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Hi group

We have just completed our workshop this past Saturday and are beginning our

program this week. YEAH!!!

Anyway- can anyone give me some good ideas concerning materials? It is so

hard to be creative and I dug up alot of items but I am now stuck for new ideas.

I am loking for ideas for non verbal imitation and function programs.

Also, what is everybody doing as far as object id goes? Cards or actual

objects?

If you can think of any other ideas please forward. Maybe since everyone here

is either doing this program or looking into it maybe we can make this an

ongoing thing to help suggest materials to each other. I don't know about

everyone else, but I am getting stuck on keeping items fresh and new.

Thanks for the help

Stacey

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Hi Jay,

My son has had intensive ABA since he was 25 months

(1.5 years now). We started with a Lovaas type

program and switched to a verbal behavior (Partington

ans Sundberg - which is done by Vince Carbonne here in

Florida) model. Just curious which type of ABA you

practice and think is more effective. As a parent and

an educator- M.S. in Special Education with a focus on

learning disabilities, I cannot do the Lovaas method

with my son. It has done a lot of good, but has also

taught him how to be passively non-compliant. We have

just begun to chelate and also wonder how effective

our son's therapy may be when he not as responsive as

he usually is. What is your opinion on this as well?

Thanks.

--- Jay Goldwein <getinline@...> wrote:

> Hi Randee,

>

> I believe that your idea about the remediating

> effects of ABA are in line

> with others' views. Many believe that while the

> central nervous system is

> immature and developing, some unpredictable amount

> of " rewiring " can occur.

> This may be one reason that the earlier intensive

> teaching can begin,

> generally, the better the outcome. From my limited

> and very distant past

> psychobiology coursework, one of my favorite

> concepts was of the redundancy

> built into the remarkable human brain. Damaged

> pathways can sometimes be

> circumvented by the development of new neural

> connections. While I believe

> this is easier to accomplish at earlier ages, I

> recall hearing within the

> past year of some research that demonstrated that

> the " window of

> opportunity " does not completely close and that

> there remains significant

> neural plasticity well into adulthood.

>

> By the way, I did previously post occasionally on

> the Me-List (often oddly

> on potty training . I still lurk on the list, but

> rarely post anymore. I

> tended to post on some controversial topics such as

> sensory integration

> which resulted in some pretty severe bashing. I

> tend not to enjoy spending

> time trying to help people and being bashed for the

> effort.

>

> Regards,

>

> Jay

>

>

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Suzanne M. Schwarz

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[Guest guest]

I cannot do the Lovaas method

>with my son. It has done a lot of good, but has also

>taught him how to be passively non-compliant.

The Lovaas method did not teach him to be passively noncompliant. This would

be a result of improper technique. It's very easy to do it wrong!

I have worked with my own child and others for seven years now and I can

look back on our program and see our mistakes. Fortunately now, I can also

pick up on them when they are being made in the programs I supervise and can

work at helping the therapists change their technique.

I only wish I had the expertise I have now at the time when my daughter

could have benefitted . I have no doubt that most children who do poorly

with an aba program would do better with a more skilled, more heavily

supervised program.

And btw, verbal behavior has it's problems too. I have seen a lot of kids

get very frustrated with the " fluency training " and multiple targets. Again

, this is not do to the methodology but the implementation. I take a little

from both methods now and try very hard to build the program around the

individual child. It is really the only way to be successful.

It just irks me when I hear people bash Lovaas or aba in general because of

bad experiences that were due to mistakes made by inexperienced or poorly

skilled practitioners.

When I consider that my daughter could be better than she is I don't

consider the failure to be in the method, but in the weaknesses in my

understanding of the concepts, our inability to adequately train our

therapists or our inability to recognise incompetence in professionals we

trusted.

Lynettte

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Hi Suzanne,

I was just in Florida for a surprise 80th birthday party for my dad.

I'm very reluctant to discuss ABA methodology especially on a list which was

not intended for that purpose. Discussions of Lovaas vs. Verbal Behavior,

no-no-prompting vs. errorless learning, etc. tend to be fruitless from my

perspective as I think there are probably advantages and disadvantages for

any methods. In my experience, there are consultants/therapists who are

fluent in behavioral technology and those who are less so. There are

therapists that are natural with and reinforcing for children and there

those who are less so. There are therapists who are good teachers (read

good at using differential reinforcement, prompting/prompt fading, eliciting

and expanding language, etc.) and those who are less so. There are

therapists who are reliable and care about the children and families they

work with and those who are less so. All of these qualities transcend

method and for my money are more important.

