Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(

[Guest guest]

Hi Kitty

Your situation sounds similar to mine. I too take cytomel, hc, fludro,

progesterone, DHEA and estrogen. My mid cycle bleeding was due to low estrogen.

What you might not know about cytomel/ t3 is that supplementation of t3

increases how much SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) your body makes. SHGB

attaches itself to estrogen and flushes it out of the body making it of no use

to you. If you can (we cant in NZ) get your SHGB tested and/ or your free

estrogen. I have had to double how much estrogen I take just to feel slightly

normal. I wouldnt reccomend doing that though, unless you have had the tests.

Alternatively, if you are on the Wiley Protocol,m you might be taking too much

progesterone which can also cause you to start bleeding early. this happened to

me as well! So annoying! How much do you take?

Of course I am not a doctor, so I might have got some of this info wrong, but I

think the general gist of it is okay.

Anyways, all the best

Jo

>

>

>

> Hi guys. I need some help...

> For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

> starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

> I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

> thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

> 106.25mcg.

>

> I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4

> tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle

has

> really been turned on its ear

> I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

and

> everything was terribly low

> I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> kitty

>

[Guest guest]

I had been using more estrogen but once I get to a certain amount I feel like I am covered in fiberglass :(I don't have a doctor right now since I don't have insurance it ended up being cheaper/easier to self-treat.I have been on the T3 for a while now so I can't imagine my SHGB is to crazy, also I respond to small changes in the T cream so I am guessing that means it is pretty reasonable. Most others that had high SHGB said they needed a lot of the T cream....I am using 40-50mg of progesterone right now to see if I can keep the bleeding down. I just started it back up yesterday <day 15> and started spotting last night I feel very bloated, sore breasts, tired... No wiley protocol for me :PSo what did you do to fix your bleeding?kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 9:29:18 PMSubject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding

Hi Kitty

Your situation sounds similar to mine. I too take cytomel, hc, fludro, progesterone, DHEA and estrogen. My mid cycle bleeding was due to low estrogen. What you might not know about cytomel/ t3 is that supplementation of t3 increases how much SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) your body makes. SHGB attaches itself to estrogen and flushes it out of the body making it of no use to you. If you can (we cant in NZ) get your SHGB tested and/ or your free estrogen. I have had to double how much estrogen I take just to feel slightly normal. I wouldnt reccomend doing that though, unless you have had the tests.

Alternatively, if you are on the Wiley Protocol,m you might be taking too much progesterone which can also cause you to start bleeding early. this happened to me as well! So annoying! How much do you take?

Of course I am not a doctor, so I might have got some of this info wrong, but I think the general gist of it is okay.

Anyways, all the best

Jo

>

>

>

> Hi guys. I need some help...

> For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

> starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

> I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

> thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

> 106.25mcg.

>

> I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4

> tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has

> really been turned on its ear

> I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and

> everything was terribly low

> I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> kitty

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kitty,

I have GOT to be missing something (I'm kind a long story around here,

perimenopausal, TT June '09 but found my way here thru some of the

folks here finding me after I did some research and posted it online).

But yes, I'm missing something.

Why are you on the oestrogel, progesterone and T cream? Am I missing

an effect of either the Hashi's or the possible 's?

Yeah, I'm snoopy--it's how I got here but it's somewhere I'd have

wound up anyhow,

Deb

>

>

>

> Hi guys. I need some help...

> For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

> I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

106.25mcg.

> I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4

tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has

really been turned on its ear

> I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

and everything was terribly low

> I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> kitty

>

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[Guest guest]

That was my whole explanation I have a wicked headache and was being lazy about typing...I think my hormones have always been low looking back, painful sex, always dry, always tired, LONG heavy periods etc... Once I had my thyroid out my already weak adrenals crapped out on me. After a few years of feeling like absolute hell I finally found out about adrenal glands and got some help to fix them.Unfortunately my already low hormones all went even lower so it was recommended I treat them since I had so much muscle weakness, fatigue/pain, bone loss etc. It was explained to me by a naturopath that the adrenals are partially responsible for making hormones and they are mostly responsible for producing essential cholesterol and fats that are the precursors to hormones. So by taking HC and

florinef I suppressed my adrenals <'s is usually autoimmune in nature like Hashimoto's so to lessen damage you need to suppress them> and shut down pretty much everything. I don't mind treating everything I just hate trying to figure out amounts, symptoms etc....I hope that makes some sense! If not let me know and I can try again :PYour not snoopy, questions are the only way to get answers!kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent:

Wed, February 2, 2011 10:11:11 PMSubject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding

Hi Kitty,

I have GOT to be missing something (I'm kind a long story around here,

perimenopausal, TT June '09 but found my way here thru some of the

folks here finding me after I did some research and posted it online).

