your wife feel any difference? Any changes?>> my wife had hers removed====no one should have a root canal> roger> > > > ________________________________> > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 2:04 PM> Subject: OT: Have you had root canals removed?> > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not. This is a really, really tough decision. > > Have you done it or do you know someone who did? > > Did it make a

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Fifi,what did they do  to remove the root canal?  did they just replace it with new material?  i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't just leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead.  in those days, we never heard of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and replacing it with new filler.  is this what they did.  the only other option would be to remove the tooth.

barbara

 

Fifi,

That's very good to hear that you had hardly any pain, as hard as it is to believe. I wonder if you had not wanted to take antibiotics (which I don't think I would because of the lyme), would you have been able to take something else, like silver or mms or olive leaf? It's probably up to the dentist. It's just that most of them are not too up on alternatives to antibiotics. It's something I'd have to ask before I had any work done. Thanks for your input.

Susie

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> > > > I'm trying to decide the same thing so I'll be glad to hear from others. The only problem is I don't know if my gums are good enough to anchor an implant, because if I have one of my root canals out, I won't have anything to chew on. So that's a big decision because implants open up a whole other can of worms with possible problems. Comments?

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fifi,so sorry you lost them.  are you saying they redid them and then pulled them, or did they pull after the first rt canal?  one thing about the pain that i learned from experience as well as working in the dental field.  i had a lower, left molar that was hurting.  had a large filling--mercury of course in those days.  removed the filling and found it was into the nerve so did a rt canal.  still hurt.  what we found is that the root was cracked.  i grind my teeth, which i would assume most here do.  when we grind on our back teeth, the amount of pressure we put on those teeth is amazing, but we don't realize it.  so, when we grind at night, that repeated pressure can actually crack them.  that is why is a very good idea to wear a night guard every night.

when you get a rt canal, you have to have a crown.  the tooth is dead and can lose integrity without it.  the pain i had after the rt canal and before the crown was caused when i bit down--only.  because there is no feeling in the dead tooth, it was not the tooth that was hurting, but the surrounding tissue.  when biting down on a cracked tooth, the pressure causes the root to expand just enough to irritate the surrounding tissues, interpreted as 'the tooth is still hurting.'

so he decided we had to pull it, no other way.  as he was pulling it, it shattered.  it took him over an hour to 'dig' it out, piece by piece.  had to remove some bone also, as those roots go deeply into small pockets. he said the best way to handle the kind of pain that was coming was to sleep through it.  i had some good drugs for the next couple days.  

not sure if your teeth had cracked or not.  a small hairline crack may not necessarily shatter it.  doesn't sound like it did, glad.  people with fibro, probably lyme, have a lot of tooth pain that is not related to any problem with the teeth.  that is just the nature of the beast.  a dentist my niece worked for told me he had a patient who came in (she had fibro) and wanted root canals in 8 teeth that were hurting her.  there was nothing wrong with the teeth at all, and he didn't want to do it.  costly, and the tooth, a dead tooth now, is never the same. 

 so, for anyone having tooth pain, it may not be the tooth.  it may be tissues, bone, or whatever the disease is targeting.  so, weight very carefully what you choose to do.  

make sure the tooth is decayed into the nerve before you consent to a rt canal and crown or extraction.   i would ask to see the x ray and have it explained to you. they make lots of $ on rt canals and crowns.  maybe a second opinion if that is available to you.    if it is borderline, maybe have the dentist coat the nerve, get a temporary white filling to see if the tooth will make it. give it plenty of time to calm down also.  sometimes of course, it may be too far into the nerve to save.

if you choose a rt. canal (and crown), which many are not doing now, but if you do, make sure they take it to the apex, the very end of the root.  some dentists feel the tooth does better if they leave a little nerve into the apex, but what happens is it may abscess there, or cause other problems.  that is why many are having trouble.  

anyway, something to consider with your tooth pain.  it may not be your tooth.barbara

 

Hi, Barbara -

They ended up yanking the teeth in both cases. I was so upset at the time...especially after sitting through the root canals...but in retrospect, perhaps it was for the best. They continued to hurt after the root canals, and in addition to the pain, I had a very bad vibe about the work that was done. Just didn't feel right.

I was self-employed at the time and going to a dental school in town. Could have been that they weren't very skilled or perhaps I waited too long for care, but that leaves me with one remaining root canal that I'd like to think is stable and not contributing to my health issues.

Best -

Fifi

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> Fifi,

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> what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just replace it with

> new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't just

> leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we never heard

> of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and replacing it

> with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option would be to

> remove the tooth.

