Re: OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)

April 26, 2012

Yep. And we still had to pay the ER doc his 671.00 dollars for doing nothing , but turfing me to social services. He never even took a history from me about the child. Munchhausers by proxy was the best they could come up with and reported to DFCS. Had the Lyme test and spect scan in the bag with me, and told them so. They didn't want to look at that. I asked to be transported and admitted to Children's Healthcare od Atlanta. They refused to do that. Obstruction of medical care was what I wished I could have sued them for, but was afraid of losing my son and him dying from not getting treatment. Karma is the only thing that gives me peace of knowing that what goes around comes around.... Bettina

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OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)

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Thu, Apr 26, 2012 1:59:35 AM

Hi Barbara,

I know a chronic Lyme patient who was placed in the psych ward of a large hospital because they were unable to find anything wrong with her and refused to make a diagnosis of LD. But they were unable to hold her there more than a few hours. Although her family believed what they were told, they weren't willing to leave her there. Eventually she did get proper diagnosis and treatment. But she found the experience very traumatic and still gets upset when she talks about it. I imagine there are quite a few others who share this type of experience.

Khaya

>

> Hi Barbara,

>

> >>>>>all good info and advice. have done most of it, but i think they have

> heard it all and are done. so, best i just keep a lot of it too myself or

> to 'you all' as it just seems to add to their 'mom's illness'. i think

> they understand and care. they are good, loving kids. it's just a lot of

> crazy health history that i think they are tired of coping with. not

> making excuses for them, just the way it is. with them, i need to focus on

> living and not the illness. which is probably best for me anyway.

> actually moving forward. <<<<<<<

>

> I understand where you are coming from, but never give up a chance to

> educate without pestering... If you don't communicate some things, they

> will never truly understand.. And you should focus on LIVING all the time,

> after all Lyme is NOT you, right????!!!!!

>

> >>>>>>when you mentioned that gal who was in the e.r. and sent to the psych

> ward i got sick to my stomach. it brought back memories of last april when

> they classified me as a psych patient with the benzo drug. in my delirium

> i guess i was talking a lot about my health history, some of which was lyme

> and the rife machine that they documented i treated my liver with. i'm

> sure i meant lyme, not liver, but who knows. so, if she went to the psych

> ward for lyme, and i talked about lyme and rife, they must have thought i

> was nuts also. the e.r. dr. told my husband he didn't know what was wrong

> with me and walked off. hmmm. <<<<<<

>

> Sadly, this is the first time I have heard of a Lymie being admitted to the

> psych ward all because they claimed to live with chronic Lyme. I am sorry

> to hear of your classification also... Makes me wonder why they prescribe

> these drugs to begin with.. When I am educating a doctor about Lyme, I

> never talk about any natural treatments unless I know I can as he/she is

> receptive... Talking about a rife machine is most likely talking about

> something they are clueless about.. When I talk about Lyme, I always

> include my major symptoms and how long they've been with me.. I would think

> most ER docs are not very knowledgeable

> about natural treatments.. Sometimes it is best to just say nothing other

> than your symptoms and how you feel.. AND, try to stay out of those places

> if you can... :-) I don't find ER's are good places for people with Lyme

> as they don't know much about this disease nor even the allopathic

> treatments.. AND, not knowing what is wrong is what I found was the case

> each time I went to the ER!! They never once came up with a dx that was

> correct... I would only go there for a life or death situation today..

> You'd probably get better advice from someone here on the group! At least

> we know what Lyme is and how others respond to it..

>

> >>>>i read somewhere that in someplace the dr. doesn't get paid until they

> cure (or at least properly dx. ) a patient. should be that way here. a

> person may not agree with obama's health care plan, but one thing we could

> probably all agree with is that for medicare, e.r. depts. don't get paid

> for the second and subsequent visits for the same condition if within a

> month. that may change how they look at some conditions and treatments.

> or they may just dx more as psych patients to get their money.<<<<

>

> I believe Lena posted this about Chinese medicine and doctors, actually a

> good policy.. Trust me, medical establishments will figure out a way to

> keep the money rolling in.. I think the best policy for everyone is stay

> away unless it is urgent or life or death.. After my last set of steroid

> nerve blocks in the Fall of

> 2005 (didn't know I had Lyme then), I was failing very quickly and was in

> the ER 5 times between Sept and Dec, 23rd and NOT once did they do anything

> that helped me nor did they prescribe scripts for medicines that helped.. I

> knew something was very wrong as I was getting worse by the day, yet not a

> single doctor did nor prescribed anything that helped... On Dec 26, 2005 I

> awoke with what I thought was the worst flu, it turned out to be my first

> and worst major herx... I learned that ERs know little to nothing about

> Lyme.