But yes, I'm missing something.

Why are you on the oestrogel, progesterone and T cream? Am I missing

an effect of either the Hashi's or the possible 's?

Yeah, I'm snoopy--it's how I got here but it's somewhere I'd have

wound up anyhow,

Deb

>

>

>

> Hi guys. I need some help...

> For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

> I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg.

> I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear

> I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low

> I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> kitty

>

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[Guest guest]

I would guess it's low

estradiol. When I was cycling, too

much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I

don't even see why you use progesterone.

You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and

progesterone on Day 21. There are

times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...

For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

106.25mcg.

I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and

1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my

cycle has really been turned on its ear

I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

and everything was terribly low

I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low

estradiol. When I was cycling, too

much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I

don't even see why you use progesterone.

You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and

progesterone on Day 21. There are

times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low. Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...

For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

106.25mcg.

I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and

1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my

cycle has really been turned on its ear

I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

and everything was terribly low

I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

Our bodies don't produce any progesterone until ovulation *that's mid cycle*..what you want to find out is whether you're ovulating and if so, wether you produce sufficient progesterone levels naturally *that's P test after ovulation, usually day 21 of the cycle*...and if not, you only need to supplement with P after you've ovulated.

thx,

-

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

I would guess low estrogen too! I had terribly sore breasts right from day 14

through to day 28, foggy head, miagraines (and abdominal ones with voimitting,

fun fun), costipation/ bad bad bloating, tiredness, felt like I was 100 years

old (Im only 32), achy bones, mid cycle bleeding, 24 day cycless, and

fibromyalgia symptoms when my estrogen was low.

Another hting that might be helpful is to get your DHEA tested. if everything

else is low, that's bound to be low too. In women, up to 40% of our estrogen is

made/ metabolised from adrenal steroids like DHEA. I have servere adrenal

fatigue/ hypothyroidism from years of poor health and high prednisone use. Im

surprised no one has mentioned this to you. Unfortunately oral supplementation

of DHEA does not seem to metabolise into estrogen in women it seems to mainly

turn into a bit of testosterone, so you might tolerate this way of getting

testosterone, rather than using the cream. I couldnt tolerate the cream, but I

can tolerate the testosterone I get from taking 20mg of DHEA

Um, 106.5 mcg is a lot of cytomel to be on without it effecting ytour SHBG. I

still maintain that it could be effecting the little estrogen you do make. Made

a huuuuuugh difference to me and I was well under that amount.

I also et the awful itching/ pricking from estrogen supplementation and Im

trying to work out what I can do to overcome this. I'll let you know if I

deiscover anything.

JO

>

> I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone

> caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't

> even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol

> should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times

> during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

>

> Val

>

>

> From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

>

>

> Hi guys. I need some help...

> For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

> starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

> I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

> thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

> 106.25mcg.

> I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1

> 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my

> cycle has really been turned on its ear

> I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

> and everything was terribly low

> I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

[Guest guest]

Did taking estrogen stop the symptoms? Did you figure out what was causing short cycles for you?DHEA causes really bad acne and mood issues for me.I don't have a thyroid so that is how much cytomel it takes for me to be not hypo. It could be causes problems but I don't have money to do any testing at this point since I don't have insurance :(kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 1:04:37 AMSubject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess low estrogen too! I had terribly sore breasts right from day 14 through to day 28, foggy head, miagraines (and abdominal ones with voimitting, fun fun), costipation/ bad bad bloating, tiredness, felt like I was 100 years old (Im only 32), achy bones, mid cycle bleeding, 24 day cycless, and fibromyalgia symptoms when my estrogen was low.