My work would definitely be considered Lovaas. Currently, as you are

undoubtably aware, Verbal Behavior is the flavor of the month. I routinely

see Verbal Behavior being touted as " better " on various lists while Lovaas

is freqently bashed. When I read the criticisms of Lovaas based ABA, it

appears to me that those critical have little experience with more recent,

quality Lovaas style programming. For instance, online comparisons of

Lovaas vs. Verbal Behavior have criticized Lovaas based ABA as teaching

mostly receptive skills with little emphasis on language. My training which

I incorporate with all the children I work with is to teach functional

requesting (manding in VB terms) at the very start of programming and I

certainly emphasize expressive language in my programming. There are lots

of other misconceptions that I won't describe further here.

Despite the " inferiority " of Lovaas based ABA, my experience both in an

intensive preschool in which I worked (Young Autism Program in Long Island)

where children received 40 hours of 1:1 between school and home and the home

programs I currently supervise has produced very satisfying results. I

routinely help preschool age children gain the receptive and expressive

skills to attend typical preschools. I have worked with children who have

gone back into regular education kindergarten and currently have a few

preschool age children that I expect to enter regular kindergarten in the

next few years.

As for programming during chelation, in my home programs I generally use

objective measures of illness to guide parent's decisions. For instance,

most parents wouldn't send their child to school if they had a fever or a

strep throat, etc. Other than these types of things, I recommend parents

continue their home programming for things like " not feeling well, " " not

himself, " etc. In these cases, some progress on those days, even if it is

not as good as other days, is better than no progress. If you have a

maintenance book of previously mastered programs that you occasionally run,

you might do these on days when your child is less responsive.

Regards,

Jay

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--- Lynette Rorer <l_rorer@...> wrote:

>

>

> I cannot do the Lovaas method

> >with my son. It has done a lot of good, but has

> also

> >taught him how to be passively non-compliant.

>

>

> The Lovaas method did not teach him to be passively

> noncompliant. This would

> be a result of improper technique. It's very easy to

> do it wrong!

So, what is the right way? I mean I cannot

continually repeat the same prompt while taking data

for every prompt, however, I can prompt with a

motivator and elicit a response from my son. I'm not

at all bashing the method, just the inexperienced

therapists.

> I have worked with my own child and others for seven

> years now and I can

> look back on our program and see our mistakes.

> Fortunately now, I can also

> pick up on them when they are being made in the

> programs I supervise and can

> work at helping the therapists change their

> technique.

> I only wish I had the expertise I have now at the

> time when my daughter

> could have benefitted . I have no doubt that most

> children who do poorly

> with an aba program would do better with a more

> skilled, more heavily

> supervised program.

> And btw, verbal behavior has it's problems too. I

> have seen a lot of kids

> get very frustrated with the " fluency training " and

> multiple targets. Again

> , this is not do to the methodology but the

> implementation. I take a little

> from both methods now and try very hard to build the

> program around the

> individual child. It is really the only way to be

> successful.

> It just irks me when I hear people bash Lovaas or

> aba in general because of

> bad experiences that were due to mistakes made by

> inexperienced or poorly

> skilled practitioners.

> When I consider that my daughter could be better

> than she is I don't

> consider the failure to be in the method, but in the

> weaknesses in my

> understanding of the concepts, our inability to

> adequately train our

> therapists or our inability to recognise

> incompetence in professionals we

> trusted.

Well, when my son first started ABA, they held him

in the chair to get him to stay there even if he

flipped out from it. When my son realized that

flipping out would only make someone put their hands

on him, he decided to stop attending and look away

or inward. I eventually put a stop to this because I

feel the point of therapy is to get the child to be

in the world with you. Most parents in this

particular program did not stop this and their

children progressed at a much slower rate. Anyway,

all of this sitting is making my 3.6 yr. old a

little chubby, so we've signed him up for sports, only

do eight hours of therapy per week (VB), and decided

to try every medical intervention under the son

(chelation, FGF, Bioresonance, Homeopathic detox,

etc.)

> Lynettte

>

>

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Lovaas has only himself to blame, at least in part, for the bashing. The " Me

Book " , which is ancient and has not been re-written in the last 25 or so

years(as far as I know) still touts corporal punishment and instructs you how

to raise your arm as if you're going to hit the child to " instill fear in

these children " . The electric shocks treatments he used still leave a bad

taste in people's mouths. I know it's not done any more, but Lovaas hasn't

gone out his way to promotethe importance of more child-friendly, humane

methods. But, you're right, this isn't the list for this type of discussion,

which could go on longer than the Middle Eastern conflicts.

