Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 , My child is recovered. was one of the kids at the conference with Dr G. this weekend. I was so impressed with all the kids he brought and they are just a few of the many. I determine recovery as being indistinguishable from his peers. Mine is a little nerdy and a little Bill Gatesish, but no one who ever guess he was once severely afflicted with Autism. And his killer smile and good nature make up for that. He went into engineering at college and most of the engineering kids we saw on the college tours are much more quirky than he is. He did not get better all at once. I remember asking someone the same question you did of me. How long was your son on the protocol before he was considered " recovered " ? Was he indistinguishable from his peers? Does he still have to take those " nasty " meds? It is not like boom they are better. It is such a gradual process. You asked if my son still takes the meds. My son still takes iron, celexa, and antifungal and an antiviral. Until the new medications come along we need these like a diabetic needs insulin. All of us have medical conditions for which we take stuff. I'm just glad that in the 15 years my son has been taking meds in one form or another there has never been a blood test that showed the meds were doing harm. I worry more about if he will build up a tolerance to a medication and they will no longer work. But fortunately for us when the antiviral stopped working, Dr. G found another one to switch to. The hardest part of raising an child with autism is knowing if it will ever be okay. Are all these sacrifices our family is making worth it? Are they actually doing any good? It takes so much time and patience to teach them all they missed. And it is hard not to let the anger for having to do all this get in the way. I remember asking myself, " Why do I have to teach my kid everything other kids just learn? " " Why is everything a struggle? " The strange part is after going through this, I'm still not exactly sure when he started learning on his own. It was so gradual that sometimes I didn't even recognize it was happening. But it did happen and it is a good thing because I could no longer help him with Math in middle school. Sometimes we concentrate so much on what they still have left to be taught, we forget to notice all they have accomplished. If someone would have told me when he was four and in the third percentile for speech that some day he be interesting to talk to, knows more about the world than anyone I know and be able to make me laugh uncontrollably, I wouldn't have believed them. My son is also a good person with good values. He helps others and has the empathy the doctor's said would never be possible for someone with autism. When he was first diagnosed, I was just hoping for an independent life not in a group home or institution. But even though he is recovered, he like all kids is still evolving. The social is the last to come. In high school he still had not gone on a date alone nor had a girlfriend. But in college that all changed. If you wave a magic wand and make these kids bodies healthy, you still have to catch them up on all the academic, social and life skills they missed along the way. I ache for parents whose children are not recovered like mine. There are some parents who work tirelessly, do the medical and behavioral interventions and their children's immune systems are too compromised to have complete recovery. But the kids I hurt the most for are the ones whose parents haven't given them a shot by trying the medical or like I was for a time are too afraid to give their kids the medications they need. And don't even get me started on the parents who are afraid of the ABA because it might hurt their children's self esteem. Just be careful. There are thousands of ABA providers who are trying to make a fast buck and are not doing it correctly. And move away from the strict ABA and teach things more naturally when compliance is reached. Good teaching is ABA, just not as rigid. It saddens me that some kids they are just too old when they start the medical and recovery is extremely difficult (but possible). Even if their children get better physically, the inappropriate behaviors are ingrained. For years these kids have done these behaviors as a way to survive this hell. And the older the child is after they start medically, the more they need to learn in language, social skills and appropriate behavior. Hope this help, Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Marcia I saw your son, you are so lucky I have never seen recovery before like the children Dr. Goldberg showed. It must have been a huge journey and relief at the same time Congrats! -- In , " Marcia Hinds " <hindssite@...> wrote: > > , > > > > My child is recovered. was one of the kids at the conference with Dr G. > this weekend. I was so impressed with all the kids he brought and they are > just a few of the many. I determine recovery as being indistinguishable > from his peers. Mine is a little nerdy and a little Bill Gatesish, but no > one who ever guess he was once severely afflicted with Autism. And his > killer smile and good nature make up for that. He went into engineering at > college and most of the engineering kids we saw on the college tours are > much more quirky than he is. He did not get better all at once. I remember > asking someone the same question you did of me. How long was your son on > the protocol before he was considered " recovered " ? Was he indistinguishable > from his peers? Does he still have to take those " nasty " meds? > > > > It is not like boom they are better. It is such a gradual process. You > asked if my son still takes the meds. My son still takes iron, celexa, and > antifungal and an antiviral. Until the new medications come along we need > these like a diabetic needs insulin. All of us have medical conditions for > which we take stuff. I'm just glad that in the 15 years my son has been > taking meds in one form or