Re: How do I know if my GB4000 with MOPA is working? Or is it me?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I am not sure how anyone can " fail " rife... It is a pathogen killer, if you kill

pathogens then you didn't fail..

And just the fact you are working with your machine at killing this disease off

means you did fail, you fail

when you stop treating and give up and nobody here is going to let you do that!!

If you also have Lyme then you most likely are also low on magnesium and for

many of us heavy metals

are issues we have to deal with.. It is not about pathogens only.. And

unfortunately, there is no " common "

treatment protocol to cure these diseases, even LLMDs have to try different

things to help their patients

to get better.

Now sometimes you need to try different frx's and I would suggest you use just

one frx at a time and only

work on killing one disease at a time.. For Babs (I think this is what you are

treating for) try using 570 and

if it doesn't work after a while, 1583. Place the MOPA device close to the liver

when using it.. I don't know

how much time to suggest per session as this is a newer device, but you keep

increasing the session times

until you have a normal kind of herx, more fatigue, more brain fog, generally

feeling crappier and usually

for up to 3 days, sometimes a bit more.

The GB4000/MOPA is a very powerful device and is believed to be the closest

technology to what Dr. Rife

used, so you have an excellent machine to be using for this. I honestly believe

as an overall rife

machine, the GB4000/MOPA is one of the best if not the best..

There are two very divided thoughts on raising Cortisol, some believe that using

very small doses of Hydrocortisone

is okay as long as you don't take more than what the body needs.... WARNING: If

you do take too much, this can

really cause you to crash and the journey back can be a long one.. LLMDs like

Dr. Burrascano believe steroids should

never be used, instead treating with herbs only...

And definitely don't lose hope, getting well from these diseases is really a

process of trying many things and

sticking with those that work.. AND there is no simple answer, what works for me

may not work for you and vice versa.

I would suggest if you do decide on Cortisol replacement do so at 2.5mg and have

your levels checked often.

A lot of us have adrenal and thyroid issues, these are very complicated

illnesses and the best way to get better

is to try to chip away at not only the diseases, but also the symptoms.

Sue, you can do this, it just takes a lot of patience and trying different

things and sticking with those that work..

Hang in there,

Jim

>

> I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced

anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel

depressed and crummy all the time.

>

> I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of them.

>

> My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's working.

>

> Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

>

> I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3), cold

all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues? Have

been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme

community.

>

> Losing hope.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

I was just reading something where a doctor said she treats candida before LD,

and I know many doctors treat co-infections before they treat LD. The first

thing my doctor did, after treating candida, was to treat for heavy metals,

which actually made things worse (we didn't know I had LD, and releasing heavy

metals released spirochetes into my system). You do have to be very careful!

When I first began rifing I got very tired afterward, and often had mild

diarrhea--nothing violent or intolerable. A gentle herx that you hardly notice

is good. They also took me off the vegetarian diet and got me eating salmon.

So build yourself up with protein, fish oils, and lots of fresh vegetables. And

start weaning yourself of simple carbohydrates and caffein, if you haven't done

so already.

When I first started rifing, i had several treatments at a clinic before i ever

bought the machine. So I was well-supervised and had expert advice from a

doctor who knew me well. Rifing on your own can be very intimidating. Give it

some time.

Have you read Rosner's LYME DISEASE & RIFE MACHINES? There is so much

good advice in that book!

And by the way, did you find " inflammation " in your frequency manual?

Khaya

>

> I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced

anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel

depressed and crummy all the time.

>

> I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of them.

>

> My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's working.

>

> Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

>

> I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3), cold

all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues? Have

been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme

community.

>

> Losing hope.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Sue, I agree with Jim. I have had some of the same issues and I'll suggest some

things based just on my own experience, which may or may not work for you.

First, if you have tried a frequency by itself and worked up to 5 minutes, then

I would switch frequencies for now. You might respond to it later, see below.

Second, if you are starting out treating babesia and having no response, I would

make the guess that babesia is not the " top dog " of your infections right now.

If you have babs, there is a very high likelihood you have borrelia and perhaps

bartonella. For me, these two are much more powerful than babesia and hold it

down. And when I started, I initially followed Stolar's suggestion to

treat bart first. I worked up to 5 minutes with no response to 832 Hz. He then

told me to try borrelia at 432 Hz. I had a good response to that once I got up

to several minutes. After 2-3 months on that, I tried 832 again and DID

respond. So my suggestion is to consider trying to treat either of those

infections. There are several frequencies to try and bartonella is harder to

find the right one. (832 has not been the answer for me.)

Third, some people don't have herx symptoms, they just get better.

Lastly, about the thyroid, etc. I think it is important to treat these things

to some degree. Our bodies are not working well in many areas and we have to

support them while we treat the bugs. For me, RT3 became a problem when my

thyroid medication was reformulated by the company and I no longer absorbed it.

