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Hi Jim,yes on the toxins.  for yrs., there are times i have felt 'toxic' as there is no other way to explain the feeling.  i'm thinking that because i never knew about detoxing until this last yr. it's kind of like i'm just starting treatment.  so have to look at it like that instead of the last 12 yrs.  more hopeful that way.

i drink so much water it is getting expensive!!!  so got that covered and covered again.the valium is a wild care for sure.  just no way to tell what affect it is having. i am down to 1/4 of a 5 mg. tab.  i think that is 1.25 mg.  so, almost done.  so anxious i can hardly stand it.  no convulsions lately, so maybe over those.  just restless leg a lot.  but that happens to all of us i believe.

i need to be more consistent on the gluc.  i usually take at night, 2 hrs before the valium as i don't want them near each other.  but i forget until bedtime, then can't take it.  need to work on that.  also, how many times a day?  once enough, or more.

i haven't coiled lately as i want this to clear so i know what i'm dealing with.  maybe next wk as it is clearing some.  i have been noticing something new though.  i am having extreme weakness in my upper body.  to the point of almost not able to lift my arms.  i'v never had much upper body strength, but this is way beyond a strength issue.  does this happen?  i know this comes with ms, and one dr. considered it, but the mri showed no lesions.  i checked ms symptoms and have 90% of them, but lyme mimics ms, or visa versa, so who knows.  

an unbelievable note though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and this is truly unbelievable for me!!!!after all the pushing you have done about magnesium, i have tried to increase the doses.  i did a little research of my own also.  found that our cells become acidic during the day and mag. cleans them out at night, healing them for the next days work--detox??  and so many other things.  stress, muscles--heart is one--, anxiety, insomnia and on and on.

so, last night did a huge dose all over the front of me and all my arms and legs.  waited an hour+ then showered and went to bed.  i was very relaxed and sleepy.  fell right to sleep, woke at 4, went back to sleep, woke at 7:30 but stayed in bed until 9, as usual.  got up refreshed and with a lighter 'heart' attitude.  AND not feeling so sick as i usually do.  hmmmm.  this is weird.

but the really weird part is that those 30 min. attacks i have had for over 10 yrs. without even one break didn't happen this morning.  the only thing i felt slightly was a little stomach upset.  in  fact, it wasn't until 3 that i started to feel a little heart distress and a little warmth.  it is 5:25 and they are just now starting to be a little uncomfortable.

lately, i have been concerned because during the attacks the pounding, racing, tight painful chest, hard to breath, drenching sweats, painful gut and nausea have been bad.  i was wanting to give up again.  BUT today, this is unbelievable.  i have reapplied the mag. all over again this a.m. waited then showered, then did just my arms this afternoon.  

SOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!   what caused this break in the attacks?????   magnesium?????   nothing else has changed.  any ideas??  if this is a result of the mag., i'm buying stock in the company!!

barbara

 

Hi Barbara,We learn by doing!! Soon you will be a real techie on that 'puter... :-)I still feel your symptoms are related to toxins.. At one point a few years back I felt so toxic, had terrible headaches, severe sweating and I told my wife

I just felt so toxic.. I just kept hitting my detox protocols, water is actually one of the best detoxers as it carries many toxins from our body... Then atone point, I just felt better, still had headaches, but not as severe and the sweating was more normal.. this took months before I started to feel less toxic..

And that Valium detox is probably playing into this also.. Modified Citrus Pectin can be used with or without the alginate... The studies show both work... You don't need a toxin binder with MCP, it immobilizes

and binds... But, I would still use Glucomannan as it binds all kinds of toxins, not just metals.. Here is another doctor who thinks MCP is a good one..http://www.alsearsmd.com/natural-chelation/

Yes, your herx sounds like too much, so dropping to 10 seconds is good... Even if you don't herx much at 10, at least you will know you need to be between10 and 20 seconds at least for now.. The Coil is powerful, so respect this power..  And for now, just detox, detox, detox and I will say it again, water will

carry out more toxins from the body and quickly.. Just be sure it is distilled or filtered, not tap.. Hang in there,Jim

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Well jim, it was a great challenge and step forward in comp. technology for me.  really.  but i guess i can still learn.

my problem:  the extreme heat within my body is a little less today, and the attacks with increased heart pounding, headache, stomach issues, have calmed some also.  although, this evening, they are increasing, but they usually do in the evening.  i did  a colonic and c.e. yesterday.  wonder if that helped.

