Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

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we gave up on raw milk after realizing that lyme is transmitted through breastmilk.the antibody avoidance mechinism that lyme uses to cover its outer surface proteins renders specific immunity in humans effectively useless. Although I admit that I haven't specifically studied the immune systems of cows, I based our stopping raw milk use on my knowledge of the human immune system.do cows' immune systems differ with regard to Bb?thanks,-sarah To: Lyme_and_Rife From: healingdance@...Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:24:20 -0700Subject: . OT: the raw milk diet day one

Marie, I think you misunderstood about the raw milk diet.The point of doing the raw milk to help cure lyme is this;.You MUST have the milk from a cow that has definitely been bitten by deer ticks and is infected with lyme.The idea is that the cow makes antibodies of the lyme and it goes into the milk.This is not just drinking any raw milk .only milk from a cow that has been bitten by a deer tick is what is usedHowever Raw milk in itself is much better for you than drinking pasteurized milk and its better to make kefir with Raw milk as well.. OT: the raw milk diet day one Posted by: "Marie Benoit" phoenix4grace@... phoenix4grace Date: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:14 pm ((PDT))Hi everyonne I try the raw milk

diet , I tryed last week a gallon of raw goat milk and I felt good ! So I decided to do this diet I was eventhinking at night I want to drink this milk ,like th ebody was craving for it . As a result I took a full gallon in one day . This is following a post on the forum.And my think is that I was looking for IMIG could not get it . But there is in the milk and the colostrum and it is much cheaper. Si I boubght 7 gallon of raw cow milk because of the

price . And began to drink it and felt baaad. Then I realised that the bottle was 1/3 cream and 2/3 milk I might have arrived when the cream was coming first . So I will put asside some of the cream to freeze for future wipping cream so to get a lighter milk .now it is ok .I will let you know what happen, who know may be it helps ?Kindly MarieMessages in this topic (5)______________________________ "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

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It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a

technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and

then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I

had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free.

Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has

helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could

probably find it again on my computer. Sorry.

Khaya

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> the antibody avoidance mechinism that lyme uses to cover its outer surface

proteins renders specific immunity in humans effectively useless. Although I

admit that I haven't specifically studied the immune systems of cows, I based

our stopping raw milk use on my knowledge of the human immune system.

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> Marie, I think you misunderstood about the raw milk diet.The point of doing

the raw milk to help cure lyme is this;.You MUST have the milk from a cow that

has definitely been bitten by deer ticks and is infected with lyme.The idea is

that the cow makes antibodies of the lyme and it goes into the milk.This is not

just drinking any raw milk .only milk from a cow that has been bitten by a deer

tick is what is usedHowever Raw milk in itself is much better for you than

drinking pasteurized milk and its better to make kefir with Raw milk as well.

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> . OT: the raw milk diet day one Posted by: " Marie Benoit " phoenix4grace@...

phoenix4grace Date: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:14 pm ((PDT))Hi everyonne I try the

raw milk

> diet , I tryed last week a gallon of raw goat milk and I felt good ! So I

decided to do this diet I was eventhinking at night I want to drink this milk

,like th ebody was craving for it . As a result I took a full gallon in one day

.. This is following a post on the forum.And my think is that I was looking for

IMIG could not get it . But there is in the milk and the colostrum and it is

much cheaper. Si I boubght 7 gallon of raw cow milk because of the

> price . And began to drink it and felt baaad. Then I realised that the bottle

was 1/3 cream and 2/3 milk I might have arrived when the cream was coming first

.. So I will put asside some of the cream to freeze for future wipping cream so

to get a lighter milk .now it is ok .I will let you know what happen, who know

may be it helps ?Kindly MarieMessages in this topic

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to dare to love completely. " -R. Buckminster Fuller

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k thanks. I have heard the colostrum idea too- would appreciate info if you could find it.the main problem seems to be that Bb uses its plasmids to flip covers on the OSPs so humans don't ever develop memory immune cells and therefore don't have any specific immune defense against the Lyme. would love more info To: Lyme_and_Rife From: khaya-davidson@...Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:57:20 +0000Subject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free. Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could probably find it again on my computer. Sorry.

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> Marie, I think you misunderstood about the raw milk diet.The point of doing the raw milk to help cure lyme is this;.You MUST have the milk from a cow that has definitely been bitten by deer ticks and is infected with lyme.The idea is that the cow makes antibodies of the lyme and it goes into the milk.This is not just drinking any raw milk .only milk from a cow that has been bitten by a deer tick is what is usedHowever Raw milk in itself is much better for you than drinking pasteurized milk and its better to make kefir with Raw milk as well.

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> . OT: the raw milk diet day one Posted by: "Marie Benoit" phoenix4grace@... phoenix4grace Date: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:14 pm ((PDT))Hi everyonne I try the raw milk

> diet , I tryed last week a gallon of raw goat milk and I felt good ! So I decided to do this diet I was eventhinking at night I want to drink this milk ,like th ebody was craving for it . As a result I took a full gallon in one day . This is following a post on the forum.And my think is that I was looking for IMIG could not get it . But there is in the milk and the colostrum and it is much cheaper. Si I boubght 7 gallon of raw cow milk because of the

> price . And began to drink it and felt baaad. Then I realised that the bottle was 1/3 cream and 2/3 milk I might have arrived when the cream was coming first . So I will put asside some of the cream to freeze for future wipping cream so to get a lighter milk .now it is ok .I will let you know what happen, who know may be it helps ?Kindly MarieMessages in this topic (5)______________________________ "Im not trying to counsel any of you to do anything

> really special,except to dare to think, and to dare to go with the truth ,and to dare to love completely." -R. Buckminster Fuller

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Hi Khaya and all--I am new here, but have been following a bit. Anyway, Rosner tells of a congressman who injected his blood (infected with lyme and whatever else he had) into a cow, then had cow impregnated, then drank colostrum from said cow and was cured, maybe you are remembering that story from the Rife book? Koka To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free. Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could probably find it again on my computer. Sorry.