>

> --

> Take care,

> Jim

April 27, 2012

What is this desease about ?

Since I have been battling the odd I question laway the so called uncurable bdesease what ever geneticall it is supposed to be or not

ALS i supposed to be genetical bu tit is infectious we know tha there

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:41 AMSubject: Re: OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)

And this is not unique to Lymies, either! I have a friend with Huntington's Disease. Her mother and sister both died in institutions! She was able to improve her symptoms for many years with a vegan diet, and is lucky enough to have a devoted husband, but she finally had to stop driving and does very little now. There is still no known cure for Huntington's Disease, but they do have a reliable test, since it is genetic. And they have a very well-organized Association which lobbies for medical support and research, and holds workshops for caregivers, etc. But a diagnosis of Huntingtons is pretty much hopeless.Khaya> >> > Hi Barbara,> > > > >>>>>all good info and advice. have done most of it, but i think they have> > heard it all and are done. so, best i just keep a lot of it too myself or> > to 'you all' as it just seems

to add to their 'mom's illness'. i think> > they understand and care. they are good, loving kids. it's just a lot of> > crazy health history that i think they are tired of coping with. not> > making excuses for them, just the way it is. with them, i need to focus on> > living and not the illness. which is probably best for me anyway.> > actually moving forward. <<<<<<<> > > > I understand where you are coming from, but never give up a chance to> > educate without pestering... If you don't communicate some things, they> > will never truly understand.. And you should focus on LIVING all the time,> > after all Lyme is NOT you, right????!!!!!> > > > > > >>>>>>when you mentioned that gal who was in the e.r. and sent to the psych> > ward i got sick to my stomach. it brought back

memories of last april when> > they classified me as a psych patient with the benzo drug. in my delirium> > i guess i was talking a lot about my health history, some of which was lyme> > and the rife machine that they documented i treated my liver with. i'm> > sure i meant lyme, not liver, but who knows. so, if she went to the psych> > ward for lyme, and i talked about lyme and rife, they must have thought i> > was nuts also. the e.r. dr. told my husband he didn't know what was wrong> > with me and walked off. hmmm. <<<<<<> > > > Sadly, this is the first time I have heard of a Lymie being admitted to the> > psych ward all because they claimed to live with chronic Lyme. I am sorry> > to hear of your classification also... Makes me wonder why they prescribe> > these drugs to begin with.. When I am educating a doctor

about Lyme, I> > never talk about any natural treatments unless I know I can as he/she is> > receptive... Talking about a rife machine is most likely talking about> > something they are clueless about.. When I talk about Lyme, I always> > include my major symptoms and how long they've been with me.. I would think> > most ER docs are not very knowledgeable> > about natural treatments.. Sometimes it is best to just say nothing other> > than your symptoms and how you feel.. AND, try to stay out of those places> > if you can... :-) I don't find ER's are good places for people with Lyme> > as they don't know much about this disease nor even the allopathic> > treatments.. AND, not knowing what is wrong is what I found was the case> > each time I went to the ER!! They never once came up with a dx that was> > correct... I would only go there

for a life or death situation today..> > You'd probably get better advice from someone here on the group! At least> > we know what Lyme is and how others respond to it..> > > > >>>>i read somewhere that in someplace the dr. doesn't get paid until they> > cure (or at least properly dx. ) a patient. should be that way here. a> > person may not agree with obama's health care plan, but one thing we could> > probably all agree with is that for medicare, e.r. depts. don't get paid> > for the second and subsequent visits for the same condition if within a> > month. that may change how they look at some conditions and treatments.> > or they may just dx more as psych patients to get their money.<<<<> > > > I believe Lena posted this about Chinese medicine and doctors, actually a> > good policy.. Trust me,

medical establishments will figure out a way to> > keep the money rolling in.. I think the best policy for everyone is stay> > away unless it is urgent or life or death.. After my last set of steroid> > nerve blocks in the Fall of> > 2005 (didn't know I had Lyme then), I was failing very quickly and was in> > the ER 5 times between Sept and Dec, 23rd and NOT once did they do anything> > that helped me nor did they prescribe scripts for medicines that helped.. I> > knew something was very wrong as I was getting worse by the day, yet not a> > single doctor did nor prescribed anything that helped... On Dec 26, 2005 I> > awoke with what I thought was the worst flu, it turned out to be my first> > and worst major herx... I learned that ERs know little to nothing about> > Lyme.> > > > -- > > Take care,> >

