Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

[Guest guest]

Lena,

Unfortunately, I am one of those nervous people, but hearing actual accounts

from others like yourself helps to adjust the thinking. I will take one step at

a time & try the CS. If that turns out ok, then I will consider either MSM or

DMSO. Knowing myself though, I would probably try the MSM first.

I was just reading about that new adjunct S & C protocol last night & here you

are successfully using it! You are definitely a trail blazer & not afraid to try

new things & even know how to make adjustments. Putting strange things into the

eyes is a scary thing, but I see that I have to become braver if I expect to see

any positive results. One question, how does the capsule stay under your tongue

for 15-30 minutes if your tongue is stuck to the roof of your mouth? I thought

that the capsule would float away to the side or just not stay at the bottom.

Thanks for sharing your new discovery.

Susie

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > hurt so

> > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > behind my

> > > > > left eye.

> > > > >

> > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging

> > and

> > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > release of

> > > > > pressure.

> > > > >

> > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words

> > cause

> > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide

> > away from

> > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior

> > to

> > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain

> > went

> > > > > away.

> > > > >

> > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > then a

> > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> taking

> > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > herbalist

> > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > >

> > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie, Try putting some honey and CS in a capsule under your tongue and see how it behaves. Just sit upright and watch TV or read for 15-20 min. (Can't talk, though.) That way, if it doesn't work, you won't be traumatized by the MSM taste which is yechhy. My trail-blazing isn't bravery; it's desperation and determination. I know allopathic remedies that have hurt me in the past, so figure that if I'm careful and take baby steps, I can stop if something I'm daring to try doesn't work or I have a sensitivity. I've also learned to trust most folks in the group, while knowing that not everything works for everyone and I'm responsible for my own recovery. I've made a few little mistakes in the last 6 years, but none were catastrophic. I'm getting better and better.Be well,Léna Lena, Unfortunately, I am one of those nervous people, but hearing actual accounts from others like yourself helps to adjust the thinking. I will take one step at a time & try the CS. If that turns out ok, then I will consider either MSM or DMSO. Knowing myself though, I would probably try the MSM first. I was just reading about that new adjunct S & C protocol last night & here you are successfully using it! You are definitely a trail blazer & not afraid to try new things & even know how to make adjustments. Putting strange things into the eyes is a scary thing, but I see that I have to become braver if I expect to see any positive results. One question, how does the capsule stay under your tongue for 15-30 minutes if your tongue is stuck to the roof of your mouth? I thought that the capsule would float away to the side or just not stay at the bottom. Thanks for sharing your new discovery. Susie > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes > > hurt so > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure > > behind my > > > > > left eye. > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging > > and > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a > > release of > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words > > cause > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide > > away from > > > > > my eye towards my nose. > > > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior > > to > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain > > went > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success, > > then a > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop > taking > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese > > herbalist > > > > > specialist who treats lyme. > > > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

,

I just ordered Argentyn 23 CS which comes in a dropper bottle. I plan on using

that for my eyes, nose, etc. I don't know if it'll help dry eyes, I'm hoping it

will take away some or most of the inflammation I experience 24/7. S & C is the

salt/vit.c protocol which I am currently reading up on & plan to start very

shortly after I get my supplies.

Susie

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > > hurt so

> > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > > behind my

> > > > > > left eye.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging

> > > and

> > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > > release of

> > > > > > pressure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words

> > > cause

> > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide

> > > away from

> > > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior

> > > to

> > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain

> > > went

> > > > > > away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > > then a

> > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> > taking

> > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > > herbalist

> > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lena,

I like honey. How many drops of CS would you put in the 00 capsule? Then just

fill the rest up with honey? I will try it when my CS comes in. I just ordered

a dropper bottle of Argentyn 23 to use in my eyes. Thanks again.

