Re: WP...cortisol/adrenals/thyroid???? confused

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I am no expert on this subject but one in the same boat.

You mentioned thyroid in your title but don't mention if you are on medication?

My best advice would be to check out www.stopthethyroidmaddness.com and check

out " those durn adrenals " . I know they highly recommend getting a 4-part saliva

test for cortisol.

Hope this helps you get a good start.. There are also yahoo groups on the

subject- nth adrenals (Natural thyroid hormone) and Nth thyroid.

Everyone has an opinion- just remember these people are not doctors. Research

for yourself.

Lori

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> Hi

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> this may be off topic for this group but since hormones can play an important

role in all your glands and other hormones I thought I would post this and the

fact that I was on the WP I thought maybe I could get some answers here.

Thanks...

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> Can your body be making too much cortisol (mine seems to be in the afternoon

and evening, although I am constantly jittery and full of anxiety with morning

high blood pressure) and still have adrenal fatigue?

> I have symptoms of both.

> I took Holy Basil as my gyno directed me to, came off the progesterone and

estradiol altogether (probably not a good idea, but they levels on the saliva

test were extremely high, probably because I was on the Wiley Protocol and

taking obscene amounts of both) I should have waited for the saliva test to be

done, but who thought, doctor didn't even alert me to this. Now I feel that my

saliva test were not accurate and I spent 250.00 for nothing.

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> I am so confused now. can someone explain to me the difference of high

cortisol levels and if you can still have fatigue too? Being under extreme

stress for a very long time, I fear has burnt out my adrenals, but yet I am

having symptoms of high cortisol levels.

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> Thanks

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> Nanci

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[Guest guest]

I have the same problem. I just don't know. I hate to sound so pessimistic, but

there just seems to be no healing of this problem. I have used the Holy Basil

and Lemon Balm and that seems to help some, but just can't get a good nights

sleep. And I have the adrenal, thyroid, and hormonal issue going on just as you.

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> Hi

>

> this may be off topic for this group but since hormones can play an important

role in all your glands and other hormones I thought I would post this and the

fact that I was on the WP I thought maybe I could get some answers here.

Thanks...

>

>

>

> Can your body be making too much cortisol (mine seems to be in the afternoon

and evening, although I am constantly jittery and full of anxiety with morning

high blood pressure) and still have adrenal fatigue?

> I have symptoms of both.

> I took Holy Basil as my gyno directed me to, came off the progesterone and

estradiol altogether (probably not a good idea, but they levels on the saliva

test were extremely high, probably because I was on the Wiley Protocol and

taking obscene amounts of both) I should have waited for the saliva test to be

done, but who thought, doctor didn't even alert me to this. Now I feel that my

saliva test were not accurate and I spent 250.00 for nothing.

>

> I am so confused now. can someone explain to me the difference of high

cortisol levels and if you can still have fatigue too? Being under extreme

stress for a very long time, I fear has burnt out my adrenals, but yet I am

having symptoms of high cortisol levels.

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> Thanks

>

> Nanci

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[Guest guest]

Nanci, it's that your diurnal cortisol rhythm is erratic " because of " adrenal

fatigue. The WP (overdosing of e and p) can play havoc on adrenals.

These are the saliva's you posted previously:

> Cortisol Morning (saliva) 5.9 ng/ml range- 3.7-9.5

> Cortisol Noon (saliva) 2.2 ng/ml range- 1.2- 3.0

> Cortisol Evening (saliva) 5.7 ng.ml (HIGH) range- 0.6-1.9

> Cortisol Night (saliva) 1.2 (HIGH) range- 0.4-1.0 ng.ml

It wouldn't be wise to attempt to lower evening and night time cortisol, because

that would affect total daily cortisol. So, you might be making a proper amount

of cortisol thru-out the day, but the 'scheduling' is amiss.

