Guest guest Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 jeff, if you are doing babs it can cause a lot of aggressiveness and anger. it was hard when i did abx/mepron. although, i'm sure it was hitting so many things at once also. i did the abx, several at a time, mepron, art., and something else to make something work better. so hitting a lot. herxes were bad. but my llmd said babs can cause 'aggressive anger'. so be forewarned. although, bart is similar i found. so, 'choose your own adventure' shall we say. go slow at first to see how you handle it all. good luck. barbara Jeff, Your response did help me because now I will continue with the multiple lyme freqs but do them every 2 weeks instead of once a week, & I will start the babesia treatment next time. Those freqs you listed you say you got from Dan? The paperwork that came with my machine only listed freqs 20 & 27 for babs. I wasn't aware of the other freqs. I just bought the salt/c protocol by M. Fett & am debating whether to do that or go back to the colloidal silver. I was on MMS, but am having alot of eye problems & want to try putting the silver in my eyes as well as orally. Can't do mms & silver at the same time. You're probably feeling so lousy because you are doing alot of different things at the same time--salt/c, artemisinin, rifing. I have to be careful not to do too many different things at the same time, but also not be afraid to incorporate something else into the daily regimen. There are so many choices. Glad to finally hear from somebody that has my machine. Thanks. Susie > > > > Hi all, > > > > I started out on my EMEM-5D machine using 432 freq. I started out at 30 sec on Mar. 5 & worked up to 6 minutes on Mar. 17. At first, I would just get a little tired for a couple of days, it would go away & I would rife again. But after the 17th session, I was real tired even on the 20th. What is the hardest for me is to know if I am feeling lousy from rife or just from Lyme. I feel so crappy all the time that I can't really tell if it gets worse after I rife or if it is just a coincidence. Anyway, my naturopath said to use all 4 freqs (432,800, 4328 & 10,000) & to work up to 5 mins on each. So I started doing that on Mar.30 at 1 min each & 2 min on 10K & have worked up to 3 mins each & 4 mins on 10k. I can't really tell if I feel worse because I didn't feel good even before I rifed the last couple of times. Dan Tracey says to wait 2 weeks to rife, but my naturopath says 1 week is good. My question is, is anybody else using freq 800, 4328 & 10k at every rife session? I almost feel like they are not as effective as just the 432 alone, but the builder & my naturopath insists that they are all lyme freq (except 10k) & should be used. I know everybody has to find their own best way, but I was just wondering if others are using these other lyme freqs in addition to 432. Thanks. > > > > Susie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Barbara, Choose your own adventure, lol! It cracks me up....but it's so true, isn't it! I have to find humor in the treatment or I would go insane....it is just my way of coping! But it's a good way of putting it. It's like going to a carnival and choosing which ride you dare to go on next, huh. Or choosing " door Number 3 " and find out which " prize " is lurking underneath.......Just my crazy sense of humor, LOL............Jodie L. > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I started out on my EMEM-5D machine using 432 freq. I started out at > > 30 sec on Mar. 5 & worked up to 6 minutes on Mar. 17. At first, I would > > just get a little tired for a couple of days, it would go away & I would > > rife again. But after the 17th session, I was real tired even on the 20th. > > What is the hardest for me is to know if I am feeling lousy from rife or > > just from Lyme. I feel so crappy all the time that I can't really tell if > > it gets worse after I rife or if it is just a coincidence. Anyway, my > > naturopath said to use all 4 freqs (432,800, 4328 & 10,000) & to work up to > > 5 mins on each. So I started doing that on Mar.30 at 1 min each & 2 min on > > 10K & have worked up to 3 mins each & 4 mins on 10k. I can't really tell if > > I feel worse because I didn't feel good even before I rifed the last couple > > of times. Dan Tracey says to wait 2 weeks to rife, but my naturopath says 1 > > week is good. My question is, is anybody else using freq 800, 4328 & 10k at > > every rife session? I almost feel like they are not as effective as just > > the 432 alone, but the builder & my naturopath insists that they are all > > lyme freq (except 10k) & should be used. I know everybody has to find their > > own best way, but I was just wondering if others are using these other lyme > > freqs in addition to 432. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 jodie, i thought it appropriate!!!! but so true.hey, i never heard about your move. might have missed things for a while. did you find a place? barbara Barbara, Choose your own adventure, lol! It cracks me up....but it's so true, isn't it! I have to find humor in the treatment or I would go insane....it is just my way of coping! But it's a good way of putting it. It's like going to a carnival and choosing which ride you dare to go on next, huh. Or choosing " door Number 3 " and find out which " prize " is lurking underneath.......Just my crazy sense of humor, LOL............Jodie L. > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I started out on my EMEM-5D machine using 432 freq. I started out at > > 30 sec on Mar. 5 & worked up to 6 minutes on Mar. 17. At first, I would > > just get a little tired for a couple of days, it would go away & I would > > rife