OT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? was MMS irritating the bladder...or annoying the spirochetes in the bladder?

[Guest guest]

this is my first time changing the subject and posting.  hope i did this right.  barbara

>>>> "  I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury starting in childhood & my entire adult life. "

>>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, "  

Hi Susie, Fifi

reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this also has a reference to mms.  these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head so i will try to explain it all coherently. 

1)  usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to 'normal'--whatever that was.  i've been using mms for some time now and am up to 9-12 drops a day.  because i forget to take it i have gone to 3 drops at a time to get more in.  seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall asleep.  wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into blood stream?

2)  almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal herx,  we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv.  after the candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i have not returned to my 'normal'.  

3)  had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and decided to move onto lyme.

4)  about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first time, for 20 seconds. 

5)  i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.

6)  also, i was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested 'ok'.    was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?

so, to recap:  mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering.  

is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?'   i feel like i am still in a herx.  always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety, air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse sweating.  

my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating.  i am  'wet' with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).  the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding, desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but  this all only happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) . 

 this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took 6 months to clear the herx.  but we didn't know about detox then either.

i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar, but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a while to clear. no detox then either.

i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce.  essiac tea, glucammanon, constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.

i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme.  would coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much?  i don't detox well. i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine).  but it is getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks.  i know i have posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your post on mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping at straws' here?

hmmm, just thinking.  right before, or really close to all this, i experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not experienced for yrs..  hard to sleep with it.  spring flare?

 at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally.  this is physically.

so, any suggestions?  is the mercury a significant player here possibly. i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx.  the feeling of excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding, are reminiscent of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart, babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.

so, here is the great ?:  should i wait a little while to try and clear some more toxins?  treat again for lyme and see what happens?  try the candida coiling again and see what happens?  take my toys and go home?

barbara

[Guest guest]

So sorry, Barbara, but I'll have to defer to someone like Jim who has more

experience with the concurrent issues you mentioned. I know it's not helpful

that mercury shares symptoms with other toxins, but it feels like that may be at

the bottom of your hit list with all the challenges you have at the moment.

Take care,

Fifi

>

> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this

> right. barbara

>

> >>>> " I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is

> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury

> starting in childhood & my entire adult life. "

>

> >>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, "

>

>

> Hi Susie, Fifi

>

> reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this

> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head

> so i will try to explain it all coherently.

>

> 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to

> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am

> up to 9-12 drops a day. because i forget to take it i have gone to 3 drops

> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall

> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into

> blood stream?

>

> 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal

> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the

> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i

> have not returned to my 'normal'.

>

> 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and

> decided to move onto lyme.

>

> 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first

> time, for 20 seconds.

>

> 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but

> have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.

>

> 6) also, i was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age

> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested

> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?

> *

> *

> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for

> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

>

> is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still

> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase

> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,

> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse

> sweating.

>

> my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'

> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).

> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,

> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only

> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .

>

> this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up

> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took

> 6 months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.

>

> i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,

> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a

> while to clear. no detox then either.

>

> i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,

> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.

>

> i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would

> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.

> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with

> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is

> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have

> posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your post on

> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping

> at straws' here?

>

> hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i

> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not

> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?

>

> at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at

> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some

> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this

> is physically.

>

> so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.

> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks

> down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx. the feeling of

> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding, are reminiscent

> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,

> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.

>

> *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear

> some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the

> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?

>

> barbara

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara,

You done did good! Next time, just enclose the (was) that makes it easy

to see there is a change of topic..

And thank you for doing this, let's hope others follow!!

Jim

OT herx continues, maybe mercury from killing? (was) MMS irritating th

>

> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this

> right. barbara

>

> >>>> " I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is

> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury

> starting in childhood & my entire adult life. "

>

> >>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, "

>

>

> Hi Susie, Fifi

>

> reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this

> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head

> so i will try to explain it all coherently.

>

> 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to

> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am

> up to 9-12 drops a day. because i forget to take it i have gone to 3 drops

> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall

> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into

> blood stream?

>

> 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal

> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the

> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i

> have not returned to my 'normal'.

>

> 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and

> decided to move onto lyme.

>

> 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first

> time, for 20 seconds.

>

> 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but

> have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.

>

> 6) also, i was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age

> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested

> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?

> *

> *

> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for

> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

>

> is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still

> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase

> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,

> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse

> sweating.

>

> my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'

> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).

> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,

> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only

> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .

>

> this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up

> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took

> 6 months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.

>

> i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,

> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a

> while to clear. no detox then either.

>

> i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,

> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.

>

> i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would

> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.

> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with

> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is

> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have

> posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your post on

> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping

> at straws' here?

>

> hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i

> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not

> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?

>

> at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at

> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some

> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this

> is physically.

>

> so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.

> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks

> down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx. the feeling of

> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding, are reminiscent

> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,

> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.

>

> *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear

> some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the

> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?

>

> barbara

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara, I haven't read this full thread, but here's my two cents on your

situation.

This month for me has had a very strong monthly moon flare. That might account

for some of your symptoms. From what someone posted about the moon cycle, next

month could be worse. Check the calendar to see how it might fit for you.

About mercury, in my experience yes it is very attached to the bugs and gets

released with the treatment. I've been treating mercury toxicity for years

without being able to make much of a dent in it. It appears I have made a great

leap forward this past year while coiling. My LLMD's position has always been

that the killing and chelating need to be done together--back and forth between

the two. That seems to have been the case for me. While coiling I have noticed

what seemed to be more release of mercury. Since I muscle test myself, I

noticed that I seemed to be needing more chelator/more frequently. My doctor

said I could do it more often, which I did.

Two years ago my mercury levels were way off the charts--scary levels. That is

in spite of treatment of it for 7-8 years already. Partly this level showing up

was because I was starting to move it better. That was due to figuring out my

methylation issues and supporting that area much better.

Even so, my LLMD was extremely impressed with the progress I made in the past

year since I started coiling. A year ago my level of mercury was something like

15-20, two years ago it was over 30 as I recall. This year it was 1.5 (under 4

is considered " normal " ). He told me that I am not finished yet, just that the

mercury is out of the more readily accessible areas. So I have added a second

chelator which will assist to move it out of the harder to get areas. I notice

I can't do this too often. I take enzyme with the chelator and then do my

coiling an hour after that, followed by binders, lots of detox and extra

potassium (my chelator pulls out potassium). Extra water, etc.

One final piece that you could consider, is making sure your mineral and

electrolyte levels are adequate. This is very important for detoxing the

mercury, and may also be important for coiling effectivenss (just my personal

experience), and for detox in general. I personally need at least a minimum of

1/4 teaspoon of sea salt, and 30 MeQ of potassium every day, plus I take

magnesium by injection. I recently had a herx start and set in for weeks--it

was herx/flare, or whatever and I couldn't figure out what was going on. It

turned out to be salt deficiency (in my transition back and forth to the USA I

had stopped adding sea salt to my drinking water.) Once I corrected that, I

started a consistent upward trajectory and am back to at least where I was

before all that started in January if not better. I'm now taking the salt with

C, like a salt/C protocol and may continue to build that up over time.

Sherry

>

> this is my first time changing the subject and posting. hope i did this

> right. barbara

>

> >>>> " I am thinking that maybe the reason I can't take bigger doses is

> because of the mercury in my body. My mouth was loaded with mercury

> starting in childhood & my entire adult life. "

>

> >>>> " Feeling mercury " redistribute " in the body is pretty icky, "

>

>

> Hi Susie, Fifi

>

> reading what you are saying re: mercury and i have some questions. this

> also has a reference to mms. these questions seem 'jumbled up' in my head

> so i will try to explain it all coherently.

>

> 1) usually with a herx i can tell when it subsides and i return to

> 'normal'--whatever that was. i've been using mms for some time now and am

> up to 9-12 drops a day. because i forget to take it i have gone to 3 drops

> at a time to get more in. seem to handle that ok, but i also want to fall

> asleep. wonder if i have killed gut bugs and now more is getting into

> blood stream?

>

> 2) almost 4 wks ago, i had coiled for candida and got a larger than normal

> herx, we believe it hit something else, maybe ebv. after the

> candida herx, i seemed to see a decline in the herx, however, since then, i

> have not returned to my 'normal'.

>

> 3) had stopped coiling for barb and babs as i was again plateauing and

> decided to move onto lyme.

>

> 4) about 2 wks after the candida coiling, i coiled for lyme for the first

> time, for 20 seconds.

>

> 5) i am also tapering off valium, which can cause herx like symptoms, but

> have been doing this for a yr--nothing new or different.

>

> 6) also, i was filled with amalgam from early age, but since middle age

> all the silver is gone and crowned. when tested for heavy metal, i tested

> 'ok'. was the lyme 'hiding' the mercury?

> *

> *

> *so, to recap:* * mms, coiled for candida, maybe hit ebv, coiled for

> lyme, had lots of mercury in early life, valium tappering*.

>

> is this enough to cause not returning to 'normal?' i feel like i am still

> in a herx. always, during a herx, one of my main symptoms is an increase

> in those attacks i get every 30 min. i have listed several times: anxiety,

> air hunger, nausea (stomach distress), heart pounding, and profuse

> sweating.

>

> my body feels like it is cooking inside during the sweating. i am 'wet'

> with the sweat (prior to this i had gotten the attacks down to tolerable).

> the other symptoms have also intensified, including head pounding,

> desperate to lye down, my heart/chest pounds/hurts ( but this all only

> happens during the attacks, every 30 min.--nothing in between) .

>

> this is how i felt in 05 when i did doxy and flagyl, and my bp went way up

> and they discontinued treatment. they treated too aggressively and it took

> 6 months to clear the herx. but we didn't know about detox then either.

>

> i did some colloidal silver iv's a couple yrs ago, and experienced similar,

> but less intense herx (because i quite after 4 treatments) that took a

> while to clear. no detox then either.

>

> i am doing enemas/colonic, with intermittent ce. essiac tea, glucammanon,

> constantly drinking water. am looking into more for mercury.

>

> i have read many times about mercury problems while killing lyme. would

> coiling 20 seconds 10 days ago for lyme do this much? i don't detox well.

> i was having problems before i coiled for the lyme, it seemed to start with

> the candida treatment (which i have done before and was fine). but it is

> getting worse now, not better with some of the attacks. i know i have

> posted for this several times, but now wondering, as i read your post on

> mercury, if i have more mercury than i tested for. or am i just 'grasping

> at straws' here?

>

> hmmm, just thinking. right before, or really close to all this, i

> experience several days of intense pain all over that i have not

> experienced for yrs.. hard to sleep with it. spring flare?

>

> at that point i was only coiling for bart and babs, and they both were at

> a point of not feeling herxes, as i had been coiling for them for some

> time, again, and plateauing. bart usually hits me mental/emotionally. this

> is physically.

>

> so, any suggestions? is the mercury a significant player here possibly.

> i'm cautious to treat again until i can get the intensity of these attacks

> down, as their intensity always seem to represent a herx. the feeling of

> excessive internal heat, along with heart racing, pounding, are reminiscent

> of the doxy/flagy treatment--which could have been from killing lyme, bart,

> babs, ebv, myco & chlamydia ph.

>

> *so, here is the great ?*: should i wait a little while to try and clear

> some more toxins? treat again for lyme and see what happens? try the

> candida coiling again and see what happens? take my toys and go home?

>

> barbara

>