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Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our 10yrs

old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal.

This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had

suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried

that but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also &

we're very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs

and most probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

God bless

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Thanks Gaylen for your respond.  Interestingly my son is having episode of

constipation as well.  About 2 weeks ago, he constipated for 3 days. I had to

call the office & Dr.G. recommended mineral oil which seemed to help him go for

a couple of days. But he's still not going daily.  Did you have to switch from

nizoral or is your child still on it?  I'm wondering if we have to keep the

oxypowder as long as he's on nizoral? & why does nizoral cause constipation??? 

If it's supposed to help, it should do the opposite, keep them regular???

thanks again!

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Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 3:12 AM

My son has had several periods of not wanting to eat at all. Nizoral did

contribute to that for awhile because it increased his problem with

constipation. If your son isn't having a BM regularly, perhaps adding something

to help with that may get him eating again. We tried many things and found

that Oxypowder was the only thing that keeps him regular when on Nizoral.

Gaylen

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My son has been on mineral oil for a few years. It works GREAT, but when he

goes off, he goes back to having potty problems. He has CP in addition to

the " a word " and chronic constipation is an ongoing issue due to low tone. I

have heard from my friend that miralax works really well, too. I don't know

if Dr. G uses miralax.

Gaylen - has your son been evaluated for parasites?

Kristy

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Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

Thanks Gaylen for your respond. Interestingly my son is having episode of

constipation as well. About 2 weeks ago, he constipated for 3 days. I had

to call the office & Dr.G. recommended mineral oil which seemed to help him

go for a couple of days. But he's still not going daily. Did you have to

switch from nizoral or is your child still on it? I'm wondering if we have

to keep the oxypowder as long as he's on nizoral? & why does nizoral cause

constipation??? If it's supposed to help, it should do the opposite, keep

them regular???

thanks again!

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<mailto:Googahly%40aol.com> >

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Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 3:12 AM

My son has had several periods of not wanting to eat at all. Nizoral did

contribute to that for awhile because it increased his problem with

constipation. If your son isn't having a BM regularly, perhaps adding

something

to help with that may get him eating again. We tried many things and found

that Oxypowder was the only thing that keeps him regular when on Nizoral.

Gaylen

************ **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the

grill. (http://food. aol.com/grilling ?ncid=emlcntusfo od00000005)

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> Hello group,

> I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our

10yrs old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal.

This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had

suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried

that but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also &

we're very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs

and most probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

>

> Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

> God bless

>

>

,

My son is seven almost eight and he went through a period of loosing weight as

well. His was a little different in that he was still eating but loosing

weight. My husband was very concerned because our son was skinny to begin with

and starting to look too thin. Dr. G told us not to worry that it was probably

his body adjusting to everything. After several months of loosing he is

beginning to gain weight back.

We didn't really see many gains with our son either until recently. We went

through a lot of difficult behavior and regression before we saw any huge gains.

I am just starting to see wonderful things happening with my son. He came up to

me a couple of days ago and told me life was no fun with out friends in it.

Everywhere we go lately my son is meeting a new friend and playing well with

them. He still has a long way to go but I am seeing the beginnings of an

awakening in his development.

Just curious if the diet is bringing in a lot of changes in his food choices?

Maybe he is having some opposition to changing what he eats. Just a thought...

I hope this helps you to keep moving forward. I think the hardest thing about

this approach is giving time to really figure out what medicines work for your

child's system.

Amber

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Hello -did the GI doctor recommend the GI series of tests to rule out

any serious problems? When you have to force a child to eat there must be

something that isn't right with the digestive system. Have you been keeping

track of his bowel patterns? I'm sure the GI doctor will help you find out what

is making him lose his appetite. Good luck and I hope it all works out.

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our 10yrs

old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now avoiding

all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal. This had

been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had suggested

not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried that but he

would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also & we're very

concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs and most

probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

God bless

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Yes, we did the GI blood tests & waiting for results.  We're also taking stool

samples to rule out colitis issue.  The doc prescribed an acid medicine for the

moment & if that helps he said we don't have to do endoscopy etc. later.  we're

praying we don't have to go that route.  thx 

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Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 6:46 PM

Hello -did the GI doctor recommend the GI series of tests to rule out

any serious problems? When you have to force a child to eat there must be

something that isn't right with the digestive system. Have you been keeping

track of his bowel patterns? I'm sure the GI doctor will help you find out what

is making him lose his appetite. Good luck and I hope it all works out.

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our 10yrs

old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now avoiding

all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal. This had

been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had suggested

not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried that but he

would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also & we're very

concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs and most

probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

God bless

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My baby girl had great difficulty eating, due to reflux which in turn

damaged her digestive system to where she didn't tolerate certain foods.

Does your son gag at all, even when he's not around food? She did, even in

her sleep. She also vomited approximately every 30 hours. We had to do an

extreme elimination diet (lamb and rice only for 3.5 weeks, then very slowly

introduced one new food at a time and waited for up to 1 month before

introducing another). After 11 months her system was 90% better and she can

now eat & tolerate just about anything. She was intolerant to corn (which is

in EVERYTHING, including hypo-allergenic formulas) and grapes and dairy.

I was told there aren't any accurate tests for intolerances (which are

different from allergies, which can be tested), which is why we had to do

the extreme elimination diet.

Kristy

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Bekele

Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:40 PM

Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

Yes, we did the GI blood tests & waiting for results. We're also taking

stool samples to rule out colitis issue. The doc prescribed an acid

medicine for the moment & if that helps he said we don't have to do

endoscopy etc. later. we're praying we don't have to go that route. thx

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<mailto:gvizjazz%40aol.com> >

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Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 6:46 PM

Hello -did the GI doctor recommend the GI series of tests to rule

out any serious problems? When you have to force a child to eat there must

be something that isn't right with the digestive system. Have you been

keeping track of his bowel patterns? I'm sure the GI doctor will help you

find out what is making him lose his appetite. Good luck and I hope it all

works out.

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our

10yrs old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every

meal. This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G.

He had suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We

tried that but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight

also & we're very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he

is at 62lbs and most probably will loose more if we don't do something about

it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure

about that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol.

We've not seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll

switch us to other meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft

about 2wks ago but with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add

one more strong med. I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're

seeing a GI doc for the moment but please share if you have experienced this

same problem?? thanks much!!

God bless

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Kristy, no my son doesn't gag or vomit but he spits out the food sometimes. 

can't tell why he does that.  thx

elizabeth

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Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 6:46 PM

Hello -did the GI doctor recommend the GI series of tests to rule

out any serious problems? When you have to force a child to eat there must

be something that isn't right with the digestive system. Have you been

keeping track of his bowel patterns? I'm sure the GI doctor will help you

find out what is making him lose his appetite. Good luck and I hope it all

works out.

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our

10yrs old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every

meal. This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G.

He had suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We

tried that but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight

also & we're very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he

is at 62lbs and most probably will loose more if we don't do something about

it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure

about that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol.

We've not seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll

switch us to other meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft

about 2wks ago but with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add

one more strong med. I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're

seeing a GI doc for the moment but please share if you have experienced this

same problem?? thanks much!!

God bless

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my daughter has been through this too and we are going to see a neuropsych in

august.? My daughter looks so skeletal because she doesnt know when she is

hungry.? She has been diagnosed as anorexic.? We feed her higher fat foods and

more often.? In fact we feed her a mid day snack at school.? She has a problem

with sensory intergration disorder and aspergers.? We have done endoscopies

before due to her reflux disease,? they arent that bad and can find strictures

and other swallowing issues.

caroline

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our 10yrs

old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now avoiding

all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal. This had

been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had suggested

not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried that but he

would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also & we're very

concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs and most

probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

God bless

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High fat foods for a child with a damaged digestive system is not always

beneficial, and could be making the problem worse. I know.BTDT with my

daughter. ALL the tests they did on my daughter revealed nothing structural

was wrong, but she still could not eat more than a couple of bites at a time

of anything until we figured out what food(s) were causing her problems.

From there, she took off and has thrived ever since. It was a long road - 30

months and we almost lost her before we figured out how to help her. It was

another mom who helped, not any of the 17 different doctors in 2 different

states I took her to looking for answers. Her 2 GI doctors (one in No. CA

and one in So. CA) were going to kill her because they refused to listen

when we kept telling them it was something we were feeding her that was

making her so sick!

We were EXTREMELY lucky that our daughter did not learn to associate eating

with pain - once that happens it can be a really long road back to getting

them to eat orally.

Kristy

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Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:54 AM

Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

my daughter has been through this too and we are going to see a neuropsych

in august.? My daughter looks so skeletal because she doesnt know when she

is hungry.? She has been diagnosed as anorexic.? We feed her higher fat

foods and more often.? In fact we feed her a mid day snack at school.? She

has a problem with sensory intergration disorder and aspergers.? We have

done endoscopies before due to her reflux disease,? they arent that bad and

can find strictures and other swallowing issues.

caroline

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our

10yrs old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every

meal. This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G.

He had suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We

tried that but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight

also & we're very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he

is at 62lbs and most probably will loose more if we don't do something about

it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure

about that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol.