Jim>

April 27, 2012

wow, so many stories, so much alike. seems like when they don't understand, they say it is in your head, just like they did with fibro when it was first 'discovered'. or was that when they first found they could treat it with drugs. hmmmm, must be the lyme--can't remember!!

all the following i was told happened. only a little, when conscious, do i remember.when the paramedics arrived the morning i was convulsing/seizing from the benzo withdrawal, they noticed the rife machine. asked my husband. can't remember what he said to him. but, with that 'alternative' thing in the house....who knows what opinion they started to develop.

anyway, there i was rolling around in the bed, convulsing, and loudly talking about dying (common in benzo w/d) and begging my family to let me go. i thought i was dying from all these health problems and going to heaven was a better deal. i probably did act nuts.

they decided i was a psych patient and noted that in their report that the hospital got. so, they drew blood, urine sample and wanted a chest x-ray (which we knew was unnecessary and refused) other than that they only wanted a psychological history and a psych exam. they tried to get this from a patient who was in and out of consciousness, and talking crazy.

i had just come to when i heard this man asking me if i think of suicide or trying to commit suicide. i said i didn't need a psych exam and he left. my husband was walking into the room as he was leaving and dr never said anything to him at all. didn't even acknowledge him. told my husband later that he didn't know what was wrong with me. HOWEVER, put on discharge papers " pseudo seizures and anxiety. so the seizures were fake and i was anxious.

this is a very poor county and much drug use. they see a lot of drug stuff. and this e.r. dr. never asked a question of my family about any drugs or prescriptions. i don't understand why an e.r. dr. couldn't recognize and possibly suspect drug w/d when i had about 90% of the classic listed symptom of benzo w/d. really makes one wonder why they miss these things.

barbara

What is this desease about ?

Since I have been battling the odd I question laway the so called uncurable bdesease what ever geneticall it is supposed to be or not

ALS i supposed to be genetical bu tit is infectious we know tha there

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:41 AM

Subject: Re: OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)

And this is not unique to Lymies, either! I have a friend with Huntington's Disease. Her mother and sister both died in institutions! She was able to improve her symptoms for many years with a vegan diet, and is lucky enough to have a devoted husband, but she finally had to stop driving and does very little now. There is still no known cure for Huntington's Disease, but they do have a reliable test, since it is genetic. And they have a very well-organized Association which lobbies for medical support and research, and holds workshops for caregivers, etc. But a diagnosis of Huntingtons is pretty much hopeless.

Khaya> >> > Hi Barbara,

> > > > >>>>>all good info and advice. have done most of it, but i think they have> > heard it all and are done. so, best i just keep a lot of it too myself or> > to 'you all' as it just seems

to add to their 'mom's illness'. i think> > they understand and care. they are good, loving kids. it's just a lot of> > crazy health history that i think they are tired of coping with. not

> > making excuses for them, just the way it is. with them, i need to focus on> > living and not the illness. which is probably best for me anyway.> > actually moving forward. <<<<<<<

> > > > I understand where you are coming from, but never give up a chance to> > educate without pestering... If you don't communicate some things, they> > will never truly understand.. And you should focus on LIVING all the time,

> > after all Lyme is NOT you, right????!!!!!> > > > > > >>>>>>when you mentioned that gal who was in the e.r. and sent to the psych> > ward i got sick to my stomach. it brought back

memories of last april when> > they classified me as a psych patient with the benzo drug. in my delirium> > i guess i was talking a lot about my health history, some of which was lyme> > and the rife machine that they documented i treated my liver with. i'm

> > sure i meant lyme, not liver, but who knows. so, if she went to the psych> > ward for lyme, and i talked about lyme and rife, they must have thought i> > was nuts also. the e.r. dr. told my husband he didn't know what was wrong

> > with me and walked off. hmmm. <<<<<<> > > > Sadly, this is the first time I have heard of a Lymie being admitted to the> > psych ward all because they claimed to live with chronic Lyme. I am sorry

