Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 HI Hugh, I had the same questions than you when i just began , the answer i received was if in critical condition people were cotnuing the abx while beginning the coil.still be cautious of dye off meanse herxeimer reaction as soon as you bagan the coil menase detox a lot mor ethan before the rife is effective an everything according to what I have experienced and read At th elast conference on lyme in Tampas they made a comaprison between herbs and abx and combiantions of both the combination of th emost effectives abx mixt adn th emost effective herbs was still not 100% able to eradicate the desease but had a pretty good effect igf I remmeber well . this is not advises of any kind Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 6:49 PMSubject: Opinions on rife Evening all,I was hoping you might be able to help me with a few queries.The background:I was diagnosed with Lyme, Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae last November, it being likely that I contracted one or all in late 2009. Needless to say I'm suffering and the lyme has gone chronic - my CD57 is 27.I am currently on a second round of abx. So far I have done 3 months of doxy alone and now i'm mid way through 3 months of amoxi, azithro and tini. Whilst I have improved somewhat, I havent improved nearly as much as I had hoped. For this reason and because I'm not particularly overawed by the prospect of taking abx forever and a day I'm investigating alternatives.I am already working with a herbalist who is out of the Buhner school.I have to opportunity to work with someone using a Doug Coil machine.What I would like to know is:1) Is the use of the coil machine with abx completely contraindicated. I understand that the theory is abx force Bb into its cyst form which is not accessible by most abx and rife, and additionally that this can serve to compound the problem as Bb has the capability to multiply on exiting the cyst form. That said I am uncomfortable abandoning the abx at present, understand that tinidazole is active against cysts, and would like to attack the bacteria from as many angles as possible.2) How effective is the coil machine against a) Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae. Would it be a viable approach to, for example, continue to treat Bb with my triple abx combination whilst target the coinfections with rife? I am particularly interested in this as my LLMD wishes to treat Bb with abx first, whilst I attribute many of my overwhelming symptoms to coinfections.3)If abx push the lyme into an inaccessible cyst form why do herbs not have the same effect? Is this true and in this case is the use of the DC with Buhner/ cowden/ Byron White herbs viable?I appreciate responses are opnions and do not represent medical adviceMany thanks for your input,Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Marie, Thanks for your thoughts. Hugh > > HI Hugh, >  > I had the same questions than you when i just began , the answer i received was if in critical condition people were cotnuing the abx while beginning the coil.still be cautious of dye off meanse herxeimer reaction as soon as you bagan the coil menase detox a lot mor ethan before > the rife is effective an everything according to what I have experienced and read > At th elast conference on lyme in Tampas they made a comaprison between herbs and abx and combiantions of both > the combination of th emost effectives abx mixt adn th emost effective herbs was still not 100% able to eradicate the desease but had a pretty good effect igf I remmeber well . > this is not advises of any kind > Kindly Marie >  >  >   > > > ________________________________ > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 6:49 PM > Subject: Opinions on rife > > >  > Evening all, > > I was hoping you might be able to help me with a few queries. > > The background: > > I was diagnosed with Lyme, Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae last November, it being likely that I contracted one or all in late 2009. Needless to say I'm suffering and the lyme has gone chronic - my CD57 is 27. > > I am currently on a second round of abx. So far I have done 3 months of doxy alone and now i'm mid way through 3 months of amoxi, azithro and tini. > > Whilst I have improved somewhat, I havent improved nearly as much as I had hoped. For this reason and because I'm not particularly overawed by the prospect of taking abx forever and a day I'm investigating alternatives. > > I am already working with a herbalist who is out of the Buhner school. > > I have to opportunity to work with someone using a Doug Coil machine. > > What I would like to know is: > > 1) Is the use of the coil machine with abx completely contraindicated. I understand that the theory is abx force Bb into its cyst form which is not accessible by most abx and rife, and additionally that this can serve to compound the problem as Bb has the capability to multiply on exiting the cyst form. That said I am uncomfortable abandoning the abx at present, understand that tinidazole is active against cysts, and would like to attack the bacteria from as many angles as possible. > > 2) How effective is the