Sam - RE: Re: ? Did you see this question?

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Sam,My last ferritin/iron test showed low ferritin and HIGH iron. I posted on the thyroid group about it but no one has a clue about how to deal with that. I haven't had it tested in a long time and I was cooking lots in a cast iron pan which I have backed off of doing. The horrible allergic reaction was sinus. Non stop sneezing and constant running nose to the point where I could not sleep for several nights or work. Massive amounts of homeopathics, herbs and then finally several types of antihistimines before it got under control. I had just come home from a cruise to the Bahamas and that night BAM ! It didn't stop completely for about a month. I have horrible sinus stuff these last 5 years. What I'm allergic to I don't exactly know since they come and go. I gave up gluten a year ago hoping that would improve things but it really hasn't although it did lower my TPO antibodies in half. Actually yesterday I had a bad bout of the sinus stuff after being ok for at least a month. It is ragweed season here in land so perhaps that's it. I agree with you about the RT3 in that it is the wisdom of the body. What do you think the underlying causes of that are? On the iodine group the liver has been brought up as the source of this problem because it is toxic and not able to convert. I would rather be on the NTH again and have thought about going back but I'm feeling so much better that I think I'll stick with it for now. I've never been a body temp believer because my temp, all my healthy life, was always lower than 98.6. I was a skinny healthy kid and adult with a lower temp. At age 52 all hell broke loose and things have never been the same. 11 grains WOW ! I know you don't have a thyroid but I've never heard of anyone taking that much. So good that it works for you and you know your sweet spot! Janet To: rhythmicliving From: k9gang@...Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:06:50 -0700Subject: Re: ? Did you see this question?

The vibrating thing is most likely adrenal.

Have you had ferritin/iron testing done?

Electrolytes?

What was the "horrible allergic reaction" that you had?

When you look at your saliva cortisol test, these are what perfect results

are like:

8am - top of the range

12noon - about 3/4 up in range

5-6pm - about 1/4 up in range

12 midnight - bottom of the range

If you do ferritin/iron, ferritin should be about 70+, iron saturation 34%

(I don't have the list for the other ideal results in front of me right

now).

Body temp should not be less than 98.2

Be cautious with some of the info from the RT3 group.

You said you "have some rt3" and are hoping the t4/t3 combo will help that.

RT3 is a normal thing...it is what excess unused t4 is turned into so it

can safely exit the body. If rt3 increases, it means some more t4 is not

getting converted to t3. So you address why 'that' is happening, you don't

have to address the rt3. Rt3 is just the trash can that unused t4 gets

dumped into...that's all it is. There are lots of reasons why rt3 can

increase, for example like when glucose lowers if one is diabetic and in

that case 'treating' rt3 instead of the real cause can be dangerous.

The t3 in Erfa/Naturethroid, etc lasts about 6 hours.

Taken early morning and then 5-6 hours later seems to copy how a regular

thyroid would work. I know if I take my porcine thyroid in olive oil after

4pm I'm awake and ready to party like a rock star allllllll night long.

I'm impressed that you can actually get to sleep after taking a night time

dose of t3.

I don't have much personal experience taking synthetic t3 other than it

felt like the top of my head was going to blow off and my teeth would

shatter, even on a teeny dose. FWIW I take 11 grains of desiccated porcine

thyroid in olive oil (no cellulose) from Women's International Pharmacy

and feel quite awesome.

Sam

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> Sam,I've been experimenting with my thyroid dosing for 5 years, I have

> hashi's. I've taken synthetic, old Armour, new Armour, NatureThroid, ERFA

> and now the synthetic T4/T3 combo, guess that covers most of what's out

> there ; ) I believe it was you on this list all those years ago, when I

> was considering the Wiley protocol, who enlightened me to thyroid/adrenal

> issues. I especially was grateful for the adrenal knowledge as mine sunk

> deeper a year after starting thyroid hormone. I am currently doing the

> T4/T3 combo after a horrible allergic reaction in January that I thought

> might be the ERFA glandular I had been taking for over a year. It wasn't

> the ERFA. Since I've switched I feel much better and I believe it's the

> T3 addtion as well as higher dosing overall. T3 has a half life of 5

> hours hence the more frequent dosing. It seemed counter intuitive to take

> a dose at bedtime but it had been discussed on another yahoo group (the

> RT3 group I think). I tried it and did find I was sleeping better

> although I do still have problems waking up "vibrating" with an all over

> sickening feeling, kinda like an internal earthquake. Adrenals? My last

> saliva test was pretty good but I'm due for a follow up. I have some RT3

> also and am hoping this combo will address some of that. I'm on the NDT

> and RT3 groups as well as an iodine yahoo group.Janet

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You might have low TIBC (iron binding capacity). In order for iron to get

where it needs to go, it has to be 'bound', so if TIBC is low, iron can

sort of " accumulate too high in your blood " (from STTM). With you having

lower ferritin, it sounds like that's what possibly could be happening. Do

you know what your % Saturation (percent saturation) was?

Oh, sinus stuff...allergy?

Underlying causes of high RT3?

Adrenal issues, ferritin/iron issues, infections, heart problems, tumors,

severe dieting, extreme exercise, injuries, hypothermia, boozing it up,

being diabetic, liver and kidney problems, having surgery, stress, etc etc

etc...

