Re: Pellets -Glo

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Hi Terri,

On the estriol, you are correct .. yes so are the other forms of estrogen produced during pregnancy. The only problem is .. estriol is usually ONLY produced during pregnancy. (When looking at a women in her productive years, unless she is pregnant, estriol will pretty much not show up on blood levels.) Consequently, when talking about doing what is "normal" for your body, using estriol as an estrogen supplementation cannot be considered "normal" for any women's body .. unless she is pregnant of course.

Doc's using estriol as part of a women's HRT .. I don't believe can be considered normal for a womens body.

I agree about the E antogonists .. but I think my question for you is .. if Testosterone is considered an E antogonist (did I understand that correctly?) how can testosterone convert to estrogen? I have many doc's that have indicated to me that my T converts to estrogen . (My confusion is probably about the wording, maybe?) I have never understood that taking testosterone will lower my E levels .. ?

I do use the prometrium (100mgs) 12 days a month and that does bring on a (approx.) 4-5 day bleed.

Best,

Glo

To: "rhythmicliving " <rhythmicliving >Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 10:23 PMSubject: Re: Pellets -Glo

Glo,

If a man has enough "T", then it will over ride the "E". I will not ever take any "E" antagonists, they cause blood clots, lost bone, hot flashes, and on and on. That being said, it sounds like what you are doing is working for YOUR BODY, and that is great! Estriol IS produced during pregnancy, but so are the two other forms of Estrogen. Estadiol is the most active form..it is the strongest form.Estriol is the weakest. It's not much help for replacement. What I personally think is what clicked for you, is that you are taking Prometrium 12 days a month..do you bleed? I didn't until my "E" levels got up to 500pg/ML. I'm happy for you that you found what works for YOUR body!!

Terri

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 8:50 PMSubject: Re: Pellets -Glo

I think I am confused. While we know .. when we think of estrogen and testosterone, they are "opposite". But testosterone converts to estrogen .. right?? This is quite a concern for men who are on testosterone supplementation. .. and then they do take what is considered an estrogen antogonist, to aid in lowering that too high of estrogen level. Maybe I did not understand what you were saying Terri? Estriol, from what I understand, is the estrogen we produce when we are pregnant. Otherwise it is pretty much nonexitent in the women's body. I actually went backwards with any kind of improvements I had made on estradiol cream when I changed docs and she insisted I switch to estriol. That lasted all of three months .. and then I moved on. I truly have tried every cream and every other type of hormone supplementation. I did not receive even 1/4 of the improvements that I have finally achieved with the my E and T

pellets. (I cycle prometrium 12 days a month.). We certainly know that pellets may not be the answer for everyone .. but I do want to shout from my mountain top what has worked for me, in the hopes that others may be able to achieve the same results. :)Best,Glo>Viki,> ANYTHING you put on your skin ANYWHERE will get into your system. Your skin is your largest "organ". The skin on your face is thinner than say on your thigh, so it is absorbed easier. That is also why anytime one has surgery on their face, it heals faster than on the body. Estriol is a "weak" Estrogen, that is probably why you feel that it doesn't affect your entire system, but it does. Testoterone is an E antagonist(which means it blocks E), so one would need to monitor both(or all if using more than

one hormone). Again, just trying to be helpful, not judging.>Terri> >>>________________________________>>To: rhythmicliving >Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 1:09 PM>Subject: RE: Pellets -Glo>>> > > >Hi Liz, I just saw your post and thought I should share my 2 cents- about the break-outs while on testosterone. I take a little testosterone to help out my adrenals but even with that amount I do break out some in the second part of the cycle when I up the doze. My experience is that it's a result of not sufficient

estrogen to counteract testosterone. Even though my own (I don't supplement with estrogen) est. levels at ovulation are 300-350, it is still not enough to prevent the break-outs when I use the testosterone cream. I will never give up the testosterone because it's the best (and actually good for you) antidepressant and energizer for me, so I found a solution. I use estriol face cream (I got it on Internet, 'Rejuvenate' by Biogenesis- but there are plenty others and your compound pharmacy can mix you one) on my problem areas- (even twice a day before my periods)- and that completely takes care of the problem, even blackheads. It's also a great> moisturizer for women with low est. levels, and it doesn't have a systematic effect if you use it on face.>If your test. levels are low, supplementing it is a greatest thing you can do for yourself.>Viki>PS also, low libido is not just the consequence of low testosterone. You neeD a