coil machine against a) Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae. Would it be a viable approach to, for example, continue to treat Bb with my triple abx combination whilst target the coinfections with rife? I am particularly interested in this as my LLMD wishes to treat Bb with abx first, whilst I attribute many of my overwhelming symptoms to coinfections. > > 3)If abx push the lyme into an inaccessible cyst form why do herbs not have the same effect? Is this true and in this case is the use of the DC with Buhner/ cowden/ Byron White herbs viable? > > I appreciate responses are opnions and do not represent medical advice > > Many thanks for your input, > > Hugh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 You are welcome, may I add that people in a non critical condition often choosed to discontinue the abx so that to stopp the building of cysts. Being in a critical condition i elect to finish my box of abx then as soon as I felt I could safely stopp I did, Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:10 AMSubject: Re: Opinions on rife Marie,Thanks for your thoughts.Hugh>> HI Hugh,>  > I had the same questions than you when i just began , the answer i received was if in critical condition people were cotnuing the abx while beginning the coil.still be cautious of dye off meanse herxeimer reaction as soon as you bagan the coil menase detox a lot mor ethan before> the rife is effective an everything according to what I have experienced and read> At th elast conference on lyme in Tampas they made a comaprison between herbs and abx and combiantions of both > the combination of th emost effectives abx mixt adn th emost effective herbs was still not 100% able to eradicate the desease but had a pretty good effect igf I remmeber well .> this is not advises of any kind > Kindly Marie>  >  >   > > > ________________________________> > To: Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2012 6:49 PM> Subject: Opinions on rife> > >  > Evening all,> > I was hoping you might be able to help me with a few queries.> > The background:> > I was diagnosed with Lyme, Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae last November, it being likely that I contracted one or all in late 2009. Needless to say I'm suffering and the lyme has gone chronic - my CD57 is 27.> > I am currently on a second round of abx. So far I have done 3 months of doxy alone and now i'm mid way through 3 months of amoxi, azithro and tini. > > Whilst I have improved somewhat, I havent improved nearly as much as I had hoped. For this reason and because I'm not particularly overawed by the prospect of taking abx forever and a day I'm investigating alternatives.> > I am already working with a herbalist who is out of the Buhner school.> > I have to opportunity to work with someone using a Doug Coil machine.> > What I would like to know is:> > 1) Is the use of the coil machine with abx completely contraindicated. I understand that the theory is abx force Bb into its cyst form which is not accessible by most abx and rife, and additionally that this can serve to compound the problem as Bb has the capability to multiply on exiting the cyst form. That said I am uncomfortable abandoning the abx at present, understand that tinidazole is active against cysts, and would like to attack the bacteria from as many angles as possible.> > 2) How effective is the coil machine against a) Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae. Would it be a viable approach to, for example, continue to treat Bb with my triple abx combination whilst target the coinfections with rife? I am particularly interested in this as my LLMD wishes to treat Bb with abx first, whilst I attribute many of my overwhelming symptoms to coinfections.> > 3)If abx push the lyme into an inaccessible cyst form why do herbs not have the same effect? Is this true and in this case is the use of the DC with Buhner/ cowden/ Byron White herbs viable?> > I appreciate responses are opnions and do not represent medical advice> > Many thanks for your input,> > Hugh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Hello Hugh, My wife also has chronic Lyme, last CD57 was 36 about 6 months ago. Mine was 120, we have not had them retested. I feel great now and herx very mildly if at all. Fortunately I was never chronic which I credit for a quicker recovery than my wife. My wife was misdiagnosed with Parkison's for several years prior to her Lyme diagnosis and hospitalized as a result of the Parkinson's drugs they had her on,it was a mightmare. We have both been coiling at least once a week, sometimes twice a week since our diagnosis a year ago. I don't count the first few months as productive as we were both on Doxy during that time. We cut out anything that could be remotely construed as antibiotic and coiled only using 432, 484 and 306 at the ankles, knees, abdomen, jaw, back of head and three places down the spine. Started out at 30 seconds and worked up to 2 minutes each location. One of my concerns throughout our treatment has been 1) that coiling is only effective against the spirochete form and, 2) that we were not reaching all the places where there were sprirochetes. I had heard about Flaygl