[Guest guest]

> Lovaas has only himself to blame, at least in part, for the

bashing. The " Me

> Book " , which is ancient and has not been re-written in the last 25

or so

> years(as far as I know) still touts corporal punishment and

instructs you how

> to raise your arm as if you're going to hit the child to " instill

fear in

> these children " . The electric shocks treatments he used still leave

a bad

> taste in people's mouths. I know it's not done any more, but Lovaas

hasn't

> gone out his way to promotethe importance of more child-friendly,

humane

> methods. But, you're right, this isn't the list for this type of

discussion,

> which could go on longer than the Middle Eastern conflicts.

>

>

I don't believe Lovaas ever used electric shock. He did use other

forms of milder punishers. The fact is we all have had our behavior

shaped and refined in our development by a history of reinforcement

and punishment of various levels of aversiveness. Completely

sheltering disabled children from natural consequences (both

reinforcers and punishers) in natural, typical environments has only

functioned to further isolate them from normal socialization.

Actually, Lovaas has been out and about in the last 5 years or so

speaking at conferences all over. Anyone who has seen him would know

he is quite obviously a caring and compassionate clinician who is

warm, down to earth, and funny. Parts of his approach have changed,

but many behavioral principles do not and will not ever change.

Lets not throw out the baby with the bath water. While the Me Book

is old, the behavioral principles of the book have not changed and

are as meaningful currently as they were 20 years ago. Techniques

such as using echolalia to our advantage in establishing functional

language are still successfully used by most ABA professionals

including myself.

Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" >

....I don't believe Lovaas ever used electric shock.  He did use other

>forms of milder punishers.  The fact is we all have had our behavior

>shaped and refined in our development by a history of reinforcement

>and punishment of various levels of aversiveness.  Completely

>sheltering disabled children from natural consequences (both

>reinforcers and punishers) in natural, typical environments has only

>functioned to further isolate them from normal socialization.

>

>Actually, Lovaas has been out and about in the last 5 years or so

>speaking at conferences all over.  Anyone who has seen him would know

>he is quite obviously a caring and compassionate clinician who is

>warm, down to earth, and funny.  Parts of his approach have changed,

>but many behavioral principles do not and will not ever change.....

I know psych students who were shown film footage of him using electric shock.

I remember my parents showing me an article about him when I was a child and

they were discussing the shock treatment. I would not put a cent in the pocket

of this animal. It is a great pity that some of his victims are not able to

prosecute Lovaas or his cohorts for child abuse.

Personally, I do not believe that he has changed his nature that much or he

would be very apologetic about his mistakes and brutality. However these days

there is more money to be made out of appearing caring.

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Jay - Not to beat this to death, but Lovaas's use of electric shock

punishment is not a matter of opinion - it's documented. One of our program

directors, who was personally trained by him, verified this. I also had a

hard time believing it. And yes, I agree, consequences are a natural part of

life, but hitting kids (especially disabled kids) kinda doesn't sit well with

me....

I used to be a heavy weight Lovaas proponent, so I know where you're coming

from, but parents need to know that there are alternatives and more modern

appraoches out there that the old style ABA. I think " blends " are best.

[Guest guest]

I asked my husband this morning, if Lovaas had used electroshock therapy on the

children many years ago when he was a child; and he said, " yes, " but that he

had forgotten about it. Rose

RE: [ ] Re: ABA

I know psych students who were shown film footage of him using electric shock.

I remember my parents showing me an article about him when I was a child and

they were discussing the shock treatment. I would not put a cent in the pocket

of this animal. It is a great pity that some of his victims are not able to

prosecute Lovaas or his cohorts for child abuse.

Personally, I do not believe that he has changed his nature that much or he

would be very apologetic about his mistakes and brutality. However these days

there is more money to be made out of appearing caring.

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--- gprobertson@... wrote:

>

> I know psych students who were shown film footage of

> him using electric shock. I remember my parents

> showing me an article about him when I was a child

> and they were discussing the shock treatment. I

> would not put a cent in the pocket of this animal.

> It is a great pity that some of his victims are not

> able to prosecute Lovaas or his cohorts for child

> abuse.

> Personally, I do not believe that he has changed his

> nature that much or he would be very apologetic

> about his mistakes and brutality. However these

> days there is more money to be made out of appearing

> caring.