decent amount of estrogen to maintain a healthy libido too.>>>>________________________________>To: rhythmicliving >Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:39:31 -0700>Subject: Pellets -Glo>> >Hi Glo,>Thanks for sharing this! I had asked because I’d never heard of getting just E pellets and your post sounded to me that is all you got. :-) >Can you tell me what your Testo level gets to or what level you feel the best at? Do you have to take anything to block any of the side effects? I already tend to get acne. Iâ€m 51 and had a complete hyst 12 yrs ago. I’ve

tried Testro cream in the past and my Testo has gotten up to 60. I think I remembered tension and more break outs. It was several years ago and I only tried it for a month. >At this time, I have ZERO libido, low grade depression, that tends to be worse if I try to lower my E cream down at All. My cream only keeps me at 50 or so. I have swelling in my hands most days. Did you have any blood sugar issues pre pellets? I also have been running higher blood sugars. A lot of my depression comes from the fact that I also have constant burning pain in my stomach. And stomach pain. >Thanks!>Liz>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>Hi Liz,>> >>Yes, I

do get the testosterone pellets. If you really dislike the idea of that, I have found that most pellet doc's that I have gone to .. are very willing to work with you on those levels (or not?) of testosterone. I did not ever consider asking them not to insert the testosterone though .. so, not sure how the response might be on that? >> >>But .. on the testosterone, I think it has had many good effects for me. Before the pellets (for too many years) I truly was depressed and lacked all motivation. Consequently was very over weight. I had been 200 lbs on my >

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Glo, Too much T will convert to Estrone..the form of E that is higher in post-menopausal women and men. Estrone is not a good form of E to have at high levels..I "believe"(could be off on this)that high Estrone levels are associated with heart disease and breast cancer in men and women. SO happy for you that your levels are good and more importantly that you FEEL good!TerriTo: "rhythmicliving " <rhythmicliving >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:37 AMSubject: Re: Pellets -Glo

Hi Terri,

On the estriol, you are correct .. yes so are the other forms of estrogen produced during pregnancy. The only problem is .. estriol is usually ONLY produced during pregnancy. (When looking at a women in her productive years, unless she is pregnant, estriol will pretty much not show up on blood levels.) Consequently, when talking about doing what is "normal" for your body, using estriol as an estrogen supplementation cannot be considered "normal" for any women's body .. unless she is pregnant of course.

Doc's using estriol as part of a women's HRT .. I don't believe can be considered normal for a womens body.

I agree about the E antogonists .. but I think my question for you is .. if Testosterone is considered an E antogonist (did I understand that correctly?) how can testosterone convert to estrogen? I have many doc's that have indicated to me that my T converts to estrogen . (My confusion is probably about the wording, maybe?) I have never understood that taking testosterone will lower my E levels .. ?

I do use the prometrium (100mgs) 12 days a month and that does bring on a (approx.) 4-5 day bleed.

Best,

Glo

To: "rhythmicliving " <rhythmicliving >Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 10:23 PMSubject: Re: Pellets -Glo

Glo,

If a man has enough "T", then it will over ride the "E". I will not ever take any "E" antagonists, they cause blood clots, lost bone, hot flashes, and on and on. That being said, it sounds like what you are doing is working for YOUR BODY, and that is great! Estriol IS produced during pregnancy, but so are the two other forms of Estrogen. Estadiol is the most active form..it is the strongest form.Estriol is the weakest. It's not much help for replacement. What I personally think is what clicked for you, is that you are taking Prometrium 12 days a month..do you bleed? I didn't until my "E" levels got up to 500pg/ML. I'm happy for you that you found what works for YOUR body!!

