Re: Friend-age 25 in second trimester who was bitten two weeks ago w

[Guest guest]

H , my sister was on amoxicillin through her whole pregnancy and I know that is one that is totally safe and helps keep transmission from mother to baby. My niece is healthy as can be and no signs of any lyme probs so far!

Good luck to her,

She is wondering how to treat being that she is pregnant. If anyone has any information with respect to (1) whether antibiotics are indicated for infection in 2nd trimester and if so, which ones (2) if there is likelihood of passing it to the baby (3) if there are any herbs safe for mother and baby alternatively.

Thanks fo much.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Tell your friend to take as much Vitamin C as she can handle. See extract below

on pregnancy and Vitamin C. These are the clinical observations of Fred Klenner,

MD, the first American doctor to use Vitamin C by mouth and injection to cure

polio:

http://www.doctoryourself.com/klennerpaper.html

Primary and lasting benefits in pregnancy.

Observations made on over 300 consecutive obstetrical cases using supplemental

ascorbic acid, by mouth, convinced me that failure to use this agent in

sufficient amounts in pregnancy borders on malpractice. The lowest amount of

ascorbic acid used was 4 grams and the highest amount 15 grams each day.

(Remember the rat-no stress manufactures equivalent " C " up to 4 grams and with

stress up to 15.2 grams). Requirements were roughly 4 grams first trimester, 6

grams second trimester and 10 grams third trimester. Approximately 20 percent

required 15 grams, each day, during last trimester. Eighty percent of this

series received a booster injection of 10 grams, intravenously, on admission to

the hospital. Hemoglobin levels were much easier to maintain. Leg cramps were

less than three percent and always was associated with " getting out " of Vitamin

C tablets. Striae gravidarum was seldom encountered and when it was present

there existed an associated problem of too much eating and too little walking.

The capacity of the skin to resist the pressure of an expanding uterus will also

vary in different individuals. Labor was shorter and less painful. There were no

postpartum hemorrhages. The perineum was found to be remarkably elastic and

episiotomy was performed electively. Healing was always by first intention and

even after 15 and 20 years following the last child the firmness of the perineum

is found to be similar to that of a primigravida in those who have continued

their daily supplemental vitamin C. No patient required catheterization. No

toxic manifestations were demonstrated in this series. There was no cardiac

stress even though 22 patients of the series had rheumatic hearts. One patient

in particular was carried through two pregnancies without complications. She had

been warned by her previous obstetrician that a second pregnancy would terminate

with a maternal death. She received no ascorbic acid with her first pregnancy.

This lady has been back teaching school for the past 10 years. She still takes

10 grams of ascorbic acid daily. Infants born under massive ascorbic acid

therapy were all robust. Not a single case required resuscitation. We

experienced no feeding problems. The Fultz quadruplets were in this series. They

took milk nourishment on the second day. These babies were started on 50 mg

ascorbic acid the first day and, of course, this was increased as time went on.

Our only nursery equipment was one hospital bed, an old, used single unit hot

plate and an equally old 10 quart kettle. Humidity and ascorbic acid tells this

story. They are the only quadruplets that have survived in southeastern United

States. Another case of which I am justly proud is one in which we delivered 10

children to one couple. All are healthy and good looking. There were no

miscarriages. All are living and well. They are frequently referred to as the

vitamin C kids, in fact all of the babies from this series were called " Vitamin

C Babies " by the nursing personnel--they were distinctly different.

How concerned should we be about oxalic acid and kidney stones? A technical

explanation.

One of the " scare " weapons used by the critics on high daily doses of ascorbic

acid is the oxalic acid-kidney stone hypothesis. Meakins[36] states that the

chief factors in the formation of renal calculi are perversions of metabolic

processes, infection and stasis in the urinary tract. There are two schools of

thought on stone formation: 1) That there is a central nucleus of colloids on

which the crystalloids are precipitated; 2) That the crystalloids are deposited

from the urine in which they are present in concentrated solution, in which salt

and hydrogen ion concentrations are important factors. In all cases stasis and a

concentrated urine appear to be the chief physiological factors. The only way

that oxalic acid can be produced from ascorbic acid is through splitting of the

lactone ring. This happens above pH5. The reaction of urine when 10 grams of

vitamin C is taken daily is usually pH6. Oxalic acid precipitates out of

solution only from a neutral or alkaline solution-pH7 to pH10. Kelli and

Zilva[37] reported that " Nutrition experiments showed that dehydroascorbic acid

is protected in vivo from rapid transformation to the antiscorbutically impotent

diketogulonic acid from which oxalic acid is derived. " Values reported in the

literature for normal 24 hour urinary oxalate excretions for humans range from

14 mg to 56 mg. Lamden et al.[38] found in a group of volunteers that the

ingestion of 9 grams ascorbic acid daily resulted in oxalate spills as high as

68 mg for 24 hours and in the controls without extra vitamin C the high was 64

mg for a 24 hour period.

These critics have overlooked the individual with diabetes mellitus. The amount

of oxalic acid found in the diabetic patient approximates that found in the

urine of a normal person taking 10 grams vitamin C each day. With the diabetic

we find a paradox. Give this individual 10 grams ascorbic acid daily, by mouth,

and the urinary oxalate excretion remains relatively unchanged. Diabetics are

known for their diuresis. The individual who takes 10 or more grams of vitamin C

each day will find that this organic compound is an excellent diuretic. No

urinary stasis; no urine concentration.

The ascorbic acid kidney stone story is a myth. Methylene blue will dissolve

calcium oxalate stones giving 65 mg orally 2 to 3 times a day. (Dr. M. J. Vernon

: Med. World News, Dec. 4, 1970)

[Guest guest]

Question...So, is Lyme not transmitted in cyst form or is the transmission

minimal? Would you advise against not nursing?

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> Thank you . So encouraging. It seems that amoxicillin is the way to go.

So glad your sister and niece are doing well.

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> Thanks so much.

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> Subject: Re: Friend-age 25 in second trimester who was bitten

two weeks ago w

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> H , my sister was on amoxicillin through her whole pregnancy and I know

that is one that is totally safe and helps keep transmission from mother to

baby. My niece is healthy as can be and no signs of any lyme probs so far!

> Good luck to her,

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> She is wondering how to treat being that she is pregnant. If anyone has any

information with respect to (1) whether antibiotics are indicated for infection

in 2nd trimester and if so, which ones (2) if there is likelihood of passing it

to the baby (3) if there are any herbs safe for mother and baby alternatively.

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> Thanks fo much.

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[Guest guest]

how dod you deduce that lyme cant be transmitted in cyst form? Its less likely to perhaps, but the reason antibiotics or salt?c helps during pregnancy is that is helps to keep the infection level lower.If mom was bitten two weeks ago ( now more like 3) she needs to treat it for both of mom and babies sake.Babies with lyme often end up with a diagnosis of autism or other learning and emotional disabilities..There is constant fluid exchange between mother and fetus ,so its important .to treat.There have been those who have had success using the salt/c protocol in pregnancy, found at Lymestrategies. Re: Friend-age 25 in second trimester who was bitten two weeks ago w Posted by: "j1o2yl" 4blessings4us@... j1o2yl Date: Sat Apr 7, 2012 5:23 am ((PDT))Question...So, is Lyme not transmitted in cyst form or is the transmission minimal? Would you advise against not

nursing? "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller