Re: Laurie/Estrogen

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz,

I am going to try the gel to see what happens. I put some on this a.m. and will

do the same this p.m. Well, the NP that I got the V.Dot from gave the samples

to me to WEAN off estrogen. She's the one who relies solely on saliva testing

and of course the results showed high estrogen and she panicked. I won't be

seeing her anymore because I know that I should NOT wean off estrogen. This

next doctor is the one who was okay with the '39' and it wasn't Dr. Gillespie.

I had a convo with Dr. G before these results were even in. I think Dr. G feels

that I won't absorb the gel well if the V.Dot isn't working well. The V. Dot

might be effective for me if I had a doctor who was willing to prescribe what I

need but right now I don't. I just happen to have these samples that I've been

experimenting with. I have been using a 0.05 mg patch every day but that doesn't

seem to be cutting it.

Thanks so much for replying to me Liz!

Laurie

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see a new NP last

> month

> >> > and

> >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her preferred way to test

> >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but I did it

anyway

> >> > as

> >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like I've been doing

> >> > alot

> >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on it so far,

which

> >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it continuously which I'm

> >>> unsure

> >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better. Well, my saliva

> >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a Bi-est cream

> >> > right

> >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and wean me down on

> the

> >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says I have too

much

> >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which time my estrogen

> was

> >> > a

> >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the negative.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy because my

> >>>> ultrasound

> >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors who saw the

> >> > results,

> >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I doubt she will

> >> > continue

> >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound wacky? She wants

to

> >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she doesn't want me

> to

> >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the Prometrium I began to

> shed

> >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week. Wouldn't

that

> >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a go yet because

I

> was

> >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva test results. I

> was

> >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head is spinning. I

> just

> >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> >>>> > > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ------------------------------------

> >> >

> >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >> >

> >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended

as

> >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

Sheree,

Yes, changing it every day but I've run out so I started the gel yesterday and

so far I feel okay. I dont feel worse so that's something, I think.

Laurie

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see a new NP last

> > month

> > >> > and

> > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her preferred way to

test

> > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but I did it

> >anyway

> > >> > as

> > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like I've been

doing

> > >> > alot

> > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on it so far,

> >which

> > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it continuously which I'm

> > >>> unsure

> > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better. Well, my

saliva

> > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a Bi-est

cream

> > >> > right

> > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and wean me down

on

> > the

> > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says I have too

> much

> > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which time my

estrogen

> > was

> > >> > a

> > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the negative.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy because my

> > >>>> ultrasound

> > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors who saw the

> > >> > results,

> > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I doubt she will

> > >> > continue

> > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound wacky? She wants

> to

> > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she doesn't want

me

> > to

> > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the Prometrium I began

to

> > shed

> > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week. Wouldn't

> that

> > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a go yet

because

> I

> > was

> > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva test results.

I

> > was

> > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head is spinning.

I

> > just

> > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> > >>>> > > >

> > >>> > >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > ------------------------------------

> > >> >

> > >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > >> >

> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended

> as

> > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

No problem, Liz...lol!

I was on testosterone and then when I saw Uzzi Reiss in February he told me to

stop until I got my estrogen back up so I stopped it and haven't taken it since.

Some doctors tell me to absolutely take it and others say don't take it. What

to do, what to do...lol. I think Dr. Gillespie said not to take it too BUT I

would have to go back and read my messages from her to verify.

I feel okay on the gel so far. It's only been one day but I don't feel worse so

I think that must be good!

I feel like I'm on Toad's Wild Ride here...just like everyone else, I know.

Even though you are making adjustments to your pellets are you still pretty

happy with them overall?

Laurie

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see a

new

> NP last

> >> > month

> >>>>> > >> > and

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her preferred

way

> to test

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but I

did

> it anyway

> >>>>> > >> > as

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like I've

> >>>>>>> been doing

> >>>>> > >> > alot

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on it

so

> >>>>>>> far, which

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it continuously

> which I'm

> >>>>> > >>> unsure

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better. Well,

> my saliva

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a

> >>>>>>> Bi-est cream

> >>>>> > >> > right

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and wean

> me down on

> >> > the

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says I

have

> too much

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which time

> my estrogen

> >> > was

> >>>>> > >> > a

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the

> negative.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy

because

> my

> >>>>>> > >>>> ultrasound

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors who

> saw the

> >>>>> > >> > results,

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I doubt

she

> will

> >>>>> > >> > continue

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound wacky?