again. But after the 17th session, I was real tired even on the 20th. > > What is the hardest for me is to know if I am feeling lousy from rife or > > just from Lyme. I feel so crappy all the time that I can't really tell if > > it gets worse after I rife or if it is just a coincidence. Anyway, my > > naturopath said to use all 4 freqs (432,800, 4328 & 10,000) & to work up to > > 5 mins on each. So I started doing that on Mar.30 at 1 min each & 2 min on > > 10K & have worked up to 3 mins each & 4 mins on 10k. I can't really tell if > > I feel worse because I didn't feel good even before I rifed the last couple > > of times. Dan Tracey says to wait 2 weeks to rife, but my naturopath says 1 > > week is good. My question is, is anybody else using freq 800, 4328 & 10k at > > every rife session? I almost feel like they are not as effective as just > > the 432 alone, but the builder & my naturopath insists that they are all > > lyme freq (except 10k) & should be used. I know everybody has to find their > > own best way, but I was just wondering if others are using these other lyme > > freqs in addition to 432. Thanks. > > > > > > > > Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Susie, The other babs frequencies I mentioned were on a handwritten note from dan. Although it sounds like I'm doing alot, it's all relative. The artemisinin is a single pill at night for the last 2 years. The salt/c I started over a year ago and the rifing 18 months ago, stopped for a few months, and then picked it up again 9 months ago. So I have a sense of " normal " difficulties and feeling crappy, and then extraordinary difficulties which result from scaling up. But I don't get the " classic " herxes of flu-like symptoms so I'm not quite sure what's going on. I will worsen in symptoms, but then return to the baseline before the herx, but not improvement above baseline. So I don't see lasting improvement gains,especially in my legs and feet, my worst symptom, just slow but continued worsening. People report one step forward and 2 steps back. I haven't really experienced that myself. --Jeff > > Jeff, > > Your response did help me because now I will continue with the multiple lyme freqs but do them every 2 weeks instead of once a week, & I will start the babesia treatment next time. Those freqs you listed you say you got from Dan? The paperwork that came with my machine only listed freqs 20 & 27 for babs. I wasn't aware of the other freqs. > > I just bought the salt/c protocol by M. Fett & am debating whether to do that or go back to the colloidal silver. I was on MMS, but am having alot of eye problems & want to try putting the silver in my eyes as well as orally. Can't do mms & silver at the same time. > > You're probably feeling so lousy because you are doing alot of different things at the same time--salt/c, artemisinin, rifing. I have to be careful not to do too many different things at the same time, but also not be afraid to incorporate something else into the daily regimen. There are so many choices. > > Glad to finally hear from somebody that has my machine. Thanks. > > Susie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Jeff, I didn't realize you had already been on various protocols for awhile. I can see why you are getting discouraged. I also don't get flu-like symptoms, just increased fatigue, headaches & heart beating hard. In reading the salt/c protocol, the author does mention that there are other things that may be affecting the body even more than lyme, such as dental issues, mercury, mold to name a few. I know I am dealing with multiple issues & it is so overwhelming trying to figure out what to take for what issue. I guess the most we can do is just try different things & keep hoping that we hit it right. Susie > > > > Jeff, > > > > Your response did help me because now I will continue with the multiple lyme freqs but do them every 2 weeks instead of once a week, & I will start the babesia treatment next time. Those freqs you listed you say you got from Dan? The paperwork that came with my machine only listed freqs 20 & 27 for babs. I wasn't aware of the other freqs. > > > > I just bought the salt/c protocol by M. Fett & am debating whether to do that or go back to the colloidal silver. I was on MMS, but am having alot of eye problems & want to try putting the silver in my eyes as well as orally. Can't do mms & silver at the same time. > > > > You're probably feeling so lousy because you are doing alot of different things at the same time--salt/c, artemisinin, rifing. I have to be careful not to do too many different things at the same time, but also not be afraid to incorporate something else into the daily regimen. There are so many choices. > > > > Glad to finally hear from somebody that has my machine. Thanks. > > > > Susie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 Hi Susie, I agree with Dan on this one, sorry Naturopath, but Dan is right, he has worked with a lot of Lyme patients and he and his wife both have treated their own Lyme and he knows best. When I used the EMEM, I was very wifi sensitive to it. Also when you are full of Lyme and you kill it off, if you do not give your body time to adequately detox, you will just get worse and worse. I found this out running the EMEM. When my doctor finally started me on Cholestyramine. I started feeling normal within about 2 months, so I realized that my body was overloaded with die off and needed to clean itself out. Once you get the Lyme load reduced, you may be able to rife once a week. I would use only 432 and forget the other frequencies. That way you will be able to determine which frequency is causing what reaction. If you get no reaction from 432, then move on