> > to hear of your classification also... Makes me wonder why they prescribe> > these drugs to begin with.. When I am educating a doctor

about Lyme, I> > never talk about any natural treatments unless I know I can as he/she is> > receptive... Talking about a rife machine is most likely talking about> > something they are clueless about.. When I talk about Lyme, I always

> > include my major symptoms and how long they've been with me.. I would think> > most ER docs are not very knowledgeable> > about natural treatments.. Sometimes it is best to just say nothing other

> > than your symptoms and how you feel.. AND, try to stay out of those places> > if you can... :-) I don't find ER's are good places for people with Lyme> > as they don't know much about this disease nor even the allopathic

> > treatments.. AND, not knowing what is wrong is what I found was the case> > each time I went to the ER!! They never once came up with a dx that was> > correct... I would only go there

for a life or death situation today..> > You'd probably get better advice from someone here on the group! At least> > we know what Lyme is and how others respond to it..> > > > >>>>i read somewhere that in someplace the dr. doesn't get paid until they

> > cure (or at least properly dx. ) a patient. should be that way here. a> > person may not agree with obama's health care plan, but one thing we could> > probably all agree with is that for medicare, e.r. depts. don't get paid

> > for the second and subsequent visits for the same condition if within a> > month. that may change how they look at some conditions and treatments.> > or they may just dx more as psych patients to get their money.<<<<

> > > > I believe Lena posted this about Chinese medicine and doctors, actually a> > good policy.. Trust me,

medical establishments will figure out a way to> > keep the money rolling in.. I think the best policy for everyone is stay> > away unless it is urgent or life or death.. After my last set of steroid

> > nerve blocks in the Fall of> > 2005 (didn't know I had Lyme then), I was failing very quickly and was in> > the ER 5 times between Sept and Dec, 23rd and NOT once did they do anything

> > that helped me nor did they prescribe scripts for medicines that helped.. I> > knew something was very wrong as I was getting worse by the day, yet not a> > single doctor did nor prescribed anything that helped... On Dec 26, 2005 I

> > awoke with what I thought was the worst flu, it turned out to be my first> > and worst major herx... I learned that ERs know little to nothing about> > Lyme.> > > > --

> > Take care,> >

Jim>

April 27, 2012

Hi Barbara it is not the country:

it is Ego country problem

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:08 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)

wow, so many stories, so much alike. seems like when they don't understand, they say it is in your head, just like they did with fibro when it was first 'discovered'. or was that when they first found they could treat it with drugs. hmmmm, must be the lyme--can't remember!!

all the following i was told happened. only a little, when conscious, do i remember.

when the paramedics arrived the morning i was convulsing/seizing from the benzo withdrawal, they noticed the rife machine. asked my husband. can't remember what he said to him. but, with that 'alternative' thing in the house....who knows what opinion they started to develop.

anyway, there i was rolling around in the bed, convulsing, and loudly talking about dying (common in benzo w/d) and begging my family to let me go. i thought i was dying from all these health problems and going to heaven was a better deal. i probably did act nuts.

they decided i was a psych patient and noted that in their report that the hospital got. so, they drew blood, urine sample and wanted a chest x-ray (which we knew was unnecessary and refused) other than that they only wanted a psychological history and a psych exam. they tried to get this from a patient who was in and out of consciousness, and talking crazy.

i had just come to when i heard this man asking me if i think of suicide or trying to commit suicide. i said i didn't need a psych exam and he left. my husband was walking into the room as he was leaving and dr never said anything to him at all. didn't even acknowledge him. told my husband later that he didn't know what was wrong with me. HOWEVER, put on discharge papers "pseudo seizures and anxiety. so the seizures were fake and i was anxious.

this is a very poor county and much drug use. they see a lot of drug stuff. and this e.r. dr. never asked a question of my family about any drugs or prescriptions. i don't understand why an e.r. dr. couldn't recognize and possibly suspect drug w/d when i had about 90% of the classic listed symptom of benzo w/d. really makes one wonder why they miss these things.

barbara

What is this desease about ?

