Re: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

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my wife had hers removed====no one should have a root canalroger To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not. This is a really, really tough decision. Have you done it or do you know someone who did? Did it make a difference?------------------------------------If your post is not about electronic devices used in the treatment of Lyme then please put an OT: in the subject line. -------------------------------

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Hi - how you doing?

did your wife feel any difference? Any changes?

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> my wife had hers removed====no one should have a root canal

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> I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not.

This is a really, really tough decision.

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> Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

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> Did it make a difference?

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I am facing the same decision. I have one root canal that was put in when the

dentist told me we were close to the nerve during crown placement. I didn't even

have an infection!

I would never have agreed to it being put in had I known then what I know now.

If I had it pulled, I would really like ot have an implant put in, but I hear

they are not great either!

Are you thinking of an implant or bridge?

Sue

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Yes i had two removed and 7 silver filling..This was done in one dentist appointment...Took about 8 hours....I was sedated :)Next morning i had a little headache that was it...One of my root canals was full of bacteria when they pulled it out..... Steelh c The harder you work the luckier you get! To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 4:27 PM Subject: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

I've had some removed, only positive

I can say is in one of them I had pain, and since then the pain went away

(I had an implant put in that one because it was a front tooth). I

had my amalgams all replaced by a biologic dentist and the metal taste

I had went away, as well as the galvanic problem that I had. They

put a root canal in between 2 teeth w/amalgams in them, and the root canal

had some metal materials in it, every time I used my cell phone on the

right side of my head it hurt, every time I used a metal utensil and it

touched any 3 of those teeth, I actually got a shock!!! I ran from

dentist to dentist and they all acted like I was crazy, the biologic dentist

is the one that pointed it out, and replaced the amalgams w/a new filling

w/o metals in it and I am fine. The metals were reacting to each other.

From:

"Whitmore"

To:

Lyme_and_Rife

Date:

04/09/2012 03:57 PM

Subject:

Re: OT: Have you had

root canals removed?

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Lyme_and_Rife

I am facing the same decision. I have one root canal that

was put in when the dentist told me we were close to the nerve during crown

placement. I didn't even have an infection!

I would never have agreed to it being put in had I known then what I know

now.

If I had it pulled, I would really like ot have an implant put in, but

I hear they are not great either!

Are you thinking of an implant or bridge?

Sue

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I'm trying to decide the same thing so I'll be glad to hear from others. The

only problem is I don't know if my gums are good enough to anchor an implant,

because if I have one of my root canals out, I won't have anything to chew on.

So that's a big decision because implants open up a whole other can of worms

with possible problems. Comments?

Susie

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> I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not.

This is a really, really tough decision.

>

> Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

>

> Did it make a difference?

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I feel oddly " lucky " these days that 2 root canals failed, so they had to pull

the teeth. I have one root canal left that seems to be " stable " .

When I got the implant for the molar, they explained to me that the issue was

the amount of healthy bone available for the implant to anchor into...more of a

bone issue than a gum issue. (I have recession problems with my lower gums, but

there was enough healthy bone for the metal to bite into.)

The implant has been fabulous, but the cost is off the charts...the gum surgery

and then the cap. If you're near a teaching hospital they often have

arrangements where a fellow can do the surgery under the supervision of the

surgeon for a greatly reduced cost, which is still not cheap.

Once the tooth is pulled, the issue is with nearby teeth starting to move and

with gradual bone loss where the tooth used to be. As if we didn't have enough

other things to worry about... ;-}

Best regards,

Fifi

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> > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not.

This is a really, really tough decision.

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> > Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

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> > Did it make a difference?

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[Guest guest]

Hi - Did you notice any health changes after this?

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> Yes i had two removed and 7 silver filling..This was done in one dentist

appointment...Took about 8 hours....I was sedated

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> Next morning i had a little headache that was it...One of my root canals was

full of bacteria when they pulled it out.....

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> Steel

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> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 4:27 PM

> Subject: OT: Have you had root canals removed?

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> I've had some removed, only positive

> I can say is in one of them I had pain, and since then the pain went away

> (I had an implant put in that one because it was a front tooth).  I

> had my amalgams all replaced by a biologic dentist and the metal taste

> I had went away, as well as the galvanic problem that I had.  They

> put a root canal in between 2 teeth w/amalgams in them, and the root canal

> had some metal materials in it, every time I used my cell phone on the

> right side of my head it hurt, every time I used a metal utensil and it

> touched any 3 of those teeth, I actually got a shock!!!  I ran from

> dentist to dentist and they all acted like I was crazy, the biologic dentist

> is the one that pointed it out, and replaced the amalgams w/a new filling

> w/o metals in it and I am fine. The metals were reacting to each other.

>

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> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> Date: 04/09/2012 03:57 PM

> Subject: Re: OT: Have you had

> root canals removed?

> Sent by: Lyme_and_Rife

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> I am facing the same decision. I have one root canal that

> was put in when the dentist told me we were close to the nerve during crown

> placement. I didn't even have an infection!

>

> I would never have agreed to it being put in had I known then what I know

> now.

>

> If I had it pulled, I would really like ot have an implant put in, but

> I hear they are not great either!