Susie

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > > hurt so

> > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > > behind my

> > > > > > left eye.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself

> tugging

> > > and

> > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > > release of

> > > > > > pressure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross

> words

> > > cause

> > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide

> > > away from

> > > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic

> prior

> > > to

> > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the

> pain

> > > went

> > > > > > away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > > then a

> > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> > taking

> > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > > herbalist

> > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thx susie. can you tell me what the website was for the cs? do you just put a drop right in the eye? hope it helps you! karen

Subject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocolTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 6:33 PM

,I just ordered Argentyn 23 CS which comes in a dropper bottle. I plan on using that for my eyes, nose, etc. I don't know if it'll help dry eyes, I'm hoping it will take away some or most of the inflammation I experience 24/7. S & C is the salt/vit.c protocol which I am currently reading up on & plan to start very shortly after I get my supplies.Susie> > > > > >> > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > >> > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > > hurt so> > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > behind my> > > > > > left eye.> > > > >

>> > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging> > > and> > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > > release of> > > > > > pressure.> > > > > >> > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words> > > cause> > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > > away from> > > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > >> > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior> > > to> > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain> > > went> > > > > > away.> > > > >

>> > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > then a> > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop > > taking> > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.> > > > > >> > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese> > > herbalist> > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > >> > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

For excellent info on S & C (sea salt and vitamin C) go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/Join and go under 'links' to find #.006 for a great thumbnail of the protocol. Best follow it carefully; it's tried and true and requires slow, careful ramping up for good results. I couldn't have got this far without it. I also Rife and do lots of detox.I first used plain CS, from a healthfood store, but for better quality and much lower cost, I make my own with a Silver Puppy CS generator now. I use it straight. Just a couple drops per eye. Yes, for me, it was the only thing that helped end chronic dry-eye.(and i'd tried lots of other things)Be well,Léna Thanks Lena and Susie for your posts! when you say cs eyedrops, is there CS drops made just for the eyes? what brand of CS do you use and is there different strengths? which do you use for eyes? does it help for dry eyes? thanks so much. oh also what is the S & C protocol? Subject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocolTo: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 10:00 AM Lena,Unfortunately, I am one of those nervous people, but hearing actual accounts from others like yourself helps to adjust the thinking. I will take one step at a time & try the CS. If that turns out ok, then I will consider either MSM or DMSO. Knowing myself though, I would probably try the MSM first. I was just reading about that new adjunct S & C protocol last night & here you are successfully using it! You are definitely a trail blazer & not afraid to try new things & even know how to make adjustments. Putting strange things into the eyes is a scary thing, but I see that I have to become braver if I expect to see any positive results. One question, how does the capsule stay under your tongue for 15-30 minutes if your tongue is stuck to the roof of your mouth? I thought that the capsule would float away to the side or just not stay at the bottom. Thanks for sharing your new discovery.Susie > > > > >> > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > >> > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > hurt so> > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > behind my> > > > > left eye.> > > > >> > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging> > and> > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > release of> > > > > pressure.> > > > >> > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words> > cause> > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > away from> > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > >> > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior> > to> > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain> > went> > > > > away.> > > > >> > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > then a> > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop > taking> > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.> > > > >> > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese> > herbalist> > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > >> > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Doesn't matter. It's just to give you the experience of holding a cap under your tongue! For that matter you could put maple syrup in, or even sugar (but that's not as good for you). It's just a rehearsal, because you asked how it would stay under your tongue. Some things you have to learn by doing. Once in a while, there will be a little blob of gelatine left that didn't completely dissolve. Spit it out. L Lena, I like honey. How many drops of CS would you put in the 00 capsule? Then just fill the rest up with honey? I will try it when my CS comes in. I just ordered a dropper bottle of Argentyn 23 to use in my eyes. Thanks again. Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes > > > hurt so > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure > > > behind my > > > > > > left eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself > tugging > > > and > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a > > > release of > > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross > words > > > cause > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide > > > away from > > > > > > my eye towards my nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic > prior > > > to > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the > pain > > > went > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success, > > > then a > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop > > taking > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese > > > herbalist > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme. > > > > > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Lena,

Thanks again.

