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My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the night we brought him home

from the hospital (2 days old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried

all night. The next morning we brought him in to the doctor's office. They

tried to get a urine sample, but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated.

They also did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to the hospital. It'd

been less than 24 hours since we went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a

blur to me) int he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had to fill-out a

vaccine reaction report for the " unknown viral infection " because of the

time-line from when the HepB was given but he said he didn't think that was the

reason.

Yeah, whatever.

My son never reacted to the other vaccines so obviously.

With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB (hospital/doctor staff is fine

with that once they know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg recommends with them and they

are doing fine.

- in Mobile, AL

______________________________________

" You must write for children in the same way as you do for adults, only better. "

-Maxim Gorky (Aleksey Maksimovich Peshkov)

Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

else have their children have severe reactions to

vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives all

over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

much! I figured we could restart them when she was

older.

Just curious. :)

-

--- <jrodrig6605@...> wrote:

> This sounds exactly of what our children have and we

> are working so

> hard to treat.

>

>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_disseminated_encephalomyelitis

>

> Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> immune mediated

> disease of the brain.[1][2][3] It usually occurs

> following a viral

> infection but may appear following vaccination,

> bacterial or parasitic

> infection, or even appear spontaneously.

>

> Thanks,

> JR

>

>

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My oldest reacted to the MMR - 2 wks later he had no more eye contact (for a

while) and stopped responding to his name.  He already had symptoms before that,

but it was then that I first said Oh my god what haave I done?  I had read of

the MMR controversy at the appt for his shot.  Two weeks is the point when

cellular immunity kicks in. 

Both boys developed mucousy diahrea 2 wks after each DTaP.  I didn't make the

connection until the 5th time (between 2 kids).  I developed severe

IBS after a tetnus shot.  My husband had his first onset of ulcerative colitis a

couple weeks after a tetanus booster, and my MIL was in the hospital a month

after a tetanus booster w/her worst bout of ulcerative colitis ever.  They

wanted to remove her colon.  I said no.  I said her shot triggered it.  She is

in remission now, w/her colon.

My second son reacted to the DTAP w/6 hrs of indescribable screaming, and after

I realized he had also been having seizures - but I couldn't imagine putting him

in the car to take him to the ER, and the pediatrician said sometimes this

happens, we'll just do the DT next time.  With the next DT, he screamed 8 hrs

even worse, clearly in horrible pain.  I swore off the rest for a while, begged

for waiver.  Finally, in 'good faith' I got him the polio thinking it was a mild

one, and he started losing gross motor skills almost immediately, going from a

sturdy gait to tipping over to the left and falling down.

No more vaccines ever for him, even when Dr G said it would now be ok for the

MMR.  I just couldn't. 

Big brother was ASD, had all of his scheduled vaccines except the 5 yr MMR

booster, and has mostly recovered on the protocol, is much brighter right now

than little brother.  #2 typically developed until a year off the protocol, and

then developed CFIDS and 5 yr old onset of asperger like symptoms. 

He didn't have all of the vaccines, started the protocol much sooner than his

brother (at 18 months, before he could regress), didn't have any asd symptoms

until age 5 after being off meds a year.

Dr G had always said he was lucky - his labs were worse than his big brother's. 

His brother responded best to the protocol w/HHV6 coming out of hiding, but

's never did, and he got sick again.

He didn't get nearly as many vaccines, but he is a lot sicker.  He looks it

too.  Garrrett looks healthy w/shiny hair and bright eyes, while has eye

circles, is pale, and his hair is dry and dull.  It is a stark comparison right

now. 

Fortunately, I've seen them both get well before, so I'm not completely losing

my mind as badly this time around.

Oh - most importantly...  Garrett got better after his MMR, and I forgot about

it for a while.  Then he got the flu, and his reaction to it was what

completely pushed him over the edge and that was when I finally understood that

he had autism.  That virus was a lot worse on him than the MMR vaccine was,

although being only months apart couldn't have helped either.  I wonder if I had

gottten the flu shot for him that year, if he would kept getting better like he

had been (until the next illness came along of course). 

________________________________

From: C. - Wonderwegian <carriecox@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:07:14 PM

Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the night we brought him home from

the hospital (2 days old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried all

night. The next morning we brought him in to the doctor's office. They tried to

get a urine sample, but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated. They also

did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to the hospital. It'd been less than

24 hours since we went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a blur to me) int

he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had to fill-out a vaccine reaction report

for the " unknown viral infection " because of the time-line from when the HepB

was given but he said he didn't think that was the reason.

Yeah, whatever.

My son never reacted to the other vaccines so obviously.

With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB (hospital/doctor staff is fine

with that once they know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg recommends with them and they

are doing fine.

- in Mobile, AL

____________ _________ _________ ________

" You must write for children in the same way as you do for adults, only better. "

-Maxim Gorky (Aleksey Maksimovich Peshkov)

Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

else have their children have severe reactions to

vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives all

over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

much! I figured we could restart them when she was

older.

Just curious. :)

-

--- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds exactly of what our children have and we

> are working so

> hard to treat.

>

>

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat ed_encephalomyel itis

>

> Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> immune mediated

> disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> following a viral

> infection but may appear following vaccination,

> bacterial or parasitic

> infection, or even appear spontaneously.

>

> Thanks,

> JR

>

>

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, Wow, this your story is interesting to

me...and I can relate because I, too, am scared to

vaccinate my kids. I have had 2 more and they are

unvaccinated and healthy, but they do suffer from

allergies. (my baby girl has environmental allergies

and my 2 year old has extreme allergies to mosquito

bites) Dr. told me we could vaccinate but I am

just so afraid. How could I live with myself if

something happened?

I have a question, why do you think your younger one

who received less vaccinations is sicker? He sounds

like my daughter has the dark under eye circles, pale

skin and dry hair, especially since she started the

Diflucan.

-

--- <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> My oldest reacted to the MMR - 2 wks later he had no

> more eye contact (for a while) and stopped

> responding to his name.  He already had symptoms

> before that, but it was then that I first said Oh my

> god what haave I done?  I had read of the MMR

> controversy at the appt for his shot.  Two weeks is

> the point when cellular immunity kicks in. 

> Both boys developed mucousy diahrea 2 wks after each

> DTaP.  I didn't make the connection until the 5th

> time (between 2 kids).  I developed severe

> IBS after a tetnus shot.  My husband had his first

> onset of ulcerative colitis a couple weeks after a

> tetanus booster, and my MIL was in the hospital a

> month after a tetanus booster w/her worst bout of

> ulcerative colitis ever.  They wanted to remove her

> colon.  I said no.  I said her shot triggered it. 

> She is in remission now, w/her colon.

> My second son reacted to the DTAP w/6 hrs of

> indescribable screaming, and after I realized he had

> also been having seizures - but I couldn't imagine

> putting him in the car to take him to the ER, and

> the pediatrician said sometimes this happens, we'll

> just do the DT next time.  With the next DT, he

> screamed 8 hrs even worse, clearly in horrible

> pain.  I swore off the rest for a while, begged for

> waiver.  Finally, in 'good faith' I got him the

> polio thinking it was a mild one, and he started

> losing gross motor skills almost immediately, going

> from a sturdy gait to tipping over to the left and

> falling down.

> No more vaccines ever for him, even when Dr G said

> it would now be ok for the MMR.  I just couldn't. 