>

To each his/her own... It's frequently unfair to judge

the actions of the past through the lens of the

present. Lovaas put ABA on the map for the treatment

of children with autism, and for that I, for one, am

grateful.

Max

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[Guest guest]

Yes, he did use shock treatments. My son's autism consultant at school got

into a discussion with me on this. She saw film footage and read of many

disturbing treatments he used. Although I support some of the Lovaas

methods, I wouldn't say I support all of them.

Just my 2 cents...

a - Peoria IL

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Although shock treatments were long abandoned by ABA practicioners, we still

have an agency in our community that uses restraining chairs and the

time-out box. It's important to be fully aware of " treatment modalities "

prior to signing onto a particular program. Quite frankly, we would have

lost our son altogether if he had been forced into such a device.

God Bless!

RE: [ ] Re: ABA

Yes, he did use shock treatments. My son's autism consultant at school got

into a discussion with me on this. She saw film footage and read of many

disturbing treatments he used. Although I support some of the Lovaas

methods, I wouldn't say I support all of them.

Just my 2 cents...

a - Peoria IL

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[Guest guest]

Anyone wanting to read about lovvas and a " cattle prod " type thing, needs to

read A child Called Noah, btw, he was featured in the TIME artical, his

brother wrote about him in a box off ot the side.

RE: [ ] Re: ABA

> " >

> ...I don't believe Lovaas ever used electric shock. He did use other

> >forms of milder punishers. The fact is we all have had our behavior

> >shaped and refined in our development by a history of reinforcement

> >and punishment of various levels of aversiveness. Completely

> >sheltering disabled children from natural consequences (both

> >reinforcers and punishers) in natural, typical environments has only

> >functioned to further isolate them from normal socialization.

> >

> >Actually, Lovaas has been out and about in the last 5 years or so

> >speaking at conferences all over. Anyone who has seen him would know

> >he is quite obviously a caring and compassionate clinician who is

> >warm, down to earth, and funny. Parts of his approach have changed,

> >but many behavioral principles do not and will not ever change.....

>

> I know psych students who were shown film footage of him using electric

shock. I remember my parents showing me an article about him when I was a

child and they were discussing the shock treatment. I would not put a cent

in the pocket of this animal. It is a great pity that some of his victims

are not able to prosecute Lovaas or his cohorts for child abuse.

> Personally, I do not believe that he has changed his nature that much or

he would be very apologetic about his mistakes and brutality. However these

days there is more money to be made out of appearing caring.

>

>

>

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Wow,

What I missed by being away from my computer for a few days.

Andy, I'm really quite shocked by your statements concerning ABA. It's

quite clear that you have been influenced by the infamous negative

" reports " , but have a real lack of working knowledge of ABA. As someone who

has been a provider of ABA to hundreds of children in various settings over

many years, I can easily distinguish by the statements people make whether

they have actually watched an qualified ABA session with a child. You have

clearly based your opinions on " reports " and not from actual experience with

ABA.

My position, which you misrepresented, is that all children with ASD

disorders can benefit from the use of qualified ABA. The discussion that

you referenced was about the use of punishment and specifically electric

shock (which is not actually used in any ABA programs that I know of). That

procedure was discussed in light of children who were self-abusive to the

point of risking permanent physical damage or death.

ABA involves breaking down skills into smaller, more easily learned

component skills and teaching them to the child in a structured, systematic

way while motivating them to focus and learn by using highly desired

rewards. How is this cruel??

ABA does involve in removing some decision making from the child. I don't

know too many competent parents who allow young children to make important

decisions. Is it okay to let a child go to bed whenever they want to? Is

it okay to let your child decide not to ever brush their teeth or take a

bath? Is it okay to let your child play in the street? There are some

decisions that it is incumbent upon adults to make for young children in

their best interest. One thing we learned from the 1960's and 1970's is

that when you let young autistic children make their own choices, they

choose to be autistic and what you get is autistic adults in group homes

that cannot toilet themselves. By the way this is from 13 years of working

in group homes, not from " reports. "

You clearly are in the camp of those who do not believe a child could

recover from the use of ABA only. Not only are there many documented cases

of this, I have worked with several children who have " recovered. " When I

refer to recovery here, I am referring to children who have no longer

qualify for a diagnosis of Autism or PDD and are in regular education moving

from grade to grade without a modified curriculum. Sure they're quirky,

pretty much like most people I know.

I generally steer clear of making chemistry related statements, a field that

I have no formal training nor any practical experience. I think it would be

wise for you to do the same regarding ABA.

