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Kristy-How long has your son been taking immunoglobulin? Have you seen any

positive results with it? Have you also tried imunovir?

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Gayle,

He has been on Gamastan for over a year (maybe closer to 2?). He is MUCH

healthier now. We did notice overall well-being after starting it. Nothing

dramatic, but we could just tell he probably felt better. He had a certain

amount of that sharpness and alertness Dr. G asks about, but really nothing

we could say had definitely changed. Dr. G mentioned trying immunovir at one

point, but - knock on wood - his labs have been very, very good so I don't

think it is necessary at this time.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

gvizjazz@...

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:38 PM

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

Kristy-How long has your son been taking immunoglobulin? Have you seen any

positive results with it? Have you also tried imunovir?

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Our son has been on Gamastan for a little over 3 months now. For our son

just like Kristy mentioned just felt better, from having very inconsistent

good and bad days, to being happy every day. After 2 months on the

Gamastan we did the routine lab work that Dr. Goldberg order for all his

patients (including the Immune Panel) and the results came back in within

the normal range for the first time in over 2 years! Even his Natural

Killer Cells went from 4 to 9 percent! I asked Dr. Goldberg if this was a

mistake by the lab and he said that probably not. We just did another lab

test yesterday, so we will see what the results are in the next few days and

we will be able to double check to make sure that the previous results are

right or not.

Our son did come back low in immunoglobulin in a lab test ordered by Dr.

Goldberg 6 months ago. I would ask Dr. Goldberg to run an IGG subclass lab

test in your child even if your child's total IGG count was normal. The

children might still have an IGG subclass deficiency and still need the

Gamastan.

IGG subclass deficiency information

http://www.immunedisease.com/patients-and-families/about-pi/types-of-pi/igg-

subclass-deficiency.html

JR

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kristy

Nardini

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:27 PM

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

Hi Gayle,

He has been on Gamastan for over a year (maybe closer to 2?). He is MUCH

healthier now. We did notice overall well-being after starting it. Nothing

dramatic, but we could just tell he probably felt better. He had a certain

amount of that sharpness and alertness Dr. G asks about, but really nothing

we could say had definitely changed. Dr. G mentioned trying immunovir at one

point, but - knock on wood - his labs have been very, very good so I don't

think it is necessary at this time.

Kristy

From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

gvizjazz@... <mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com>

Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:38 PM

<mailto:%40>

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

Kristy-How long has your son been taking immunoglobulin? Have you seen any

positive results with it? Have you also tried imunovir?

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Kristy-That's great! We have never tried it, though I will ask about it on my

next call. How old is your son? We haven't seen anything great yet with

imunovir, but if this doesn't help? we may consider Gamastan. Are they shots and

how often do you give them? Thanks for your help!

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi -just read your post after I emailed the same questions! Thanks for the

response. I think Dr. G recently ran an IGG for his blood work and we're waiting

for the results. Natural Killer cells going from 4 to 9 is great! Hope we see

the same results with imunovir.

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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My son is 7 and we give him shots every 3 weeks. We do it after he's been

asleep a few hours, and he barely even notices it.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

gvizjazz@...

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:22 AM

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

Hi Kristy-That's great! We have never tried it, though I will ask about it

on my next call. How old is your son? We haven't seen anything great yet

with imunovir, but if this doesn't help? we may consider Gamastan. Are they

shots and how often do you give them? Thanks for your help!

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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My son is 5 and weights 48 lbs. We give him 2ml shots every 3 weeks. We

pay $10 at our local compounding pharmacy to get the GamaSTAN injected.

Money well worth it.

JR

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kristy

Nardini

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:44 PM

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

My son is 7 and we give him shots every 3 weeks. We do it after he's been

asleep a few hours, and he barely even notices it.

Kristy

From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

gvizjazz@... <mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com>

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:22 AM

<mailto:%40>

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

Hi Kristy-That's great! We have never tried it, though I will ask about it

on my next call. How old is your son? We haven't seen anything great yet

with imunovir, but if this doesn't help? we may consider Gamastan. Are they

shots and how often do you give them? Thanks for your help!

