Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

[Guest guest]

,

Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as far as it affecting his

atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a child with this problem).

Both of my sons react to soy on their food screens, but it only seems

to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said that soybean oil should

be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he thinks they are reacting to.

That seems to hold true with my son. But soy lecithin seems to be a trigger

for him.

Caroline G.

From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

here has their child have problems with soy. And if

so, is soybean oil acceptable?

[Guest guest]

We also have a soy reactor. Caroline, I'm

relieved to hear that your son reacts to soy

lecithin because my daughter does as well. It

hasn't been too hard to cut soy out until now

when Dr G wants her off of rice milk and only

gave soy based drinks as options. Can you cut

soy out for a bit of time and see if her behavior changes? Good luck,

At 07:27 AM 3/1/2009, you wrote:

>,

>

>Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as far as it affecting his

>atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a child with this problem).

>Both of my sons react to soy on their food screens, but it only seems

>to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said that soybean oil should

>be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he thinks they are reacting to.

>That seems to hold true with my son. But soy lecithin seems to be a trigger

>for him.

>

>Caroline G.

>

>From: Hankinson <<mailto:jlhank80%40>jlhank80@...>

>Reply-<<mailto:%40> >

>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

><<mailto:%40> >

>Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

>Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

>here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

>here has their child have problems with soy. And if

>so, is soybean oil acceptable?

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, you could try cutting soy out and see if it helps.

I have found that I can use canola oil instead of margarine in many recipes

(even rice Krispie Treats) and the result is not too bad. It is a little

drier but better tasting than using Crisco, which is also OK ingredient wise

(just has the soybean oil), but I don¹t like using the ³dangerous² type of

fat.

Caroline G.

From: and Daron Freedberg <mdfreedberg@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:41:06 -0500

< >

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

We also have a soy reactor. Caroline, I'm

relieved to hear that your son reacts to soy

lecithin because my daughter does as well. It

hasn't been too hard to cut soy out until now

when Dr G wants her off of rice milk and only

gave soy based drinks as options. Can you cut

soy out for a bit of time and see if her behavior changes? Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi, Caroline.

Can you describe your son's reaction to soy? What sort of behaviors do

you see? I'm having a lot of trouble with highly emotional, irritable

and irrational behavior from my oldest. We went off rice milk per Dr.

G and went to soy milk. He's been eating the soy toffutti cuties,

which are like ice cream sandwiches, with no problem. I switched him

from Allergra to Zyrtec, thinking that was the problem. It did get

better, but not completely.

Any insight would be appreciated.

All the best,

Robyn

>

> ,

>

> Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as far as it affecting

his

> atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a child with this

problem).

> Both of my sons react to soy on their food screens, but it only

seems

> to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said that soybean oil

should

> be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he thinks they are

reacting to.

> That seems to hold true with my son. But soy lecithin seems to be a

trigger

> for him.

>

> Caroline G.

>

>

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

> < >

> Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> here has their child have problems with soy. And if

> so, is soybean oil acceptable?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey -

I answered yes on soy problems before, and just wanted to second what other

people have already mentioned.  Soybean oil is fine because it does not have the

protein.  Soy lecithen is the worst, as well as hydrolyzed soy and other

soy-type ingredients other than oil.  There is another name for a soy ingredient

too that I can't remember that you might find in some packaged broths that you'd

want to watch out for as well.  Some kids who react to soy also react to malted

barley (in a lot of cereal), but one thing at a time! lol. (And I don't think it

is with as much irritability).

One positive on the soy reactions:  other than major mood problems, the

reactions (in my son's case at least) do not appear to be the type that sets

your kid back on the road to recovery (the way other allergens like milk and

berries etc can).  Maybe it's not an immune response, because my son can still

make the cognitive gains despite the misery the reaction brings to daily life. 

He is in a rotten mood this afternoon, and I think it's because his grandmother

gave him chocolate chips this morning - full of soy lecithen.

You'll also find that some things that have soy aren't as bad as others

(although initially I'd keep the diet clean).  For instance, the graham crackers

my son eats has soy lecithen but he can eat them almost every day and be fine,

and he can have some cookies that have it rather often but still be ok.  But

chocolate products and tv dinners, etc... those will set him off a lot worse. 

Maybe it's the amount.

HTH-

________________________________

From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:05:30 PM

Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

here has their child have problems with soy. And if

so, is soybean oil acceptable?

My daughter still has lots of bad days (behaviorally) .

And then a great one interspersed in between and I

have no idea why. I have eliminated many things that

seem to be culprits: chocolate, berries, eggs, yeast

but we still have loose stools again and much

irritability and nothing helps. However it seems like

antihistamines make it better but my daughter gets

really bad on those meds.

I am so discouraged. She is doing so well in a lot of

ways, she is talking so well, interacting, but her

behavior is so bad and I wouldn't wonder so much

except for those really good days we have once in a

while. She is hard to interact with on bad days

because she is so irritable. It is hard on my other

kids, too.

She seems like a kid who feels sick or icky. My other

NT kids act the way she does when they are sick too.

Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!

-

May the Lord bless you and keep you!

