Allergy meds

[Guest guest]

If none are time-released, no problem.

>>>>we came home with Zyrtec, Ranitidine(generic zantac), Nasonex,

Allegra and Singulair.

Uhmmmmm...is your son supposed to be taking ALL of these medications

at the same time? Or is he supposed to try one and if that doesn't

help, try another one? At least start one at a time...not all at once.

Start the enzymes first, then add in the allergy meds one at a time.

The enzymes can increase absorbtion and utilization of everything you

put in your mouth (foods including diet foods, supplements,

medications). So enzymes may improve the effectiveness of the

medications. If you start enzymes first, you will be able to tell

better if the med is helping and what dose you need. If you start the

med first, the body may not be metabolizing it well, so you either

think it isn't helping or you need much more of it. Same principle

applies to supplements.

Here is more on medications:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/dietsmeds.htm

One other point to consider...many medications have artificial

coloring on the outside to help a person readily distinguish them

apart. If your son is reacting to artificial colorings, you might try

washing it off (some do) or asking for the med without coloring.

If the allergy medications don't seem to help as you want them to,

there are two relatively new enzyme products designed just for

allergies. Both are by Enzymedica. The first is Mucostop which

appears to work extremely well on asthma and respiratory illnesses,

if that is part of your son's reactions. I've noticed a medication

called Muconex(sp) very recently being advertised on TV for the same

situation. Mucostop helps with scratching throat, stuffy nose, and

some other related things besides just asthma.

The other is Allerase and I have no feedback at all on it because it

is very new. Haven't studies it enough to really know its mode of

action, but I think it is supposed to get into the blood stream and

break down the compounds that provoke the allergy reaction. The

medications are to treat symptoms after the allergic reaction happens

so you feel better. Two different approaches. Maybe a combination of

both will work out best.

.

[Guest guest]

I had allergies my entire life! Took shots for 6 years....here is my advice:

H.A.S. (Hayfever, Allergy, Sinus) This is an herbal remedy, works VERY well,

and had nearly no side effects (slight loss of appetite). I've used this for

aprox.13 years and LOVE it!

Good Luck,

jornmatt <kjorn@...> wrote:

If none are time-released, no problem.

>>>>we came home with Zyrtec, Ranitidine(generic zantac), Nasonex,

Allegra and Singulair.

Uhmmmmm...is your son supposed to be taking ALL of these medications

at the same time? Or is he supposed to try one and if that doesn't

help, try another one? At least start one at a time...not all at once.

Start the enzymes first, then add in the allergy meds one at a time.

The enzymes can increase absorbtion and utilization of everything you

put in your mouth (foods including diet foods, supplements,

medications). So enzymes may improve the effectiveness of the

medications. If you start enzymes first, you will be able to tell

better if the med is helping and what dose you need. If you start the

med first, the body may not be metabolizing it well, so you either

think it isn't helping or you need much more of it. Same principle

applies to supplements.

Here is more on medications:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/dietsmeds.htm

One other point to consider...many medications have artificial

coloring on the outside to help a person readily distinguish them

apart. If your son is reacting to artificial colorings, you might try

washing it off (some do) or asking for the med without coloring.

If the allergy medications don't seem to help as you want them to,

there are two relatively new enzyme products designed just for

allergies. Both are by Enzymedica. The first is Mucostop which

appears to work extremely well on asthma and respiratory illnesses,

if that is part of your son's reactions. I've noticed a medication

called Muconex(sp) very recently being advertised on TV for the same

situation. Mucostop helps with scratching throat, stuffy nose, and

some other related things besides just asthma.

The other is Allerase and I have no feedback at all on it because it

is very new. Haven't studies it enough to really know its mode of

action, but I think it is supposed to get into the blood stream and

break down the compounds that provoke the allergy reaction. The

medications are to treat symptoms after the allergic reaction happens

so you feel better. Two different approaches. Maybe a combination of

both will work out best.

.

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[Guest guest]

Tami: I sincerely doubt that the ingredients in those meds are causing the panic attacks. Sounds like you need to talk to someone who is an expert in that field and get treated for these. You shouldn't have to 'figure' everything out yourself and try to treat it yourself. Dealing with a chronic disease is a bear and one is much more likely to have depression and panic attacks with a chronic disease than without. Best of luck. Carol

allergy meds

Hi all. I have yet another problem. I've been having panic attacks again. I think when it happened in Feb. I was doing nasal sprays. Is it at all possible that the active ingredients in astelin or nasonex or allegra pills can cause this? If I wasn't depressed before, I am slowly feeling quite defeated now. I have such wierd drug reactions. If I take a muscle relaxer/anti anxiety drug, I get more agitated. What the heck. Is there anyone out there who can tell me if these are normal side affects. I got these things as samples and don't have the info. Last week my energy started coming back in leaps and bounds. I'd take demerol if my head hurt and just continue working outside. I thought I had everything under control. I was happy and then panic attacks hit. I'm really a fighter and don't give up easily, but am close to throwing in the towel. Please help me.