i am ordering the mcp and i have chlorela, but have to be careful because of constipation.  will the gluc. work as a  replacement for the algae type binder they suggest to be used with mcp?

this has been a really hard herx. heart had a hard time.  it feels like it was possibly the lyme.  not sure.  i did 20 sec. last (first) time.  should i reduce the time of coiling to lessen the 10 day herx?  or will a second 20 sec. coil be not as bad?

any suggestions?barbara

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, <Lyme_and_Rife-owner > wrote:

 

Hi Barbara,

You done did good! Next time, just enclose the (was) that makes it easyto see there is a change of topic..And thank you for doing this, let's hope others follow!!JimOT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? (was) MMS irritating th

>> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this> right. barbara> > >>>> " I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is

> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury> starting in childhood & my entire adult life. " > > >>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, "

> > > Hi Susie, Fifi> > reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head

> so i will try to explain it all coherently.

> > 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am> up to 9-12 drops a day. because i forget to take it i have gone to 3 drops

> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into> blood stream?> > 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal

> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i> have not returned to my 'normal'.> > 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and

> decided to move onto lyme.> > 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first> time, for 20 seconds.> > 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but

> have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.> > 6) also, i was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested

> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?> *> *> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

> > is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase

> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse> sweating.> > my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'

> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only

> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .> > this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took

> 6 months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.> > i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a

> while to clear. no detox then either.> > i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.> > i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would

> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is

> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have> posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your post on> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping

> at straws' here?> > hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?

> > at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this

> is physically.> > so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks> down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx. the feeling of

> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding, are reminiscent> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.> 

> *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear> some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?

> > barbara>

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Hi Barbara ,

For MS I come from it , it does not mimic lyme it is lyme just they failed to diagnose it because of the negative blood test until your immune syteme is able to produce enought antibody against lyme to be couted in the test.

I had the same thign you are feeling now and went to be paralysised legs then fingers partially

to where I am now with only a partially weak ascendant colon everythign else as far as paralysis is concerned is gone .

What took me out of my paralysi was a combination of a very thorought and time consuming . Bu tit worked

welchol before every meal up to 3 any other binder failed to do a good enought job

the coil machine increasing extremly slow I began at 5 seconds and stayed on it for 9 month before being able to increase 2 years later i am at 10 seconds (the emem di dnto do )

colonics 3time a week for 2 month then 2 time a week for 9 month plus the colema as much as needed

silver one cup per day for cup for 1year then 1/2cup since then

ozone iv or ozone vaginal or rectal insufflation every day for one year and half then every other day

the gerovital IM was doign very good for w hile bu twas not sufficiant

I tryed all the medecine of the earth it was the only one that did work for the paralysis for me and i fI would reduce or stopp only one of theses the paralysis were coming right back until 2 month ago as I have been getting better since too month in every area.

There is still something I di dnto mentioned in my list because it was so effective that I had to stopp as the herxeimer reaction was too severe. I began it again two month a ago a very tiny amount 2mn instead of 30mn

it is the radiac . Someone posted here and had completly healed completly from it as well as two personns he knew personnaly . With 2 mn now I can handle the herxeimer reaction . I have done it just 2 times since I tryed again . So I cannot be sure yet to post how effective it is but with theherx i get it canno tbe an other way to my opinion .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? was MMS irritating th

Hi Jim,

yes on the toxins. for yrs., there are times i have felt 'toxic' as there is no other way to explain the feeling. i'm thinking that because i never knew about detoxing until this last yr. it's kind of like i'm just starting treatment. so have to look at it like that instead of the last 12 yrs. more hopeful that way.i drink so much water it is getting expensive!!! so got that covered and covered again.

the valium is a wild care for sure. just no way to tell what affect it is having. i am down to 1/4 of a 5 mg. tab. i think that is 1.25 mg. so, almost done. so anxious i can hardly stand it. no convulsions lately, so maybe over those. just restless leg a lot. but that happens to all of us i believe.

i need to be more consistent on the gluc. i usually take at night, 2 hrs before the valium as i don't want them near each other. but i forget until bedtime, then can't take it. need to work on that. also, how many times a day? once enough, or more.

i haven't coiled lately as i want this to clear so i know what i'm dealing with. maybe next wk as it is clearing some.

