Re: National Association of Child Development

August 26, 2009

We did it for several years and found it extremely helpful in reducing

overall sensory sensitivity and building my son's ability to learn.

Gaylen

In a message dated 8/26/2009 12:46:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

marthawood70@... writes:

Hello all,

I have recently come across this website ( NACD.org ). It looks great for

addressing sensory issues in our kids. Has anyone on this list done the

NACD

protocol. I am curious to know your thoughts and opinions.

Thanks for your time.

Martha

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September 1, 2009

In a message dated 9/1/2009 11:11:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

angiehuiz@... writes:

<<After years of the program the research showed that it did not actually

do anything to advance children that were in healthy environments anyways

and stimulated through normal childs play like sand play, etc. >>

Are you referring to a study assessing the effectiveness of the NACD

program or something else? If it is about the NACD program, can you direct me

to more info about the actual study? Given the huge improvements I've seen

in many kids, a study on NACD showing no ability to advance children really

surprises me. I personally saw one brain injured child go from not being

able to walk, talk or see to being able to do all of those things.

Gaylen

September 1, 2009

I looked into this, but decided against it. They work on changing the right or

left sidedness with the hands and eyes, etc., all to one side. I heard of it

messing up some to do this and had to be undone. The whole concept of the right

side / left side ideas that existed ago have been disproven by research over the

years also. Some with Down's Syndrome use the program, but the national

organization for this I guess is against NACD.

I listenened to their CD, you can sometimes check it out in a library if

available. After years of the program the research showed that it did not

actually do anything to advance children that were in healthy environments

anyways and stimulated through normal childs play like sand play, etc.

I do know someone with Downs who does use it and likes it though, and would not

criticize those who use it and it works for them either. Just telling what I

know factually about it.

I did not end up doing it due to above reasons, and did not think the sensory

issues were addressed at a core enough issue for us.

Hope it helps.

Angie

From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@...>

Subject: National Association of Child Development

" groups (DOT) com " < >

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:56 AM

Hello all,

I have recently come across this website ( NACD.org ). It looks great for

addressing sensory issues in our kids. Has anyone on this list done the NACD

protocol. I am curious to know your thoughts and opinions.

Thanks for your time.

Martha

September 2, 2009

We started the NACD program in June. They do an assessment (we went to the

Philadelphia office) and then design a program tailored to your child's

needs. At least our program is very intensive but we are seeing progress and

learning a lot. My son (3yo) has a diagnosis of PDD but his major issue is

dyspraxia. For what I know, NACD is very eclectic and definetely worth

checking.

Best,

B

2009/8/26 Martha Wood <marthawood70@...>

>

> Hello all,

> I have recently come across this website ( NACD.org ). It looks great for

> addressing sensory issues in our kids. Has anyone on this list done the

> NACD

> protocol. I am curious to know your thoughts and opinions.

> Thanks for your time.

> Martha

>

September 2, 2009

Oh this does help!!! Your information is in line with what our OT is telling

us as well. It saves me time from further researching this, too.

Thank you so much for the time it took you to write all this out.

Gratefully,

Martha

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM, angie huiz <angiehuiz@...> wrote:

>

> I looked into this, but decided against it. They work on changing the

> right or left sidedness with the hands and eyes, etc., all to one side.

> I heard of it messing up some to do this and had to be undone. The whole

> concept of the right side / left side ideas that existed ago have been

> disproven by research over the years also. Some with Down's Syndrome use

> the program, but the national organization for this I guess is against

> NACD.

>

> I listenened to their CD, you can sometimes check it out in a library if

> available. After years of the program the research showed that it did not

> actually do anything to advance children that were in healthy environments

> anyways and stimulated through normal childs play like sand play, etc.

>

> I do know someone with Downs who does use it and likes it though, and would

> not criticize those who use it and it works for them either. Just telling

> what I know factually about it.

>

> I did not end up doing it due to above reasons, and did not think the

> sensory issues were addressed at a core enough issue for us.

> Hope it helps.

> Angie

>

> From: Martha Wood <marthawood70@... <marthawood70%40gmail.com>>

> Subject: National Association of Child Development

> " groups (DOT) com " < <%40>

> >

> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:56 AM

>

> Hello all,

> I have recently come across this website ( NACD.org ). It looks great for

> addressing sensory issues in our kids. Has anyone on this list done the

> NACD

> protocol. I am curious to know your thoughts and opinions.

> Thanks for your time.

> Martha

>

September 3, 2009

It sounds like your neurodevelopmentalist wasn't very good at working up a

program that would work for your family. NACD branched off of the

Institute for Human Potential because they wanted to create programs that were

more do-able for families, along with include activities that addressed sensory

issues. The way NACD is supposed to work is that the

neurodevelopmentalist works up a program for the amount of time the family is

willing to

complete. Some do it for an hour a day, some much more. We started at four

hours a day and then later reduced to two and then one as my son did more

schoolwork. Early on, the activities are very short (1-3 minutes) because they

want to keep the intensity and frequency high. Later, as focus increases,

the length of the activities increases, and the number of activities

decreases.