another there has never been a blood test that > showed the meds were doing harm. I worry more about if he will build up a > tolerance to a medication and they will no longer work. But fortunately for > us when the antiviral stopped working, Dr. G found another one to switch to. > > > > The hardest part of raising an child with autism is knowing if it will ever > be okay. Are all these sacrifices our family is making worth it? Are they > actually doing any good? It takes so much time and patience to teach them > all they missed. And it is hard not to let the anger for having to do all > this get in the way. I remember asking myself, " Why do I have to teach my > kid everything other kids just learn? " " Why is everything a struggle? " The > strange part is after going through this, I'm still not exactly sure when he > started learning on his own. It was so gradual that sometimes I didn't even > recognize it was happening. But it did happen and it is a good thing > because I could no longer help him with Math in middle school. Sometimes we > concentrate so much on what they still have left to be taught, we forget to > notice all they have accomplished. > > > If someone would have told me when he was four and in the third percentile > for speech that some day he be interesting to talk to, knows more about the > world than anyone I know and be able to make me laugh uncontrollably, I > wouldn't have believed them. My son is also a good person with good values. > He helps others and has the empathy the doctor's said would never be > possible for someone with autism. When he was first diagnosed, I was just > hoping for an independent life not in a group home or institution. > > > > But even though he is recovered, he like all kids is still evolving. The > social is the last to come. In high school he still had not gone on a date > alone nor had a girlfriend. But in college that all changed. > > > > If you wave a magic wand and make these kids bodies healthy, you still have > to catch them up on all the academic, social and life skills they missed > along the way. I ache for parents whose children are not recovered like > mine. There are some parents who work tirelessly, do the medical and > behavioral interventions and their children's immune systems are too > compromised to have complete recovery. > > > > But the kids I hurt the most for are the ones whose parents haven't given > them a shot by trying the medical or like I was for a time are too afraid to > give their kids the medications they need. And don't even get me started on > the parents who are afraid of the ABA because it might hurt their children's > self esteem. Just be careful. There are thousands of ABA providers who > are trying to make a fast buck and are not doing it correctly. And move > away from the strict ABA and teach things more naturally when compliance is > reached. Good teaching is ABA, just not as rigid. > > > > It saddens me that some kids they are just too old when they start the > medical and recovery is extremely difficult (but possible). Even if their > children get better physically, the inappropriate behaviors are ingrained. > For years these kids have done these behaviors as a way to survive this > hell. And the older the child is after they start medically, the more they > need to learn in language, social skills and appropriate behavior. > > > > Hope this help, > > Marcia > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Marcia- I can't thank you enough for this post. All of it rings so true as I have a 6 1/2 yo and feel as though we battle everything. It can be hell but I so appreciate that you continue to post. It gives me hope. My guy is in good shape for the most part and I know he will recover but tonight couldn't be fast enough. From the school systems, to the insurance companies, etc....it is so exhausting. Not to mention how hard this dx is on a marriage. I love my child so intently but sometimes don't feel as though we are afforded the life that others with typicals are.... and those are the days I run into parents with 2 affected kids and an additional child with cancer (true story). Count your blessings my friends. Much Love, -- In , " Marcia Hinds " <hindssite@...> wrote: > > , > > > > My child is recovered. was one of the kids at the conference with Dr G. > this weekend. I was so impressed with all the kids he brought and they are > just a few of the many. I determine recovery as being indistinguishable > from his peers. Mine is a little nerdy and a little Bill Gatesish, but no > one who ever guess he was once severely afflicted with Autism. And his > killer smile and good nature make up for that. He went into engineering at > college and most of the engineering kids we saw on the college tours are > much more quirky than he is. He did not get better all at once. I remember > asking someone the same question you did of me. How long was your son on > the protocol before he was considered " recovered " ? Was he indistinguishable > from his peers? Does he still have to take those " nasty " meds? > > > > It is not like boom they are better. It is such a gradual process. You > asked if my son still takes the meds. My son still takes iron, celexa, and > antifungal and an antiviral. Until the new medications come along we need > these like a diabetic needs insulin. All of us have medical conditions for > which we take stuff. I'm just glad that in the 15 years my son has been > taking meds in one form or another there has never been a blood test that > showed the meds were doing harm. I worry more about if he will build up a > tolerance to a medication and they will no longer work. But fortunately for > us when the antiviral stopped working, Dr. G found another one to switch to. > > > > The hardest part of raising an child with autism is knowing if it will ever > be okay. Are all these sacrifices our family is making worth it? Are they > actually doing any good? It takes so much time and patience to teach them > all they missed. And it is hard not to let the anger