i have been noticing something new though. i am having extreme weakness in my upper body. to the point of almost not able to lift my arms. i'v never had much upper body strength, but this is way beyond a strength issue. does this happen? i know this comes with ms, and one dr. considered it, but the mri showed no lesions. i checked ms symptoms and have 90% of them, but lyme mimics ms, or visa versa, so who knows.

an unbelievable note though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and this is truly unbelievable for me!!!!

after all the pushing you have done about magnesium, i have tried to increase the doses. i did a little research of my own also. found that our cells become acidic during the day and mag. cleans them out at night, healing them for the next days work--detox?? and so many other things. stress, muscles--heart is one--, anxiety, insomnia and on and on.

so, last night did a huge dose all over the front of me and all my arms and legs. waited an hour+ then showered and went to bed. i was very relaxed and sleepy. fell right to sleep, woke at 4, went back to sleep, woke at 7:30 but stayed in bed until 9, as usual. got up refreshed and with a lighter 'heart' attitude. AND not feeling so sick as i usually do. hmmmm. this is weird.

but the really weird part is that those 30 min. attacks i have had for over 10 yrs. without even one break didn't happen this morning. the only thing i felt slightly was a little stomach upset. in fact, it wasn't until 3 that i started to feel a little heart distress and a little warmth. it is 5:25 and they are just now starting to be a little uncomfortable.

lately, i have been concerned because during the attacks the pounding, racing, tight painful chest, hard to breath, drenching sweats, painful gut and nausea have been bad. i was wanting to give up again. BUT today, this is unbelievable. i have reapplied the mag. all over again this a.m. waited then showered, then did just my arms this afternoon.

SOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! what caused this break in the attacks????? magnesium????? nothing else has changed. any ideas?? if this is a result of the mag., i'm buying stock in the company!!

barbara

Hi Barbara,

We learn by doing!! Soon you will be a real techie on that 'puter... :-)

I still feel your symptoms are related to toxins.. At one point a few years back I felt so toxic, had terrible headaches, severe sweating and I told my wife

I just felt so toxic.. I just kept hitting my detox protocols, water is actually one of the best detoxers as it carries many toxins from our body... Then at

one point, I just felt better, still had headaches, but not as severe and the sweating was more normal.. this took months before I started to feel less toxic..

And that Valium detox is probably playing into this also..

Modified Citrus Pectin can be used with or without the alginate... The studies show both work... You don't need a toxin binder with MCP, it immobilizes

and binds... But, I would still use Glucomannan as it binds all kinds of toxins, not just metals.. Here is another doctor who thinks MCP is a good one..

http://www.alsearsmd.com/natural-chelation/

Yes, your herx sounds like too much, so dropping to 10 seconds is good... Even if you don't herx much at 10, at least you will know you need to be between

10 and 20 seconds at least for now.. The Coil is powerful, so respect this power.. And for now, just detox, detox, detox and I will say it again, water will

carry out more toxins from the body and quickly.. Just be sure it is distilled or filtered, not tap..

Hang in there,

Jim

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Well jim, it was a great challenge and step forward in comp. technology for me. really. but i guess i can still learn.

my problem: the extreme heat within my body is a little less today, and the attacks with increased heart pounding, headache, stomach issues, have calmed some also. although, this evening, they are increasing, but they usually do in the evening. i did a colonic and c.e. yesterday. wonder if that helped.

i am ordering the mcp and i have chlorela, but have to be careful because of constipation. will the gluc. work as a replacement for the algae type binder they suggest to be used with mcp?

this has been a really hard herx. heart had a hard time. it feels like it was possibly the lyme. not sure. i did 20 sec. last (first) time. should i reduce the time of coiling to lessen the 10 day herx? or will a second 20 sec. coil be not as bad?

any suggestions?

barbara

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:08 PM, <Lyme_and_Rife-owner > wrote:

Hi Barbara,You done did good! Next time, just enclose the (was) that makes it easyto see there is a change of topic..And thank you for doing this, let's hope others follow!!JimOT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? (was) MMS irritating th

>

> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this> right. barbara> > >>>>" I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury> starting in childhood & my entire adult life."> > >>>>"Feeling mercury "redistribute" in the body is pretty icky,"> > > Hi Susie, Fifi> > reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head> so i will try to explain it all coherently.> > 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am> up to 9-12 drops a day. because i forget to take

it i have gone to 3 drops> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into> blood stream?> > 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i> have not returned to my 'normal'.> > 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and> decided to move onto lyme.> > 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first> time, for 20 seconds.> > 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but> have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.> > 6) also, i

was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?> *> *> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

