Re: Am I herxing??

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Hi,welcome to bart herx.  the anxiety is definitely bart.  sounds like the rifing accumulated and you have reached the point where you are herxing.  i often get light headed with the herx.  i have also had the symptoms last a short time and then fade.  as i increased the time and decreased the spacing of treatments it would last longer.  fatigue is also something i experienced, along with stomach issues.  but that is me and you may not experience the same thing.  with bart, i also had a combactic/argumentive feeling, irritable, anger, and a little crazy at times.  for me it was neuro, and i have heard many describe the same.  also, my llmd said there can be aggressive anger with the herx of bart and babs.  

so yes, sounds like you are on the right track for killing bart.your goal will be to get to 2x a day with at least 2 min. on every spot.  you may need to slowly work up to that, but only at, at least treating 1x day, will you be just keeping up with their growth.  treating 2x a day will put you at gaining on the bugs. 

be sure to get a good detox protocol in place to avoid the bad herx and also so you can increase the rife time.  jim has all the detox info for you.barbara 

 

I started using my coil 2 weeks ago. I have started Really really slowly. 1st day on abdomen for a mere 10 secs. 2 time one week later on back 10 secs, 3rd time 5 days later on back for 15 secs. 4th time yesterday on back for 30 secs. I did not have a noticable reaction with the first 3 times but after yesterday I felt lightheaded (more than usual) and some prickly skin sensations (have had that many times). This lasted about an hour than I felt fine. TODAY, my lightheadedness is much worse and I feel really anxious from it. I definitely feel bad (worse than usual). I can't help but wonder if the EMFs themselves are potentially an issue. Not just the die off reaction. I have been using 832 for bart.

Any ideas? Or is this just the way it can be with a herx? SOmehow I thought I would feel more flu like. This is just my most hated symptoms magnified 10x.

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Thanks for the info. How long did you rife for bart before you could get up to 2x/day? Also, when you say 2min per area/2x a day, how many areas is that. Honestly, I am quit small and when placing the coil on my back it pretty much covers my whole back. Also, according to the coil will penetrate a good 6 inches (power getting less and less of course) and I am probably 6-7 inches in depth from back to front. I imagine doing the neck/head eventually. Did you ever get weird prickly feeling skin? Oh yes, am very irritable/angry. I do feel that the lyme has really just removed my "filter". I am actually acknowledging and expressing what I have really wanted to do and say for years. Perhaps my wording

could be nicer but really I have come to terms with some deep emotional issues that I am just allowing to bubble up to the surface. In the long run I see this aspect of lyme as being benefical. I am in therapy (an alternative one). She has worked with a number of Lyme pts.

Also, I guess one should not wait for a herx to resolve before going again? I can't imagine coiling again until this ends. I have to function/drive kids etc. It seems to me that as long as I am killing (and it may take months and months for just Bart) I am accomplishing more than I did in the last two years of doing nothing. Thanks again.

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,i worked on bart and babs for over 2 yrs.  i would get them to no herx, treat, then quit.  they would return.  did this 3x.  finally, a couple people shared that the lyme could be preventing me from getting all the bart/babs, so i quit and am now starting on lyme. bart is hard for some to get ride of.  but don't be discouraged because we are all different. i don't detox well.  but like you said, working on this is better than doing nothing.

i have found that you need more than one killing protocol at a time.  i chose mms to add to the coil.  also, detox is the absolute key.  as i look at my history, not knowing about aggressive detox, i wasn't able to get rid of the toxins, possibly interfering with complete treatment.  so, if you don't know about detoxing, post for jim to give you all the info on that.  or maybe jim will just jump i here. also info on mms if you want.

i can't remember how long it took to get to 2 min 2x day.  you should move up as fast as you can without getting too bad a herx.  and if you have kids and other responsibilities, you may have to go slower.  i am small like you and not very 'deep' and also figured i was treating both sides at once in most of the body part.  it took me two treatment in the morning and two at night to get in the minutes to cover everywhere, because the coil would heat up.  is it alex's machine that the coil keeps cooler??  that would help.  sometimes, being thin, i would just treat one side of  an area, knowing both sides were reached.  also, i have two coils to my machine so i could use one, then exchange and use the other.  helped with time.

what i did, again, because i was thin, is i would treat the front first.  that way if something interfered with time and i couldn't get back until evening, at least i 'almost' treated everything.  although, i tried not to rely on that.  when i treated my gut, i would bring my legs up so that i treated the top/front of the legs while treating that side of the gut.  also, under my arm got my side and upper arm.  don't forget inside of thighs, put coil flat against armpit, sit on it, and try to not hit the exact same spot each time.  i got the same areas, but from a little different angle, or a couple inches this way or that.  you will find ways to 'catch' every inch.  same with the back side.  one time i go down the back on each side of the spine, then the next time down the spine.  lucky to be that thin, easier.  