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> barbara

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Susie,i'm over my head with the ozone treatments.  they didn't have such when i was in dentistry.  speaking just for myself, and i know many will probably disagree, but if i were faced with pulling or rt canal, i would probably go rt canal.  i agree that there is a down side to this, but i'm not convinced they are all bad.  again, that is just for me.

sounds like you have a lot going on and several dentists telling you different things.  as far as your tooth still hurting, sometimes if there was decay into the dentin and real close to the nerve, it can take many months for the pain to calm down. so give it some time and don't panic about the sensitivity.  the tooth went through a lot of trauma so takes some time to heal. 

 also, i probably need to clarify what i said about pain when biting down.  if the tooth is dead and you get pain when biting down, yes, good chance of a crack.  but, a tooth in trauma, cavity, new filling, crown, may also hurt from added trauma of biting down on it.  another thing that will cause pain when biting down is a high spot on the filling or crown.  this happens a lot.  the dentist should always test it with carbon paper but sometimes a little high spot will slip by.  slide your teeth back and forth to see if you feel one. it may give you more pain in a certain spot, or stop the ease of sliding back and forth.  have them recheck for a high spot.  it is amazing what a little difference in your bite will affect everything.  and that high spot puts a lot of trauma on an already sensitive, recovering tooth.

susie, what condition are your teeth in?  lots of fillings that could be leaking?  if there are no leaking fillings, old known cavities or new cavities, with so many teeth hurting, it could possibly be this crazy syndrome of aching teeth that comes with fibro, lyme etc.  i have had so many teeth checked because of this that i finally realized it is not the teeth.  also, that dentist said the same thing about fibro--aching teeth. of course, you always want to make sure there isn't a real problem going on.  again, have the teeth checked and if no leaks,new or old cavities, it may just be that syndrome.  again, that is what it has been for me.  i don't want to have you avoid needed attention to your teeth.

sounds like you feel you have had enough ozone treatments.  i'm not educated in this area so can't really add info here.  did they do anything about the strep and staph infections?  abx?  how did they know about these infections?  did you ever see the x rays yourself on possible problems?

i hear your panic and really understand.  been there so many times.  and our teeth are so permanent, or so we hope.  so go slow on these decisions.  it feels like your mouth is 'out of control' just like we all feel the lyme is out of control and what are we going to do next.  we get so overwhelmed with treatments, what is best, this is bad, add this, don't do this, take this with food, without food, 2 hrs before food, etc.  and then, we still have the same symptoms, or sometimes worse.  will this ever go away.  i am the biggest panicker there is in this area.  but i have learned through the yrs not to panic on the teeth thing.  

again, make sure nothing new or old in cavities and leaky fillings.  give a new crown or filling a chance to calm down, or check for high spots. if nothing decaying, it may just be 'achy teeth syndrome.'  move slow on decisions.  if there is a crack, there is nothing you can do about it and you will eventually lose the tooth, so waiting to see is the best you can do now anyway.  and it may not turn out to be that.  so take care of the obvious, wait on the unknown stuff to see if it just maintains it's current level or decreases. if it escalates, then pursue treatment, one area at a time. relax and don't panic.

hope this helped.  let me know if you need to panic again.  i am always panicking here and others step in to calm me down.  i am just grateful to be able to give back what ever i can.

barbara  

 

Barbara,

I know root canals are bad to do, but what if you have a biological dentist that says he would use ozone treatments during the root canal. Is that a better chance of having a safer(?)root canal or should they not be done under any circumstances? I am facing another possible root canal & need to know what to do. One of my upper molars which was 9/10 mercury (hardly any tooth left at all) finally started hurting when I would bite down a certain way on something hard. One holistic dentist said it was probably cracked, an endodontist said a possible root canal. Then my current biological dentist said there was decay (I was not told that by the other dentist). Anyway, since the tooth was practically all mercury, he took out the decay & had to crown it. Instantly, I started having some pain in the tooth but he gave me ozone shots & that pain went away, but I still have the pain when I bite down on something hard. I'm afraid he's going to want to do a root canal on it & I don't know what to do. They don't seem to be able to determine if there is a crack anywhere. I even had the panoramic xray which showed I have 2 cavitations on both lower sides. I have about 6 other teeth that are also giving me various problems & he just keeps giving me ozone shots. The dentist sent me to an EDS practitioner who tested me & said I had 2 teeth with bad infections (staph & strep) & I also had a strong Borrelia infection. After my next ozone shots, I have to go back to this guy & get retested to see if the infections are gone or lessened. But I can't keep getting ozone shots, I feel like a pin cushion already. I also don't know if I'm supposed to try & rife for these infections or just keep rifing on freqs 432, 800 4328 & 10K, which is what I'm currently doing. Do you have any suggestions as to what I should ask about the root canal being ok with ozone? Thanks.