> > is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse> sweating.> > my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .> > this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took> 6

months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.> > i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a> while to clear. no detox then either.> > i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.> > i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have> posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your

post on> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping> at straws' here?> > hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?> > at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this> is physically.> > so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks> down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx. the feeling of> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding,

are reminiscent> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.> > *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear

> some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?> > barbara>

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Maire,thanks for the response.  i agree, it is lyme, as probably is fms, cfs and many more.  my legs are also very weak.  my insides feel weak and shakey also.  my handwriting sometimes is weird, smaller, shakier looking.  hard to do some of the letters.  while other times it almost seems normal. changes.  when i went through abx, there were a few times where i tried to get up and lost all strength and had to lay in bed for half the day.  that changed and i got a little better, but now seems like the weakness is increasing and expanding.  

have tried welchol and it bound me up so badly because of my immobility in the gut.  i'm going glucommanan but i know not enough.  did you try the gluc?i have just started the lyme coiling.  i did the 20 sec, but herx lasted too long, so need to back it up.  i'll start with the 5 sec. as you did.

dumb question.  what is the difference between the colema and colonic?is that colloidal silver?  does it not make the lyme encyst?  what about mms instead??

i am totally unfamiliar with ozone.  how do i go about getting this.  any links or info. what is the 

gerovital IM .  shots requiring a dr?on last question is what is  radiac?

thanks for any info you can give me.  i think you are the only one that i have heard have this weakness issue.

barbara

 

Hi Barbara ,

For MS I come from it , it does not mimic lyme it is lyme just they failed to diagnose it because of the negative blood test until your immune syteme is able to produce enought antibody against lyme to be couted in the test.

I had the same thign you are feeling now and went to be paralysised legs then fingers partially

to where I am now with only a partially weak ascendant colon everythign else as far as paralysis is concerned is gone .

What took me out of my paralysi was a combination of a very thorought and time consuming . Bu tit worked

 

welchol before every meal up to 3 any other binder failed to do a good enought job

 

the coil machine increasing extremly slow I began at 5 seconds and stayed on it for 9 month before being able to increase 2 years later i am at 10 seconds (the emem di dnto do )

colonics 3time a week for 2 month then 2 time a week for 9 month plus the colema as much as needed

 

silver one cup per day for  cup for 1year then 1/2cup since then

 

ozone iv or ozone vaginal or rectal insufflation every day for one year and half then every other day

 

the gerovital IM was doign very good for w hile bu twas not sufficiant

I tryed all the medecine of the earth it was the only one that did work for the paralysis for me and i fI would reduce or stopp only one of theses the paralysis were coming right back until 2 month ago as I have been getting better since too month in every area.

 

There is still something I di dnto mentioned in my list because it was so effective that I had to stopp as the herxeimer reaction was too severe. I began it again two month a ago a very tiny amount 2mn instead of 30mn

it is the radiac . Someone posted here and had completly healed completly from it as well as two personns he knew personnaly . With 2 mn now I can handle the herxeimer reaction . I have done it just 2 times since I tryed again . So I cannot be sure yet to post how effective it is but with theherx i get it canno tbe an other way to my opinion .

 

Kindly Marie 

 

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: Re: OT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? was MMS irritating th

 

Hi Jim,

yes on the toxins.  for yrs., there are times i have felt 'toxic' as there is no other way to explain the feeling.  i'm thinking that because i never knew about detoxing until this last yr. it's kind of like i'm just starting treatment.  so have to look at it like that instead of the last 12 yrs.  more hopeful that way.

i drink so much water it is getting expensive!!!  so got that covered and covered again.

the valium is a wild care for sure.  just no way to tell what affect it is having. i am down to 1/4 of a 5 mg. tab.  i think that is 1.25 mg.  so, almost done.  so anxious i can hardly stand it.  no convulsions lately, so maybe over those.  just restless leg a lot.  but that happens to all of us i believe.

i need to be more consistent on the gluc.  i usually take at night, 2 hrs before the valium as i don't want them near each other.  but i forget until bedtime, then can't take it.  need to work on that.  also, how many times a day?  once enough, or more.