Your child does need to be able to actively participate in short activities

for at least a minute in order to benefit from this program. Some of the

activities are passive, but most are active. We had done Son-Rise for two

years prior to adding NACD so my son was at the point of actively and

happily participating, NACD just gave us what to work on. We made games out of

most of the activities and my son really enjoyed doing them.

By the way, while we did see some auditory processing improvements by

switching the dominant ear, we were never able to switch the dominant eye. We

gave up on that about halfway through the program and still saw lots of

progress in many areas especially in visual and auditory processing and a

significant reduction of sensory problems.

Gaylen

In a message dated 9/3/2009 9:21:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

jlhank80@... writes:

I did this therapy (called neurodevelopmental) with my daughter who has

autism for a few months. We paid a lot of money for an evaluation and then

they gave us a ton of things we had to do with her throughout the day.

I cannot testify for it's efficacy, but I lived it for a few months and I

cant even believe I made it that long. Here are my qualms:

1. It was time consuming, I never even got to all of the exercises

everyday. It was unrealistic to think I could do some things up to 12 times a

day.

I was VERY stressed out.

2. My daughter hated it. She started to act out because she was constantly

interrupted for these exercises we had to do all day everyday. So it was

very unpleasant.

3. Then if you dont get to all of the exercises (which no one can!) they

can say thats why it didnt " work " .

It didn't work for us at all, practically and physically.

I found that the best thing we did was get our daughter as medically

stable as we could. I think that does wonders.

I have heard it has worked for people though, but it was very difficult on

me.

Hope this helps

September 3, 2009

I did this therapy (called neurodevelopmental) with my daughter who has autism

for a few months. We paid a lot of money for an evaluation and then they gave

us a ton of things we had to do with her throughout the day.

I cannot testify for it's efficacy, but I lived it for a few months and I cant

even believe I made it that long. Here are my qualms:

1. It was time consuming, I never even got to all of the exercises everyday. It

was unrealistic to think I could do some things up to 12 times a day. I was

VERY stressed out.

2. My daughter hated it. She started to act out because she was constantly

interrupted for these exercises we had to do all day everyday. So it was very

unpleasant.

3. Then if you dont get to all of the exercises (which no one can!) they can say

thats why it didnt " work " .

It didn't work for us at all, practically and physically.

I found that the best thing we did was get our daughter as medically stable as

we could. I think that does wonders.

I have heard it has worked for people though, but it was very difficult on me.

Hope this helps

September 3, 2009

,

Thank you for this feedback. It is very much in line with what I am hearing

from other parents. You have saved us much time and energy by giving this

thoughtful feedback.

From reading your other posts it sounds like your daughter is doing so well.

I am so glad for you. It gives us hope.

Take care,

Martha

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:20 AM, jlhank80 <jlhank80@...> wrote:

>

> I did this therapy (called neurodevelopmental) with my daughter who has

> autism for a few months. We paid a lot of money for an evaluation and then

> they gave us a ton of things we had to do with her throughout the day.

> I cannot testify for it's efficacy, but I lived it for a few months and I

> cant even believe I made it that long. Here are my qualms:

> 1. It was time consuming, I never even got to all of the exercises

> everyday. It was unrealistic to think I could do some things up to 12 times

> a day. I was VERY stressed out.

> 2. My daughter hated it. She started to act out because she was constantly

> interrupted for these exercises we had to do all day everyday. So it was

> very unpleasant.

> 3. Then if you dont get to all of the exercises (which no one can!) they

> can say thats why it didnt " work " .

>

> It didn't work for us at all, practically and physically.

> I found that the best thing we did was get our daughter as medically stable

> as we could. I think that does wonders.

> I have heard it has worked for people though, but it was very difficult on

> me.

>

> Hope this helps

>

September 19, 2009

I do not know about the location of the research, you would have to look,

someone who did the research on his own told me this. Not sure if this applied

to NT kids or special needs kids, the research on crossing everything to the

same side of the body = eyes and hands, feet, etc, is also a part of this

research that has been disproven over time, not to discredit the rest

necessarily.

I am neutral to this program, and just gave thoughts and other knowlegde on this

as requested. It is all I know, and someone who it messed up also, and had to

be 'undone', snd also someone who has a Down's child and seems to work for them.

It sounds like you have a thought and opinion on how it works from what you have

seen with others.

Angie

From: Googahly@... <Googahly@...>

Subject: Re: National Association of Child Development

Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 11:18 PM

In a message dated 9/1/2009 11:11:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

angiehuiz (DOT) com writes: