Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive from a wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Question about the diet portion of Hi all, My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. He has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, and I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking at the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean no rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, bread, JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it is so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its natural form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the premise is. Thanks so much, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I was the same way regarding diet until being introduced to the protocol. My most severely affected son was GFCF, lots of whole grains, etc. What I didn't realize is that his body had a hard time breaking down whole grains and would " set off " his immune system. We started the recommended diet about four months before seeing Dr. Goldberg and saw improvement in a few weeks. When we did food allergy testing, I was shocked to discover tht some of the alternative grains I was giving him seemed to set him off worse than gluten. When my other sons started the diet, we saw a lot of gastro improvements and my older son's eczema, which he'd had for years, went away. HTH, Robyn From: shannoniudi <shannoniudi@...> Subject: Question about the diet portion of Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:20 AM Hi all, My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. He has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, and I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking at the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean no rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, bread, JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it is so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its natural form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the premise is. Thanks so much, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I just met with Dr. G yesterday but have been reading for a long time. So, forgive me, I am a newbie with him and but have been following to the best that I can before seeing him. I¹ve been to many doctors for my son and Dr. G is the first one that actually wants to help and not just do diagnostics what a treasure! After our discussion, the more processed the Œbad¹ foods are the easier it will be for them to digest it and the less likely there will be an allergic reaction. I don¹t think he is a proponent of processed foods but, for a sandwich, regular white bread that is more processed will be less likely to cause an activation of the GI tract and activate an immune reaction. Just my .02 on this one as I had a really hard time with this too. But, I did give an example to him about something that caused an issue with my son (making him extra protein drinks to get more of that into him) and after our discussion, it made sense to me that the drink that caused him issues because it was not hydrolyzed was the reason. He does okay with Elacare which is hydrolyzed (more broken down) and after our discussion it made more sense as to why it was easier on his system not necessarily better for him nutritionally. While, I do give my son the most wholesome food that I can I now understand why certain things that might likely cause a reaction would be better if it is more Œprocessed¹. HTH, Laureen On 8/26/09 11:59 AM, " ssaturnino@... " <ssaturnino@...> wrote: > > > > > I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive from a > wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > Question about the diet portion of > > Hi all, > My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. He > has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, and > I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking at > the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean no > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is > meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. > What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, bread, > JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it is > so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have > been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its natural > form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the premise > is. > Thanks so much, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Ideally, “the diet” the way I understand it means our kids would eat a portion of protein and fresh vegetables for most of their meals. Carbs of any kind are to be limited. Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Laureen Forman Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Question about the diet portion of I just met with Dr. G yesterday but have been reading for a long time. So, forgive me, I am a newbie with him and but have been following to the best that I can before seeing him. I¹ve been to many doctors for my son and Dr. G is the first one that actually wants to help and not just do diagnostics what a treasure! After our discussion, the more processed the Œbad¹ foods are the easier it will be for them to digest it and the less likely there will be an allergic reaction. I don¹t think he is a proponent of processed foods but, for a sandwich, regular white bread that is more processed will be less likely to cause an activation of the GI tract and activate an immune reaction. Just my .02 on this one as I had a really hard time with this too. But, I did give an example to him about something that caused an issue with my son (making him extra protein drinks to get more of that into him) and after our discussion, it made sense to me that the drink that caused him issues because it was not hydrolyzed was the reason. He does okay with Elacare which is hydrolyzed (more broken down) and after our discussion it made more sense as to why it was easier on his system not necessarily better for him nutritionally. While, I do give my son the most wholesome food that I can I now understand why certain things that might likely cause a reaction would be better if it is more Œprocessed¹. HTH, Laureen On 8/26/09 11:59 AM, " ssaturnino@... <mailto:ssaturnino%40> " <ssaturnino@... <mailto:ssaturnino%40> > wrote: > > > > > I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive from a > wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > Question about the diet portion of > > Hi all, > My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. He > has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, and > I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking at > the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean no > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is > meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. > What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, bread, > JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it is > so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have > been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its natural > form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the premise > is. > Thanks so much, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 While I know not using whole grains is counter to most current thinking on nutrition, it really does make sense when put in context. My oldest son suffered for years with severe eczema. Before he even began seeing Dr. G, we put him on the diet. His eczema improved dramatically over the course of two weeks. The diet did more for him than an RX. I began feeding my kids whole grain breads from the time they could eat them, and it was one of the worst things for them. My husband who has diverticulitis and other gastro issues improved immensely by following the diet as well. All of my boys' behaviors and general overall health are closely linked to EOS levels. Inflammation in the digestive tract can be caused by a lot of these foods, and if that's happening, your child's ability to properly absorb nutrients is compromised. In addition, there are other ways to get high quality fiber into your child, namely limited fruits and lots of veggies. We're working on this. HTH, Robyn ________________________________ From: Laureen Forman <lforman@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:29:20 AM Subject: Re: Question about the diet portion of I just met with Dr. G yesterday but have been reading for a long time. So, forgive me, I am a newbie with him and but have been following to the best that I can before seeing him. I¹ve been to many doctors for my son  and Dr. G is the first one that actually wants to help and not just do diagnostics  what a