for having to do all > this get in the way. I remember asking myself, " Why do I have to teach my > kid everything other kids just learn? " " Why is everything a struggle? " The > strange part is after going through this, I'm still not exactly sure when he > started learning on his own. It was so gradual that sometimes I didn't even > recognize it was happening. But it did happen and it is a good thing > because I could no longer help him with Math in middle school. Sometimes we > concentrate so much on what they still have left to be taught, we forget to > notice all they have accomplished. > > > If someone would have told me when he was four and in the third percentile > for speech that some day he be interesting to talk to, knows more about the > world than anyone I know and be able to make me laugh uncontrollably, I > wouldn't have believed them. My son is also a good person with good values. > He helps others and has the empathy the doctor's said would never be > possible for someone with autism. When he was first diagnosed, I was just > hoping for an independent life not in a group home or institution. > > > > But even though he is recovered, he like all kids is still evolving. The > social is the last to come. In high school he still had not gone on a date > alone nor had a girlfriend. But in college that all changed. > > > > If you wave a magic wand and make these kids bodies healthy, you still have > to catch them up on all the academic, social and life skills they missed > along the way. I ache for parents whose children are not recovered like > mine. There are some parents who work tirelessly, do the medical and > behavioral interventions and their children's immune systems are too > compromised to have complete recovery. > > > > But the kids I hurt the most for are the ones whose parents haven't given > them a shot by trying the medical or like I was for a time are too afraid to > give their kids the medications they need. And don't even get me started on > the parents who are afraid of the ABA because it might hurt their children's > self esteem. Just be careful. There are thousands of ABA providers who > are trying to make a fast buck and are not doing it correctly. And move > away from the strict ABA and teach things more naturally when compliance is > reached. Good teaching is ABA, just not as rigid. > > > > It saddens me that some kids they are just too old when they start the > medical and recovery is extremely difficult (but possible). Even if their > children get better physically, the inappropriate behaviors are ingrained. > For years these kids have done these behaviors as a way to survive this > hell. And the older the child is after they start medically, the more they > need to learn in language, social skills and appropriate behavior. > > > > Hope this help, > > Marcia > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Hi Marcia, I am sorry I couldn’t reply earlier. Like other people have said, your story brings hope to many other parents. We are also experiencing what you explained about how your son got to a point that started learning by himself. My son is becoming a sponge again and is picking up things much faster. Is not only that my son is able to learn by himself again, is that he is thinking more properly now. My son couldn’t put 2-3 words together 16 months ago and now can drive us crazy talking so much, especially when he is upset and want things his way. He can talk his lungs out, but still has many issues maintaining a conversation for his age. His social skills have improved so much too, almost to a typical child level. The only problems left with my son are very mild oppositional behaviors, the conversation part of his speech, maybe some hyperactivity and he also seems to find trouble where there is none. He is happy every single day now, which for the past 2 years since he regressed he used to be a roller coaster of emotions, mostly bad, to the point of being a depressed toddler. He doesn’t self stimulatory behaviors anymore, doesn’t spin, look at lines, flips his eyes to the back, no more echolalia, no more constant crying, no more spaciness, he had vitiligo and is almost completely gone, no more looking at lines, or lining up toys, no more roaming around fences, no more avoiding other children, no more playing alone, no more getting obsessed with playing with only one toy, no more looking desperate because he didn’t know how to play with toys, no more talking to a wall type behavior, no more head banging or shaking, no more making humming noises, no more hitting other children, no more walking aimlessly, now he is potty trained, now he has more appetite, eye contact is almost 100% now, no more freaking out when going to restaurants with no much lights or certain areas of the grocery stores, no more running away from us, now he can walk anywhere and we don’t need to bring a stroller in case that he threw a tantrum in the middle of the mall, he can play catch with a football or basketball and is very proud of doing it, he is in a typical children soccer league(he is not very good yet, but he loves it), he was dismissed from the special education program in the last ARD meeting 6 months ago, he is way ahead in math skills than typical children his age, now he can be a leader in his class, he tells other children what they need to be doing in his class, he tells and my wife every day that he loves us(he didn’t show any emotions in the past), he gets concerned when other people gets hurt, he has a typical child “girlfriend” (and she is cute), he says when we go shopping “Let’s get this, she will love it” “I Love her and I want to kiss her” J She also tells teachers that she loves him and that she kissed him at his 5th birthday party last month. (I don’t know what is going in here… we are trying to control these two children, the teachers are trying to control them as well… ) (This is the same child that doctors told us that will never have empathy or emotions for others), he has the cutest smile, he can defend