being a cyst buster and just last month began searching for a natural, non prescription cyst buster. I discovered that the enzyme Serrapeptase has been found in vitro to not only dissolve the cysts but, also the biofilm that surrounds the bacteria. Grape fruit seed extract (GSE) is a natural broad spectrum antibiotic that may also have anti cyst properties. Armed with this information, I decided to risk myself going on the Serrapatase for a week and then introducing both GSE and collodial Silver a week later. I immediately noticed an increase in herxing over just coiling and knew I was onto something, mopping up something in hiding. I started my wife on the same protocol, she had two weeks of BAD herxing before she started to feel better. During this time we stepped up detox using our far infra red sauna to every other day, making sure to supplement extra electrolytes. I have since revistited the Cowden Support Program and found that Serrapeptase has been added since I originally looked at it a year ago. I started my wife on the first month one of the program two weeks ago as I'm no longer as concerned about chasing things into cyst form; got the key to that lock now. My wifes response to the new two pronged treatment of Rife and natural antibiotics including Serrapatase has been remarkable. Just a few nights ago, and for the first time in two years, she got herself out of bed and wheeled herself to the restromm and back without waking me up! Since then she has continued to improve in her speech with spasticity lessening almost daily. I've since begun catching up on all the outside chores I had to neglect for the past two years. For the last two weeks we have reduced our coiling to just the jaw and back of head with the three frequencies for two minutes each location. Still notice herxing from the coiling and that's good. I'm depending on the natual antibotics to hit all the remote parts as it apparently has been. I share this as just another possibilty for dealing with this hideous disease called lyme. Please do your own searching to see if this adjunt treatment to coiling might be something your interested in. I've been a member here since shortly after diagnosis, viewed a lot but, never felt I had anything to contribute until now. Hang in there everyone! I've been there, it does get better. Sincerely, Will > > Evening all, > > I was hoping you might be able to help me with a few queries. > > The background: > > I was diagnosed with Lyme, Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae last November, it being likely that I contracted one or all in late 2009. Needless to say I'm suffering and the lyme has gone chronic - my CD57 is 27. > > I am currently on a second round of abx. So far I have done 3 months of doxy alone and now i'm mid way through 3 months of amoxi, azithro and tini. > > Whilst I have improved somewhat, I havent improved nearly as much as I had hoped. For this reason and because I'm not particularly overawed by the prospect of taking abx forever and a day I'm investigating alternatives. > > I am already working with a herbalist who is out of the Buhner school. > > I have to opportunity to work with someone using a Doug Coil machine. > > What I would like to know is: > > 1) Is the use of the coil machine with abx completely contraindicated. I understand that the theory is abx force Bb into its cyst form which is not accessible by most abx and rife, and additionally that this can serve to compound the problem as Bb has the capability to multiply on exiting the cyst form. That said I am uncomfortable abandoning the abx at present, understand that tinidazole is active against cysts, and would like to attack the bacteria from as many angles as possible. > > 2) How effective is the coil machine against a) Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae. Would it be a viable approach to, for example, continue to treat Bb with my triple abx combination whilst target the coinfections with rife? I am particularly interested in this as my LLMD wishes to treat Bb with abx first, whilst I attribute many of my overwhelming symptoms to coinfections. > > 3)If abx push the lyme into an inaccessible cyst form why do herbs not have the same effect? Is this true and in this case is the use of the DC with Buhner/ cowden/ Byron White herbs viable? > > I appreciate responses are opnions and do not represent medical advice > > Many thanks for your input, > > Hugh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2012 Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 Will,Just a quick message to say thanks for sharing your experiences and well done for putting in the work and getting better. I hope this continues.All the best,Hugh To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012, 2:04 Subject: Re: Opinions on rife Hello Hugh, My wife also has chronic Lyme, last CD57 was 36 about 6 months ago. Mine was 120, we have not had them retested. I feel great now and herx very mildly if at all. Fortunately I was never chronic which I credit for a quicker recovery than my wife. My wife was misdiagnosed with Parkison's for several years prior to her Lyme diagnosis and hospitalized as a result of the Parkinson's drugs they had her