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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My son was on it for a year. It did nothing for him. The shots are

very painful so continuing something that wasn't working for us didn't

make much sense.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:38 PM, gvizjazz@... wrote:

>

>

> Kristy-How long has your son been taking immunoglobulin? Have you

> seen any positive results with it? Have you also tried imunovir?

> Gayle

>

> Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

> >

> >

> > ,

> > Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2

> and is what

> > I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with

> Dr. G over a

> > year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking

> spontaneously and has

> > no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think

> of to

> > facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so

> helpful to

> > hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> > I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> > families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all

> given up on

> > Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the

> autism dx like

> > we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> > Martha

> >

> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> > <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for

> sometime now.

> > My

> > > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and

> the NNY

> > > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism,

> but still

> > > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum,

> etc.

> > Before

> > > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she

> does not

> > > fit the autism dx.

> > >

> > > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the

> time) and that

> > > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > > encountered:

> > > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way,

> they

> > believe

> > > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont

> see a dr

> > > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> > Mccarthy

> > > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not

> the immune

> > > system

> > > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes

> to get

> > > their kid better

> > > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative

> and put Dr.

> > > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused

> me of

> > > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants "

> people on

> > lists

> > > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> > >

> > > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my

> daughter is

> > > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> > >

> > > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I

> dont care

> > > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site,

> but the

> > > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he

> needs parent

> > > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it

> would be

> > > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> > whatever

> > > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this

> illness that

> > is,

> > > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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-how long before you saw any positive changes from the Gamastan?

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Cheryl-we had the same experience with the kutapressin shots. We stopped it

because it did nothing for him either. I hesitate to try shots again if they

aren't necessary or helpful.

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

> >

> >

> > ,

> > Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2

> and is what

> > I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with

> Dr. G over a

> > year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking

> spontaneously and has

> > no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think

> of to

> > facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so

> helpful to

> > hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> > I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> > families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all

> given up on

> > Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the

> autism dx like

> > we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> > Martha

> >

> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> > <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for

> sometime now.

> > My

> > > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and

> the NNY

> > > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism,

> but still

> > > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum,

> etc.

> > Before

> > > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she

> does not

> > > fit the autism dx.

> > >

> > > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the

> time) and that

> > > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > > encountered:

> > > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way,

> they

> > believe

> > > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont

> see a dr

> > > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> > Mccarthy

> > > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not

> the immune

> > > system

> > > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes

> to get

> > > their kid better

> > > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative

> and put Dr.

> > > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused

> me of

> > > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants "

> people on

> > lists

> > > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> > >

> > > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my

> daughter is

> > > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> > >

> > > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I

> dont care

> > > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site,

> but the

> > > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he

> needs parent

> > > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it

> would be

> > > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> > whatever

> > > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this

> illness that

> > is,

> > > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi ,

Do you have the name and number of your pharmacy? We order from Friendly

Hills (Dr. G's office recommended them) and it costs $240 for 4 doses.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:23 PM

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

My son is 5 and weights 48 lbs. We give him 2ml shots every 3 weeks. We

pay $10 at our local compounding pharmacy to get the GamaSTAN injected.

Money well worth it.

JR

From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

Kristy

Nardini

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:44 PM

<mailto:%40>

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

My son is 7 and we give him shots every 3 weeks. We do it after he's been

asleep a few hours, and he barely even notices it.

Kristy

From: <mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

gvizjazz@... <mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com> <mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com>

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:22 AM

<mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40>

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

Hi Kristy-That's great! We have never tried it, though I will ask about it

on my next call. How old is your son? We haven't seen anything great yet

with imunovir, but if this doesn't help? we may consider Gamastan. Are they

shots and how often do you give them? Thanks for your help!

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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We pay the same amount.

JR

From: knardini@...

Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:32:05 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

Hi ,

Do you have the name and number of your pharmacy? We order from Friendly

Hills (Dr. G's office recommended them) and it costs $240 for 4 doses.

Kristy

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:23 PM

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

My son is 5 and weights 48 lbs. We give him 2ml shots every 3 weeks. We

pay $10 at our local compounding pharmacy to get the GamaSTAN injected.

Money well worth it.