> Big brother was ASD, had all of his scheduled

> vaccines except the 5 yr MMR booster, and has mostly

> recovered on the protocol, is much brighter right

> now than little brother.  #2 typically developed

> until a year off the protocol, and then developed

> CFIDS and 5 yr old onset of asperger like symptoms. 

>

> He didn't have all of the vaccines, started the

> protocol much sooner than his brother (at 18 months,

> before he could regress), didn't have any asd

> symptoms until age 5 after being off meds a year.

> Dr G had always said he was lucky - his labs were

> worse than his big brother's.  His brother responded

> best to the protocol w/HHV6 coming out of hiding,

> but 's never did, and he got sick again.

> He didn't get nearly as many vaccines, but he is a

> lot sicker.  He looks it too.  Garrrett looks

> healthy w/shiny hair and bright eyes, while

> has eye circles, is pale, and his hair is dry and

> dull.  It is a stark comparison right now. 

> Fortunately, I've seen them both get well before, so

> I'm not completely losing my mind as badly this time

> around.

> Oh - most importantly...  Garrett got better after

> his MMR, and I forgot about it for a while.  Then he

> got the flu, and his reaction to it was what

> completely pushed him over the edge and that was

> when I finally understood that he had autism.  That

> virus was a lot worse on him than the MMR

> vaccine was, although being only months apart

> couldn't have helped either.  I wonder if I had

> gottten the flu shot for him that year, if he

> would kept getting better like he had been (until

> the next illness came along of course). 

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: C. - Wonderwegian <carriecox@...>

>

> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:07:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine

> reactions too?

>

>

> My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the

> night we brought him home from the hospital (2 days

> old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried

> all night. The next morning we brought him in to the

> doctor's office. They tried to get a urine sample,

> but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated. They

> also did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to

> the hospital. It'd been less than 24 hours since we

> went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a blur to

> me) int he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had

> to fill-out a vaccine reaction report for the

> " unknown viral infection " because of the time-line

> from when the HepB was given but he said he didn't

> think that was the reason.

> Yeah, whatever.

>

> My son never reacted to the other vaccines so

> obviously.

>

> With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB

> (hospital/doctor staff is fine with that once they

> know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

> slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg

> recommends with them and they are doing fine.

>

> - in Mobile, AL

>

> ____________ _________ _________ ________

>

> " You must write for children in the same way as you

> do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey

> Maksimovich Peshkov)

>

> Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

>

> Anyone else have vaccine reactions

> too?

>

> Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

> wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

> else have their children have severe reactions to

> vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives

> all

> over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

> about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

> would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

> stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

> much! I figured we could restart them when she was

> older.

>

> Just curious. :)

> -

>

> --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > This sounds exactly of what our children have and

> we

> > are working so

> > hard to treat.

> >

> >

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat

> ed_encephalomyel itis

> >

> > Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> > immune mediated

> > disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> > following a viral

> > infection but may appear following vaccination,

> > bacterial or parasitic

> > infection, or even appear spontaneously.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > JR

> >

> >

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog :)

>

> http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

>

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I think my son's 'tipping point' was not with the MMR (which he was given

while SICK from introduction to cow's milk), but a flu vaccine he got 5-6

months later.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Hankinson

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:47 PM

Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

, Wow, this your story is interesting to

me...and I can relate because I, too, am scared to

vaccinate my kids. I have had 2 more and they are

unvaccinated and healthy, but they do suffer from

allergies. (my baby girl has environmental allergies

and my 2 year old has extreme allergies to mosquito

bites) Dr. told me we could vaccinate but I am

just so afraid. How could I live with myself if

something happened?

I have a question, why do you think your younger one

who received less vaccinations is sicker? He sounds

like my daughter has the dark under eye circles, pale

skin and dry hair, especially since she started the

Diflucan.

-

--- <thecolemans4@...

<mailto:thecolemans4%40> > wrote:

> My oldest reacted to the MMR - 2 wks later he had no

> more eye contact (for a while) and stopped

> responding to his name. He already had symptoms

> before that, but it was then that I first said Oh my

> god what haave I done? I had read of the MMR

> controversy at the appt for his shot. Two weeks is

> the point when cellular immunity kicks in.

> Both boys developed mucousy diahrea 2 wks after each

> DTaP. I didn't make the connection until the 5th

> time (between 2 kids). I developed severe

> IBS after a tetnus shot. My husband had his first

> onset of ulcerative colitis a couple weeks after a

> tetanus booster, and my MIL was in the hospital a

> month after a tetanus booster w/her worst bout of

> ulcerative colitis ever. They wanted to remove her

> colon. I said no. I said her shot triggered it.

> She is in remission now, w/her colon.

> My second son reacted to the DTAP w/6 hrs of

> indescribable screaming, and after I realized he had

> also been having seizures - but I couldn't imagine

> putting him in the car to take him to the ER, and

> the pediatrician said sometimes this happens, we'll

> just do the DT next time. With the next DT, he

> screamed 8 hrs even worse, clearly in horrible

> pain. I swore off the rest for a while, begged for

> waiver. Finally, in 'good faith' I got him the

> polio thinking it was a mild one, and he started

> losing gross motor skills almost immediately, going

> from a sturdy gait to tipping over to the left and

> falling down.

> No more vaccines ever for him, even when Dr G said

> it would now be ok for the MMR. I just couldn't.

> Big brother was ASD, had all of his scheduled

> vaccines except the 5 yr MMR booster, and has mostly

> recovered on the protocol, is much brighter right

> now than little brother. #2 typically developed

> until a year off the protocol, and then developed

> CFIDS and 5 yr old onset of asperger like symptoms.

>

> He didn't have all of the vaccines, started the

> protocol much sooner than his brother (at 18 months,

> before he could regress), didn't have any asd

> symptoms until age 5 after being off meds a year.

> Dr G had always said he was lucky - his labs were

> worse than his big brother's. His brother responded

> best to the protocol w/HHV6 coming out of hiding,

> but 's never did, and he got sick again.

> He didn't get nearly as many vaccines, but he is a

> lot sicker. He looks it too. Garrrett looks

> healthy w/shiny hair and bright eyes, while

> has eye circles, is pale, and his hair is dry and

> dull. It is a stark comparison right now.

> Fortunately, I've seen them both get well before, so

> I'm not completely losing my mind as badly this time

> around.

> Oh - most importantly... Garrett got better after

> his MMR, and I forgot about it for a while. Then he

> got the flu, and his reaction to it was what

> completely pushed him over the edge and that was

> when I finally understood that he had autism. That

> virus was a lot worse on him than the MMR

> vaccine was, although being only months apart

> couldn't have helped either. I wonder if I had

> gottten the flu shot for him that year, if he

> would kept getting better like he had been (until

> the next illness came along of course).

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: C. - Wonderwegian <carriecox@...

<mailto:carriecox%40comcast.net> >

> <mailto:%40>

> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:07:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine

> reactions too?

>

>

> My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the

> night we brought him home from the hospital (2 days

> old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried

> all night. The next morning we brought him in to the

> doctor's office. They tried to get a urine sample,

> but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated. They

> also did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to

> the hospital. It'd been less than 24 hours since we

> went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a blur to

> me) int he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had

> to fill-out a vaccine reaction report for the

> " unknown viral infection " because of the time-line

> from when the HepB was given but he said he didn't

> think that was the reason.