> She wants to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she

doesn't

> want me

> >> > to

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the

Prometrium

> I began to

> >> > shed

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week.

> >>>>>>> Wouldn't that

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a go

> >>>>>>>>> yet because I

> >> > was

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva test

> >>>>>>> results. I

> >> > was

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head is

> spinning. I

> >> > just

> >>>>>>> > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > ------------------------------------

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> >>>>> intended as

> >>>>> > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

Liz,

I'm so glad you found something you are happy with and hopefully with the

adjustments those missing pieces will fall into place. The pellets are really

appealling to me but I can't go to an out of network doctor at the moment. I

will just have to put that on the side burner for now. Thanks to the heavens

for options! I will re-consider the testosterone...thank you for putting that

out there!

Laurie

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles.

> Went to see a new

> >> > NP last

> >>>>> > >> > month

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is

> her preferred way

> >> > to test

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most

> accurate but I did

> >> > it anyway

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I

> feel like I've

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> been doing

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > alot

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm

doing

> well on it so

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> far, which

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it

> continuously

> >> > which I'm

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unsure

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be

> better. Well,

> >> > my saliva

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them

today.

> I'm on a

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bi-est cream

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > right

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be

> 300)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the

Vivelle

> Dot and wean

> >> > me down on

> >>>>> > >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months

time....because

> she says I have

> >> > too much

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since

January

> at which time

> >> > my estrogen

> >>>>> > >> > was

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both

> showed in the

> >> > negative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an

endometrial

> biopsy because

> >> > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> ultrasound

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2

other

> doctors who

> >> > saw the

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > results,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was

> >>>>>>>>>>>> necessary. I doubt she

> >> > will

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > continue

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on

estrogen

> sound wacky?

> >> > She wants to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen

> because she doesn't

> >> > want me

> >>>>> > >> > to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I

started

> the Prometrium

> >> > I began to

> >>>>> > >> > shed

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a

> good week.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Wouldn't that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't

> given it a go

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> yet because I

> >>>>> > >> > was

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got

the

> saliva test

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> results. I

> >>>>> > >> > was

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel

> like my head is

> >> > spinning. I

> >>>>> > >> > just

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change.

> lol....

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > ------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > click here for our webpage

http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature

> and is not

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> intended as

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

P.S. What is libido??? LOL! Maybe someday I will have that again too. Sheesh.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles.

> Went to see a new

> >> > NP last

> >>>>> > >> > month

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > and

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is

> her preferred way

> >> > to test

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most

> accurate but I did

> >> > it anyway

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > as

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I

> feel like I've

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> been doing

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > alot

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm

doing

> well on it so

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> far, which

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it

> continuously

> >> > which I'm

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> unsure

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be

> better. Well,

> >> > my saliva

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them

today.

> I'm on a

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Bi-est cream

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > right

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be

> 300)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the

Vivelle

> Dot and wean

> >> > me down on

> >>>>> > >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months

time....because

> she says I have

> >> > too much

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since

January

> at which time

> >> > my estrogen

> >>>>> > >> > was

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > a

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both

> showed in the

> >> > negative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an

endometrial

> biopsy because

> >> > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> ultrasound

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2

other

> doctors who

> >> > saw the

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > results,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was

> >>>>>>>>>>>> necessary. I doubt she

> >> > will

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > continue

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on

estrogen

> sound wacky?

> >> > She wants to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen

> because she doesn't

> >> > want me

> >>>>> > >> > to

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I

started

> the Prometrium

> >> > I began to

> >>>>> > >> > shed

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a

> good week.

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Wouldn't that

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't

> given it a go

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> yet because I

> >>>>> > >> > was

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got

the

> saliva test

> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> results. I

> >>>>> > >> > was

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel

> like my head is

> >> > spinning. I

> >>>>> > >> > just

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change.

> lol....

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > ------------------------------------

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > click here for our webpage

http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature

> and is not

> >>>>>>> > >>>>> intended as

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

Sheree,

Not sure but I have read where some people do change them everyday and thought I

would give it a try. If I'm going to do the patches I need ... a script first

(lol) and someone to tell me how to best use them for ME. That's the tricky

part it seems is finding a doc who believes that I may need more than the

average Joe. How long do you think it takes to find out how well your body

responds to a certain dosage with the patch? I don't think I was on them long

enough to really know.