i haven't coiled lately as i want this to clear so i know what i'm dealing with.  maybe next wk as it is clearing some.  

i have been noticing something new though.  i am having extreme weakness in my upper body.  to the point of almost not able to lift my arms.  i'v never had much upper body strength, but this is way beyond a strength issue.  does this happen?  i know this comes with ms, and one dr. considered it, but the mri showed no lesions.  i checked ms symptoms and have 90% of them, but lyme mimics ms, or visa versa, so who knows.  

an unbelievable note though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and this is truly unbelievable for me!!!!

after all the pushing you have done about magnesium, i have tried to increase the doses.  i did a little research of my own also.  found that our cells become acidic during the day and mag. cleans them out at night, healing them for the next days work--detox??  and so many other things.  stress, muscles--heart is one--, anxiety, insomnia and on and on.

so, last night did a huge dose all over the front of me and all my arms and legs.  waited an hour+ then showered and went to bed.  i was very relaxed and sleepy.  fell right to sleep, woke at 4, went back to sleep, woke at 7:30 but stayed in bed until 9, as usual.  got up refreshed and with a lighter 'heart' attitude.  AND not feeling so sick as i usually do.  hmmmm.  this is weird.

but the really weird part is that those 30 min. attacks i have had for over 10 yrs. without even one break didn't happen this morning.  the only thing i felt slightly was a little stomach upset.  in  fact, it wasn't until 3 that i started to feel a little heart distress and a little warmth.  it is 5:25 and they are just now starting to be a little uncomfortable.

lately, i have been concerned because during the attacks the pounding, racing, tight painful chest, hard to breath, drenching sweats, painful gut and nausea have been bad.  i was wanting to give up again.  BUT today, this is unbelievable.  i have reapplied the mag. all over again this a.m. waited then showered, then did just my arms this afternoon.  

SOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!   what caused this break in the attacks?????   magnesium?????   nothing else has changed.  any ideas??  if this is a result of the mag., i'm buying stock in the company!!

barbara

 

Hi Barbara,

We learn by doing!! Soon you will be a real techie on that 'puter... :-)

I still feel your symptoms are related to toxins.. At one point a few years back I felt so toxic, had terrible headaches, severe sweating and I told my wife

I just felt so toxic.. I just kept hitting my detox protocols, water is actually one of the best detoxers as it carries many toxins from our body... Then at

one point, I just felt better, still had headaches, but not as severe and the sweating was more normal.. this took months before I started to feel less toxic..

And that Valium detox is probably playing into this also.. 

Modified Citrus Pectin can be used with or without the alginate... The studies show both work... You don't need a toxin binder with MCP, it immobilizes

and binds... But, I would still use Glucomannan as it binds all kinds of toxins, not just metals.. Here is another doctor who thinks MCP is a good one..

http://www.alsearsmd.com/natural-chelation/

Yes, your herx sounds like too much, so dropping to 10 seconds is good... Even if you don't herx much at 10, at least you will know you need to be between

10 and 20 seconds at least for now.. The Coil is powerful, so respect this power..  And for now, just detox, detox, detox and I will say it again, water will

carry out more toxins from the body and quickly.. Just be sure it is distilled or filtered, not tap.. 

Hang in there,

Jim

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Well jim, it was a great challenge and step forward in comp. technology for me.  really.  but i guess i can still learn.

my problem:  the extreme heat within my body is a little less today, and the attacks with increased heart pounding, headache, stomach issues, have calmed some also.  although, this evening, they are increasing, but they usually do in the evening.  i did  a colonic and c.e. yesterday.  wonder if that helped.

i am ordering the mcp and i have chlorela, but have to be careful because of constipation.  will the gluc. work as a  replacement for the algae type binder they suggest to be used with mcp?

this has been a really hard herx. heart had a hard time.  it feels like it was possibly the lyme.  not sure.  i did 20 sec. last (first) time.  should i reduce the time of coiling to lessen the 10 day herx?  or will a second 20 sec. coil be not as bad?

any suggestions?

barbara

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Hi Barbara,You done did good! Next time, just enclose the (was) that makes it easyto see there is a change of topic..And thank you for doing this, let's hope others follow!!Jim

OT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? (was) MMS irritating th

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> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this> right. barbara> > >>>> " I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury> starting in childhood & my entire adult life. " > > >>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, " > > > Hi Susie, Fifi> > reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head> so i will try to explain it all coherently.> > 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am> up to 9-12 drops a day. because i forget to take

it i have gone to 3 drops> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into> blood stream?> > 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i> have not returned to my 'normal'.> > 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and> decided to move onto lyme.> > 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first> time, for 20 seconds.> > 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but> have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.> > 6) also, i

was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?