11 grains is what my body told med it needed - I dosed entirely by

symptoms. I know quite a few people who are on 10 grains and above,

including a few on 16 grains. I dosed sex hormones the same way.

Sam

(and I'm a great granny)

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> Sam,My last ferritin/iron test showed low ferritin and HIGH iron. I

> posted on the thyroid group about it but no one has a clue about how to

> deal with that. I haven't had it tested in a long time and I was cooking

> lots in a cast iron pan which I have backed off of doing. The horrible

> allergic reaction was sinus. Non stop sneezing and constant running nose

> to the point where I could not sleep for several nights or work. Massive

> amounts of homeopathics, herbs and then finally several types of

> antihistimines before it got under control. I had just come home from a

> cruise to the Bahamas and that night BAM ! It didn't stop completely for

> about a month. I have horrible sinus stuff these last 5 years. What I'm

> allergic to I don't exactly know since they come and go. I gave up gluten

> a year ago hoping that would improve things but it really hasn't although

> it did lower my TPO antibodies in half. Actually yesterday I had a bad

> bout of the sinus stuff after being ok for at least a month. It is

> ragweed season here in land so perhaps that's it. I agree with you

> about the RT3 in that it is the wisdom of the body. What do you think the

> underlying causes of that are? On the iodine group the liver has been

> brought up as the source of this problem because it is toxic and not able

> to convert. I would rather be on the NTH again and have thought about

> going back but I'm feeling so much better that I think I'll stick with it

> for now. I've never been a body temp believer because my temp, all my

> healthy life, was always lower than 98.6. I was a skinny healthy kid and

> adult with a lower temp. At age 52 all hell broke loose and things have

> never been the same. 11 grains WOW ! I know you don't have a thyroid but

> I've never heard of anyone taking that much. So good that it works for

> you and you know your sweet spot! Janet

> To: rhythmicliving

> From: k9gang@...

> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:06:50 -0700

> Subject: Re: ? Did you see this question?

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> Have you had ferritin/iron testing done?

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> Electrolytes?

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> What was the " horrible allergic reaction " that you had?

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> When you look at your saliva cortisol test, these are what perfect results

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> are like:

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> 8am - top of the range

>

> 12noon - about 3/4 up in range

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> 5-6pm - about 1/4 up in range

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> 12 midnight - bottom of the range

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> If you do ferritin/iron, ferritin should be about 70+, iron saturation 34%

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> (I don't have the list for the other ideal results in front of me right

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> now).

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> Body temp should not be less than 98.2

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> Be cautious with some of the info from the RT3 group.

>

> You said you " have some rt3 " and are hoping the t4/t3 combo will help

> that.

>

> RT3 is a normal thing...it is what excess unused t4 is turned into so it

>

> can safely exit the body. If rt3 increases, it means some more t4 is not

>

> getting converted to t3. So you address why 'that' is happening, you don't

>

> have to address the rt3. Rt3 is just the trash can that unused t4 gets

>

> dumped into...that's all it is. There are lots of reasons why rt3 can

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> increase, for example like when glucose lowers if one is diabetic and in

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> that case 'treating' rt3 instead of the real cause can be dangerous.

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>

> The t3 in Erfa/Naturethroid, etc lasts about 6 hours.

>

> Taken early morning and then 5-6 hours later seems to copy how a regular

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> thyroid would work. I know if I take my porcine thyroid in olive oil after

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> 4pm I'm awake and ready to party like a rock star allllllll night long.

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> I'm impressed that you can actually get to sleep after taking a night time

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> I don't have much personal experience taking synthetic t3 other than it

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> felt like the top of my head was going to blow off and my teeth would

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> shatter, even on a teeny dose. FWIW I take 11 grains of desiccated porcine

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> thyroid in olive oil (no cellulose) from Women's International Pharmacy

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> and feel quite awesome.

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>> Sam,I've been experimenting with my thyroid dosing for 5 years, I have

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>> hashi's. I've taken synthetic, old Armour, new Armour, NatureThroid,

>> ERFA

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>> and now the synthetic T4/T3 combo, guess that covers most of what's out

>

>> there ; ) I believe it was you on this list all those years ago, when I

>

>> was considering the Wiley protocol, who enlightened me to

>> thyroid/adrenal

>

>> issues. I especially was grateful for the adrenal knowledge as mine

>> sunk

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>> deeper a year after starting thyroid hormone. I am currently doing the

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>> T4/T3 combo after a horrible allergic reaction in January that I thought

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>> might be the ERFA glandular I had been taking for over a year. It

>> wasn't

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>> the ERFA. Since I've switched I feel much better and I believe it's the

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>> T3 addtion as well as higher dosing overall. T3 has a half life of 5

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>> hours hence the more frequent dosing. It seemed counter intuitive to

>> take

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>> a dose at bedtime but it had been discussed on another yahoo group (the

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>> RT3 group I think). I tried it and did find I was sleeping better

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>> although I do still have problems waking up " vibrating " with an all over

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>> sickening feeling, kinda like an internal earthquake. Adrenals? My

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>> saliva test was pretty good but I'm due for a follow up. I have some RT3

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