JR

From: <mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

Kristy

Nardini

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 2:44 PM

<mailto:%40>

Subject: RE: Re: immunoglobulin

My son is 7 and we give him shots every 3 weeks. We do it after he's been

asleep a few hours, and he barely even notices it.

Kristy

From: <mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40>

[mailto: <mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40> ] On Behalf Of

gvizjazz@... <mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com> <mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com>

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:22 AM

<mailto:%40>

<mailto:%40>

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

Hi Kristy-That's great! We have never tried it, though I will ask about it

on my next call. How old is your son? We haven't seen anything great yet

with imunovir, but if this doesn't help? we may consider Gamastan. Are they

shots and how often do you give them? Thanks for your help!

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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My son experienced improvements in the immune panel lab results almost

immediately, also his behavior improved markedly. Maybe it worked this well on

my son because he had very low immunoglobulin levels (hypogammaglobulinemia) and

probably GamaSTAN is the medication that he needed more than anything else.

Make sure you test your child's immunoglobulin levels including IGG subclasses

before considering GamaSTAN. I am just thinking that the children to whom the

GamaSTAN didn't make any difference never had immunoglobulin deficiencies to

begin with.

Thanks,

JR

From: gvizjazz@...

Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:20:11 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: immunoglobulin

-how long before you saw any positive changes from the Gamastan?

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Thanks for the great info ! Dr. Goldberg just checked his IGG levels, so I

will wait and see what the results show.

Gayle

Re: Re: efforts on behalf of Dr. Goldberg

>

>

> ,

> Do you mind my asking how old your daughter is? My son is 4 1/2 and is

what

> I would call higher moderate but not mild and we have been with Dr. G over

a

> year. We are so discouraged because he is not talking spontaneously and

has

> no interest in his peers and we have done everything we can think of to

> facilitate both areas. We are not giving up on Dr. G but it is so helpful

to

> hear success stories to affirm that we are on the right track.

> I too encourage every one about the NIDs protocol and even got three

> families to fly cross country to give it a try. They have all given up on

> Dr. G by the way . But since our son is not coming out of the autism dx

like

> we had hoped it is hard to convince folks.

> Martha

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <jlhank80@...

> <mailto:jlhank80%40> > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > I am so glad someone brought this up, I have wanted to for sometime now.

> My

> > daughter is not a patient of Dr. G but a pt. of Dr and the NNY

> > clinic. But my daughter appears to be recovering from autism, but still

> > delayed. She no longer stims, plays with others, doesnt tantrum, etc.

> Before

> > less than a year ago she was moderately autistic. Today she does

not

> > fit the autism dx.

> >

> > When I tell people about (and trust me I do ALL of the time) and

that

> > autism is really a disease process in our kids,this is what I have

> > encountered:

> > -Parents dont believe that its right to treat autism this way, they

> believe

> > in " neurodiversity " and autism is not a disease, its genetic.

> > -they are so distrustful of the medical community so they wont see a dr

> > without the name DAN stamped on them or they are endorsed by

> Mccarthy

> > -they believe its heavy metals/and or metabolic origin and not the

immune

> > system

> > -or they say " thats nice " and they dont want to do what it takes to get

> > their kid better

> > -I have also had people be SO disrespectful and arguementative and put

Dr.

> > G down because of rumors they had heard. one person even accused me of

> > " spying " and lying about my daughter and that Dr. G " plants " people on

> lists

> > to talk about . I am not kidding.

> >

> > I am SO discouraged. I want kids to get better but my efforts are

> > fruitless. I thought if people saw with their own eyes that my daughter

is

> > better they would listen to me, but they dont.

> >

> > I would love to hear from others what they have done. I figure I dont

care

> > who says wait about . I got my daughter back!!!!!

> > And even if I help one person all that persecution is worth it.

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hello all, yes I accidentally posted this note to the site, but the

> > message to all would have been the same. Dr. Goldberg says he needs

parent

> > support and if anyone?is interested in getting the word out it would be

> > greatly appreciated. I am just another parent who is willing to do

> whatever

> > it takes to help DR. Goldberg finally cure our kids of this illness that

> is,

> > most definitely, an epidemic!

> > >

> > >

> > >

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