> Yeah, whatever.

>

> My son never reacted to the other vaccines so

> obviously.

>

> With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB

> (hospital/doctor staff is fine with that once they

> know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

> slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg

> recommends with them and they are doing fine.

>

> - in Mobile, AL

>

> ____________ _________ _________ ________

>

> " You must write for children in the same way as you

> do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey

> Maksimovich Peshkov)

>

> Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

>

> Anyone else have vaccine reactions

> too?

>

> Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

> wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

> else have their children have severe reactions to

> vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives

> all

> over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

> about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

> would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

> stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

> much! I figured we could restart them when she was

> older.

>

> Just curious. :)

> -

>

> --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > This sounds exactly of what our children have and

> we

> > are working so

> > hard to treat.

> >

> >

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat

> ed_encephalomyel itis

> >

> > Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> > immune mediated

> > disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> > following a viral

> > infection but may appear following vaccination,

> > bacterial or parasitic

> > infection, or even appear spontaneously.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > JR

> >

> >

>

> May the Lord bless you and keep you!

>

> Visit my blog :)

>

> http://bloominwhere yourplanted. blogspot. com/

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I would be careful with those flu shots.  They still have a lot of mercury in

them and they don't even know what strain of flu will hit.  It's a guessing

game.  Everyone I know (adults) that got the flu shot actually got the flu. 

Even doctors admit that the pharms missed the mark on this flu shot.  Less is

more when it comes to our kids and putting things in their body.  That is what I

learned the second time around.

I did not vaccinate my second child...I just couldn't bring myself to do it.  He

is doing great, very verbal, but I think he may have some allergies.  At least I

cannot blame vaccines. No matter what happens with him down the line, I am

relieved to be able to take that off the check list as possible culprits.  It

made me realize though, that our kids may be fighting off all the toxins we have

polluting our air and water, viruses, etc. and that alone is a tough

battle...then add shots to the mix on top of that and it could be

complete overload.  We vaccinate too early to even know what our little babies

may organically be fighting off.

I still feel regret over getting my older son some of the shots that I knew were

a crock of sh*t from the beginning.  Like Hep B.  Most children do not need that

shot and I knew it but thought, well, it does come with the HIB, might as well. 

After reading your entries, the sadness is still there.  Not only for my son,

although he is doing fabulous, but for all parents like us who have to go

through all of this agonizing to save our precious babies.  I am thankful that I

held back on many of his shots; he never received the MMR, chickenpox...I think

we're missing like 10 and no boosters.  I never vaccinated after 18 months.  I

told the doctor until Ian starts talking, I'm not putting another thing in his

body.  He agreed.  And we were done.  I now believe, you can always put stuff in

their bodies, add shots down the road, but you can never take stuff out.  And

that is how I live my life.  And if someone tries to scare me with fear, I

definitely walk away.  The Lord did not give me the spirit of fear and I'm not

subscribing to that line of thinking.  Okay, enough from me. 

Thanks for sharing all your stories. It is really helpful.

Blessings,

dawn 

 

________________________________

From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:01:13 PM

Subject: RE: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

I think my son's 'tipping point' was not with the MMR (which he was given

while SICK from introduction to cow's milk), but a flu vaccine he got 5-6

months later.

Kristy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:47 PM

groups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

, Wow, this your story is interesting to

me...and I can relate because I, too, am scared to

vaccinate my kids. I have had 2 more and they are

unvaccinated and healthy, but they do suffer from

allergies. (my baby girl has environmental allergies

and my 2 year old has extreme allergies to mosquito

bites) Dr. told me we could vaccinate but I am

just so afraid. How could I live with myself if

something happened?

I have a question, why do you think your younger one

who received less vaccinations is sicker? He sounds

like my daughter has the dark under eye circles, pale

skin and dry hair, especially since she started the

Diflucan.

-

--- <thecolemans4

<mailto:thecolemans 4%40. com> > wrote:

> My oldest reacted to the MMR - 2 wks later he had no

> more eye contact (for a while) and stopped

> responding to his name. He already had symptoms

> before that, but it was then that I first said Oh my

> god what haave I done? I had read of the MMR

> controversy at the appt for his shot. Two weeks is

> the point when cellular immunity kicks in.

> Both boys developed mucousy diahrea 2 wks after each

> DTaP. I didn't make the connection until the 5th

> time (between 2 kids). I developed severe

> IBS after a tetnus shot. My husband had his first

> onset of ulcerative colitis a couple weeks after a

> tetanus booster, and my MIL was in the hospital a

> month after a tetanus booster w/her worst bout of

> ulcerative colitis ever.. They wanted to remove her

> colon. I said no. I said her shot triggered it.

> She is in remission now, w/her colon.

> My second son reacted to the DTAP w/6 hrs of

> indescribable screaming, and after I realized he had

> also been having seizures - but I couldn't imagine

> putting him in the car to take him to the ER, and

> the pediatrician said sometimes this happens, we'll

> just do the DT next time. With the next DT, he

> screamed 8 hrs even worse, clearly in horrible

> pain. I swore off the rest for a while, begged for

> waiver. Finally, in 'good faith' I got him the

> polio thinking it was a mild one, and he started

> losing gross motor skills almost immediately, going

> from a sturdy gait to tipping over to the left and

> falling down.

> No more vaccines ever for him, even when Dr G said

> it would now be ok for the MMR. I just couldn't.

> Big brother was ASD, had all of his scheduled

> vaccines except the 5 yr MMR booster, and has mostly

> recovered on the protocol, is much brighter right

> now than little brother. #2 typically developed

> until a year off the protocol, and then developed

> CFIDS and 5 yr old onset of asperger like symptoms.

>

> He didn't have all of the vaccines, started the

> protocol much sooner than his brother (at 18 months,

> before he could regress), didn't have any asd

> symptoms until age 5 after being off meds a year.

> Dr G had always said he was lucky - his labs were

> worse than his big brother's. His brother responded

> best to the protocol w/HHV6 coming out of hiding,

> but 's never did, and he got sick again.

> He didn't get nearly as many vaccines, but he is a

> lot sicker. He looks it too. Garrrett looks

> healthy w/shiny hair and bright eyes, while

> has eye circles, is pale, and his hair is dry and

> dull. It is a stark comparison right now.

> Fortunately, I've seen them both get well before, so

> I'm not completely losing my mind as badly this time

> around.

> Oh - most importantly. .. Garrett got better after

> his MMR, and I forgot about it for a while. Then he

> got the flu, and his reaction to it was what

> completely pushed him over the edge and that was

> when I finally understood that he had autism. That

> virus was a lot worse on him than the MMR

> vaccine was, although being only months apart

> couldn't have helped either. I wonder if I had

> gottten the flu shot for him that year, if he

> would kept getting better like he had been (until

> the next illness came along of course).

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: C. - Wonderwegian <carriecoxcomcast (DOT) net

<mailto:carriecox% 40comcast. net> >

> groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:07:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine

> reactions too?

>

>

> My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the

> night we brought him home from the hospital (2 days

> old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried

> all night. The next morning we brought him in to the

> doctor's office. They tried to get a urine sample,

> but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated. They

> also did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to

> the hospital. It'd been less than 24 hours since we

> went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a blur to

> me) int he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had

> to fill-out a vaccine reaction report for the

> " unknown viral infection " because of the time-line

> from when the HepB was given but he said he didn't

> think that was the reason.