yes, don't forget the head, top, face, back, sides.  i got the side by coiling the top of my shoulder then bending my neck and putting my ear as close to the coil as possible.  do face as it sets on your knees as they are pulled up against you.  tricks like that to cover more areas.  

it is suggested to do 5 min. on the stomach area, then 2 everywhere else.  so, i did 1 min on each lower stomach (l & r) with knees drawn up, then upper stomach with knees drawn up, then one in the middle with knees still up.  if i had some extra time would do stomach area more.  but that still gets 5 min. there, as the coil overlaps with a small body.

start by working up to the 5 min. on stomach.  then expand to the rest of the body 1 min. 1x a day.  then expand to 1 min. 2x a day.  then work on increasing one session to 2 min, then the other session to 2 min.  then just keep treating until your symptom are gone and no herxing, but continue treating for a couple more months.  stop, wait, retreat 2-4 wks later and see if you herx.  repeat if you do.  

also, jim is really good about how intense/long  you should allow the herx to be.  my skin seems always prickly so not sure if coiling did anything like that to me.

yes the irritability  is something that will let you express suppressed emotions.  some of that can be productive when you have not dealt with important issues.  but on the flip side, it also removes our ability to judge what is a proper, rational, response.  sometimes i would, shall we say, express myself, and then later realize my perception may have  been incorrect.  my basic personality type is more direct  while my husband is a more sensitive type, so i had to be really careful with myself because i know i was quite irrational at times. no, i think that was  just plain angry. i was kind of scary actually!

 i'm glad you are in therapy to help you work through this change as it can really be a challenge.  especially some who is used to working with the unpredictability of lyme and cos.  i wish i had had someone while working through those symptoms in the beginning. i did get to the point where i would warn him a head of time i was going to treat, or up my treatment.  now i save my husband by also venting through this group. 

doing less time more consistently is better than long waits in between session with bart.  lyme is ok doing that, but bart multiplies too quickly.  let this herx pass some, then start again, maybe doing less time.  i just looked at your original post and saw your times were minimal.  go over that with jim as he can tell you better on the starting times and how much of a herx, and waiting etc.  

sorry this is so long.  lots of things to cover.  you are smart to start this treatment and brave to do it with kids and other responsibilities.  maybe starting or upping your detox will help the herx pass more quickly.  again, check with jim on some of these things.

barbara

 

Thanks for the info.  How long did you rife for bart before you could get up to 2x/day? Also, when you say 2min per area/2x a day, how many areas is that.  Honestly, I am quit small and when placing the coil on my back it pretty much covers my whole back.  Also, according to the coil will penetrate a good 6 inches (power getting less and less of course) and I am probably 6-7 inches in depth  from back to front.  I imagine doing the neck/head eventually.    Did you ever get weird prickly feeling skin?  Oh yes,  am very irritable/angry.  I do feel that the lyme has really just removed my " filter " .  I am actually acknowledging and expressing what I have really wanted to do and say for years.  Perhaps my wording

could be nicer but really I have come to terms with some deep emotional issues that I am just allowing to bubble up to the surface.  In the long run I see this aspect of lyme as being benefical.  I am in therapy (an alternative one).  She has worked with a number of Lyme pts. 

 

Also, I guess one should not wait for a herx to resolve before going again? I can't imagine coiling again until this ends.  I have to function/drive kids etc.  It seems to me that as long as I am killing (and it may take months and months for just Bart) I am accomplishing more than I did in the last two years of doing nothing.   Thanks again.

 

 

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Hi Gwen,

Her for me piles up over time minimal th efirtst two days it goes up increasingly so I have to wait at least 2 weeks before my next cession .

So to me this looks like a herx

bu tI do not know everyone is different . pace not race is the key. Tim eto detox may be ? aenamas and all other ways

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:35 PMSubject: Am I herxing??

I started using my coil 2 weeks ago. I have started Really really slowly. 1st day on abdomen for a mere 10 secs. 2 time one week later on back 10 secs, 3rd time 5 days later on back for 15 secs. 4th time yesterday on back for 30 secs. I did not have a noticable reaction with the first 3 times but after yesterday I felt lightheaded (more than usual) and some prickly skin sensations (have had that many times). This lasted about an hour than I felt fine. TODAY, my lightheadedness is much worse and I feel really anxious from it. I definitely feel bad (worse than usual). I can't help but wonder if the EMFs themselves are potentially an issue. Not just the die off reaction. I have been using 832 for bart.Any ideas? Or is this just the way it can be with a herx? SOmehow I thought I would feel more flu like. This is just my most hated symptoms magnified 10x.