Terri

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 8:50 PMSubject: Re: Pellets -Glo

I think I am confused. While we know .. when we think of estrogen and testosterone, they are "opposite". But testosterone converts to estrogen .. right?? This is quite a concern for men who are on testosterone supplementation. .. and then they do take what is considered an estrogen antogonist, to aid in lowering that too high of estrogen level. Maybe I did not understand what you were saying Terri? Estriol, from what I understand, is the estrogen we produce when we are pregnant. Otherwise it is pretty much nonexitent in the women's body. I actually went backwards with any kind of improvements I had made on estradiol cream when I changed docs and she insisted I switch to estriol. That lasted all of three months .. and then I moved on. I truly have tried every cream and every other type of hormone supplementation. I did not receive even 1/4 of the improvements that I have finally achieved with the my E and T

pellets. (I cycle prometrium 12 days a month.). We certainly know that pellets may not be the answer for everyone .. but I do want to shout from my mountain top what has worked for me, in the hopes that others may be able to achieve the same results. :)Best,Glo>Viki,> ANYTHING you put on your skin ANYWHERE will get into your system. Your skin is your largest "organ". The skin on your face is thinner than say on your thigh, so it is absorbed easier. That is also why anytime one has surgery on their face, it heals faster than on the body. Estriol is a "weak" Estrogen, that is probably why you feel that it doesn't affect your entire system, but it does. Testoterone is an E antagonist(which means it blocks E), so one would need to monitor both(or all if using more than

one hormone). Again, just trying to be helpful, not judging.>Terri> >>>________________________________>>To: rhythmicliving >Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 1:09 PM>Subject: RE: Pellets -Glo>>> > > >Hi Liz, I just saw your post and thought I should share my 2 cents- about the break-outs while on testosterone. I take a little testosterone to help out my adrenals but even with that amount I do break out some in the second part of the cycle when I up the doze. My experience is that it's a result of not

sufficient

estrogen to counteract testosterone. Even though my own (I don't supplement with estrogen) est. levels at ovulation are 300-350, it is still not enough to prevent the break-outs when I use the testosterone cream. I will never give up the testosterone because it's the best (and actually good for you) antidepressant and energizer for me, so I found a solution. I use estriol face cream (I got it on Internet, 'Rejuvenate' by Biogenesis- but there are plenty others and your compound pharmacy can mix you one) on my problem areas- (even twice a day before my periods)- and that completely takes care of the problem, even blackheads. It's also a great> moisturizer for women with low est. levels, and it doesn't have a systematic effect if you use it on face.>If your test. levels are low, supplementing it is a greatest thing you can do for yourself.>Viki>PS also, low libido is not just the consequence of low testosterone. You neeD a

decent amount of estrogen to maintain a healthy libido too.>>>>________________________________>To: rhythmicliving >Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 07:39:31 -0700>Subject: Pellets -Glo>> >Hi Glo,>Thanks for sharing this! I had asked because I’d never heard of getting just E pellets and your post sounded to me that is all you got. :-) >Can you tell me what your Testo level gets to or what level you feel the best at? Do you have to take anything to block any of the side effects? I already tend to get acne. Iâ€m 51 and had a complete hyst 12 yrs ago.

I’ve

tried Testro cream in the past and my Testo has gotten up to 60. I think I remembered tension and more break outs. It was several years ago and I only tried it for a month. >At this time, I have ZERO libido, low grade depression, that tends to be worse if I try to lower my E cream down at All. My cream only keeps me at 50 or so. I have swelling in my hands most days. Did you have any blood sugar issues pre pellets? I also have been running higher blood sugars. A lot of my depression comes from the fact that I also have constant burning pain in my stomach. And stomach pain. >Thanks!>Liz>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>Hi

Liz,>> >>Yes, I

do get the testosterone pellets. If you really dislike the idea of that, I have found that most pellet doc's that I have gone to .. are very willing to work with you on those levels (or not?) of testosterone. I did not ever consider asking them not to insert the testosterone though .. so, not sure how the response might be on that? >> >>But .. on the testosterone, I think it has had many good effects for me. Before the pellets (for too many years) I truly was depressed and lacked all motivation. Consequently was very over weight. I had been 200 lbs on my >