We've not seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll

switch us to other meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft

about 2wks ago but with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add

one more strong med. I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're

seeing a GI doc for the moment but please share if you have experienced this

same problem?? thanks much!!

God bless

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my daughter doesnt recognize the signs of hunger and or doc has said? higher fat

is okay for now..?? For me getting her to eat anything is major.?? she is skin

and bones.? she is 5' 3 and weighs around 75 pounds maybe.? she still wheres a

size 10 in childrens clothes and even that size hangs off of her.

caroline

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our

10yrs old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every

meal. This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G.

He had suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We

tried that but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight

also & we're very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he

is at 62lbs and most probably will loose more if we don't do something about

it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure

about that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol.

We've not seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll

switch us to other meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft

about 2wks ago but with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add

one more strong med. I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're

seeing a GI doc for the moment but please share if you have experienced this

same problem?? thanks much!!

God bless

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Anorexia and bulemia seem to have an association/connection with PANDAS - I

would recommend having ASO titers checked.  I always have a complete loss of

appetite when my PANDAS is exacerbated.

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Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 10:53:51 AM

Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

my daughter has been through this too and we are going to see a neuropsych in

august.? My daughter looks so skeletal because she doesnt know when she is

hungry.? She has been diagnosed as anorexic.? We feed her higher fat foods and

more often.? In fact we feed her a mid day snack at school.? She has a problem

with sensory intergration disorder and aspergers.? We have done endoscopies

before due to her reflux disease,? they arent that bad and can find strictures

and other swallowing issues.

caroline

loss of appetite & weight loss

Hello group,

I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our 10yrs

old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now avoiding

all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal. This had

been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had suggested

not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried that but he

would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also & we're very

concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs and most

probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

God bless

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Caroline-

This may seem gross but what are her stools like? If your child has abnormal

stools they may aren't getting the nutrition they need from their foods. My

daughter has had chronic diarrhea/mushy stools for as long as I can remember.

It was a number of issues, not just one.

Issue 1 - yeast overgrowth, we tx'd with Diflucan

Issue 2, multiple food intolerances. (and there are ALOT of those)

Issue #3 we did have her stool tested and she had other pathogenic bacteria in

her stool that was causing a chronic inflammation. Her doctor prescribed a

probiotic from Klaire Labs that is super-powerful and she has good normal stools

again. From the stool analysis we determined she didn't need digestive enzymes.

If your daughter has any or all of these issues the chronic inflammation will

definitely inhibit her appetite and her weight gain.

My daughter has been gaining weight steadily not since we have done and

having normal stools means she should be getting her nutrients from her foods.

She actually looks healthy and her ribs aren't showing anymore.

I hope this helps, sometimes all you need to hear is what worked for someone

else!

- :)

>

> From: gvizjazz@... <gvizjazz@...>

> Subject: Re: loss of appetite & weight loss

>

> Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 6:46 PM

>

> Hello -did the GI doctor recommend the GI series of tests to rule out

any serious problems? When you have to force a child to eat there must be

something that isn't right with the digestive system. Have you been keeping

track of his bowel patterns? I'm sure the GI doctor will help you find out what

is making him lose his appetite. Good luck and I hope it all works out.

>

> loss of appetite & weight loss

>

> Hello group,

> I'm wondering if anyone of you had experienced what we're seeing with our

10yrs old son. We've been on famvir for 5mths & nizoral 3mths. My son is now

avoiding all foods & has to be forced(we've to get firm) to eat at every meal.

This had been going on for about a month & I had mentioned it to Dr.G. He had

suggested not to force him & to just let him eat when he's hungry. We tried that

but he would stay without food the whole day. He's loosing weight also & we're

very concerned. When we started with Dr.G he was 68lbs now he is at 62lbs and

most probably will loose more if we don't do something about it.

>

> Dr.G. says it has nothing to do with the meds he's on. But I'm not sure about

that. My son never had this issue before starting on this protocol. We've not

seen any gains at all with those 2 meds so far & I hope he'll switch us to other

meds at our next consult. He wanted us to start on zoloft about 2wks ago but

with the appetite issue we didn't feel comfortable to add one more strong med.

I'm thinking the meds are causing this problem??? We're seeing a GI doc for the

moment but please share if you have experienced this same problem?? thanks

much!!

> God bless

>

>

>

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Her stools fine. She doesnt seem to know the difference between hunger and

stomach aches. This morning for example, i could not get her to eat breakfast

and we have everything from cold cereal to waffles. Suppose to see neruopyshc

to help with this.

Caroline

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