This last doc I went to, the one who thinks the '39' is okay, told me on the

phone that I should just stay on the 1.5mg patch (I told her my last doc

prescribed that) so if she is willing to prescribe that much for every 3.5 days

then maybe I can trial that for a good month and see how it goes. I am to see

her on Monday. I didn't want to go back to her but if I do then I can at least

get a script.

That is good info about not removing the old ones right away when applying the

new ones. Makes sense!

Laurie

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see a new NP

last

> > > month

> > > >> > and

> > > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her preferred way to

> >test

> > > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but I did it

> > >anyway

> > > >> > as

> > > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like I've been

> >doing

> > > >> > alot

> > > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on it so far,

> > >which

> > > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it continuously which

I'm

> > > >>> unsure

> > > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better. Well, my

> >saliva

> > > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a Bi-est

> cream

> > > >> > right

> > > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> > > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> > > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> > > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> > > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> > > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and wean me down

> on

> > > the

> > > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says I have too

> > much

> > > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which time my

> >estrogen

> > > was

> > > >> > a

> > > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the negative.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy because my

> > > >>>> ultrasound

> > > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors who saw

the

> > > >> > results,

> > > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I doubt she will

> > > >> > continue

> > > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound wacky? She

wants

>

> > to

> > > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she doesn't

want

> >me

> > > to

> > > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the Prometrium I

began

> >to

> > > shed

> > > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week. Wouldn't

> > that

> > > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a go yet

because

> >

> > I

> > > was

> > > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva test

results.

> >I

> > > was

> > > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head is

spinning.

> >I

> > > just

> > > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> > > >>>> > > >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ------------------------------------

> > > >> >

> > > >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > > >> >

> > > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

intended

>

> > as

> > > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheree,

I went to see Dr. Schwarzbein many moons ago when she was seeing patients. It's

probably been about 12 years but at that time I wasn't going specifically for

hormones. I really liked her and I have her books (I even bought her exercise

DVD's), etc…Then she got too famous and expensive and I stopped seeing her. I

did purchase her new Menopause kit and I have read through some of it but not as

thoroughly as I should. I just have so much personal stress swirling around me

in the last few months that I don't know if I'm coming or going. I'm so

desperate to get my hormones at a decent level so that I can feel good yet

manage what has been thrown my way. So, right now I just feel like I'm in

survival mode. Get the estrogen script, get the estrogen up and balance as best

as I can. In the meantime keep searching for the right doctor. Know what I

mean?

I think in your previous post you said you are on 4 patches a day. How long did

it take for you and Dr. S to fine tune your dosage? So glad that you are

feeling as well as you do. I have always had a real respect for Dr. S and I

wish that she had a physicians directory or something on her website that listed

other doctors who already subscribe to her methods. That might be useful for

those of us who need to TRY and find someone in network.

Funny, as I write this I see that `Menopause Minutes 6' just dropped into my

email inbox. Lol…

Thanks so much for the info Sheree! Really appreciate it!

Laurie

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see a

> new

> > NP last

> > >> > month

> > >>>>> > >> > and

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her preferred

> >way

> > to test

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but I

> >did

> > it anyway

> > >>>>> > >> > as

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like

I've

> > >>>>>>> been doing

> > >>>>> > >> > alot

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on it

> so

> > >>>>>>> far, which

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it continuously

> > which I'm

> > >>>>> > >>> unsure

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better.

Well,

> > my saliva

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a

> > >>>>>>> Bi-est cream

> > >>>>> > >> > right

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and

wean

> > me down on

> > >> > the

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says I

> >have

> > too much

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which

time

> > my estrogen

> > >> > was

> > >>>>> > >> > a

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the

> > negative.

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy

> >because

> > my

> > >>>>>> > >>>> ultrasound

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors

who

> > saw the

> > >>>>> > >> > results,

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I doubt

> she

> > will

> > >>>>> > >> > continue

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound

wacky?

> > She wants to

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she

> >doesn't

> > want me

> > >> > to

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the

> Prometrium

> > I began to

> > >> > shed

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week.