to one of the others. I also learned the hard way how to treat Lyme with one frequency after spending several years treating it with every frequency in the CAFL and not getting better. > > Hi all, > > I started out on my EMEM-5D machine using 432 freq. I started out at 30 sec on Mar. 5 & worked up to 6 minutes on Mar. 17. At first, I would just get a little tired for a couple of days, it would go away & I would rife again. But after the 17th session, I was real tired even on the 20th. What is the hardest for me is to know if I am feeling lousy from rife or just from Lyme. I feel so crappy all the time that I can't really tell if it gets worse after I rife or if it is just a coincidence. Anyway, my naturopath said to use all 4 freqs (432,800, 4328 & 10,000) & to work up to 5 mins on each. So I started doing that on Mar.30 at 1 min each & 2 min on 10K & have worked up to 3 mins each & 4 mins on 10k. I can't really tell if I feel worse because I didn't feel good even before I rifed the last couple of times. Dan Tracey says to wait 2 weeks to rife, but my naturopath says 1 week is good. My question is, is anybody else using freq 800, 4328 & 10k at every rife session? I almost feel like they are not as effective as just the 432 alone, but the builder & my naturopath insists that they are all lyme freq (except 10k) & should be used. I know everybody has to find their own best way, but I was just wondering if others are using these other lyme freqs in addition to 432. Thanks. > > Susie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Hi Jeff , What are your symptoms in the leg sorry I forgot , For me after having got out of the leg and hands paralysis then I was stationnary for one year dispite of tediously trying everyhting in my rich . Then all at once I began to rpogress again at the time I thought I had to admit I would never get betetr anymore . since then I progress irregularly with baby steps before I guess it was nanosteps that I could nto see bu that built up a base Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:52 PMSubject: Re: Lyme frequencies Susie,The other babs frequencies I mentioned were on a handwritten note from dan. Although it sounds like I'm doing alot, it's all relative. The artemisinin is a single pill at night for the last 2 years. The salt/c I started over a year ago and the rifing 18 months ago, stopped for a few months, and then picked it up again 9 months ago. So I have a sense of "normal" difficulties and feeling crappy, and then extraordinary difficulties which result from scaling up. But I don't get the "classic" herxes of flu-like symptoms so I'm not quite sure what's going on. I will worsen in symptoms, but then return to the baseline before the herx, but not improvement above baseline. So I don't see lasting improvement gains,especially in my legs and feet, my worst symptom, just slow but continued worsening. People report one step forward and 2 steps back. I haven't really experienced that myself. --Jeff>> Jeff,> > Your response did help me because now I will continue with the multiple lyme freqs but do them every 2 weeks instead of once a week, & I will start the babesia treatment next time. Those freqs you listed you say you got from Dan? The paperwork that came with my machine only listed freqs 20 & 27 for babs. I wasn't aware of the other freqs. > > I just bought the salt/c protocol by M. Fett & am debating whether to do that or go back to the colloidal silver. I was on MMS, but am having alot of eye problems & want to try putting the silver in my eyes as well as orally. Can't do mms & silver at the same time. > > You're probably feeling so lousy because you are doing alot of different things at the same time--salt/c, artemisinin, rifing. I have to be careful not to do too many different things at the same time, but also not be afraid to incorporate something else into the daily regimen. There are so many choices.> > Glad to finally hear from somebody that has my machine. Thanks.> > Susie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Susie, yes, it's been a slog for sure. Around 7 years ago, way before my dx of lyme/babs, I was treating for mercury poisoning. I had all my amalgams removed by a skilled holistic dentist who was trained in all safe protocols. Then I hired Andy cutler as a consultant, whom I consider the most knowledgeable person on the planet in all things chelation, to guide my chelation protocols. I did use dmps for months to clear the blood, and felt better on it than off it. I then went after brain mercury via ALA which crosses the blood brain barrier. But I could never find a dose low enough to last more than a few rounds with that. I would just feel horrible and you are told to back off if that's the case. It's not like chemotherapy where you ride it out because you're moving mercury to other parts of the body. But in hindsight, perhaps removing mercury was killing lyme and I was herxing. Who knows? So now if merc is holding me back, I'm feeling stymied. Now mold is another question. I live in a fairly new house which is only 22 years old and we are the original owners, but I'm considering for mold testing all the same. Hanging in there, --Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Marie, Symptoms in legs and feet are spasticity, increasing tone (stiffness), inflexibility. I can feel my feet but they are like walking on blocks of wood so I use a walker. I have trouble standing without support because there is no fine motor operating which is used to balance us. --Jeff > > > > Jeff, > > > > Your response did help me because now I will continue with the multiple lyme freqs but do them every 2 weeks instead of once a week, & I will start the babesia treatment