> Yeah, whatever.

>

> My son never reacted to the other vaccines so

> obviously.

>

> With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB

> (hospital/doctor staff is fine with that once they

> know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

> slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg

> recommends with them and they are doing fine.

>

> - in Mobile, AL

>

> ____________ _________ _________ ________

>

> " You must write for children in the same way as you

> do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey

> Maksimovich Peshkov)

>

> Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

>

> Anyone else have vaccine reactions

> too?

>

> Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

> wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

> else have their children have severe reactions to

> vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives

> all

> over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

> about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

> would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

> stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

> much! I figured we could restart them when she was

> older.

>

> Just curious. :)

> -

>

> --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > This sounds exactly of what our children have and

> we

> > are working so

> > hard to treat.

> >

> >

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat

> ed_encephalomyel itis

> >

> > Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> > immune mediated

> > disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> > following a viral

> > infection but may appear following vaccination,

> > bacterial or parasitic

> > infection, or even appear spontaneously.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > JR

> >

> >

>

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All three of my daughters had horrible reactions to the vaccines which changed

their life, abnormal brain spect scans Seizures non verbal just to name a few.

We treated with Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy and other vitamins, they are now 19,

21, 22 and they have recovered.

Thank God

Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

else have their children have severe reactions to

vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives all

over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

much! I figured we could restart them when she was

older.

Just curious. :)

-

--- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> This sounds exactly of what our children have and we

> are working so

> hard to treat.

>

>

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat ed_encephalomyel itis

>

> Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> immune mediated

> disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> following a viral

> infection but may appear following vaccination,

> bacterial or parasitic

> infection, or even appear spontaneously.

>

> Thanks,

> JR

>

>

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Hey ,

I don't really know why he's sicker.  The fact that he is, but didn't get all

the vacs his brother did is one of the things that helps me not feel guilty for

getting his older brother's.  Of course, if his brother had reacted that badly,

he wouldn't have gotten them.  I didn't see him get worse and worse from them

the way I did w/.  I did, however, have a subtle discomfort after them

that I could never put a finger on.  I don't believe they're a cause, just a

trigger. 

Anyway, Dr G said at our first appointment that he was surprised was

doing as well as he was, because his labs showed his immune system was a lot

worse off than his brother's was.  I believed the reason he was able to develop

typically those first few years (despite the nighttime waking/screaming every 20

minutes to an hr all night every night) was because by the time he was 9 months

old, I had him off dairy, and at 15 months we had the diflucan experience that

helped him begin sleeping, and managed to keep him on it until 18 months old

when we could get him and his brother to Dr G.  But his NKs were much worse, he

had chronic anemia that his brother didn't have....  I just don't know why he is

sicker.  I felt bad during that pregnancy, and developed a goiter the next year,

so I probably had some immune stuff going on and some thyroid problems develop

during pregnancy, and the stress of the first baby ...  Despite how 'poorly'

he's doing

right this minute, I think he's very lucky, and the regression I've witnessed

over the last 2 years has cemented my belief that Dr Goldberg saved my children

(and me too).

As far as vaccinating your other children.... Dr G's alternating method is

supposed to be the solution for them.  One a month, viral one month, bacterial

the other month, only when well, no rashes, not recently off antibiotics, etc. 

Of course I think having been dairy-free during pregnancy is a big part of that

'promise' too, so if you weren't, you could consider delaying them even further

apart.  You may see subtle reactions/regressions from them intitially and get

scared to death, but usually it would be no different than what you see if they

just had a sinus infection or a bad cold or something.  But I won't w/my son

right now because he does not appear well, and I think if Dr G took one look at

him right now, he would say not to give shots right then either.  He wants them

looking bright and healthy, or they wait.  So.  That's your basis ... if you

don't see bright and healthy, don't do it.  If they look great, that's a good

time.  That's

my personal opinion and understanding.  can explain it from her

experience a lot better, and I think she has recently under the pregnancy topic.

If there is poor cellular immunity " going on " when you get a live-virus vaccine

or a viral infection (or have an ongoing smoldering viral infection), I think

that is the precurser to having vaccine reactions - not the vaccines causing the

problem itself.  I think it's pre-existing, but I absolutely believe

irresponsibly vaccinating drastically increases the odds.  I am not comfortable

doing it at all with my son.  Maybe when his NKs get up.  Maybe never.  Unless

measles epidemics hit my state or surrounding areas ... then we're there and

we're getting it.

You brought up diflucan.  It keeps popping up in my mind too.  Are you on a

totally dye-free version, or do you get the very pale pink version like I do?  I

think even the palest dye was a mild trigger for my boys, and I'm thinking I may

have to bite the bullett and pay for some compounding to get rid of that dye

before I make any other diet changes.  I think diflucan is a miracle drug - it

has changed our lives.  But that dye can be sneaky.  I just don't know if it has

enough impact to warrant the cost.  (If it sounds bad to worry about that,  it's

more important to me to the have protocol for the duration and I will make

financial choices with that long term goal in mind.)  Bill Klimas also brought

up several times recently just how far not having the clean diet can set us back

and slow the progress, so I'm going to have to face up and address that better

too.

Sorry so long.

________________________________

From: Hankinson <jlhank80@...>

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:47:10 PM

Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

, Wow, this your story is interesting to

me...and I can relate because I, too, am scared to

vaccinate my kids. I have had 2 more and they are

unvaccinated and healthy, but they do suffer from

allergies. (my baby girl has environmental allergies

and my 2 year old has extreme allergies to mosquito

bites) Dr. told me we could vaccinate but I am

just so afraid. How could I live with myself if

something happened?

I have a question, why do you think your younger one

who received less vaccinations is sicker? He sounds

like my daughter has the dark under eye circles, pale

skin and dry hair, especially since she started the

Diflucan.

-

--- <thecolemans4> wrote:

> My oldest reacted to the MMR - 2 wks later he had no

> more eye contact (for a while) and stopped

> responding to his name.  He already had symptoms

> before that, but it was then that I first said Oh my

> god what haave I done?  I had read of the MMR

> controversy at the appt for his shot.  Two weeks is

> the point when cellular immunity kicks in. 

> Both boys developed mucousy diahrea 2 wks after each

> DTaP.  I didn't make the connection until the 5th

> time (between 2 kids).  I developed severe

> IBS after a tetnus shot.  My husband had his first

> onset of ulcerative colitis a couple weeks after a

> tetanus booster, and my MIL was in the hospital a

> month after a tetanus booster w/her worst bout of

> ulcerative colitis ever.  They wanted to remove her

> colon.  I said no.  I said her shot triggered it. 

> She is in remission now, w/her colon.

> My second son reacted to the DTAP w/6 hrs of

> indescribable screaming, and after I realized he had

> also been having seizures - but I couldn't imagine

> putting him in the car to take him to the ER, and

> the pediatrician said sometimes this happens, we'll

> just do the DT next time.  With the next DT, he

> screamed 8 hrs even worse, clearly in horrible

> pain.  I swore off the rest for a while, begged for

> waiver.  Finally, in 'good faith' I got him the

> polio thinking it was a mild one, and he started

> losing gross motor skills almost immediately, going

> from a sturdy gait to tipping over to the left and

> falling down.