Visit my blog

http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

[Guest guest]

,

Are you talking about MSG?

Caroline G.

From: <thecolemans4@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:41:53 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

There is another name for a soy ingredient too that I can't remember that

you might find in some packaged broths that you'd want to watch out for as

well. 

[Guest guest]

Soy protein is almost identical to bovine protein, so if your child has

problems with casein they may have problems with soy.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

and Daron Freedberg

Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:41 AM

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

We also have a soy reactor. Caroline, I'm

relieved to hear that your son reacts to soy

lecithin because my daughter does as well. It

hasn't been too hard to cut soy out until now

when Dr G wants her off of rice milk and only

gave soy based drinks as options. Can you cut

soy out for a bit of time and see if her behavior changes? Good luck,

At 07:27 AM 3/1/2009, you wrote:

>,

>

>Soy seems to be a problem for one of my boys as far as it affecting his

>atiitude (and I know I¹m not the only one with a child with this problem).

>Both of my sons react to soy on their food screens, but it only seems

>to affect the one behaviorally. Dr. G told us said that soybean oil should

>be OK as it doesn¹t contain the protein that he thinks they are reacting

to.

>That seems to hold true with my son. But soy lecithin seems to be a trigger

>for him.

>

>Caroline G.

>

>From: Hankinson <<mailto:jlhank80%40>jlhank80@...

<mailto:jlhank80%40> >

>Reply-<<mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40> >

>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:05:30 -0800 (PST)

><<mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40> >

>Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

>Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

>here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

>here has their child have problems with soy. And if

>so, is soybean oil acceptable?

[Guest guest]

No, we're thankfully not too sensitive to that one ... I just don't have it in

my diet much anyway.   But I would die if I couldn't occasionally have some of

my favorite sushi, and one of those spicey rolls has some msg.

________________________________

From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@...>

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 7:09:43 PM

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

,

Are you talking about MSG?

Caroline G.

From: <thecolemans4>

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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:41:53 -0800 (PST)

<groups (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Soy question and good days/bad days

There is another name for a soy ingredient too that I can't remember that

you might find in some packaged broths that you'd want to watch out for as

well. 

[Guest guest]

,

Both and I can't take Antihistamines because we react to them. Dr. G

always wants him to take them but we just don't. Instead we use a nasal

spray like Beconase, Flonase or Naselnex. For us Beconase works best. Also

it is important to remember that due to lack of language sometimes it is

hard to tell what is a reaction and what is frustration. They know what

they want to say but can't express it. When I was raising my " normal "

daughter the worst time was when she was 12-18 months. She wanted to tell

me things but didn't know how to say the words yet,

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Remember all our kids work best for positive reinforcement. Learn to ignore

what they are doing wrong and praise or reward what they do correctly. I

know this is difficult with our kids, because most of what they do is

inappropriate. But find that one thing they do right during the course of

the day. It may be hard to find, but keep looking.

As far as eliminating undesirable behaviors, don't try to fix everything at

once. Pick the one thing they do that drives you out of your mind and only

work on eliminating that one behavior. When that is mastered, pick another.

Consistency and positive reinforcement are key. Reinforcement must be

immediate for all kids, especially children. They can't be rewarded at

the end of the day or given a prize at the end of a good week. A long time

ago Maurice told me to use what they love to reward.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more graham crackers. Boo Hoo!

The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have only been able to get the

eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why they were down that time

because I have not changed his basic diet. He occasionally gets

offending items when we eat out. So maybe we hadn't eaten out quite a

bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. I know it is so

important but we have been at it for 7 years now and have had so much

eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything else from my 12 year old

in puberty son who has basically had it with " I'm sorry you can't have

that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can hear him under his breath

saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored sound instead of saying

the word. THis is probably all good in terms of he becoming himself but

not so good in that he is way too frustrated with this diet. Jerri

>

> Hey -

> I answered yes on soy problems before, and just wanted to second what

> other people have already mentioned. Soybean oil is fine because it

> does not have the protein. Soy lecithen is the worst, as well as

> hydrolyzed soy and other soy-type ingredients other than oil. There

> is another name for a soy ingredient too that I can't remember that

> you might find in some packaged broths that you'd want to watch out

> for as well. Some kids who react to soy also react to malted barley

> (in a lot of cereal), but one thing at a time! lol. (And I don't think

> it is with as much irritability).

>

> One positive on the soy reactions: other than major mood problems,

> the reactions (in my son's case at least) do not appear to be the type

> that sets your kid back on the road to recovery (the way other

> allergens like milk and berries etc can). Maybe it's not an immune

> response, because my son can still make the cognitive gains despite

> the misery the reaction brings to daily life. He is in a rotten mood

> this afternoon, and I think it's because his grandmother gave him

> chocolate chips this morning - full of soy lecithen.

>

> You'll also find that some things that have soy aren't as bad as

> others (although initially I'd keep the diet clean). For instance,

> the graham crackers my son eats has soy lecithen but he can eat them

> almost every day and be fine, and he can have some cookies that have

> it rather often but still be ok. But chocolate products and tv

> dinners, etc... those will set him off a lot worse. Maybe it's the

> amount.