> *> *> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

> > is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse> sweating.> > my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .> > this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took> 6

months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.> > i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a> while to clear. no detox then either.> > i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.> > i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have> posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your

post on> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping> at straws' here?> > hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?> > at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this> is physically.> > so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks> down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx. the feeling of> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding,

are reminiscent> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.> > *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear

> some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?> > barbara>

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Maire,so what you are saying is that killing the lyme and massive detox is what is reversing the ms for you?if i am treating for the lyme, with the coil and mms and then detoxing with mcp, glucammanan, essiac tea would this be a sufficient program?  also, there is no way i can go in for professional colonics. we live too far out.  i use the hot water bottle for a high enema.  it holds 2 qts of water and know i get into the ascending  colon as i can feel water sloshing around in there when i massage the stomach/gut area. i could fill it twice, that would be 1 gal. of water.  then i can do a coffee enema.  

marie, would this work?  as this is what i have available and is workable for me now.i have tried the welcol and the other one and they just bind me up so it seems counter productive. i love prunes/juice but have to be careful because of candida.  the gluc doesn't bother the constipation as much.  i would have to increase it though, i know.  jim said he takes 3, 3x day.  

i could also push and do the high enemas daily, filling it twice.  then a coffee enema.i am also starting to take lecithin for the nerve repair.  as soon as i'm off the valium, in maybe 2 mos, i will resume high vit. b. intake (vit. b makes the withdrawal symptoms worse so haven't been able to use it since last april).  i will also try and do the shots, if i can get the serum, as i have before and do my own shots. any other supps/vit?

is this enough?  if not, maybe one or two others is about all i think i can deal with now.babara

 

Continuing to answer Barbara,

 

No I di dnot try yet glucomman it was the last binder to try for me I was tyred to try and then get worse so I kept on welchol as I needed resting from the naxiyty of agravating from an other trial . So I cannot say if it is better or not than welchol . I just know that for me cholestyramine di dnto work when the welchol did work . an dth eother naturals binders did nto work for the parapysi sexcept for welchol for me .

 

and the silver is home made colloidal silver from silvergen I bought the silver ppm meter hopefully as I had diffculty to fidn adequate distilled water so I bought also a distiller .

 

gerovital are intramuscular shuts it needs a prescritpion .  it was to began with 5cc for 3 consecutive dasy  as a preparation for the stem cell implantation then 5cc , 3time a week ( I went in contact with this Dct for placenta stem cells stem cells _ after the birth of the baby perfectly ethical -.  talking about this incase of you are trapped by time . the steme cell bought me time my paralysis svanished in 2 hours !!! but with the next cycle of lyme coming up after 3 weeks thought I began to degradate again . The Doctor told me that it does not work in case of infection it did work but temporary .  I tryed an other time 6 month later in despair bu tthe sedon time it did absolutly nothing the infection was probably too advanced at this time or may be the stem cellas were not as vigourous as I asked to go before they could get new one ( i

wouldnot have been able to travel later and they took an emergency bottle they were keeping that was not from the same day as they preferes to do normally becasue I insited to comeimmediatly they did not want to do so bu tI had no choice .

after a while I went to 33cc /3time a week becasue of heart issues then 2 cc /3 times a week . since one year I just tak eit once in a whil and just the pills I take now just 1/4 of a pill when I need moslty for stress or to give me a kick of energy .

 

the shut requires a prescrition but the shutt I did it myself as I am a nurse in France . Soon for convineience i did it subcuttaneously and it worked .

 

Barbara the reis nto such a thing as a dumb question here and we cann ask as many time as we need as well everybdy knows here that we have brain fog up to ancephalitis it is already pretty good that we fight as we do helping each other withotu thinking that we ask dumb question

 

remmeber I do nto give any advise I share what I did for mysefl and that worked for me .