Tami

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Hi Tami,

I have some odd advice; try sleeping in a tent for a week or two. It will eliminate your house as a source of your symptoms. I am sensitive to many other triggers, like formaldehyde, mold, and esp. VOC’s. If you are better after sleeping outside, you can either clean your house thoroughly (a daunting task) or build a clean room addition. Either way it is good to know if you are better outside or not.

Good luck to you, I can empathize with your frustration.

Pam

On 4/30/06 3:56 PM, " Tami Klumpyan " <tami@...> wrote:

Hi all. I have yet another problem. I've been having panic attacks again. I think when it happened in Feb. I was doing nasal sprays. Is it at all possible that the active ingredients in astelin or nasonex or allegra pills can cause this? If I wasn't depressed before, I am slowly feeling quite defeated now. I have such wierd drug reactions. If I take a muscle relaxer/anti anxiety drug, I get more agitated. What the heck. Is there anyone out there who can tell me if these are normal side affects. I got these things as samples and don't have the info. Last week my energy started coming back in leaps and bounds. I'd take demerol if my head hurt and just continue working outside. I thought I had everything under control. I was happy and then panic attacks hit. I'm really a fighter and don't give up easily, but am close to throwing in the towel. Please help me.

Tami

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[Guest guest]

Tami, I think many of us here have very reactive systems to many

things, and so it is very well possible that your panic attacks could

be caused by meds you are taking. I would say definite possible yes

toto the Astelin or Allegra possibly contributing to panic attacks,

although I am not sure what is in them. The Nasonex I think would be

less likely to cause this.

Man, I've had strange side effects to so many things that people had a

hard time believing. I went completely psychotic on large doses of

Decadron during my chemotherapy and had to be put on antipsychotic

medications while I was on the Decadron. My favorite is auditory

hallucations from Companzine. Fun. I'm seriously NOT someone who has

that spectrum of psychiatric problems ever without meds. I do have

depression, but never with psychosis and never psychosis by itself

without the meds.

Also theophylline made me hear voices as well. They did not believe

me, (not the voices, the doctors, LOL) but it only happened on higher

doses of theophylline and never without it, so that seemed pretty

clear to me.

ANYWAY I do also think for the panic attacks, which I do not mean in

any way to compare to psychosis, that there are additional things you

can do. I only say this because I use them all the time. I use

meditation CDs and music. I get panic attacks a fair amount,

especially after being diagnosed with cancer, and I've sometimes have

posttraumatic stress type of symptoms and panic attacks.

The medication I have found that works the best for me is Ativan.

LOVE that stuff -- works very very well. But maybe you have already

tried that. Valium has also had an agitating effect on me, I think

some of them can, but no idea why that would happen.

But the meditation and imagery CDs can work very well at quieting down

the system and helping you to be less reactive to your environment.

Right now I am using a great one for irritable bowel syndrome but it

talks a lot about quieting the immune system and I think it could be

applicable to many other situations.

I get them from healthjourneys.com, and I get a discount through my

health insurance which I think you can get as well, 20 percent off if

you put in the code " Oxford. " (I think it will work, but can't

promise).

Hang in there. Panic attacks don't last forver, although when you

have them I realize it seems like they will.

Lori

[Guest guest]

So, we're evidently working on a 50/50 split. I'm going to vote

for " yes " . Any medication that has a tendency to make you feel hyped

up probably has a tendency to create anxiety-type symptoms. If you

look at the Epi-pen, for example, it can make you sort of jittery

and anxious and paranoid. I've heard of people having panic attacks

related to excessive inhaler usage (Not that I'd know personally.

<cough>)

I can tell you this: Astelin really screws with my body. I have a

tendency to pass out within a few hours of taking it, sometimes

repeatedly. It can make me put on huge amounts of weight overnight.

It can also just make me feel generally bad. I wouldn't be surprised

if it's the source of this problem.

Also, meds like Allegra can come with their own list of issues. I

can't take allergy meds, period. They make my stomach sick, my heart

race, and make me feel like I'd like to go to sleep, even " non-

drowsy " Allegra.

I'd say to trust your instincts on the whole thing.

Although, the only thing I will say is that the further you get into

a Samters downslide, the worse your head can get. I'm not usually

depressed... but then I'll sometimes hit a point after a few months

of being ill when I'm ready to just end it. While I'll readily

acknowledge the psychological effects of long-term illness, I

question whether Samters has added physiological components. For

instance, when I'm having trouble breathing, sometimes my first clue

is that I'll start crying for no discernable reason. That's usually

my cue that the peak flow has plummeted like a stone. Just try to

look for that kind of stuff. Sometimes, a small problem can set off

a chain reaction.

You've been pretty peaky lately. Know that I'm thinking about you. I

hope you feel better soon.