himself from other children, he is losing that innocence that is characteristic from children with autism, he doesn’t have “that autism face” anymore, he write all of his friends names and many other words, is learning how to read, his patience is much better and I could go on. From being severely autistic when he was 2 ½ years old, to where he is now at 5 is a huge accomplishment that even the doctors who diagnose him cannot just comprehend. And I believe that we still have lots of work to do, our goal is to continue with therapies until we are told that he doesn’t need them anymore. Education is also very important, I have had my son in an incidental teaching ABA program for the past two years and they have been the ones helping us with my son’s behaviors. God knows how many bad behaviors ill children can learn and there is no way that parents alone can modify all those behaviors without professional help. Getting the children’s immune systems healthy is the key for recovery. My son has been exponentially getting better since the labs have been coming back almost normal for the past 4 months. Thanks, JR From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marcia Hinds Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:31 PM jrodrig6605@...; Subject: Re:What " recovered " from autism means? , My child is recovered. was one of the kids at the conference with Dr G. this weekend. I was so impressed with all the kids he brought and they are just a few of the many. I determine recovery as being indistinguishable from his peers. Mine is a little nerdy and a little Bill Gatesish, but no one who ever guess he was once severely afflicted with Autism. And his killer smile and good nature make up for that. He went into engineering at college and most of the engineering kids we saw on the college tours are much more quirky than he is. He did not get better all at once. I remember asking someone the same question you did of me. How long was your son on the protocol before he was considered " recovered " ? Was he indistinguishable from his peers? Does he still have to take those " nasty " meds? It is not like boom they are better. It is such a gradual process. You asked if my son still takes the meds. My son still takes iron, celexa, and antifungal and an antiviral. Until the new medications come along we need these like a diabetic needs insulin. All of us have medical conditions for which we take stuff. I'm just glad that in the 15 years my son has been taking meds in one form or another there has never been a blood test that showed the meds were doing harm. I worry more about if he will build up a tolerance to a medication and they will no longer work. But fortunately for us when the antiviral stopped working, Dr. G found another one to switch to. The hardest part of raising an child with autism is knowing if it will ever be okay. Are all these sacrifices our family is making worth it? Are they actually doing any good? It takes so much time and patience to teach them all they missed. And it is hard not to let the anger for having to do all this get in the way. I remember asking myself, " Why do I have to teach my kid everything other kids just learn? " " Why is everything a struggle? " The strange part is after going through this, I'm still not exactly sure when he started learning on his own. It was so gradual that sometimes I didn't even recognize it was happening. But it did happen and it is a good thing because I could no longer help him with Math in middle school. Sometimes we concentrate so much on what they still have left to be taught, we forget to notice all they have accomplished. If someone would have told me when he was four and in the third percentile for speech that some day he be interesting to talk to, knows more about the world than anyone I know and be able to make me laugh uncontrollably, I wouldn't have believed them. My son is also a good person with good values. He helps others and has the empathy the doctor's said would never be possible for someone with autism. When he was first diagnosed, I was just hoping for an independent life not in a group home or institution. But even though he is recovered, he like all kids is still evolving. The social is the last to come. In high school he still had not gone on a date alone nor had a girlfriend. But in college that all changed. If you wave a magic wand and make these kids bodies healthy, you still have to catch them up on all the academic, social and life skills they missed along the way. I ache for parents whose children are not recovered like mine. There are some parents who work tirelessly, do the medical and behavioral interventions and their children's immune systems are too compromised to have complete recovery. But the kids I hurt the most for are the ones whose parents haven't given them a shot by trying the medical or like I was for a time are too afraid to give their kids the medications they need. And don't even get me started on the parents who are afraid of the ABA because it might hurt their children's self esteem. Just be careful. There are thousands of ABA providers who are trying to make a fast buck and are not doing it correctly. And move away from the strict ABA and teach things more naturally when compliance is reached. Good teaching is ABA, just not as rigid. It saddens me that some kids they are just too old when they start the medical and recovery is extremely difficult (but possible). Even if their children get better physically, the inappropriate behaviors are ingrained. For years these kids have done these behaviors as a way to survive this hell. And the older the child is after they start medically, the more they need to learn in language, social skills and appropriate behavior. Hope this help, Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Thans for sharing your story.. Do you mind sharing the key factors in your sons recovery Million Thanks caroline.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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