> No more vaccines ever for him, even when Dr G said

> it would now be ok for the MMR.  I just couldn't. 

> Big brother was ASD, had all of his scheduled

> vaccines except the 5 yr MMR booster, and has mostly

> recovered on the protocol, is much brighter right

> now than little brother.  #2 typically developed

> until a year off the protocol, and then developed

> CFIDS and 5 yr old onset of asperger like symptoms. 

>

> He didn't have all of the vaccines, started the

> protocol much sooner than his brother (at 18 months,

> before he could regress), didn't have any asd

> symptoms until age 5 after being off meds a year.

> Dr G had always said he was lucky - his labs were

> worse than his big brother's.  His brother responded

> best to the protocol w/HHV6 coming out of hiding,

> but 's never did, and he got sick again.

> He didn't get nearly as many vaccines, but he is a

> lot sicker.  He looks it too.  Garrrett looks

> healthy w/shiny hair and bright eyes, while

> has eye circles, is pale, and his hair is dry and

> dull.  It is a stark comparison right now. 

> Fortunately, I've seen them both get well before, so

> I'm not completely losing my mind as badly this time

> around.

> Oh - most importantly. ..  Garrett got better after

> his MMR, and I forgot about it for a while.  Then he

> got the flu, and his reaction to it was what

> completely pushed him over the edge and that was

> when I finally understood that he had autism.  That

> virus was a lot worse on him than the MMR

> vaccine was, although being only months apart

> couldn't have helped either.  I wonder if I had

> gottten the flu shot for him that year, if he

> would kept getting better like he had been (until

> the next illness came along of course). 

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: C. - Wonderwegian <carriecoxcomcast (DOT) net>

> groups (DOT) com

> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:07:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine

> reactions too?

>

>

> My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the

> night we brought him home from the hospital (2 days

> old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried

> all night. The next morning we brought him in to the

> doctor's office. They tried to get a urine sample,

> but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated. They

> also did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to

> the hospital. It'd been less than 24 hours since we

> went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a blur to

> me) int he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had

> to fill-out a vaccine reaction report for the

> " unknown viral infection " because of the time-line

> from when the HepB was given but he said he didn't

> think that was the reason.

> Yeah, whatever.

>

> My son never reacted to the other vaccines so

> obviously.

>

> With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB

> (hospital/doctor staff is fine with that once they

> know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

> slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg

> recommends with them and they are doing fine.

>

> - in Mobile, AL

>

> ____________ _________ _________ ________

>

> " You must write for children in the same way as you

> do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey

> Maksimovich Peshkov)

>

> Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

>

> Anyone else have vaccine reactions

> too?

>

> Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

> wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

> else have their children have severe reactions to

> vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives

> all

> over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

> about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

> would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

> stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

> much! I figured we could restart them when she was

> older.

>

> Just curious. :)

> -

>

> --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > This sounds exactly of what our children have and

> we

> > are working so

> > hard to treat.

> >

> >

> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat

> ed_encephalomyel itis

> >

> > Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> > immune mediated

> > disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> > following a viral

> > infection but may appear following vaccination,

> > bacterial or parasitic

> > infection, or even appear spontaneously.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > JR

> >

> >

>

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My son didn't have obvious reactions to any of the vaccines, but he

would lose a skill or gain a strange behavior or sensory issue right

after each vaccination. For example, he stopped holding his bottle at

six months, right after a vax. He started bouncing constantly after a

three-month vaccination. Another time he stopped responding to his

name. Most skills would came back eventually, and since he is an only

child and I had no other children to compare him to, I dismissed it

all as just being quirky! It wasn't until we started Mommy and Me

when he was 18 months old that I noticed how behind he was, and then

it took nearly another year to get someone to pay attention to my

concerns.

Man, I still get SO upset when I remember all this. :(

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Hello, My name is Gabby, and I am a mother of two AUTISTIC boys: (5 years

old) & (3.5 years old)...

My earliest memories daydreaming about just being a wife and mother ... I met my

soulmate and it was only a matter of time before the rest of my dreams were

realized. I was sooooo excited and filled with Joy, Hopes, and dreams for my son

to be... was born on October of 2003... a perfect little boy!!! He

flipped over from back to front while he was being weighed for the first time, a

strong child indeed...he fed well and slept all night long!!! But this was soon

to end... before we left the hospital they took him to the nursery to get a shot

(Hep B) so that he would be " safe " ... When they brought him back all had

changed, and this calm and serene child, would not stop crying. He became

horse...and unable to cry like a normal child!!! He did not eat well, stopped

sleeping through the night, and day. He was also jaundice...They would tell me

over and over that he was OK, that he was a " colicky child " ... What ever that

means!

As he received more vaccines his condition deteriorated more and more, That

strong child became weak, low muscle tone, eye contact started to fade away, and

language stopped. It all became more intense after his flu shot at 12months. But

the pediatrician kept reassuring me that I was being paranoid, that the vaccines

had nothing to do with all his problems...

January 9th 2006, was diagnosed as SEVERELY AUTISTIC. A week prior to

this I was diagnosed with CANCER ( lymphoma type B). Our second child

was only 5 months old!!! Breastfeeding had to be stopped. In preparation for

upcoming Chemo – I had to have a procedure that would insert a Life Port in my

chest, to be able to receive the chemo. Later came the radiation... Thank God

for family – our support system!

Once became 18 months, he received the same diagnosis " AUTISM " ... our

world was shattered and all our hopes and dreams for our children were tossed

away as we were told that there was nothing that could be done, but wait and

expect the worse the older they got!!! But, giving up on our boys was not an

option for us, I fought and survived CANCER so that we could beat AUTISM too!!!

 

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part of a urinalysis.

Bilirubin levels tend to be slightly higher in males than females, while African

Americans show lower values. Strenuous exercise may also increase bilirubin

levels.

Researchers find aggressive phototherapy can improve neurodevelopmental outcomes

in some preemies:

http://www.cnsfoundation.org/site/News2?news_iv_ctrl=-1 & page=NewsArticle & id=8235\

& autologin=true

Engerix hep B vaccine may raise risk of MS in kids:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_69759.html

Hepatitis B Vaccine & Adverse Reactions:

http://www.umm.%20edu/altmed/%20drugs/hepatitis-%20b-061000.%20htm

Multiple sclerosis reported following administration of hepatitis B and other

vaccines: http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_engerixb.pdf

Disturbing facts:

- Bilirubin levels tend to be slightly higher in males than females (just like

ASD)

- Newborns: Excessive bilirubin damages developing brain cells in infants

(kernicterus) and may cause mental retardation, learning and developmental

disabilities, hearing loss, or eye movement problems. It is important that

bilirubin in newborns does not get too high.

- Reasonst to test an infant are:If they have been exposed to hepatitis viruses

(vaccine:Hep B at second day of birth in the hospiital)

- shows evidence of jaundice

- last but not least there is a well documented connection between Hep B vaccine

and MS in children.

All this symptoms and facts were present after my son received Hep B vaccine

prior to leaving the hospital... One thing it does not mention is the nonstop

crying (his voice went horse before we even left the hospital...) He was eating

and sleeping fine prior to the shot and developed intolerance to protein after

that... and just told me he was a coliky baby and dismissed any observation I

had... And told me to go home and put my boy in the sun as much as posible...

they never tested levels of bilirubin at all... I could tell he was in a very

intence pain and kept on giving Tylenol (which depletes glutathione levels)

prescribed by the Pediatrician, probably making things worse!!!