Jay Goldwein

[Guest guest]

> My position, which you misrepresented, is that all children with ASD

> disorders can benefit from the use of qualified ABA.

My apologies for misrepresenting what you said.

>The discussion that

> you referenced was about the use of punishment and specifically

electric

> shock (which is not actually used in any ABA programs that I know

of). That

> procedure was discussed in light of children who were self-abusive

to the

> point of risking permanent physical damage or death.

OK. Then to amend my earlier discussion, I do actually believe this

is morally justifiable and appropriate. My apologies for confusing it

with what you said about ABA.

> ABA involves breaking down skills into smaller, more easily learned

> component skills and teaching them to the child in a structured,

systematic

> way while motivating them to focus and learn by using highly desired

> rewards. How is this cruel??

This isn't This is very reasonable. This isn't how it is actually

done with every child. Actually this approach of breaking down the

skills is the same way I have had Montessori explained to me by

several Montessori teachers, too. The Montessori teachers don't need

to have the rewards immediately at hand to motivate their more normal

children.

>

> ABA does involve in removing some decision making from the child. I

don't

> know too many competent parents who allow young children to make

important

> decisions.

This is pretty much the definition of childhood and parenthood. You

won't find me disagreeing on the principle, only in some cases on the

details.

> You clearly are in the camp of those who do not believe a

> child could recover from the use of ABA only.

I am in no particular camp on this issue - I do generally reserve

judgment rather than jump to conclusions.

A

[Guest guest]

I use BIFAC (Behavioral Intervention for Autistic Children) out of Lexington

and they also have an office here in Louisville where I live. They do ABA

and are trained by Dr. Carbone.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Alisha:

I live in the Nashville area - for the ABA people I use, Bowling Green is

outside of their radius of travel. But, maybe someone at Vanderbilt's TRIAD

(Treatment and Research Institute for Autism Spectrum Disorders) center can help

you. Their number is 936-0267.

-

ABA

Anyone, I'm interested in someone trained in behavior modification in the

Bowling Green area of KY or anywhere in KY in anyone can help. THanks ALisha

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wrote:

> Where do you find info on ABA? Thanks Jennie

My site section, scroll down to the ABA portion

http://www.danasview.net/parent2.htm#therapies

Dana

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Dear Jeanne,

Thanks for replying to my querry. My son, Cole (24months, verbal and oral

apraxia) is just starting speech therapy and I'm now on a mission to educate

myself on the various therapy methods that should and shouldn't be offered.

Best Regards,

Anita

[Guest guest]

I've heard of another group called the sunshine camp that states the same thing.

after intense therapy the child had no signs of autism. Is it because the child

was misdiagnosed to start? or, can this be true with the right training?

Mojica <smojica@...> wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223

<http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223 & page=1> & page=1

what do you think of this article? The book recommended (The Autism

Sourcebook: From a Mother Whose Child Recovered) and ABA treatment?

[Guest guest]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223

<http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223 & page=1> & page=1

what do you think of this article? The book recommended (The Autism

Sourcebook: From a Mother Whose Child Recovered) and ABA treatment?

Yet, within two years of his diagnosis, Jake had " recovered " from autism

" " " " ABA is expensive and grueling, but is considered the " gold standard " of

autism treatment by experts. Its success is based on a variety of factors,

including the age of the child and access to a qualified therapist. Almost

immediately after his diagnosis, Jake started 40 hours of one-on-one ABA

therapy a week. " " " "

I loved the last paragraph from this and had to quote it. I'm sure now that

it is curable that the insurance companies will jump on that bandwagon and

let us all give it a try ( scarcasm). That will be right after we give up

the rest of our children since it takes a 40 hours a week , no job, etc.

These parent must be rich or had the " ideal " child and got the treatments

for free so they could advertise.

Lets all go for ABA.....

Last but not least a quote from the Dr. " " " It was very exciting, " said Dr.

Cecelia McCarton, an ABA expert. " It takes your breath away because as often

as you want this to happen, it

often doesn't happen. "

Line up the millionaires their kids are cured...

-- ( ) ABA

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223

<http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223 & page=1> & page=1

what do you think of this article? The book recommended (The Autism

Sourcebook: From a Mother Whose Child Recovered) and ABA treatment?

[Guest guest]

Good question? Who are these people who can afford

ABA? I am pretty much broke just paying for speech/OT

(as my insurance is so far refusing to reimburse). My

wife had to quit her job because our son requires so

much one-on-one attention.