 

KIndly Marie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 2:42 PM

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Maire,

thanks for the response.  i agree, it is lyme, as probably is fms, cfs and many more.  my legs are also very weak.  my insides feel weak and shakey also.  my handwriting sometimes is weird, smaller, shakier looking.  hard to do some of the letters.  while other times it almost seems normal. changes.  when i went through abx, there were a few times where i tried to get up and lost all strength and had to lay in bed for half the day.  that changed and i got a little better, but now seems like the weakness is increasing and expanding.  

have tried welchol and it bound me up so badly because of my immobility in the gut.  i'm going glucommanan but i know not enough.  did you try the gluc?i have just started the lyme coiling.  i did the 20 sec, but herx lasted too long, so need to back it up.  i'll start with the 5 sec. as you did.

dumb question.  what is the difference between the colema and colonic?

is that colloidal silver?  does it not make the lyme encyst?  what about mms instead??

i am totally unfamiliar with ozone.  how do i go about getting this.  any links or info. 

what is the  gerovital IM .  shots requiring a dr?

on last question is what is  radiac?

thanks for any info you can give me.  i think you are the only one that i have heard have this weakness issue.

barbara

 

Hi Barbara ,

For MS I come from it , it does not mimic lyme it is lyme just they failed to diagnose it because of the negative blood test until your immune syteme is able to produce enought antibody against lyme to be couted in the test.

I had the same thign you are feeling now and went to be paralysised legs then fingers partially

to where I am now with only a partially weak ascendant colon everythign else as far as paralysis is concerned is gone .

What took me out of my paralysi was a combination of a very thorought and time consuming . Bu tit worked

 

welchol before every meal up to 3 any other binder failed to do a good enought job

 

the coil machine increasing extremly slow I began at 5 seconds and stayed on it for 9 month before being able to increase 2 years later i am at 10 seconds (the emem di dnto do )

colonics 3time a week for 2 month then 2 time a week for 9 month plus the colema as much as needed

 

silver one cup per day for  cup for 1year then 1/2cup since then

 

ozone iv or ozone vaginal or rectal insufflation every day for one year and half then every other day

 

the gerovital IM was doign very good for w hile bu twas not sufficiant

I tryed all the medecine of the earth it was the only one that did work for the paralysis for me and i fI would reduce or stopp only one of theses the paralysis were coming right back until 2 month ago as I have been getting better since too month in every area.

 

There is still something I di dnto mentioned in my list because it was so effective that I had to stopp as the herxeimer reaction was too severe. I began it again two month a ago a very tiny amount 2mn instead of 30mn

it is the radiac . Someone posted here and had completly healed completly from it as well as two personns he knew personnaly . With 2 mn now I can handle the herxeimer reaction . I have done it just 2 times since I tryed again . So I cannot be sure yet to post how effective it is but with theherx i get it canno tbe an other way to my opinion .

 

Kindly Marie 

 

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 8:36 PM

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Hi Jim,

yes on the toxins.  for yrs., there are times i have felt 'toxic' as there is no other way to explain the feeling.  i'm thinking that because i never knew about detoxing until this last yr. it's kind of like i'm just starting treatment.  so have to look at it like that instead of the last 12 yrs.  more hopeful that way.

i drink so much water it is getting expensive!!!  so got that covered and covered again.

the valium is a wild care for sure.  just no way to tell what affect it is having. i am down to 1/4 of a 5 mg. tab.  i think that is 1.25 mg.  so, almost done.  so anxious i can hardly stand it.  no convulsions lately, so maybe over those.  just restless leg a lot.  but that happens to all of us i believe.

i need to be more consistent on the gluc.  i usually take at night, 2 hrs before the valium as i don't want them near each other.  but i forget until bedtime, then can't take it.  need to work on that.  also, how many times a day?  once enough, or more.

i haven't coiled lately as i want this to clear so i know what i'm dealing with.  maybe next wk as it is clearing some.  

i have been noticing something new though.  i am having extreme weakness in my upper body.  to the point of almost not able to lift my arms.  i'v never had much upper body strength, but this is way beyond a strength issue.  does this happen?  i know this comes with ms, and one dr. considered it, but the mri showed no lesions.  i checked ms symptoms and have 90% of them, but lyme mimics ms, or visa versa, so who knows.  

an unbelievable note though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and this is truly unbelievable for me!!!!

after all the pushing you have done about magnesium, i have tried to increase the doses.  i did a little research of my own also.  found that our cells become acidic during the day and mag. cleans them out at night, healing them for the next days work--detox??  and so many other things.  stress, muscles--heart is one--, anxiety, insomnia and on and on.