Another hting that might be helpful is to get your DHEA tested. if everything else is low, that's bound to be low too. In women, up to 40% of our estrogen is made/ metabolised from adrenal steroids like DHEA. I have servere adrenal fatigue/ hypothyroidism from years of poor health and high prednisone use. Im surprised no one has mentioned this to you. Unfortunately oral supplementation of DHEA does not seem to metabolise into estrogen in women it seems to mainly turn into a bit of testosterone, so you might tolerate this way of getting testosterone, rather than using the cream. I couldnt tolerate the cream, but I can tolerate the testosterone I get from taking 20mg of DHEA

Um, 106.5 mcg is a lot of cytomel to be on without it effecting ytour SHBG. I still maintain that it could be effecting the little estrogen you do make. Made a huuuuuugh difference to me and I was well under that amount.

I also et the awful itching/ pricking from estrogen supplementation and Im trying to work out what I can do to overcome this. I'll let you know if I deiscover anything.

JO

>

> I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone

> caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't

> even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol

> should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times

> during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

>

> Val

>

>

> From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

>

>

> Hi guys. I need some help...

> For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

> starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

> I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

> thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

> 106.25mcg.

> I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1

> 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my

> cycle has really been turned on its ear

> I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

> and everything was terribly low

> I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

[Guest guest]

Well my question was really why do I start bleeding around day 15, when I should be ovulating... I have read this is due to low progesterone. kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:53:15 PMSubject: Re: need help... mid

cylce bleeding

Our bodies don't produce any progesterone until ovulation *that's mid cycle*..what you want to find out is whether you're ovulating and if so, wether you produce sufficient progesterone levels naturally *that's P test after ovulation, usually day 21 of the cycle*...and if not, you only need to supplement with P after you've ovulated.

thx,

-

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

well if you're taking progesterone before day 15, it probably suppresses ovulation, and decreases estrogen...so low estrogen, break thru bleeding....but that's just a guess...

-

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

I have been starting it at day 15, not before.kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 12:36:24 PMSubject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding

well if you're taking progesterone before day 15, it probably suppresses ovulation, and decreases estrogen...so low estrogen, break thru bleeding....but that's just a guess...

-

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

But you might not ovulate until later in your cycle...so do you bleed on the first day of starting P?

-J.

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

no for a while I would start bleeding around day 24. I'm not sure what changed that is causing me to start so early I haven't changed any of my meds in a while now.kittyTo: rhythmicliving Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 12:50:38 PMSubject: Re:

need help... mid cylce bleeding

But you might not ovulate until later in your cycle...so do you bleed on the first day of starting P?

-J.

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

I have had this happen to me too this month! Don't know what is causing it either!Terri

Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

Your progesterone is supposed to

be very low at certain times of the month. 

Your flooding too often is a result of excess progesterone; you don't

have enough estrogen to hold a lining in relation to the amount of progesterone

you're getting.  If you're using a P

cream, it is likely building up in your fat. 

Progesterone's purpose is to protect the uterus - either through causing

a periodic shed or through preventing any build-up in the first place.  You have it backwards about when you have to

take progesterone.  If you're cycling

normally, again, I don't know why you're using it. 

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long

heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone

when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after

menopause?

kitty

I would guess it's low

estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed

way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you

use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on

Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when

the hormones are supposed to be very low.

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi

guys. I need some help...

For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting

starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.

I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total

thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel

106.25mcg.

I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and

1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my

cycle has really been turned on its ear

I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back

and everything was terribly low

I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..

Thanks in advance!_,_.___

[Guest guest]

Progesterone consistently led to excessive bleeding for me when I was still cycling. I would take in prescribed dose and bleed for weeks. As soon as I stopped the bleeding would stop. I need progesterone now that I am menopausal, but still only take for two weeks at a time and in very much smaller doses than what was originally prescribed.A little is good for me, a lot really bad... Everyone has their own individual needs.Karima

Your progesterone is supposed to

be very low at certain times of the month.

Your flooding too often is a result of excess progesterone; you don't

have enough estrogen to hold a lining in relation to the amount of progesterone

you're getting. If you're using a P

cream, it is likely building up in your fat.