Does the B in ABA stand for Bank? Do I need to rob

one?

--- <embroidery4@...> wrote:

>

> http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223

> <http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223 & page=1>

> & page=1

>

> what do you think of this article? The book

> recommended (The Autism

> Sourcebook: From a Mother Whose Child Recovered)

> and ABA treatment?

>

>

> Yet, within two years of his diagnosis, Jake had

> " recovered " from autism

>

>

> " " " " ABA is expensive and grueling, but is considered

> the " gold standard " of

> autism treatment by experts. Its success is based on

> a variety of factors,

> including the age of the child and access to a

> qualified therapist. Almost

> immediately after his diagnosis, Jake started 40

> hours of one-on-one ABA

> therapy a week. " " " "

>

> I loved the last paragraph from this and had to

> quote it. I'm sure now that

> it is curable that the insurance companies will jump

> on that bandwagon and

> let us all give it a try ( scarcasm). That will be

> right after we give up

> the rest of our children since it takes a 40 hours a

> week , no job, etc.

> These parent must be rich or had the " ideal " child

> and got the treatments

> for free so they could advertise.

>

> Lets all go for ABA.....

>

>

> Last but not least a quote from the Dr. " " " It was

> very exciting, " said Dr.

> Cecelia McCarton, an ABA expert. " It takes your

> breath away because as often

> as you want this to happen, it

> often doesn't happen. "

>

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[Guest guest]

Rose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote:

I've heard of another group called the sunshine camp that states the same thing.

after intense therapy the child had no signs of autism. Is it because the child

was misdiagnosed to start? or, can this be true with the right training?

I don't really think you can be " cured " . I do feel that many of the problems

associated with autism can be remediated to whatever degree possible. Likely,

those kids who are " cured " are lucky to have the right treatment at the right

time and the right degree of ASD that it responds well to the treatment.

We did ABA with my younger ds. It did not cure him at all. It improved his

abilities by a huge amount. For instance, when he started, his language

skills could not be tested because he had so few. When we finished 3 years

later, he was one year ahead of his age on the speech evaluation. He still has

major issues to deal with and I feel like he always will. But this was the

right way to teach him at the time and he had some good skills in place to be

able to benefit from it.

Roxanna

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<embroidery4@...> wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223

<http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1169223 & page=1> & page=1

what do you think of this article? The book recommended (The Autism

Sourcebook: From a Mother Whose Child Recovered) and ABA treatment?

Yet, within two years of his diagnosis, Jake had " recovered " from autism

" " " " ABA is expensive and grueling, but is considered the " gold standard " of

autism treatment by experts. Its success is based on a variety of factors,

including the age of the child and access to a qualified therapist. Almost

immediately after his diagnosis, Jake started 40 hours of one-on-one ABA

therapy a week. " " " "

I loved the last paragraph from this and had to quote it. I'm sure now that

it is curable that the insurance companies will jump on that bandwagon and

let us all give it a try ( scarcasm). That will be right after we give up

the rest of our children since it takes a 40 hours a week , no job, etc.

These parent must be rich or had the " ideal " child and got the treatments

for free so they could advertise.

Lets all go for ABA.....

Last but not least a quote from the Dr. " " " It was very exciting, " said Dr.

Cecelia McCarton, an ABA expert. " It takes your breath away because as often

as you want this to happen, it

often doesn't happen. "

Line up the millionaires their kids are cured...

, lol. It is frustrating that ABA is so expensive. When we did it, I did

it myself at home. We tried finding a few people to work but nobody wanted to

do it. So it was just me. I had my younger ds as well and often worked around

his naps or included him in " playing games " we were playing. The biggest cost

to us was with the school as we hired a lawyer to fight and get this program

put in place at school. That cost a lot but it finally happened. So the bigger

share of the program was for the school and I could then work on generalizing at

home.

While it is expensive, I would encourage people to learn more about ABA. You

can incorporate many of the ideas into your child's life for the better. For

instance, when we were working on a specific " WH " question, I would work on it

during story time and night time story. When we read the book, I would stop

every so often and ask the specific WH we were working on. It just became

incorporated into our lives like that. This didn't cost anything and I spent

more time reading books than probably the typical parent does.

Having the school formulate specific goals and take data on those goals on a

regular basis is not expensive either and it benefits kids who need intensive

instruction. Generalizing skills is also an important component to incorporate

into his learning/school plan. So while we couldn't afford a typical ABA

program, we made do and it went well for us.

Roxanna

Always Remember You're Unique

Just Like Everyone Else

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