After many months, I finally stabilized on pure T3 (I buy it from Mexico) plus a

tiny amount of Naturethroid (this evens me out so I don't go up and down). I

also discovered that Vitamin C is the raw material for the adrenals to make

hormone. Salt and electrolyte balance is important for thyroid to be utilized,

get across the cell membrane and for the adrenals to work. I would do all of

this before considering cortisol in any amount. Then I would also try some

adrenal supports to see if you can recover without the cortisol. I was on small

doses of cortisol for a short time but in retrospect I wish I had NOT followed

the advice on those forums about this. I also have a bit of a theory that

electrolyte balance may be important for the rife to be most effective. In

addition, damage to my gut caused malaborpsion and even though I was not thin, I

was extremely malnourished. I take B vitamins by self-injection, magnesium by

injection, and cysteine and glutathione by injection. In addition, I take

specific amino acids that I need to support detox (taurine, glycine and NAC). I

have friend who is not a lymie but has the thyroid RT3 adrenal issues and she

hugely regrets doing the cortisol thing. She now does well on pure T3 only but

needs a monthly vitamin/mineral IV. No matter what she tries to do orally, she

needs this IV. She is very active and generally healthy other than needing to

restrict her diet. So do consider that you might be deficient.

And as Jim says, detoxing including heavy metals and toxins from our infections

is very important.

You have about the best machine out there, as far as I am aware, and I'd stick

with the process. There is much trial and error for all of us.

Sherry

> >

> > I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced

anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel

depressed and crummy all the time.

> >

> > I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of them.

> >

> > My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's working.

> >

> > Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

> >

> > I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3),

cold all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues?

Have been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme

community.

> >

> > Losing hope.

> >

> > Sue

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello sue, I too have issues with thyroid and coristol levels. I am waiting for results I just had drawn at the lab and I will share what the dr suggests for coristol levels. I do believe mines from toxic mold exposures in our home were now trying to get moved out of. Are you sure you aren't being exposed to any types of mold? I didn't know for 6 Yrs. The Picc treatments I had inky made me worse making my candida way higher from antibiotics. Lyme sure does complicate our lives. Nothings easy anymore but we will fight and get through all this keep your chin up and save my email please and check back in about two weeks ok? That test takes 10 days to get results back. It was shoemaker genetics test and shows complex coristol results. Take care, carrie Sent from my iPhone

I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel depressed and crummy all the time.

I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of them.

My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's working.

Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3), cold all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues? Have been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme community.

Losing hope.

Sue

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[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who replied. I bought my machine on Ebay, so have no one to

support me through this process.

I think I need to find someone to consult with who can help me with the

frequencies I should use.

Any suggestions on how I can find a naturopath who works with Rife? I'm in

Princeton, New Jersey.

I've heard Nenah Sylver offers(for rather a large fee), phone consults, but have

no idea if she's a good resource for our types of problems.

thanks.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

My MD who is also a wholistic doctor put me on two types of thyroid since I did

not convert T3 to T4. I am on Westhroid and Liothyronine which is compounded.

You may not be converting T3 to T4 and if that is the case your body temp will

be very low. Mine was around 94. Now it is close to normal. It is amazing how

much better you will feel just getting the Thyroid and adrenals working. I am

also doing an adrenal supplement that I think works very well. It is called

Sub-Adrene by American Biologics. It comes in drops and you place it under the

tongue. It has worked much better for me then the Bezwecken Isocort that I used

to take.

I would also get some Nutramedix Pinella and Burbur and take about 60 drops a

day or so after you have run the MOPA. See if that helps you to feel better.

If it does, then you will know that some of how you are feeling is herx related.

If your plasma bulb is lighting up, then it is working. You should also notice

that as frequencies change on the GB 4000 frequency generator the bulb will

light with varying intensities. You also could be sensitive to the Plasma bulb

which is my problem. I can stand about 10 minutes of any Plasma device before I

start getting EMF sensitive, then sitting in front of a wifi device will cause

my head to start tremoring.

>

> I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced

anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel

depressed and crummy all the time.

>

> I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of them.

>

> My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's working.

>

> Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

>

> I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3), cold

all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues? Have

been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme

community.

>

> Losing hope.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

Yes, the tube lights up. It seems to get hotter at the lower frequencies and has

lower output at the higher ones. I had the EBay seller ship it to the

manufacturer in Utah to check it out, so I guess at this point I have to figure

it's working.

Yes, I have the high reverse T3 problem. I will look into the adrenal support

you mention. I would like to treat the thyroid issue, but didn't think I could

with low cortisol(it's low normal in the am, then bottoms out.). Sounds like you

have a similar problem, but that you've resolved it.

I think I also need some Natur-throid as well as T3--otherwise I get very

depressed mid-afternoon. This was back when I was on about 30 mg of cortisol and

T3 only--which my then-doctor encouraged. I fear taking the cortisol actually

brought out the diseases and got me in this sorry mess. It's not to be taken

lightly.

Sue

[Guest guest]

I take my thyroid in a divided dose--120mg in the morning, and 60mg before

lunch. That helps me get through the afternoon.