In the book " Safe Uses of Cortisol " by McK Jefferies, he outlines how to

get back into " rhythm " ...basically taking a specific amount of cortisol at

specific times per day. Check out the adrenal articles at STTM:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info-faq

Sam

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> Hi

>

> this may be off topic for this group but since hormones can play an important

role in all your glands and other hormones I thought I would post this and the

fact that I was on the WP I thought maybe I could get some answers here.

Thanks...

>

>

>

> Can your body be making too much cortisol (mine seems to be in the afternoon

and evening, although I am constantly jittery and full of anxiety with morning

high blood pressure) and still have adrenal fatigue?

> I have symptoms of both.

> I took Holy Basil as my gyno directed me to, came off the progesterone and

estradiol altogether (probably not a good idea, but they levels on the saliva

test were extremely high, probably because I was on the Wiley Protocol and

taking obscene amounts of both) I should have waited for the saliva test to be

done, but who thought, doctor didn't even alert me to this. Now I feel that my

saliva test were not accurate and I spent 250.00 for nothing.

>

> I am so confused now. can someone explain to me the difference of high

cortisol levels and if you can still have fatigue too? Being under extreme

stress for a very long time, I fear has burnt out my adrenals, but yet I am

having symptoms of high cortisol levels.

>

> Thanks

>

> Nanci

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like post WP hell.

From my post WP experience and seeing many others', I don't think we can fully

trust serum testing or even saliva testing (filtrate of the blood). ) The WP

is a nuclear blast to the endocrine system and normal does NOT apply. Those

tests are for more normal levels. There is no science to explain what the body

does to such toxic levels. I talked to a molecular biologist who specialized in

enzyme reactions and he said with those levels it was anyone's guess what the

body would do to deal with it. Mostly he was just " jaw on the floor " stunned to

see I lived through it, that I hadn't died.

It seems urine testing may give the most information. I recommend reading

this article VERY closely and pay attention to the numbers.

http://rhythmicliving.org/?page_id=87 Bent Formby wrote it for us so we could

wrap our minds around the time it might take it detox. Notice what SMALL

amounts of P those women were using and then notice how long it took for the P

to get out of their bodies. Notice they tracked with urine testing. Take this

to your doctor and discuss the numbers. If it took those women so long to get

the P out then how long does it take a women who did the astronomical dosing of

the WP? It doesn't go through the liver in a few days. Bent Formby said

there is only so much the liver can process in a day. For many of us we would

use up the E very fast.

As well, testing numbers can be all over the place. (Wilddingo) tested

low for awhile and then a couple of months later (? check the archives) she had

HUGE numbers for her progesterone.

I'd be careful about getting advice from anyone who doesn't take into account

what an insane amount of hormones have been taken into your body and possibly

stored. People who are curious and cautious about their answers might be the

better option for advice. I've been amazed at the range of experiences women

have had going through detox. Cookie cutter solutions might simply be more

trouble.

Laurel

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> Hi

>

> this may be off topic for this group but since hormones can play an important

role in all your glands and other hormones I thought I would post this and the

fact that I was on the WP I thought maybe I could get some answers here.

Thanks...

>

>

>

> Can your body be making too much cortisol (mine seems to be in the afternoon

and evening, although I am constantly jittery and full of anxiety with morning

high blood pressure) and still have adrenal fatigue?

> I have symptoms of both.

> I took Holy Basil as my gyno directed me to, came off the progesterone and

estradiol altogether (probably not a good idea, but they levels on the saliva

test were extremely high, probably because I was on the Wiley Protocol and

taking obscene amounts of both) I should have waited for the saliva test to be

done, but who thought, doctor didn't even alert me to this. Now I feel that my

saliva test were not accurate and I spent 250.00 for nothing.

>

> I am so confused now. can someone explain to me the difference of high

cortisol levels and if you can still have fatigue too? Being under extreme

stress for a very long time, I fear has burnt out my adrenals, but yet I am

having symptoms of high cortisol levels.

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> Thanks

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> Nanci

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