on,it was a mightmare. We have both been coiling at least once a week, sometimes twice a week since our diagnosis a year ago. I don't count the first few months as productive as we were both on Doxy during that time. We cut out anything that could be remotely construed as antibiotic and coiled only using 432, 484 and 306 at the ankles, knees, abdomen, jaw, back of head and three places down the spine. Started out at 30 seconds and worked up to 2 minutes each location. One of my concerns throughout our treatment has been 1) that coiling is only effective against the spirochete form and, 2) that we were not reaching all the places where there were sprirochetes. I had heard about Flaygl being a cyst buster and just last month began searching for a natural, non prescription cyst buster. I discovered that the enzyme Serrapeptase has been found in vitro to not only dissolve the cysts but, also the biofilm that surrounds the bacteria. Grape fruit seed extract (GSE) is a natural broad spectrum antibiotic that may also have anti cyst properties. Armed with this information, I decided to risk myself going on the Serrapatase for a week and then introducing both GSE and collodial Silver a week later. I immediately noticed an increase in herxing over just coiling and knew I was onto something, mopping up something in hiding. I started my wife on the same protocol, she had two weeks of BAD herxing before she started to feel better. During this time we stepped up detox using our far infra red sauna to every other day, making sure to supplement extra electrolytes. I have since revistited the Cowden Support Program and found that Serrapeptase has been added since I originally looked at it a year ago. I started my wife on the first month one of the program two weeks ago as I'm no longer as concerned about chasing things into cyst form; got the key to that lock now. My wifes response to the new two pronged treatment of Rife and natural antibiotics including Serrapatase has been remarkable. Just a few nights ago, and for the first time in two years, she got herself out of bed and wheeled herself to the restromm and back without waking me up! Since then she has continued to improve in her speech with spasticity lessening almost daily. I've since begun catching up on all the outside chores I had to neglect for the past two years. For the last two weeks we have reduced our coiling to just the jaw and back of head with the three frequencies for two minutes each location. Still notice herxing from the coiling and that's good. I'm depending on the natual antibotics to hit all the remote parts as it apparently has been. I share this as just another possibilty for dealing with this hideous disease called lyme. Please do your own searching to see if this adjunt treatment to coiling might be something your interested in. I've been a member here since shortly after diagnosis, viewed a lot but, never felt I had anything to contribute until now. Hang in there everyone! I've been there, it does get better. Sincerely, Will > > Evening all, > > I was hoping you might be able to help me with a few queries. > > The background: > > I was diagnosed with Lyme, Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae last November, it being likely that I contracted one or all in late 2009. Needless to say I'm suffering and the lyme has gone chronic - my CD57 is 27. > > I am currently on a second round of abx. So far I have done 3 months of doxy alone and now i'm mid way through 3 months of amoxi, azithro and tini. > > Whilst I have improved somewhat, I havent improved nearly as much as I had hoped. For this reason and because I'm not particularly overawed by the prospect of taking abx forever and a day I'm investigating alternatives. > > I am already working with a herbalist who is out of the Buhner school. > > I have to opportunity to work with someone using a Doug Coil machine. > > What I would like to know is: > > 1) Is the use of the coil machine with abx completely contraindicated. I understand that the theory is abx force Bb into its cyst form which is not accessible by most abx and rife, and additionally that this can serve to compound the problem as Bb has the capability to multiply on exiting the cyst form. That said I am uncomfortable abandoning the abx at present, understand that tinidazole is active against cysts, and would like to attack the bacteria from as many angles as possible. > > 2) How effective is the coil machine against a) Bartonella and Chlamydia pneumoniae. Would it be a viable approach to, for example, continue to treat Bb with my triple abx combination whilst target the coinfections with rife? I am particularly interested in this as my LLMD wishes to treat Bb with abx first, whilst I attribute many of my overwhelming symptoms to coinfections. > > 3)If abx push the lyme into an inaccessible cyst form why do herbs not have the same effect? Is this true and in this case is the use of the DC with Buhner/ cowden/ Byron White herbs viable? > > I appreciate responses are opnions and do not represent medical advice > > Many thanks for your input, > > Hugh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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