Susie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > > > hurt so

> > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > > > behind my

> > > > > > > left eye.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself

> > tugging

> > > > and

> > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > > > release of

> > > > > > > pressure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross

> > words

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze /

> slide

> > > > away from

> > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic

> > prior

> > > > to

> > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the

> > pain

> > > > went

> > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > > > then a

> > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> > > taking

> > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > > > herbalist

> > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

The website is naturalnutritionals.com. I haven't used it ever before in my

eyes but from what Lena says, you just put a drop in each eye. I'm still waiting

to get my 2 oz dropper bottle. Good luck.

Susie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > > > hurt so

> > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > > > behind my

> > > > > > > left eye.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging

> > > > and

> > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > > > release of

> > > > > > > pressure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide

> > > > away from

> > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior

> > > > to

> > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain

> > > > went

> > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > > > then a

> > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> > > taking

> > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > > > herbalist

> > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hi,my mother (and me) has the same dry eyes we are talking about. she has had cataract surgery in both eyes.  is the cs ok with cataracts?  will it hurt the implant? 

barbara 

 

,

The website is naturalnutritionals.com. I haven't used it ever before in my eyes but from what Lena says, you just put a drop in each eye. I'm still waiting to get my 2 oz dropper bottle. Good luck.

Susie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > > > hurt so

> > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > > > behind my

> > > > > > > left eye.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging

> > > > and

> > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > > > release of

> > > > > > > pressure.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words

> > > > cause

> > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide

> > > > away from

> > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior

> > > > to

> > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain

> > > > went

> > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > > > then a

> > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> > > taking

> > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > > > herbalist

> > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for

various things.

Susie

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hey Guys,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes

> > > > > > hurt so

> > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure

> > > > > > behind my

> > > > > > > > > left eye.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself

> > tugging

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a

> > > > > > release of

> > > > > > > > > pressure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross

> > words

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide

> > > > > > away from

> > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic

> > prior

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the

> > pain

> > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,

> > > > > > then a

> > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop

> > > > > taking

> > > > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese

> > > > > > herbalist

> > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I was beginnin gto have dry eyes I was wondering if it was due to the radiac .

I did two colema in a raw and it si better may be just because of hydratation or would it be some kind of local herx?

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:18 PMSubject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

Barbara,That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for various things.Susie> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > > > > > hurt so> > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > > > > behind my> > > > > > > > > left eye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself> > tugging> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a>

> > > > > release of> > > > > > > > > pressure.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross> > words> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > > > > > away from> > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic> > prior> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the> > pain> > > > > > went> > > > > > > > > away.> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > > > > then a> > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop> > > > > taking> > > > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese> > > > > > herbalist> > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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hi marie,

what is colema in raw and what is radiac? thx, karen

Subject: Re: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocolTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 4:31 PM

Hi I was beginnin gto have dry eyes I was wondering if it was due to the radiac .

I did two colema in a raw and it si better may be just because of hydratation or would it be some kind of local herx?

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:18 PMSubject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

Barbara,That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for various things.Susie> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in

feeling this way, but my eyes> > > > > > hurt so> > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > > > > behind my> > > > > > > > > left eye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself> > tugging> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > > > > > release of> > > > > > > > > pressure.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross> > words> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > it feels

gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > > > > > away from> > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic> > prior> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the> > pain> > > > > > went> > > > > > > > > away.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > > > > then a> > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop> > > > > taking> > > > > > >

> > pharmacutical antibiotics.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese> > > > > > herbalist> > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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Sorry for my poor English ,

by 2 colemas in a row I meant to say two consecutive days. a colema is a eanem with more water while lying down and without having to go up and down each time you refill . It has a 5 gallon bucket a board .

if you google coelma or look here in th eold messages you may find infos on it . It works better than an aenema but it doe snto work as well as a colonic.

A radiac is the intuition of the rifffe machine ahaead of time . it is not powered in any way and was described by Edgard Case in his dream . It takes up our own body electricity brings it to ice that act like a battery

then it goes to silver taking its frequency mixing it with our own and bringing it back to our body throught electronic rudimentory sensors . Somone posted long ago about it and said he completly helaed with it .

So I tryed it one year ago but got a delayed extremly severe herx. so I gave up . It is supposed to be done 30mn 4consecutive days . I tryed again 2 month ago but doing just 2 minutes instead of 30 and indeed I had a bad herx again that desapeared then with no harm so I think it is quite promising . las week I tryed 3 mn instead of 2 and felt miserable it is receiding now I will stay with 2mn or 2mn and half . I got irritation on the eyes last week it could be a herx for me as i do have a decreased sight on the right yese due to lyme and the irritation was on the right eye. if you want to try be cautious and also it need very carefull cleaning before each use and cannot be shared with any other personn.

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:59 PMSubject: Re: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

hi marie,

what is colema in raw and what is radiac? thx, karen

Subject: Re: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocolTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 4:31 PM

Hi I was beginnin gto have dry eyes I was wondering if it was due to the radiac .

I did two colema in a raw and it si better may be just because of hydratation or would it be some kind of local herx?

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:18 PMSubject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

Barbara,That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for various things.Susie> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > > > > > hurt

so> > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > > > > behind my> > > > > > > > > left eye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself> > tugging> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > > > > > release of> > > > > > > > > pressure.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross> > words> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze /

slide> > > > > > away from> > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic> > prior> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the> > pain> > > > > > went> > > > > > > > > away.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > > > > then a> > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop> > > > > taking> > > > > > > > > pharmacutical

antibiotics.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese> > > > > > herbalist> > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > >

>>

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I do nto see how it could but I do not know ,

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:44 PMSubject: Re: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

hi,

my mother (and me) has the same dry eyes we are talking about. she has had cataract surgery in both eyes. is the cs ok with cataracts? will it hurt the implant?

barbara

,The website is naturalnutritionals.com. I haven't used it ever before in my eyes but from what Lena says, you just put a drop in each eye. I'm still waiting to get my 2 oz dropper bottle. Good luck.

Susie> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > > > hurt so> > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > > behind my> > > > > > > left eye.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself tugging> > > > and> > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > > > release of> > > > > > > pressure.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It

feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross words> > > > cause> > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > > > away from> > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic prior> > > > to> > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the pain> > > > went> > > > > > > away.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > > then a> > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop > > > taking> > > > > > > pharmacutical

antibiotics.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese> > > > herbalist> > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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I know nothing about implants, so couldn't say. CS fights bacteria and infection, but i don't know how it would affect synthetic tissue. I think there was a discussion of this regarding DMSO, but can't remember which group discussed it. L Barbara, That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for various things. Susie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes > > > > > > hurt so > > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure > > > > > > behind my > > > > > > > > > left eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself > > tugging > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a > > > > > > release of > > > > > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross > > words > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide > > > > > > away from > > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic > > prior > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the > > pain > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success, > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese > > > > > > herbalist > > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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thank you, marie.

Subject: Re: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocolTo: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 4:31 PM

Hi I was beginnin gto have dry eyes I was wondering if it was due to the radiac .

I did two colema in a raw and it si better may be just because of hydratation or would it be some kind of local herx?

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:18 PMSubject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

Barbara, That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for various things. Susie > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes > > > > > > hurt so > > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure > > > > > > behind my > > > > > > > > > left eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself > > tugging > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a > > > > > > release of > > > > > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels like there

was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross > > words > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide > > > > > > away from > > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic > > prior > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the > > pain > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success, > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very

little success, I decided to stop > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese > > > > > > herbalist > > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

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thanks lena,i know my husband is afraid to use the dmso on his r. knee joint replacement as it has " plastic something' for the knee cap.  maybe i will start a new thread about this.

so, you use cs in the eyes also.  how many drops.i tried the coc.oil in my eyes last night and it was good.  they were much better this morning..  i hate that crusty dry feeling that stays even after washing them.  the oil is quite soothing.

thanksbarbara

 

thank you, marie. 

Subject: Re: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

To: " Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife >

Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 4:31 PM

 

Hi I was beginnin gto have dry eyes I was wondering if it was due to the radiac .

I did two colema in a raw and it si better may be just because of hydratation or would it be some kind of local herx?

KIndly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:18 PM

Subject: Re: Eye Problems also: CS/MSM adjunct protocol

 

Barbara, That I don't know about but maybe Lena knows. She has used CS a long time for various things. Susie > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes > > > > > > hurt so > > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure > > > > > > behind my > > > > > > > > > left eye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I find myself > > tugging > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a > > > > > > release of > > > > > > > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It feels like there

was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross > > words > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide > > > > > > away from > > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic > > prior > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the > > pain > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success, > > > > > > then a > > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very

little success, I decided to stop > > > > > taking > > > > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for herbal medicine from a chinese > > > > > > herbalist > > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and Marie,

I have had a Colema board for many years. I have found that any colonic

actually, causes my gut issues to get worse. It cleans me out, but I find that

the next day, I have gut pain. I know that it washes the good flora out, so I

tried implants of probiotics and it took weeks to recover after a Colema or a

colonic. I finally googled when is a colonic or colema contraindicated and

found out that if you have any diverticulitis, you should not do a colonic or a

colema or even high volume enema. I may have some diverticulitis pockets, I

don't know but I had to quit doing the colemas and instead went to a 4 oz bulb

syringe and do a very low volume coffee enema, without any bad side effects and

it has really helped open up the detoxification pathways.

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am

alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > > > > > hurt so> > > > > > > > >

incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > > > > behind my>

> > > > > > > > left eye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In an attempt to

cope with this pressure, I

> find myself> > tugging> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye.

When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > > > > > release of> > > > > > > > >

pressure.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket

of gunk or ooze (gross> > words> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > it feels

gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > > > > > away from> > > >

> > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had this

same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic> > prior> > > > > > to> > > > > >

> > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the> > pain> > > > >

> went> > > > > > > > > away.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After 10 months

on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > > > > then a> > > > > > > > >

relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop> > > > > taking> > >

> > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since

then I have opted for

> herbal medicine from a chinese> > > > > > herbalist> > > > > > > > >

specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But now my eyes

are bad again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

>

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hi susan,i had heard that high enemas or colonics may wash out the good flora.  is that true?  do the 4 oz enemas do that also? how often would be ok or will just one wash them all out?  

i have severe constipation and the colon gets hard and packed.  i have found that the high enemas alternating with 4 oz enemas really help to keep things moving, and i feel better with more energy afterwards.  but i don't want to wash out the good flora, it seems hard to come by.

do you have any links or info on this?  thxbarbara

 

Hi and Marie,

I have had a Colema board for many years. I have found that any colonic actually, causes my gut issues to get worse. It cleans me out, but I find that the next day, I have gut pain. I know that it washes the good flora out, so I tried implants of probiotics and it took weeks to recover after a Colema or a colonic. I finally googled when is a colonic or colema contraindicated and found out that if you have any diverticulitis, you should not do a colonic or a colema or even high volume enema. I may have some diverticulitis pockets, I don't know but I had to quit doing the colemas and instead went to a 4 oz bulb syringe and do a very low volume coffee enema, without any bad side effects and it has really helped open up the detoxification pathways.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hey Guys,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't know if I am alone in feeling this way, but my eyes> > > > > > hurt so> > > > > > > > > incredibly bad. I have intense pain / feeling of pressure> > > > > > behind my> > > > > > > > > left eye.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In an attempt to cope with this pressure, I

> find myself> > tugging> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > pulling at my eye. When I do this, sometiems I do feel a> > > > > > release of> > > > > > > > > pressure.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It feels like there was som pocket of gunk or ooze (gross> > words> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > > > it feels gross) that has its membrane break and ooze / slide> > > > > > away from> > > > > > > > > my eye towards my nose.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I had this same thing for the 10 months I was symptomatic> > prior> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > being treated. Once I was given antibiotic treatment, the> > pain> > > > > > went> > > > > > > > > away.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After 10 months on antibiotics, first with amazing success,> > > > > > then a> > > > > > > > > relapse followed by very little success, I decided to stop> > > > > taking> > > > > > > > > pharmacutical antibiotics.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since then I have opted for

> herbal medicine from a chinese> > > > > > herbalist> > > > > > > > > specialist who treats lyme.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But now my eyes are bad again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

>