Calcium channel blocker - WP ....Re: types of estrogen and weaning off the dreaded Wiley protocol

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Interesting, . I like the little patches, Mom is using them now too, but with my skin I have a hell of a time simply keeping them attached. Wish they stayed on me! I think Dr. Vliet likes them too. Regarding calcium issue ....something curious and perhaps interesting to run by Dr. Schwarzbein... on the group we noticed that a bunch of us had strange dental problems about a year out from getting of the protocol. I'd gone YEARS without my dentist telling me I had a cavity, but suddenly I had cavities and other members did too - and complete tooth loss. Sure there is bias in a group that is not running a study and we are self reporting, and yada yada, but when a bunch of women do nutty crazy levels of hormones it's not out of the realm of reasonable to see some damage later on. I interviewed Dr. Formby about progesterone and minerals and I might have posted the information to the group back in ...maybe Aug '06? Thanks for the updates, !Laurel Hi Lori...peeking is fun:)The only delivery method that Dr. Schwarzbein has had any luck with is the patch and she prefers the Vivelle Dot patch. She says it's because it delivers estrodial in a minute amounts that the body is used to getting consistently over time before we go into menopause and our hormones start decreasing naturally.The problem with the creams and gels is that you get a bolus effect (large amount at once) that then tapers all day until maybe no effect and the body doesn't handle it well. Since the sex hormones are a minor hormone system and do affect all of the other systems, having this large amount go to small amounts effects our adrenals and thyroid and everything else. Not good.As she is tapering me/weaning me/detoxing me from the massive amounts of hormones in the Wiley protocol (bad protocol), she has added the patch so that my system never has nothing in it. The progesterone is still blocking the calcium channel blocker effects of the estrogen which she thinks/says is causing my mini-cramps/leg (and body sometimes) twitching (which is sooooo annoying and sometimes gets painful). She has me on 10 ml progesterone suppositories but stopped me early (day 24) this month because I was in a lot of twitching pain. Next month I'm using the progesterone starting day 18 instead of day 15.As of next week, I will be dropping down to 3 lines of transdermal morning and night (from 8 at the peek in February!!!) with .15 ml patch (a .1 and a .05) to help protect me from the crash my body does each time she lowers me a line. She seems to be lowering me one line per month. She waits until 7 days after I start bleeding (there's a reason for this but I forget what it is right now) before I lower it. Each time she lowers me a line, the percentage that I'm lowered increases. In other words, from 8 to 7 lines is a much smaller amount than from 4 to 3 lines as it will be next week.The transition time I'm having to adjust isn't long but our goal is to get me off this dangerous wiley protocol as quickly as I can handle it. I went into this knowing it would take 6-12 months before I got my pre-hormone happy, healthy body back! :)Hope that helps anyone who's working on this also.Hugs to you all...beth