>

> Hi all. I have yet another problem. I've been having panic

attacks again. I think when it happened in Feb. I was doing nasal

sprays. Is it at all possible that the active ingredients in

astelin or nasonex or allegra pills can cause this? If I wasn't

depressed before, I am slowly feeling quite defeated now. I have

such wierd drug reactions. If I take a muscle relaxer/anti anxiety

drug, I get more agitated. What the heck. Is there anyone out

there who can tell me if these are normal side affects. I got these

things as samples and don't have the info. Last week my energy

started coming back in leaps and bounds. I'd take demerol if my

head hurt and just continue working outside. I thought I had

everything under control. I was happy and then panic attacks hit.

I'm really a fighter and don't give up easily, but am close to

throwing in the towel. Please help me.

> Tami

>

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> However - I am having a rough time right now with waking up with a

> sore throat (feels like strep throat) and having 'sinus headaches'

> often. I know your stance on allergies - that they are healing

> reactions, but this seems to be the seasonal version. My question

is:

> how bad would it mess me up to take Zertec daily for a couple

weeks?

> Is it very harmful? Would it set me back?

+++Hi Kathy. That's wonderful you are feeling good without meds.

Well done!

What you are experiencing is called " retracing " of previous episodes

when you had a sore throat and sinus headaches, which is according to

Hering's Law of Cures:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal8.php

So you won't have any " real infection " since retracing doesn't

include any bugs attacking the tissues - if you got checked by the

doctor there wouldn't be any bugs found either.

So, it would be best to treat yourself with natural remedies rather

than resort to any drugs, which are very toxic and poisonous.

For your throat do the treatments suggested in this article about

Mouth Thrush:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat18.php

For your sinuses see this:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sinus4.php

For pain sniff a bottle of oil of oregano, or mix it 50/50 with

coconut oil and put a little under your nose; it is just as powerful

a pain killer as morphine. You can also rub the mixture into your

sinuses and nose (just be sure to not get it in your eyes). Also

apply wet heat to your sinuses, and take Epsom Salt baths to relax

and help you detoxify.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, Bee. I read all three articles, and I will try some

of the suggestions tonight!

As you may remember, I've tried Parsley Tea for my bladder several

times, and it works well! But I never tried the Garlic Tea, because I

am afraid I will smell like garlic and have garlic breath. Now, here's

Garlic Tea again in both the throat and the sinus articles. This would

probably be something good for me to try. Does it cause a person to be

odorous?

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks very much, Bee. I read all three articles, and I will try some

> of the suggestions tonight!

>

> As you may remember, I've tried Parsley Tea for my bladder several

> times, and it works well! But I never tried the Garlic Tea, because I

> am afraid I will smell like garlic and have garlic breath. Now,

here's

> Garlic Tea again in both the throat and the sinus articles. This

would

> probably be something good for me to try. Does it cause a person to

be

> odorous?

+++Hi Kathy. Yes, garlic can be odorous. Instead, I suggest you use 3%

hydrogen peroxide mixed 50/50 for your throat (do not swallow it), and

make " sodium ascorbate " for your nose/sinuses:

" Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C) — Make your own sodium ascorbate by

mixing equal amounts of ascorbic acid crystals (available at the health

store) and baking soda - stir together to mix well. Put 3/4 of a

teaspoon of that mixture into slightly less than 1/2 cup of warm

sterile water (sterilize tap water by boiling it for 30 minutes). Mix

well and put 10-20 drops in each nostril, OR using a nasal spray bottle

squirt it 3 times into each nostril. Taking vitamin C this way

increases absorption by 1,000 times over taking it by mouth. "

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

Thank you once again. I will definitely try the Sodium Ascorbate this

weekend. I will try the peroxide solution tonight. Thank you!

+++Hi Kathy. Yes, garlic can be odorous. Instead, I suggest you use

3%

> hydrogen peroxide mixed 50/50 for your throat (do not swallow it),

and

> make " sodium ascorbate " for your nose/sinuses:

>

> " Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C) — Make your own sodium ascorbate by

> mixing equal amounts of ascorbic acid crystals (available at the

health

> store) and baking soda - stir together to mix well. Put 3/4 of a

> teaspoon of that mixture into slightly less than 1/2 cup of warm

> sterile water (sterilize tap water by boiling it for 30 minutes).

Mix

> well and put 10-20 drops in each nostril, OR using a nasal spray

bottle

> squirt it 3 times into each nostril. Taking vitamin C this way

> increases absorption by 1,000 times over taking it by mouth. "

>

> Luv, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

My son started Valtrex in January following was nizoral and paxil.

In march he started having major problems in school. His allergies were giving

him many problems, so in march Dr. G told me to give allergy meds. I started

with Zyrtec then Claritan. When those gave him problems, Dr. G prescribed

allegra. I believe these allergy meds are a trigger. I was wondering if Dr. G

would allow me to do the allergy meds every other day. I have a friend of mine

who does that with her son that has dyslexia, and that helps with his behavior

as well as his allergies.