I wish I knew then what I know now...And each time he received a new vaccine he

kept having rashes and what not... until 1 year of age when he received MMR and

a Flu shot all in one day... after that he went off the deep end and regressed

more and more!!! Having very low muscle tone, difficulty with fine motor skills,

Sleep depravation, difficulty digesting certain proteins, bloating, pain, and

fatigue (this are all symptoms of my child having liver and brain damage). That

Hep B shot was the first step we took & started our journey in to ASD world...

And if you add to this the Mercury, Aluminum as well as other aditives in the

shots, which have been recently discussed in the theory of vaccines causing

micro-vascular stokes from Dr. Moulden... It just makes more sense ... Our

children have been injured... vaccine by vaccine and all of them contribute to

more and more regressions!!! MMR is just the tip of the iceberg & the straw that

broke the camel's back...

With concern for the safety of our children,

Love, Gabby. :0)

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Donna,

I have the same case like you and I got tired about telling pediatricians that

something was wrong with my daughter. It took me almost 18 months to get a

doctor to put attention.

My daughter lost her skills gradually and no eye contact . I hope that

pediatricians start to put attention to mothers.

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Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

My son didn't have obvious reactions to any of the vaccines, but he

would lose a skill or gain a strange behavior or sensory issue right

after each vaccination. For example, he stopped holding his bottle at

six months, right after a vax. He started bouncing constantly after a

three-month vaccination. Another time he stopped responding to his

name. Most skills would came back eventually, and since he is an only

child and I had no other children to compare him to, I dismissed it

all as just being quirky! It wasn't until we started Mommy and Me

when he was 18 months old that I noticed how behind he was, and then

it took nearly another year to get someone to pay attention to my

concerns.

Man, I still get SO upset when I remember all this. :(

Donna

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I used to turn up to each vaccination appointment with a bottle of pain

relief (it helped to reduce my babies pain/distress afterwards but instead I

really should have been questioning the severity of reaction) because each of

my

7 children had very bad local reactions with high temperatures plus

'sleeping' for 24+ hours afterwards. Three of the boys later received diagnoses

of

Language Impairment (two had noticeable regressions and one has since

recovered)

and all exhibited other neurological signs such as sensory and motor

disturbances all lived their baby and early childhoods with enlarged neck and

groin

glands still receiving their vaccinations,the fourth boy has ADD type

symptoms but nowadays this passes almost as the norm for boys who can still

achieve

academically and socially. My three daughters are all neurotypical but each

has poor bladder control (which has been thoroughly investigated with no

abnormality detected so this likely makes it neurological in origin!) which has

not improved as they get older and I mean I have carried 6 pregnancies (one set

of twins) had one caesarian and four normal deliveries and I do not have

their problems! My youngest son now 6 has not had his pre school boosters

because I finally made the connection because although there was no Language

Disorders/Learning Difficulties in our family history there certainly were

autoimmune ones! I share your upset because our children's struggles may have

been

avoided by a more judicious approach to vaccinations.

In a message dated 27/02/2009 02:12:38 GMT Standard Time,

donnaaron@... writes:

My son didn't have obvious reactions to any of the vaccines, but he

would lose a skill or gain a strange behaviour or sensory issue right

after each vaccination. For example, he stopped holding his bottle at

six months, right after a vax. He started bouncing constantly after a

three-month vaccination. Another time he stopped responding to his

name. Most skills would came back eventually, and since he is an only

child and I had no other children to compare him to, I dismissed it

all as just being quirky! It wasn't until we started Mommy and Me

when he was 18 months old that I noticed how behind he was, and then

it took nearly another year to get someone to pay attention to my

concerns.

Man, I still get SO upset when I remember all this. :(

Donna

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Gabby,

You go girl!!! Don't give up until you recover both your kids. Get mad at

all the garbage the " so called " experts tell you, but don't ever through in

the towel especially on those days when you feel you can't continue with

this horrible uphill battle. They said my kid wouldn't be okay too, but he

is.

is a sophomore at a California University on a half-ride merit

scholarship, studies Mechanical Engineering and has a 3.8 GPA. Today

drives, has friends, and does all the things the doctors told me he would

never do. fits in quite nicely with all the other nerds, is president

of Hillel, and has a ton of friends. (Who would have seen that one coming?)

It wasn't till college that had true friends. Even in high school, he

was kind of on the outside looking in. The social is the last to come.

Last weekend my husband and I went to parent's weekend. What we didn't know

ahead of time is that my nice Jewish boy was asked by Father Tracey to be a

part of a student panel of seven on Spirituality. He owned the room, was

funny and I couldn't have been more proud. During this time my husband

leaned over to me and asked, " Who is that kid? And what did they do with our

son? "

That evening we went to a function from the fraternity he joined this year.

One of the guys told me that out of all the house members, is the one

he likes the best and embodies the fraternity principles more than anyone

else. But the best part was when introduced me to one of the alums

that he later quietly explained to me was a little socially awkward. I

immediately recognized that this kid was on the spectrum. I told he

needs to look out for this kid. He said he thinks this kid is a " little bit

touched " our code for on the spectrum. And he said he always looks out for

him. Not bad for a kid who was never suppose to be empathetic.

If anyone would have told me all this would be possible when my kid was the

same age as yours, I never would have believed them. You can do this with

hard work. Just remember it is not just the medical. It includes the

educational, behavioral and social too. It must all be taught and

integrated. That's why it takes so long and is not an easy fix. Hang in

there.

Marcia

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Gabby,

Your story touches and breaks my heart at the same

time.

-

--- a DeVelbiss <gabrieladevelbiss@...>

wrote:

> Hello, My name is Gabby, and I am a mother of two

> AUTISTIC boys: (5 years old) & (3.5

> years old)...

>

> My earliest memories daydreaming about just being a

> wife and mother ... I met my soulmate and it was

> only a matter of time before the rest of my dreams

> were realized. I was sooooo excited and filled with

> Joy, Hopes, and dreams for my son to be...

> was born on October of 2003... a perfect little

> boy!!! He flipped over from back to front while he

> was being weighed for the first time, a strong child

> indeed...he fed well and slept all night long!!! But

> this was soon to end... before we left the hospital

> they took him to the nursery to get a shot (Hep B)

> so that he would be " safe " ... When they brought him

> back all had changed, and this calm and serene

> child, would not stop crying. He became horse...and

> unable to cry like a normal child!!! He did not eat

> well, stopped sleeping through the night, and day.

> He was also jaundice...They would tell me over and

> over that he was OK, that he was a " colicky

> child " ... What ever that means!

>

> As he received more vaccines his condition

> deteriorated more and more, That strong child became

> weak, low muscle tone, eye contact started to fade

> away, and language stopped. It all became more

> intense after his flu shot at 12months. But the

> pediatrician kept reassuring me that I was being

> paranoid, that the vaccines had nothing to do with

> all his problems...

> January 9th 2006, was diagnosed as SEVERELY

> AUTISTIC. A week prior to this I was diagnosed with

> CANCER ( lymphoma type B). Our second child

> was only 5 months old!!! Breastfeeding had to be

> stopped. In preparation for upcoming Chemo – I had

> to have a procedure that would insert a Life Port in

> my chest, to be able to receive the chemo. Later

> came the radiation... Thank God for family – our

> support system!

>

> Once became 18 months, he received the same

> diagnosis " AUTISM " ... our world was shattered and

> all our hopes and dreams for our children were

> tossed away as we were told that there was nothing

> that could be done, but wait and expect the worse

> the older they got!!! But, giving up on our boys was

> not an option for us, I fought and survived CANCER

> so that we could beat AUTISM too!!!

>

>  

> Hepatitis B Shot/High Bilirubin/ ASD CONNECTION

>

>

http://www.labtests%20online.org/%20understanding/%20analytes/%20bilirubin/%20te\

st.html

>

> Also known as: Total bilirubin, TBIL, Neonatal

> bilirubin, Direct bilirubin (conjugated bilirubin),

> Indirect bilirubin (unconjugated bilirubin) Formal

> name: Bilirubin Related tests: Liver panel,

> Gamma-glutamyl transferase, Alkaline phosphatase,

> Aspartate aminotransferase, Alanine

> aminotransferase, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B,

> Hepatitis C

>

> The Test

>

> How is it used?When is it ordered?What does the test

> result mean?Is there anything else I should know?

>

> How is it used?

> When bilirubin levels are high, a condition called

> jaundice occurs, and further testing is needed to

> determine the cause. Too much bilirubin may mean

> that too much is being produced (usually due to

> increased hemolysis) or that the liver is incapable

> of adequately removing bilirubin in a timely manner

> due to blockage of bile ducts, liver diseases such

> as cirrhosis, acute hepatitis, or inherited problems

> with bilirubin processing.

>

> It is not uncommon to see high bilirubin levels in

> newborns, typically 1 to 3 days old. This is

> sometimes called physiologic jaundice of the

> newborn. Within the first 24 hours of life, up to

> 50% of full-term newborns, and an even greater

> percentage of pre-term babies, may have a high

> bilirubin level.. After birth, newborns begin

> breaking down the excess red blood cells (RBCs) they

> are born with and, since the newborn’s liver is

> not fully mature, it is unable to process the extra

> bilirubin, causing the infant's bilirubin levels to

> rise in the blood and other body tissues. This

> situation usually resolves itself within a few days.

> In other instances, newborns’ red blood cells may

> be being destroyed because of blood

> incompatibilities between the baby and her mother,

> called hemolytic disease of the newborn.

>

> In adults or older children, bilirubin is measured

> to diagnose and/or monitor liver diseases, such as

> cirrhosis, hepatitis, or gallstones. Patients with

> sickle cell disease or other causes of hemolytic

> anemia may have episodes where excessive RBC

> destruction takes place, increasing bilirubin

> levels.

>

> When is it ordered?

> A doctor usually orders a bilirubin test in

> conjunction with other laboratory tests (alkaline

> phosphatase, aspartate aminotransferase, alanine

> aminotransferase) for a patient who shows signs of

> abnormal liver function. A bilirubin level may be

> ordered when a patient:

> shows evidence of jaundice has a history of drinking

> excessive amounts of alcohol has suspected drug

> toxicity has been exposed to hepatitis viruses

> Other symptoms that may be present include:dark,

> amber-colored urine nausea/vomiting abdominal pain

> and/or swelling fatigue and general malaise that

> often accompany chronic liver disease

> Determining a bilirubin level in newborns with

> jaundice is considered standard medical care.

>

> What does the test result mean?NOTE: A standard

> reference range is not available for this test.

> Because reference values are dependent on many

> factors, including patient age, gender, sample

> population, and test method, numeric test results

> have different meanings in different labs. Your lab

> report should include the specific reference range

> for your test. Lab Tests Online strongly recommends

> that you discuss your test results with your doctor.

> For more information on reference ranges, please

> read

> Reference Ranges and What They Mean.

>

> Newborns: Excessive bilirubin damages developing

> brain cells in infants (kernicterus) and may cause

> mental retardation, learning and developmental

> disabilities, hearing loss, or eye movement

> problems. It is important that bilirubin in newborns

> does not get too high. When the level of bilirubin

> is above a critical threshold, special treatments

> are initiated to lower it. An excessive bilirubin

> level may result from the accelerated breakdown of

> red blood cells due to a blood type incompatibility

> between the mother and her newborn (e.g., the mother

> is Rh-negative and has antibody to Rh-positive blood

> - the father is Rh-positive, and the fetus inherits

> this trait from him; the mother’s antibody crosses

> the placenta and causes the fetal Rh-positive red

> blood cells to hemolyze, resulting in excessively

> elevated bilirubin levels with jaundice, anemia, and

> possible kernicterus. )

>

> Adults and children: Bilirubin levels can be used to

> identify liver damage/disease or to monitor the

> progression of jaundice. Increased total or

> unconjugated bilirubin may be a result of hemolytic,

> sickle cell or pernicious anemias or a transfusion

> reaction. If conjugated bilirubin is elevated, there

> may be some kind of blockage of the liver or bile

> ducts, hepatitis, trauma to the liver, cirrhosis, a

> drug reaction, or long-term alcohol abuse.

>

> Inherited disorders that cause abnormal bilirubin

> metabolism (Gilbert’s, Rotor’s, Dubin-,

> Crigler-Najjar syndromes) may also cause increased

> levels

> ..

> Low levels of bilirubin are not generally a concern

> and are not monitored.

>

> Is there anything else I should know?

> Although bilirubin may be toxic to brain development

> in newborns (up to the age of about 2–4 weeks),

> high bilirubin in older children and adults does not

> pose the same threat. In older children and adults,

> the “blood-brain barrier†is more developed and

> prevents bilirubin from crossing this barrier to the

> brain cells. Elevated bilirubin levels in children

> or adults, however, strongly suggest a medical

> condition that must be evaluated and treated.

> Bilirubin is not normally present in the urine.

> However, conjugated bilirubin is water-soluble and

> therefore may be excreted from the body in the urine

> when levels increase in the body. Its presence in

> the urine usually indicates blockage of liver or

> bile ducts, hepatitis or some other liver damage.

> The most common method for detecting urine bilirubin

> is using the dipstick test that is part of a

> urinalysis.

>

> Bilirubin levels tend to be slightly higher in males

> than females, while African Americans show lower

> values. Strenuous exercise may also increase

> bilirubin levels.

>

>

> Researchers find aggressive phototherapy can improve

> neurodevelopmental

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yes, why voluntarily put more thimersiol (mercury based preservative) into you

or your childs body.

________________________________

From: on behalf of Dawn Dolan

Sent: Wed 2/25/2009 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

I would be careful with those flu shots. They still have a lot of mercury in

them and they don't even know what strain of flu will hit. It's a guessing

game. Everyone I know (adults) that got the flu shot actually got the flu.

Even doctors admit that the pharms missed the mark on this flu shot. Less is

more when it comes to our kids and putting things in their body. That is what I

learned the second time around.

I did not vaccinate my second child...I just couldn't bring myself to do it. He

is doing great, very verbal, but I think he may have some allergies. At least I

cannot blame vaccines. No matter what happens with him down the line, I am

relieved to be able to take that off the check list as possible culprits. It

made me realize though, that our kids may be fighting off all the toxins we have

polluting our air and water, viruses, etc. and that alone is a tough

battle...then add shots to the mix on top of that and it could be complete

overload. We vaccinate too early to even know what our little babies may

organically be fighting off.