>

> HTH-

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40>>

> <mailto:%40>

> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:05:30 PM

> Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

>

> Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> here has their child have problems with soy. And if

> so, is soybean oil acceptable?

>

> My daughter still has lots of bad days (behaviorally) .

> And then a great one interspersed in between and I

> have no idea why. I have eliminated many things that

> seem to be culprits: chocolate, berries, eggs, yeast

> but we still have loose stools again and much

> irritability and nothing helps. However it seems like

> antihistamines make it better but my daughter gets

> really bad on those meds.

>

> I am so discouraged. She is doing so well in a lot of

> ways, she is talking so well, interacting, but her

> behavior is so bad and I wouldn't wonder so much

> except for those really good days we have once in a

> while. She is hard to interact with on bad days

> because she is so irritable. It is hard on my other

> kids, too.

>

> She seems like a kid who feels sick or icky. My other

> NT kids act the way she does when they are sick too.

>

> Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!

> -

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog

>

> http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

>

>

[Guest guest]

The diet is driving me nuts too. No more graham crackers, no more

cinnamon (which was probably the most devastating loss, next to Rice

Dream...)

This was so much easier when we started 6 years ago!

Donna

>

> Dr G eliminated graham flour for us. No more graham crackers. Boo Hoo!

> The diet is absolutely driving me nuts. I have only been able to get

the

> eosinophils to 2 one time. And I'm not sure why they were down that

time

> because I have not changed his basic diet. He occasionally gets

> offending items when we eat out. So maybe we hadn't eaten out quite a

> bit before the blood test. I don't know anymore. I know it is so

> important but we have been at it for 7 years now and have had so much

> eliminated. I can't bear to eliminate anything else from my 12 year old

> in puberty son who has basically had it with " I'm sorry you can't have

> that " Cuss words are so funny to him and I can hear him under his

breath

> saying " bleep you " He actually does the censored sound instead of

saying

> the word. THis is probably all good in terms of he becoming himself but

> not so good in that he is way too frustrated with this diet. Jerri

> >

> > Hey -

> > I answered yes on soy problems before, and just wanted to second what

> > other people have already mentioned. Soybean oil is fine because it

> > does not have the protein. Soy lecithen is the worst, as well as

> > hydrolyzed soy and other soy-type ingredients other than oil. There

> > is another name for a soy ingredient too that I can't remember that

> > you might find in some packaged broths that you'd want to watch out

> > for as well. Some kids who react to soy also react to malted barley

> > (in a lot of cereal), but one thing at a time! lol. (And I don't

think

> > it is with as much irritability).

> >

> > One positive on the soy reactions: other than major mood problems,

> > the reactions (in my son's case at least) do not appear to be the

type

> > that sets your kid back on the road to recovery (the way other

> > allergens like milk and berries etc can). Maybe it's not an immune

> > response, because my son can still make the cognitive gains despite

> > the misery the reaction brings to daily life. He is in a rotten mood

> > this afternoon, and I think it's because his grandmother gave him

> > chocolate chips this morning - full of soy lecithen.

> >

> > You'll also find that some things that have soy aren't as bad as

> > others (although initially I'd keep the diet clean). For instance,

> > the graham crackers my son eats has soy lecithen but he can eat them

> > almost every day and be fine, and he can have some cookies that have

> > it rather often but still be ok. But chocolate products and tv

> > dinners, etc... those will set him off a lot worse. Maybe it's the

> > amount.

> >

> > HTH-

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...

> > <mailto:jlhank80%40>>

> > <mailto:%40>

> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 9:05:30 PM

> > Subject: Soy question and good days/bad days

> >

> > Hi Listmates, I know I ask a lot of questions on

> > here...but I need help! I was wondering if anyone

> > here has their child have problems with soy. And if

> > so, is soybean oil acceptable?

> >

> > My daughter still has lots of bad days (behaviorally) .

> > And then a great one interspersed in between and I

> > have no idea why. I have eliminated many things that

> > seem to be culprits: chocolate, berries, eggs, yeast

> > but we still have loose stools again and much

> > irritability and nothing helps. However it seems like

> > antihistamines make it better but my daughter gets

> > really bad on those meds.

> >

> > I am so discouraged. She is doing so well in a lot of

> > ways, she is talking so well, interacting, but her

> > behavior is so bad and I wouldn't wonder so much

> > except for those really good days we have once in a

> > while. She is hard to interact with on bad days

> > because she is so irritable. It is hard on my other

> > kids, too.

> >

> > She seems like a kid who feels sick or icky. My other

> > NT kids act the way she does when they are sick too.

> >

> > Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!

> > -

> >

> > May the Lord bless you and keep you!

> >

> > Visit my blog

> >

> > http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

>

> why not cinnamon???

> -

>

It's highly allergenic. I've never noticed any reactions from it in my son, but

it's the kind of thing that can become a problem over time if it's eaten

frequently, I guess. I do have a friend whose son gets a terrible irritated red

ring around his mouth every time he has anything with cinnamon.

Donna