>

> Are you thinking of an implant or bridge?

>

> Sue

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Did you feel any health changes after removing the root canals?

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> > > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or

not. This is a really, really tough decision.

> > >

> > > Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

> > >

> > > Did it make a difference?

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

It's complicated for me because I have to wear a TMJ biteguard at all times

except if I'm eating. So my tmj doc will put a fake tooth into the bite guard,

but when I take it off to eat, I'll be missing a front bottom tooth. Not ideal.

But I would definitely choose a partial. That's removable, and won't traumatize

other teeth like a bridge would, and won't brink more risk like an implant

would. It's not as convenient but it's safer.

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> I am facing the same decision. I have one root canal that was put in when the

dentist told me we were close to the nerve during crown placement. I didn't even

have an infection!

>

> I would never have agreed to it being put in had I known then what I know now.

>

> If I had it pulled, I would really like ot have an implant put in, but I hear

they are not great either!

>

> Are you thinking of an implant or bridge?

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

,

It's on the lower left, 3rd molar from the back, but it's the only molar because

the 2 behind it are missing. The one next to it I just had a crown put on &

have had trouble with it since because the cavity was close to the nerve. I've

had ozone shots in the area & are due for more if I can even make it to the

dentist. The root canal tooth hurts at times like a toothache, but it seems

better since the shots. The one next to it was very sensitive to cold & it has

gotten somewhat better, but the dentist told me I have a cavitation on that side

& also on the lower right side, so I have no idea if the ozone shots helped that

problem. I have about 6 or 7 teeth that have various problems (cold

sensitivity, hurting when biting down on hard items) that have just been treated

with ozone. I'm afraid to have another root canal because I'm having problems

with older root canals now. I have to see the dentist in a few weeks for more

shots. I'll see what he says then.

Susie

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> > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or

> not. This is a really, really tough decision.

> >

> > Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

> >

> > Did it make a difference?

> >

>

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Fifi,

Was there alot of pain when the implant is put in (after the novocaine wore

off)? How long did it take for the entire process from beginning to where your

implant finally was comfortable & safe to chew on?

Susie

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> > > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or

not. This is a really, really tough decision.

> > >

> > > Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

> > >

> > > Did it make a difference?

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

Your brushing with MMS will clean up any infections in your mouth and gums... So

if you are

thinking of implants, you will at least be starting from a very clean mouth!!

Take care

Jim

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> > I'm trying to make the decision about whether to pull my root canals or not.

This is a really, really tough decision.

> >

> > Have you done it or do you know someone who did?

> >

> > Did it make a difference?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Susie -

I was shocked how little pain there was, but these folks were very skilled.

Never used the pain meds they gave me; did follow the course of antibiotics. I

know it's different for every person, depending on the condition of the bone and

the skill of the dental surgeon, but if I had the money, I'd get the other one

done in a heartbeat if they felt the conditions were the same.

Best -

Fifi

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> > > I'm trying to decide the same thing so I'll be glad to hear from others.

The only problem is I don't know if my gums are good enough to anchor an

implant, because if I have one of my root canals out, I won't have anything to

chew on. So that's a big decision because implants open up a whole other can of

worms with possible problems. Comments?

> > >

> > > Susie

[Guest guest]

Fifi,

That's very good to hear that you had hardly any pain, as hard as it is to

believe. I wonder if you had not wanted to take antibiotics (which I don't

think I would because of the lyme), would you have been able to take something

else, like silver or mms or olive leaf? It's probably up to the dentist. It's

just that most of them are not too up on alternatives to antibiotics. It's

something I'd have to ask before I had any work done. Thanks for your input.

Susie

> > > >

> > > > I'm trying to decide the same thing so I'll be glad to hear from others.

The only problem is I don't know if my gums are good enough to anchor an

implant, because if I have one of my root canals out, I won't have anything to

chew on. So that's a big decision because implants open up a whole other can of

worms with possible problems. Comments?

> > > >

> > > > Susie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Barbara -

They ended up yanking the teeth in both cases. I was so upset at the

time...especially after sitting through the root canals...but in retrospect,

perhaps it was for the best. They continued to hurt after the root canals, and

in addition to the pain, I had a very bad vibe about the work that was done.

Just didn't feel right.

I was self-employed at the time and going to a dental school in town. Could have

been that they weren't very skilled or perhaps I waited too long for care, but

that leaves me with one remaining root canal that I'd like to think is stable

and not contributing to my health issues.

Best -

Fifi

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> Fifi,

>

> what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just replace it with

> new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't just

> leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we never heard

> of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and replacing it

> with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option would be to

> remove the tooth.

>

> barbara

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

I know root canals are bad to do, but what if you have a biological dentist that

says he would use ozone treatments during the root canal. Is that a better

chance of having a safer(?)root canal or should they not be done under any

circumstances? I am facing another possible root canal & need to know what to

do. One of my upper molars which was 9/10 mercury (hardly any tooth left at

all) finally started hurting when I would bite down a certain way on something

hard. One holistic dentist said it was probably cracked, an endodontist said a

possible root canal. Then my current biological dentist said there was decay (I

was not told that by the other dentist). Anyway, since the tooth was

practically all mercury, he took out the decay & had to crown it. Instantly, I

started having some pain in the tooth but he gave me ozone shots & that pain

went away, but I still have the pain when I bite down on something hard. I'm

afraid he's going to want to do a root canal on it & I don't know what to do.