I still feel regret over getting my older son some of the shots that I knew were

a crock of sh*t from the beginning. Like Hep B. Most children do not need that

shot and I knew it but thought, well, it does come with the HIB, might as well.

After reading your entries, the sadness is still there. Not only for my son,

although he is doing fabulous, but for all parents like us who have to go

through all of this agonizing to save our precious babies. I am thankful that I

held back on many of his shots; he never received the MMR, chickenpox...I think

we're missing like 10 and no boosters. I never vaccinated after 18 months. I

told the doctor until Ian starts talking, I'm not putting another thing in his

body. He agreed. And we were done. I now believe, you can always put stuff in

their bodies, add shots down the road, but you can never take stuff out. And

that is how I live my life. And if someone tries to scare me with fear, I

definitely walk away. The Lord did not give me the spirit of fear and I'm not

subscribing to that line of thinking. Okay, enough from me.

Thanks for sharing all your stories. It is really helpful.

Blessings,

dawn

________________________________

From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@... <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com>

>

<mailto:%40>

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:01:13 PM

Subject: RE: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

I think my son's 'tipping point' was not with the MMR (which he was given

while SICK from introduction to cow's milk), but a flu vaccine he got 5-6

months later.

Kristy

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Hankinson

Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:47 PM

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Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine reactions too?

, Wow, this your story is interesting to

me...and I can relate because I, too, am scared to

vaccinate my kids. I have had 2 more and they are

unvaccinated and healthy, but they do suffer from

allergies. (my baby girl has environmental allergies

and my 2 year old has extreme allergies to mosquito

bites) Dr. told me we could vaccinate but I am

just so afraid. How could I live with myself if

something happened?

I have a question, why do you think your younger one

who received less vaccinations is sicker? He sounds

like my daughter has the dark under eye circles, pale

skin and dry hair, especially since she started the

Diflucan.

-

--- <thecolemans4

<mailto:thecolemans 4%40. com> > wrote:

> My oldest reacted to the MMR - 2 wks later he had no

> more eye contact (for a while) and stopped

> responding to his name. He already had symptoms

> before that, but it was then that I first said Oh my

> god what haave I done? I had read of the MMR

> controversy at the appt for his shot. Two weeks is

> the point when cellular immunity kicks in.

> Both boys developed mucousy diahrea 2 wks after each

> DTaP. I didn't make the connection until the 5th

> time (between 2 kids). I developed severe

> IBS after a tetnus shot. My husband had his first

> onset of ulcerative colitis a couple weeks after a

> tetanus booster, and my MIL was in the hospital a

> month after a tetanus booster w/her worst bout of

> ulcerative colitis ever.. They wanted to remove her

> colon. I said no. I said her shot triggered it.

> She is in remission now, w/her colon.

> My second son reacted to the DTAP w/6 hrs of

> indescribable screaming, and after I realized he had

> also been having seizures - but I couldn't imagine

> putting him in the car to take him to the ER, and

> the pediatrician said sometimes this happens, we'll

> just do the DT next time. With the next DT, he

> screamed 8 hrs even worse, clearly in horrible

> pain. I swore off the rest for a while, begged for

> waiver. Finally, in 'good faith' I got him the

> polio thinking it was a mild one, and he started

> losing gross motor skills almost immediately, going

> from a sturdy gait to tipping over to the left and

> falling down.

> No more vaccines ever for him, even when Dr G said

> it would now be ok for the MMR. I just couldn't.

> Big brother was ASD, had all of his scheduled

> vaccines except the 5 yr MMR booster, and has mostly

> recovered on the protocol, is much brighter right

> now than little brother. #2 typically developed

> until a year off the protocol, and then developed

> CFIDS and 5 yr old onset of asperger like symptoms.

>

> He didn't have all of the vaccines, started the

> protocol much sooner than his brother (at 18 months,

> before he could regress), didn't have any asd

> symptoms until age 5 after being off meds a year.

> Dr G had always said he was lucky - his labs were

> worse than his big brother's. His brother responded

> best to the protocol w/HHV6 coming out of hiding,

> but 's never did, and he got sick again.

> He didn't get nearly as many vaccines, but he is a

> lot sicker. He looks it too. Garrrett looks

> healthy w/shiny hair and bright eyes, while

> has eye circles, is pale, and his hair is dry and

> dull. It is a stark comparison right now.

> Fortunately, I've seen them both get well before, so

> I'm not completely losing my mind as badly this time

> around.

> Oh - most importantly. .. Garrett got better after

> his MMR, and I forgot about it for a while. Then he

> got the flu, and his reaction to it was what

> completely pushed him over the edge and that was

> when I finally understood that he had autism. That

> virus was a lot worse on him than the MMR

> vaccine was, although being only months apart

> couldn't have helped either. I wonder if I had

> gottten the flu shot for him that year, if he

> would kept getting better like he had been (until

> the next illness came along of course).

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: C. - Wonderwegian <carriecoxcomcast (DOT) net

<mailto:carriecox% 40comcast. net> >

> groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:07:14 PM

> Subject: Re: Anyone else have vaccine

> reactions too?

>

>

> My oldest son () reacted to the HepB. The the

> night we brought him home from the hospital (2 days

> old) he spiked a fever and wouldn't nurse and cried

> all night. The next morning we brought him in to the

> doctor's office. They tried to get a urine sample,

> but could only get a drop he was so dehydrated. They

> also did a spinal tap on him and re-admitted him to

> the hospital. It'd been less than 24 hours since we

> went home. He spent another 3-4 days (it's a blur to

> me) int he hospital with IVs. The pediatrician had

> to fill-out a vaccine reaction report for the

> " unknown viral infection " because of the time-line

> from when the HepB was given but he said he didn't

> think that was the reason.

> Yeah, whatever.

>

> My son never reacted to the other vaccines so

> obviously.

>

> With my two younger kids we've not given the HepB

> (hospital/doctor staff is fine with that once they

> know the oldest reacted to it.) We are doing the

> slower/alertative vaccine schedule Dr. Goldberg

> recommends with them and they are doing fine.

>

> - in Mobile, AL

>

> ____________ _________ _________ ________

>

> " You must write for children in the same way as you

> do for adults, only better. " -Maxim Gorky (Aleksey

> Maksimovich Peshkov)

>

> Reality lies beyond the horizon... Wonderwegian

>

> Anyone else have vaccine reactions

> too?

>

> Reading this about that encephalomyelitis made me

> wonder about other people in the group...did anyone

> else have their children have severe reactions to

> vaccinations? Day 1 after the Hep B she had hives

> all

> over her body. Then my daughter had a fever of 104+

> about 8 hours after each round of vaccinations. She

> would just lay in my arms lifelessly. Finally we

> stopped them at 6 months because it scared me too

> much! I figured we could restart them when she was

> older.

>

> Just curious. :)

> -

>

> --- <jrodrig6605@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> > This sounds exactly of what our children have and

> we

> > are working so

> > hard to treat.

> >

> >

> http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia/> .org/wiki/ Acute_disseminat

> ed_encephalomyel itis

> >

> > Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is an

> > immune mediated

> > disease of the brain.[1][2] [3] It usually occurs

> > following a viral

> > infection but may appear following vaccination,

> > bacterial or parasitic

> > infection, or even appear spontaneously.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > JR

> >

> >

>

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