Progesterone's purpose is to protect the uterus - either through causing

a periodic shed or through preventing any build-up in the first place. You have it backwards about when you have to

take progesterone. If you're cycling

normally, again, I don't know why you're using it. Val

[Guest guest]

I was prescribed, transdermal P pre hysterectomy at the age of 38, which gave me anxiety, depression, dizziness, longer periods and eventually endometrial cancer. (not proven, just my theory) The depression and anxiety were blown off as being in my head and I was given more P to use. Before I was put on the P, non of my hormones were tested. I had been having completely regular periods every 28 days, lasting 7 days, for my whole menstrual history, with heavy bleeding for a couple of those days. I never became anemic nor did I have major cramping or much PMS. I had been complaining of some hot flashes and some weird things but never about my period. Cancer was not on my mind. At the time I knew NOTHING of hormones and had no computer access to look up things. I should never had been put on it. It has ruined my life. I always suggest to use P cautiously and any abnormal bleeding, to get checked out. I’m not suggesting not using it as we are all different but be aware of what your body is doing and question, question, question. I went to 3 drs with the eventual continuous spotting I had from the P, telling them I thought I had cancer, no one listened until finally one dr did the biopsy that showed I indeed had a cancerous tumor. Even the ultrasound that showed the tumor was blown off as a fibroid.

Liz

Progesterone consistently led to excessive bleeding for me when I was still cycling. I would take in prescribed dose and bleed for weeks. As soon as I stopped the bleeding would stop. I need progesterone now that I am menopausal, but still only take for two weeks at a time and in very much smaller doses than what was originally prescribed.

A little is good for me, a lot really bad... Everyone has their own individual needs.

Karima

Your progesterone is supposed to be very low at certain times of the month. Your flooding too often is a result of excess progesterone; you don't have enough estrogen to hold a lining in relation to the amount of progesterone you're getting. If you're using a P cream, it is likely building up in your fat. Progesterone's purpose is to protect the uterus - either through causing a periodic shed or through preventing any build-up in the first place. You have it backwards about when you have to take progesterone. If you're cycling normally, again, I don't know why you're using it.

Val

[Guest guest]

There is significant research

that, in a large percentage of cases, P cream does not protect the uterus.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Liz Vernand

I was prescribed, transdermal P pre

hysterectomy at the age of 38, which gave me anxiety, depression, dizziness,

longer periods and eventually endometrial cancer. (not proven, just my theory)

The depression and anxiety were blown off as being in my head and I was given

more P to use. Before I was put on the P, non of my hormones were tested. I had

been having completely regular periods every 28 days, lasting 7 days, for my

whole menstrual history, with heavy bleeding for a couple of those days. I

never became anemic nor did I have major cramping or much PMS. I had been

complaining of some hot flashes and some weird things but never about my

period. Cancer was not on my mind. At the time I knew NOTHING of hormones and

had no computer access to look up things. I should never had been put on it. It

has ruined my life. I always suggest to use P cautiously and any abnormal

bleeding, to get checked out. I & #8217;m not suggesting not using it as we

are all different but be aware of what your body is doing and question,

question, question. I went to 3 drs with the eventual continuous spotting I had

from the P, telling them I thought I had cancer, no one listened until finally

one dr did the biopsy that showed I indeed had a cancerous tumor. Even the

ultrasound that showed the tumor was blown off as a fibroid.

Liz

[Guest guest]

The Oby/Gyn I saw for my first prescription of prometrium (yuck too strong) only recommended vaginal use if oral wasn't tolerated. Definitely didn't recommend applying anywhere else. He was pretty careful and up to date on research. Was extremely critical of women's health study.Karima

There is significant research

that, in a large percentage of cases, P cream does not protect the uterus. Val

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Val, and I’m going to go even further and say that in my case, it caused the cancer.

Liz

There is significant research that, in a large percentage of cases, P cream does not protect the uterus.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Liz Vernand

I was prescribed, transdermal P pre hysterectomy at the age of 38, which gave me anxiety, depression, dizziness, longer periods and eventually endometrial cancer. (not proven, just my theory) The depression and anxiety were blown off as being in my head and I was given more P to use. Before I was put on the P, non of my hormones were tested. I had been having completely regular periods every 28 days, lasting 7 days, for my whole menstrual history, with heavy bleeding for a couple of those days. I never became anemic nor did I have major cramping or much PMS. I had been complaining of some hot flashes and some weird things but never about my period. Cancer was not on my mind. At the time I knew NOTHING of hormones and had no computer access to look up things. I should never had been put on it. It has ruined my life. I always suggest to use P cautiously and any abnormal bleeding, to get checked out. I & #8217;m not suggesting not using it as we are all different but be aware of what your body is doing and question, question, question. I went to 3 drs with the eventual continuous spotting I had from the P, telling them I thought I had cancer, no one listened until finally one dr did the biopsy that showed I indeed had a cancerous tumor. Even the ultrasound that showed the tumor was blown off as a fibroid.

Liz

[Guest guest]

I used to always have a little spotting WHEN I ovulated. It happened from about age 16 until my cycles grew irregular close to menopause. It wasn't outright bleeding, but was spotting for a day or two.

Gael

well if you're taking progesterone before day 15, it probably suppresses ovulation, and decreases estrogen...so low estrogen, break thru bleeding....but that's just a guess...

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Subject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding :(To: rhythmicliving Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 8:27 PM

My progesterone was very low as well. I had read that long heavy cycles was from low progesterone. I though you had to take progesterone when you were cycling when you are taking estrogen and you don't have to after menopause?kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:21:57 PMSubject: RE: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I would guess it's low estradiol. When I was cycling, too much progesterone caused me to bleed way too often. If you're still cycling normally, I don't even see why you use progesterone. You should remember that estradiol should be tested on Day 14 and progesterone on Day 21. There are times during the month when the hormones are supposed to be very low.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Hi guys. I need some help...For the past three months or so my cycle has been really odd with spotting starting around day 15-16 or full on periods by day 21.I take oestrogel, OTC progesterone, and testosterone cream. I had a total thyroidectomy in 2007 due to uncontrolled hashimoto's so I take cytomel 106.25mcg. I also have really bad adrenals <likely 's> so I take 20mg HC and 1 3/4 tabs florinef. Since the steroids I feel really good otherwise but my cycle has really been turned on its ear :(I am hoping this is just low progesterone. I did saliva testing a while back and everything was terribly low :(I am 33 and not menopausal as far as I know..Thanks in advance!

[Guest guest]

I don't know why anyone cycling normally would use either estrogen OR progesterone!

Gael

Your progesterone is supposed to be very low at certain times of the month. Your flooding too often is a result of excess progesterone; you don't have enough estrogen to hold a lining in relation to the amount of progesterone you're getting. If you're using a P cream, it is likely building up in your fat. Progesterone's purpose is to protect the uterus - either through causing a periodic shed or through preventing any build-up in the first place. You have it backwards about when you have to take progesterone. If you're cycling normally, again, I don't know why you're using it.

Val

[Guest guest]

I just meant generally. I'm sorry to hear about your adrenal problems. But if you're cycling normally wouldn't that mean that your female hormones are working all right? This is just a question, I didn't mean criticism of the way you're doing anything. As everyone keeps saying, we're all different and all have to find what works for us.

Gael

Because all my hormones are suppressed due to adrenal disease.

kitty

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 9:49:49 PMSubject: Re: need help... mid cylce bleeding

I don't know why anyone cycling normally would use either estrogen OR progesterone!

Gael

Your progesterone is supposed to be very low at certain times of the month. Your flooding too often is a result of excess progesterone; you don't have enough estrogen to hold a lining in relation to the amount of progesterone you're getting. If you're using a P cream, it is likely building up in your fat. Progesterone's purpose is to protect the uterus - either through causing a periodic shed or through preventing any build-up in the first place. You have it backwards about when you have to take progesterone. If you're cycling normally, again, I don't know why you're using it.

Val

[Guest guest]

Nope.  Your estrogen is being overwhelmed by

progesterone.  Where did you read that

low P causes premature bleeding?

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of kitty Haindl

Well my question was really why do I start bleeding around

day 15, when I should be ovulating... I have read this is due to low

progesterone.

kitty