treasure! After our discussion, the more processed the Œbad¹ foods are the easier it will be for them to digest it and the less likely there will be an allergic reaction. I don¹t think he is a proponent of processed foods but, for a sandwich, regular white bread that is more processed will be less likely to cause an activation of the GI tract and activate an immune reaction. Just my .02 on this one as I had a really hard time with this too. But, I did give an example to him about something that caused an issue with my son (making him extra protein drinks to get more of that into him) and after our discussion, it made sense to me that the drink that caused him issues because it was not hydrolyzed was the reason. He does okay with Elacare which is hydrolyzed (more broken down) and after our discussion  it made more sense as to why it was easier on his system  not necessarily better for him nutritionally. While, I do give my son the most wholesome food that I can  I now understand why certain things that might likely cause a reaction would be better if it is more Œprocessed¹. HTH, Laureen On 8/26/09 11:59 AM, " ssaturnino (DOT) com " <ssaturnino (DOT) com> wrote: > > > > > I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive from a > wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > Question about the diet portion of > > Hi all, > My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. He > has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, and > I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking at > the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean no > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is > meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. > What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, bread, > JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it is > so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have > been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its natural > form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the premise > is. > Thanks so much, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Well said Robyn! On Sep 19, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Robyn & Greg Coggins wrote: > While I know not using whole grains is counter to most current > thinking on nutrition, it really does make sense when put in > context. My oldest son suffered for years with severe eczema. Before > he even began seeing Dr. G, we put him on the diet. His eczema > improved dramatically over the course of two weeks. The diet did > more for him than an RX. I began feeding my kids whole grain breads > from the time they could eat them, and it was one of the worst > things for them. My husband who has diverticulitis and other gastro > issues improved immensely by following the diet as well. All of my > boys' behaviors and general overall health are closely linked to EOS > levels. Inflammation in the digestive tract can be caused by a lot > of these foods, and if that's happening, your child's ability to > properly absorb nutrients is compromised. In addition, there are > other ways to get high quality fiber into your child, namely limited > fruits and lots of veggies. We're working > on this. > > HTH, > > Robyn > > ________________________________ > From: Laureen Forman <lforman@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:29:20 AM > Subject: Re: Question about the diet portion of > > I just met with Dr. G yesterday but have been reading for a long > time. So, > forgive me, I am a newbie with him and but have been following > to the > best that I can before seeing him. I¹ve been to many doctors for my > son > and Dr. G is the first one that actually wants to help and not just do > diagnostics what a treasure! > > After our discussion, the more processed the Œbad¹ foods are the > easier it > will be for them to digest it and the less likely there will be an > allergic > reaction. I don¹t think he is a proponent of processed foods but, > for a > sandwich, regular white bread that is more processed will be less > likely to > cause an activation of the GI tract and activate an immune reaction. > > Just my .02 on this one as I had a really hard time with this too. > But, I > did give an example to him about something that caused an issue with > my son > (making him extra protein drinks to get more of that into him) and > after our > discussion, it made sense to me that the drink that caused him issues > because it was not hydrolyzed was the reason. He does okay with > Elacare > which is hydrolyzed (more broken down) and after our discussion it > made > more sense as to why it was easier on his system not necessarily > better > for him nutritionally. While, I do give my son the most wholesome > food that > I can I now understand why certain things that might likely cause a > reaction would be better if it is more Œprocessed¹. > > HTH, > Laureen > > On 8/26/09 11:59 AM, " ssaturnino (DOT) com " <ssaturnino (DOT) com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive > from a > > wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > Question about the diet portion of > > > > Hi all, > > My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about > 5 years. He > > has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out > on that, and > > I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was > looking at > > the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does > that mean no > > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure > what is > > meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. > > What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at > breakfast, bread, > > JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that > because it is > > so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? > I have > > been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to > its natural > > form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what > the premise > > is. > > Thanks so much, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Are there any fruits on the diet? > > > > > > > > > > > I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive from a > > wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > Question about the diet portion of > > > > Hi all, > > My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. > He > > has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, > and > > I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking > at > > the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean > no > > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is > > meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. > > What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, > bread, > > JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it > is > > so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have > > been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its > natural > > form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the > premise > > is. > > Thanks so much, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Fruits are OK, except berries and exotic fruits (mangos, kiwis, etc.). Some kids don’t do well with citrus. Fruits have a lot of sugar, so we limit them to 1-2 per day. Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of georgiasand32 Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: Re: Question about the diet portion of Are there any fruits on the diet? > > > > > > > > > > > I have the same questions as you, . It's counter intuitive from a > > wholesome food perspective! Does anyone know the answer to this? > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > Question about the diet portion of > > > > Hi all, > > My 8 year old son has been GFCF and on the DAN protocol for about 5 years. > He > > has made a lot of progress, but I feel we have kind of maxed out on that, > and > > I know there are still things I can do for his body. Anyway, I was looking > at > > the diet, and was wondering, when it says " no wholegrains " , does that mean > no > > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, etc? Rice milk is ok, but I wasn't sure what is > > meant by whole grains. Also, is ghee allowed, its allowed GFCF. > > What is the premise behind giving processed foods (cereal at breakfast, > bread, > > JIF instead of organic peanut butter w/o additives), is it that because it > is > > so processed that they will less likely react to what is in there? I have > > been working the other way, trying to get as MUCH in as closest to its > natural > > form so that my son gets the most nutrition, so I am curious what the > premise > > is. > > Thanks so much, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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