Khaya

>

> Thanks, .

>

> Yes, the tube lights up. It seems to get hotter at the lower frequencies and

has lower output at the higher ones. I had the EBay seller ship it to the

manufacturer in Utah to check it out, so I guess at this point I have to figure

it's working.

>

> Yes, I have the high reverse T3 problem. I will look into the adrenal support

you mention. I would like to treat the thyroid issue, but didn't think I could

with low cortisol(it's low normal in the am, then bottoms out.). Sounds like you

have a similar problem, but that you've resolved it.

>

> I think I also need some Natur-throid as well as T3--otherwise I get very

depressed mid-afternoon. This was back when I was on about 30 mg of cortisol and

T3 only--which my then-doctor encouraged. I fear taking the cortisol actually

brought out the diseases and got me in this sorry mess. It's not to be taken

lightly.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Funny you asked about molds, because my biggest problems seems to arise from

molds. I raked leaves in my backyard after the snow melted away and the leaf

molds really set me back. I tend to have food allergies and I believe a lot of

these are caused by molds on foods which if you eat leftovers or any stored

foods you can't get away from molds. I feel terrible every time I walk into a

sick building and have worked in old public schools for a long time and I know

they have all had a leaky roof from time to time. Whoever came up with the

concept of a flat roof on schools had no clue about indoor mold problems that

is for sure. I am due to retire next year from teaching, so i am hoping that

getting out of schools once and for all will help my mold issue. My house now

is fine, but I have lived in moldy homes in the past.

>

> > I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced

anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel

depressed and crummy all the time.

> >

> > I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of them.

> >

> > My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's working.

> >

> > Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

> >

> > I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3),

cold all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues?

Have been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme

community.

> >

> > Losing hope.

> >

> > Sue

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[Guest guest]

The GB 4000 folks have been very helpful to me. I would just call them. They

have sat on the phone with me for a long time.

Good luck,

>

> Thanks to everyone who replied. I bought my machine on Ebay, so have no one to

support me through this process.

>

> I think I need to find someone to consult with who can help me with the

frequencies I should use.

>

> Any suggestions on how I can find a naturopath who works with Rife? I'm in

Princeton, New Jersey.

>

> I've heard Nenah Sylver offers(for rather a large fee), phone consults, but

have no idea if she's a good resource for our types of problems.

>

> thanks.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I think Naturthroid is just a T3 supplement like westhroid. You may need a T4

supplement too. I take both Westhroid and Liothyronine 2 times a day. and that

has worked well for me. I hope you can get some resolution for some of your

endocrine problems.

>

> Thanks, .

>

> Yes, the tube lights up. It seems to get hotter at the lower frequencies and

has lower output at the higher ones. I had the EBay seller ship it to the

manufacturer in Utah to check it out, so I guess at this point I have to figure

it's working.

>

> Yes, I have the high reverse T3 problem. I will look into the adrenal support

you mention. I would like to treat the thyroid issue, but didn't think I could

with low cortisol(it's low normal in the am, then bottoms out.). Sounds like you

have a similar problem, but that you've resolved it.

>

> I think I also need some Natur-throid as well as T3--otherwise I get very

depressed mid-afternoon. This was back when I was on about 30 mg of cortisol and

T3 only--which my then-doctor encouraged. I fear taking the cortisol actually

brought out the diseases and got me in this sorry mess. It's not to be taken

lightly.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

WOW ,

You're still working through this whole LD ordeal! I'm impressed! But I

definitely agree that molds are a huge problem, and school systems are not

inclined to deal with them unless they are forced to do so, since most of them

are financially challenged. My husband missed a whole year of elementary school

because of mold. The following year his parents put him into a private school.

That was in the 1940's--I think nowadays in Michigan a school with a severe mold

problem would be closed until it was taken care of.

Khaya

> >

> > > I have rifed channels and individual frequencies, but have not experienced

anything. Nada. Not that I really have any idea of what to expect, since I feel

depressed and crummy all the time.

> > >

> > > I've heard people can 'fail' rife and now wonder if I might be one of

them.

> > >

> > > My machine seems to come on and light up, but I don't know if it's

working.

> > >

> > > Is there any common problem that rife failures have?

> > >

> > > I have a depressed immune system and am hypothyroid(too much reverse T3),

cold all the time, and have low cortisol. Perhaps I should fix these issues?

Have been holding off since cortisol replacement get such a bad rap in the lyme

community.

> > >

> > > Losing hope.

> > >

> > > Sue

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[Guest guest]

No, I'm pretty sure Naturthroid/Westhroid and Armour are all mixtures of T3 and

T4. Liothyronine is T3 only, as I'm sure you know. What you are taking is no

doubt to correct your reverse T3 problem by supplying extra T3 directly, so the

end result is a higher T3:T4 ratio than Westhroid offers by itself.

When I was taking thyroid hormones, I was taking T3 only, which gave me too many

ups and downs.The T4 helps with that.

Sue