Khaya

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Hi ,

I tried a couple of ways to search my emails, but came up empty. So I googled

colostrum and clicked on the wikipedia entry, finding this:

Hyperimmune colostrum

Hyperimmune colostrum was an early attempt to boost the effectiveness of natural

bovine colostrum by immunizing cows with a specific pathogen and then collecting

the colostrum after the cow gave birth. This initially appeared very promising

as antibodies did appear towards the specific pathogens or antigens that were

used in the original challenge. However, upon closer examination and comparison,

it was found that IgG levels in natural colostrum towards 19 specific human

pathogens were just as high as in hyperimmune colostrum, and natural colostrum

nearly always had higher antibody titers than did the hyperimmune version.[27]

However, travelan, a drug used to prevent traveler's diarrhea is made using this

method, and has been shown to prevent the disease in up to 90% of people.[41]

I'm not sure if that's related, but it sounds like it might be ... It says they

compared the antibodies in the regular & hyperimmune colostrums and didn't see

much difference. But they probably were not looking for Bb antibodies.

Khaya

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> k thanks. I have heard the colostrum idea too- would appreciate info if you

could find it.

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> the main problem seems to be that Bb uses its plasmids to flip covers on the

OSPs so humans don't ever develop memory immune cells and therefore don't have

any specific immune defense against the Lyme.

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> would love more info

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> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: khaya-davidson@...

> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:57:20 +0000

> Subject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

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> It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a

technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and

then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I

had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free.

Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has

helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could

probably find it again on my computer. Sorry.

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> Khaya

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Actually Koka, I heard this story before I ever heard of Rosner. I

believe it was a clinic in Texas. But I can't lay my hands on the email it was

in--at least not without a lot more digging. But if it's in 's book, we

should be able to find it in there. Thanks,

Khaya

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> Hi Khaya and all--I am new here, but have been following a bit.  Anyway,

Rosner tells of a congressman who injected his blood (infected with lyme and

whatever else he had) into a cow, then had cow impregnated, then drank colostrum

from said cow and was cured, maybe you are remembering that story from the Rife

book? 

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> Subject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

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> It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a

technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and

then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I

had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free.

Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has

helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could

probably find it again on my computer. Sorry.

> Khaya

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I think just tells the story and no more detail except that the farmer and congressman got slammed with all kinds of nastiness when they tried to spread the good news...Koka To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

Actually Koka, I heard this story before I ever heard of Rosner. I believe it was a clinic in Texas. But I can't lay my hands on the email it was in--at least not without a lot more digging. But if it's in 's book, we should be able to find it in there. Thanks,

Khaya

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> Hi Khaya and all--I am new here, but have been following a bit. Anyway, Rosner tells of a congressman who injected his blood (infected with lyme and whatever else he had) into a cow, then had cow impregnated, then drank colostrum from said cow and was cured, maybe you are remembering that story from the Rife book?

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> It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free. Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could probably find it again on my computer. Sorry

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Hi Kahya ,

Yes they look for regular pathogene they do not look for specific pathogenes we are interested in for sure .

this 90% looks very good to me it is worth a try for who can find a goat in the area . still we would need to coil the animal right after birht of th ebabay goat so that to no tlet them have the desease for good.

Kindly marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 5:34 PMSubject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme

Hi ,I tried a couple of ways to search my emails, but came up empty. So I googled colostrum and clicked on the wikipedia entry, finding this:Hyperimmune colostrumHyperimmune colostrum was an early attempt to boost the effectiveness of natural bovine colostrum by immunizing cows with a specific pathogen and then collecting the colostrum after the cow gave birth. This initially appeared very promising as antibodies did appear towards the specific pathogens or antigens that were used in the original challenge. However, upon closer examination and comparison, it was found that IgG levels in natural colostrum towards 19 specific human pathogens were just as high as in hyperimmune colostrum, and natural colostrum nearly always had higher antibody titers than did the hyperimmune version.[27] However, travelan, a drug used to prevent traveler's diarrhea is made using this method, and has been shown to prevent the disease in up to

90% of people.[41]I'm not sure if that's related, but it sounds like it might be ... It says they compared the antibodies in the regular & hyperimmune colostrums and didn't see much difference. But they probably were not looking for Bb antibodies.Khaya>> > k thanks. I have heard the colostrum idea too- would appreciate info if you could find it.> > the main problem seems to be that Bb uses its plasmids to flip covers on the OSPs so humans don't ever develop memory immune cells and therefore don't have any specific immune defense against the Lyme. > > would love more info> > > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:57:20 +0000> Subject: Re: . OT: raw milk as carrier of Bb - lyme> > > It seems to me that someone sent me information a long time ago about a technique where a clinic injects your own antibodies into the cow or goat, and then harvests the colostrum from the milk. I didn't follow up on it because I had tried colostrum before and discovered that it is not totally milk-free. Since I'm allergic to milk, I can't use the colostrum. But apparently that has helped some people. If i could remember who sent me that information, I could probably find it again on my computer. Sorry.> > Khaya >