They don't seem to be able to determine if there is a crack anywhere. I even

had the panoramic xray which showed I have 2 cavitations on both lower sides. I

have about 6 other teeth that are also giving me various problems & he just

keeps giving me ozone shots. The dentist sent me to an EDS practitioner who

tested me & said I had 2 teeth with bad infections (staph & strep) & I also had

a strong Borrelia infection. After my next ozone shots, I have to go back to

this guy & get retested to see if the infections are gone or lessened. But I

can't keep getting ozone shots, I feel like a pin cushion already. I also don't

know if I'm supposed to try & rife for these infections or just keep rifing on

freqs 432, 800 4328 & 10K, which is what I'm currently doing. Do you have any

suggestions as to what I should ask about the root canal being ok with ozone?

Thanks.

Susie

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> > > Fifi,

> > >

> > > what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just replace it with

> > > new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't just

> > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we never

> > heard

> > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and replacing it

> > > with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option would be to

> > > remove the tooth.

> > >

> > > barbara

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

My root canal was just done in January with ozone. After it was done, I had

about two weeks where I felt better than I had in years. Less pain, more energy,

sleeping better, etc. Then it reversed and I was back in as much or more pain

than before in my joints, neck, jaw, etc. and just as fatigued. I got ozone

injections into the area around the tooth. Each time I'd get an injection I'd

feel better for a couple days, and then it would reverse.

I'm definitely improved in my health than just before the root canal - I had a

low grade fever and without a doubt it was effecting my immune system. But I'm

not as good as I was for those two weeks.

I feel that I tried the ozone, but I believe there could be infection in my jaw

and surrounding tissues despite the ozone.

I could be totally wrong. I realize it's possible that something has happened

here - like my immune system calmed down after the root canal but reactivated

because of lyme or something like that.

But at this point I'm scheduled to pull the tooth with my biologic dentist. I'm

not happy about this, but I feel I have to take a chance that this could help my

immune system and help my health to improve.

What makes it more challenging is that I have severe TMJ and must wear a bite

guard 24 hours a day except when eating. The tooth is in the front/bottom, and I

can't fit a partial under it. The TMJ doc can put a tooth in my bite guard, but

when I take it out to eat I'll be missing a front tooth. Very embarrassing. I

wonder if that Nesbit single tooth thing could fit under it. It's a long shot

but I'll ask.

Anyway if anyone has some feedback on my theories and decision I'd appreciate

the input.

Angie

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> > > > > > Fifi,

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> > > > > > what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just replace it

> > > with

> > > > > > new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't

> > > just

> > > > > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we never

> > > > > heard

> > > > > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and

> > > replacing it

> > > > > > with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option would

> > > be to

> > > > > > remove the tooth.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > barbara

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[Guest guest]

Barbara,

I don't think I grind my teeth at night, I'm awake so often who has time to

grind? Doesn't a mouth guard pull your jaw out of place (does it pull your

bottom jaw forward)? That's what I thought they did & didn't want to start any

other problems, like a tmj thing going on. But if it doesn't pull the jaw out

of place, I could try it. Thanks for taking the time to post the cavitation

website. I will look at. Thanks for the info.

Susie

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> > > > > > > Fifi,

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> > > > > > > what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just replace

> > it

> > > > with

> > > > > > > new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they can't

> > > > just

> > > > > > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days, we

> > never

> > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and

> > > > replacing it

> > > > > > > with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option

> > would

> > > > be to

> > > > > > > remove the tooth.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > barbara

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[Guest guest]

Barbara,

I wouldn't mind trying a guard as long as it does not pull my jaw out of

alignment. I have lousy dental insurance & I'm sure they wouldn't pay much. I

will try to go to Walmart or the drug store to see if they have them & start

there. Thanks alot.

Susie

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> > > > > > > > > Fifi,

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> > > > > > > > > what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just

> > replace

> > > > it

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they

> > can't

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days,

> > we

> > > > never

> > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and

> > > > > > replacing it

> > > > > > > > > with new filler. is this what they did. the only other option

> > > > would

> > > > > > be to

> > > > > > > > > remove the tooth.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > barbara

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[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

WalMart used to sell (may still) a generic guard... I've used both a dentist

made

guard and the Walmart guard, both worked...

The guards are sold in the pharmacy area, probably where the tooth stuff is

sold.

They were about $20.

Take care,

Jim

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> > > > > > > > > > what did they do to remove the root canal? did they just

> > > replace

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > new material? i used to do dental assisting and i know they

> > > can't

> > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > leave the canal unfilled--the tooth is dead. in those days,

> > > we

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > of taking out a root canal, only cleaning the canal out and

> > > > > > > replacing it

> > > > > > > > > > with new filler. is this what they did. the only other

option

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > be to

> > > > > > > > > > remove the tooth.

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