next time. Those freqs you listed you say you got from Dan? The paperwork that came with my machine only listed freqs 20 & 27 for babs. I wasn't aware of the other freqs. > > > > I just bought the salt/c protocol by M. Fett & am debating whether to do that or go back to the colloidal silver. I was on MMS, but am having alot of eye problems & want to try putting the silver in my eyes as well as orally. Can't do mms & silver at the same time. > > > > You're probably feeling so lousy because you are doing alot of different things at the same time--salt/c, artemisinin, rifing. I have to be careful not to do too many different things at the same time, but also not be afraid to incorporate something else into the daily regimen. There are so many choices. > > > > Glad to finally hear from somebody that has my machine. Thanks. > > > > Susie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 , I'm confused by what you are saying. Dan also said to use 432, 800, 4328 & 10K. But he also said to rife every 2 weeks for lyme. I don't like using multiple freqs because if they are not working, it's wasted time. So even though both Dan & the naturopath said to use the multiple ones, I'm only going to use the 432 one for now like I started out with. I did go too fast in the beginning with it, so now I'll have to backtrack. But if I rife for lyme every 2 weeks, I want to start rifing for babs on the every other week (providing I feel basically ok). Doesn't this seem like a practical way to get another freq in, but not overdo it? I think I am going to start with 570 (which most people suggested (even though Dan said to use 20 & 27). I also think it is better to use one freq at a time, but when you have experts telling you to use more than one, it can get very confusing. The bottom line is I have to feel comfortable doing what I think is right. Thanks for sharing your experiences & thoughts. Susie > > > > Hi all, > > > > I started out on my EMEM-5D machine using 432 freq. I started out at 30 sec on Mar. 5 & worked up to 6 minutes on Mar. 17. At first, I would just get a little tired for a couple of days, it would go away & I would rife again. But after the 17th session, I was real tired even on the 20th. What is the hardest for me is to know if I am feeling lousy from rife or just from Lyme. I feel so crappy all the time that I can't really tell if it gets worse after I rife or if it is just a coincidence. Anyway, my naturopath said to use all 4 freqs (432,800, 4328 & 10,000) & to work up to 5 mins on each. So I started doing that on Mar.30 at 1 min each & 2 min on 10K & have worked up to 3 mins each & 4 mins on 10k. I can't really tell if I feel worse because I didn't feel good even before I rifed the last couple of times. Dan Tracey says to wait 2 weeks to rife, but my naturopath says 1 week is good. My question is, is anybody else using freq 800, 4328 & 10k at every rife session? I almost feel like they are not as effective as just the 432 alone, but the builder & my naturopath insists that they are all lyme freq (except 10k) & should be used. I know everybody has to find their own best way, but I was just wondering if others are using these other lyme freqs in addition to 432. Thanks. > > > > Susie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Jeff, At least you have been mostly through with mercury removal. I haven't even started yet. I still have 1 tooth with some in it but I'm not anxious to get the mercury removed because whenever a dentist works on a tooth lately, it ends up needing a crown or I develop pain in it. I have to try & resolve about 6 teeth that are bothering me before I start work on yet another tooth. I just started taking 1 pectin capsule a day now for starters. I didn't know Cutler could be hired as a consultant. That is the crux of the problem. I spend most of my waking time trying to determine what I did or took that is making me feel so lousy. The problem is I will never know that answer. When someone takes alot of supplements, that is the end result. I still haven't found a set regimen of what I want to take. It keeps changing. Even if I take the same exact thing 2 days in a row, I could feel dramatically different on one of those days & the first think you think of is " was it the _______ that caused this " or was it just lyme, etc. It's definitely driving me crazy & I wish I were better at stopping this by now, but you know how desperate we become to try & do & take the " right " things. My house is very old & we did find mold in one room on the ceiling beams. My husband cleaned it up & we keep a small fan in there now 24/7 on low. One A/C guy said we needed to keep the air moving in that room. Plus I did the mold tests & nothing dramatic came back. We also have been using the dehumidifier regularly. And yet I still wonder if I was affected by the mold that was there for years before my husband looked up & saw it. It wasn't a room that I even went in much, but mold spores go all over. It's literally impossible to be able to address everything that it COULD be, mentally & physically, & yet I worry & possibly the worrying is harming me more than anything. That is my biggest problem. I would definitely get your house tested for mold. You can do it yourself with the mold tests from Home Depot or some other store. If something bad comes back, then you could hire an expert. Good luck. Susie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Hi Jeff, Please, when you sign these posts, please use the first Initial of your last name also as we have two Jeff's and this will make it less confusing... Thanks, Jim > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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