Since I have been battling the odd I question laway the so called uncurable bdesease what ever geneticall it is supposed to be or not

ALS i supposed to be genetical bu tit is infectious we know tha there

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:41 AMSubject: Re: OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)

And this is not unique to Lymies, either! I have a friend with Huntington's Disease. Her mother and sister both died in institutions! She was able to improve her symptoms for many years with a vegan diet, and is lucky enough to have a devoted husband, but she finally had to stop driving and does very little now. There is still no known cure for Huntington's Disease, but they do have a reliable test, since it is genetic. And they have a very well-organized Association which lobbies for medical support and research, and holds workshops for caregivers, etc. But a diagnosis of Huntingtons is pretty much hopeless.Khaya> >> > Hi Barbara,> > > > >>>>>all good info and advice. have done most of it, but i think they have> > heard it all and are done. so, best i just keep a lot of it too myself or> > to 'you all' as it just seems

to add to their 'mom's illness'. i think> > they understand and care. they are good, loving kids. it's just a lot of> > crazy health history that i think they are tired of coping with. not> > making excuses for them, just the way it is. with them, i need to focus on> > living and not the illness. which is probably best for me anyway.> > actually moving forward. <<<<<<<> > > > I understand where you are coming from, but never give up a chance to> > educate without pestering... If you don't communicate some things, they> > will never truly understand.. And you should focus on LIVING all the time,> > after all Lyme is NOT you, right????!!!!!> > > > > > >>>>>>when you mentioned that gal who was in the e.r. and sent to the psych> > ward i got sick to my stomach. it brought back

memories of last april when> > they classified me as a psych patient with the benzo drug. in my delirium> > i guess i was talking a lot about my health history, some of which was lyme> > and the rife machine that they documented i treated my liver with. i'm> > sure i meant lyme, not liver, but who knows. so, if she went to the psych> > ward for lyme, and i talked about lyme and rife, they must have thought i> > was nuts also. the e.r. dr. told my husband he didn't know what was wrong> > with me and walked off. hmmm. <<<<<<> > > > Sadly, this is the first time I have heard of a Lymie being admitted to the> > psych ward all because they claimed to live with chronic Lyme. I am sorry> > to hear of your classification also... Makes me wonder why they prescribe> > these drugs to begin with.. When I am educating a doctor

about Lyme, I> > never talk about any natural treatments unless I know I can as he/she is> > receptive... Talking about a rife machine is most likely talking about> > something they are clueless about.. When I talk about Lyme, I always> > include my major symptoms and how long they've been with me.. I would think> > most ER docs are not very knowledgeable> > about natural treatments.. Sometimes it is best to just say nothing other> > than your symptoms and how you feel.. AND, try to stay out of those places> > if you can... :-) I don't find ER's are good places for people with Lyme> > as they don't know much about this disease nor even the allopathic> > treatments.. AND, not knowing what is wrong is what I found was the case> > each time I went to the ER!! They never once came up with a dx that was> > correct... I would only go there

for a life or death situation today..> > You'd probably get better advice from someone here on the group! At least> > we know what Lyme is and how others respond to it..> > > > >>>>i read somewhere that in someplace the dr. doesn't get paid until they> > cure (or at least properly dx. ) a patient. should be that way here. a> > person may not agree with obama's health care plan, but one thing we could> > probably all agree with is that for medicare, e.r. depts. don't get paid> > for the second and subsequent visits for the same condition if within a> > month. that may change how they look at some conditions and treatments.> > or they may just dx more as psych patients to get their money.<<<<> > > > I believe Lena posted this about Chinese medicine and doctors, actually a> > good policy.. Trust me,

medical establishments will figure out a way to> > keep the money rolling in.. I think the best policy for everyone is stay> > away unless it is urgent or life or death.. After my last set of steroid> > nerve blocks in the Fall of> > 2005 (didn't know I had Lyme then), I was failing very quickly and was in> > the ER 5 times between Sept and Dec, 23rd and NOT once did they do anything> > that helped me nor did they prescribe scripts for medicines that helped.. I> > knew something was very wrong as I was getting worse by the day, yet not a> > single doctor did nor prescribed anything that helped... On Dec 26, 2005 I> > awoke with what I thought was the worst flu, it turned out to be my first> > and worst major herx... I learned that ERs know little to nothing about> > Lyme.> > > > -- > > Take care,> >

Jim>

April 27, 2012

marie, yes, seen those EGO drs. would like to see them no more. i think a lot of them are in the e.r. barbara

Hi Barbara it is not the country:

it is Ego country problem

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: Re: OT: Psych Ward (was: How Lymies see themselves)