Susie

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> > > what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just replace it with

> > > new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't just

> > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we never

> > heard

> > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and replacing it

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hi,well, if you had the problem prior to restoration procedures, it may not be a high spot.  another option, i repeat option as i don't know for sure, could be if you grind your teeth at night, they can be very sensitive from it.  do you grind?  do you have a night guard?  walmart has some that aren't expensive compared to what the dentist will charge.  although his will fit better if your insurance will cover it.  sometimes they do if the diagnosis is 'bruxing'. when we grind we put a lot of pressure on the teeth.  that constant trauma maybe why they ache.??  that might be something to try and see if it helps with the pain.  worth a try anyway.  and this is all about trial and error with so many things going on.

most of what we deal with today in the problems you are dealing with and the technology they are using etc., we never dealt with 40+ yrs ago when i was in dentistry.  i looked up cavitations and found this site.  interesting. http://www.cdchealth.com/healingdentalcavitations.html

it may or may not answer some questions for you.  according to this, they do have a way to treat the cavitations.  but, whether you get a rt canal or an extraction from decays/damaged teeth, there is a further risk of problems.  the best thing is to never get cavities--right!!!

sorry if i misread your feelings about being panicky.  actually, i would and was panicky with all the dental pain in the beginning.  and i didn't know what you know about the rt canals etc.  but you have every right to be frustrated.  you have so much going on, with no answers.  or so many suggestions from several dentist is almost worse, as which do you follow?  yet, still no answers.  crazy.

ask about the night guard and give it a try for the pain in all the teeth.  i know if i don't use mine my teeth hurt.  it really saves them, and can prevent cracking more teeth as the pressure is more evenly distributed and not on one spot. there is also a cushion with it. 

  also, depending on our bite, when we grind, our teeth can get locked in one position putting more pressure on our jaw, creating aching.  if the teeth slide  it is better.  although, sliding without a night guard will grind the teeth down.  on my right side on the lower front you can see these teeth are lower because of my grinding unevenly.  a night guard protects the teeth from grinding down, preventing an uneven bite and even more problems.  wish i knew this years ago before the damage was done. and grinding can come from some of the cos.  

sorry i can't be of more help.  it has been a while since i was in the field.  let me know if you get any help from any of this, or maybe share what you find out.  and hang in there and take it one thing at a time.  i know that sounds lame, but it is the only way to get through it.  

barbara

 

Barbara,

I will definitely ask the dentist to check the crown again for any high spots, but I had the biting-down issue even BEFORE he removed the mercury & crowned it. I thought all that work would eliminate the problem, but there it still is. Not as bad as before, but pain nonetheless. I don't know if I have any leaking fillings, only the dentist would know that. I can ask him to check that too. The ozone shots were supposed to help with the staph & strep infections. The dentist sent me to a practitioner who specialized in EDS (electro dermal screening) & he told me through his computer about these infections. I did ask my dentist to show me the panoramic xray & he showed me the cavitations. It's just that even if the ozone shots helped with cavitations, there's really no way to check other than getting xrayed again & I'm not going to keep doing that. Do you know how one would determine if cavitations are gotten rid of? I didn't realize I sounded panicky but I'm getting hit with so much stuff at one time, I just don't know how to deal with it all. It's so hard to believe that so many teeth can hurt, but maybe some of it is from the lyme. It would be so nice to be able to resolve these things & be able to move on, but I can see it's not going to be that way. I really appreciate the time you took to explain things to me & thank you very much.

Susie

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> > > > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we never

> > > > heard

> > > > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and

> > replacing it

> > > > > with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option would

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Susie,it is amazing how we actually do grind even while not quite sleeping.  i find myself 'clenching' my teeth even during the day.  a night guard may be something different than the mouth guard you are talking about.  what i'm talking about is something that fits snug on your bottom teeth, separating the top and bottom, with nothing connecting the two.

 you might be talking about something they use in connection with braces that are meant to adjust your bite.  different things, so don't worry about adjusting and making problems with tmj.  if you do decide to do this and you have insurance and want the dentist to make it, instead of buying one that you make to fit your mouth, make sure he puts 'bruxing' as the dx.  i was told at my dentist that is what the ins. will pay on.  but ask to make sure.

i don't know if it will make a difference for you or not.  the aching teeth thing is very illusive and most dentist have a real hard time trying to figure out what is going on.  there is usually nothing they can see and dx.  kind of like lyme if test neg.  but it is real and very uncomfortable when you have it.  if the dentist can't find anything on film or exam, and the pain seems to be everywhere and no where, and here and there, often it is just that achy teeth thing.  

but make sure it is nothing before giving up with dr. appts.  don't want to miss a real problem.barbara

 

Barbara,

I don't think I grind my teeth at night, I'm awake so often who has time to grind? Doesn't a mouth guard pull your jaw out of place (does it pull your bottom jaw forward)? That's what I thought they did & didn't want to start any other problems, like a tmj thing going on. But if it doesn't pull the jaw out of place, I could try it. Thanks for taking the time to post the cavitation website. I will look at. Thanks for the info.

Susie

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