so, last night did a huge dose all over the front of me and all my arms and legs.  waited an hour+ then showered and went to bed.  i was very relaxed and sleepy.  fell right to sleep, woke at 4, went back to sleep, woke at 7:30 but stayed in bed until 9, as usual.  got up refreshed and with a lighter 'heart' attitude.  AND not feeling so sick as i usually do.  hmmmm.  this is weird.

but the really weird part is that those 30 min. attacks i have had for over 10 yrs. without even one break didn't happen this morning.  the only thing i felt slightly was a little stomach upset.  in  fact, it wasn't until 3 that i started to feel a little heart distress and a little warmth.  it is 5:25 and they are just now starting to be a little uncomfortable.

lately, i have been concerned because during the attacks the pounding, racing, tight painful chest, hard to breath, drenching sweats, painful gut and nausea have been bad.  i was wanting to give up again.  BUT today, this is unbelievable.  i have reapplied the mag. all over again this a.m. waited then showered, then did just my arms this afternoon.  

SOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!   what caused this break in the attacks?????   magnesium?????   nothing else has changed.  any ideas??  if this is a result of the mag., i'm buying stock in the company!!

barbara

 

Hi Barbara,

We learn by doing!! Soon you will be a real techie on that 'puter... :-)

I still feel your symptoms are related to toxins.. At one point a few years back I felt so toxic, had terrible headaches, severe sweating and I told my wife

I just felt so toxic.. I just kept hitting my detox protocols, water is actually one of the best detoxers as it carries many toxins from our body... Then at

one point, I just felt better, still had headaches, but not as severe and the sweating was more normal.. this took months before I started to feel less toxic..

And that Valium detox is probably playing into this also.. 

Modified Citrus Pectin can be used with or without the alginate... The studies show both work... You don't need a toxin binder with MCP, it immobilizes

and binds... But, I would still use Glucomannan as it binds all kinds of toxins, not just metals.. Here is another doctor who thinks MCP is a good one..

http://www.alsearsmd.com/natural-chelation/

Yes, your herx sounds like too much, so dropping to 10 seconds is good... Even if you don't herx much at 10, at least you will know you need to be between

10 and 20 seconds at least for now.. The Coil is powerful, so respect this power..  And for now, just detox, detox, detox and I will say it again, water will

carry out more toxins from the body and quickly.. Just be sure it is distilled or filtered, not tap.. 

Hang in there,

Jim

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Well jim, it was a great challenge and step forward in comp. technology for me.  really.  but i guess i can still learn.

my problem:  the extreme heat within my body is a little less today, and the attacks with increased heart pounding, headache, stomach issues, have calmed some also.  although, this evening, they are increasing, but they usually do in the evening.  i did  a colonic and c.e. yesterday.  wonder if that helped.

i am ordering the mcp and i have chlorela, but have to be careful because of constipation.  will the gluc. work as a  replacement for the algae type binder they suggest to be used with mcp?

this has been a really hard herx. heart had a hard time.  it feels like it was possibly the lyme.  not sure.  i did 20 sec. last (first) time.  should i reduce the time of coiling to lessen the 10 day herx?  or will a second 20 sec. coil be not as bad?

any suggestions?

barbara

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Hi Barbara,You done did good! Next time, just enclose the (was) that makes it easyto see there is a change of topic..And thank you for doing this, let's hope others follow!!JimOT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? (was) MMS irritating th

>

> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this> right. barbara> > >>>> " I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury> starting in childhood & my entire adult life. " > > >>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, " > > > Hi Susie, Fifi> > reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head> so i will try to explain it all coherently.> > 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am> up to 9-12

drops a day. because i forget to take it i have gone to 3 drops> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into> blood stream?> > 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i> have not returned to my 'normal'.> > 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and> decided to move onto lyme.> > 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first> time, for 20 seconds.> > 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but> have been doing this

for a yr--nothing new or different.> > 6) also, i was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?

> *> *> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

> > is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse> sweating.> > my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .> > this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too

aggressively and it took> 6 months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.> > i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a> while to clear. no detox then either.> > i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.> > i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have>

posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your post on> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping> at straws' here?> > hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?> > at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this> is physically.> > so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks> down, as their intensity always seem to

represent a herx. the feeling of> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding, are reminiscent> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.> 

> *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear > some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?> > barbara>