> > >>>>>>> Wouldn't that

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a

go

> > >>>>>>>>> yet because I

> > >> > was

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva test

> > >>>>>>> results. I

> > >> > was

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head

is

> > spinning. I

> > >> > just

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > ------------------------------------

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> > >>>>> intended as

> > >>>>> > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

If she at all listens to your symptoms, maybe you can document those. I find

that I do not sleep well at all below a certain dosage

of estrogen, yet it puts me at a higher level than my doc would like.

I am not sure what the answer is, but I really like to sleep well.

I change patches every day but leave the old one on for 2-3 days.

Deb in MI

> >

> > Laurie,

> >

> > Are you sure you're supposed to change them everyday? I wear 4 patches and

> > change them twice a week. However , when I put on the new patches, I don't

take

> > the old patches off for at least 6 hours because it takes awhile for the new

> > ones to start working. Dr. Schwarzbein told beth this and she shared

it

> > with us awhile back. It works.

> >

> > Sheree

[Guest guest]

Boy that Wiley protocol is something else. I never even heard of it until

joining this group. I feel for you and the others who are trying to 'fix' that.

What a long process. Sounds you like you are in excellent hands with Dr. S.

I am sure you will make an informed decision when it comes to deciding whether

or not to have a hysterectomy or not. Not an easy decision but interesting that

her patients feel much better with the hysterectomy. I guess it makes it easier

to dose the hormones because you don't know how much or when the ovaries are

going to shoot out some hormones? I wonder how much the adrenal glands spit out

plays into that? Hmmmm...I guess something to leave to the Dr. to worry

about....lol

Yes, it really is one day at a time....actually one moment at a time. lol...

Thank you for the phone number. I believe I will call and see if they have a

referral. I am in Southern CA so maybe that might make it easier to pull

something out of them. I will pull out my menopuase kit materials this weekend

and dig in . The menopause minutes on statins was a good one wasn't it?

Wishing you continued success on your journey

Laurie

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see

a

> > new

> > > NP last

> > > >> > month

> > > >>>>> > >> > and

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her

preferred

>

> > >way

> > > to test

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but

I

>

> > >did

> > > it anyway

> > > >>>>> > >> > as

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like

> I've

> > > >>>>>>> been doing

> > > >>>>> > >> > alot

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on

it

>

> > so

> > > >>>>>>> far, which

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it

continuously

> > > which I'm

> > > >>>>> > >>> unsure

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better.

> >Well,

> > > my saliva

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a

> > > >>>>>>> Bi-est cream

> > > >>>>> > >> > right

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and

> >wean

> > > me down on

> > > >> > the

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says

I

> > >have

> > > too much

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which

> >time

> > > my estrogen

> > > >> > was

> > > >>>>> > >> > a

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the

> > > negative.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy

> > >because

> > > my

> > > >>>>>> > >>>> ultrasound

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors

> who

> > > saw the

> > > >>>>> > >> > results,

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I

doubt

> > she

> > > will

> > > >>>>> > >> > continue

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound

> wacky?

> > > She wants to

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she

> > >doesn't

> > > want me

> > > >> > to

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the

> > Prometrium

> > > I began to

> > > >> > shed

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week.

> > > >>>>>>> Wouldn't that

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a

> go

> > > >>>>>>>>> yet because I

> > > >> > was

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva

test

> > > >>>>>>> results. I

> > > >> > was

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head

> is

> > > spinning. I

> > > >> > just

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >

> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> > ------------------------------------

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > > >>>>> > >> >

> > > >>>>> > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is

not

> > > >>>>> intended as

> > > >>>>> > >> > medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

There isn't Gael. It is a .1 patch with a .05 patch so two patches.

Laurie

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Hi...I feel like I'm going in circles. Went to see a new

> NP last

> > > > month

> > > > >> > and

> > > > >>> > > she wanted me to do a saliva test as that is her preferred

> way to

> > >test

> > > > >>> > > hormones. I've read that it's not the most accurate but I

> did it

> > > >anyway

> > > > >> > as

> > > > >>> > > it's getting so expensive to doc hop which I feel like I've

> been

> > >doing

> > > > >> > alot

> > > > >>> > > lately. She put me on Prometrium and I'm doing well on it

> so far,

> > > >which

> > > > >>> > > really surprised me. She wants me to take it continuously

> which I'm

> > > > >>> unsure

> > > > >>> > > about. I'm guessing that cyclically would be better. Well,

> my

> > >saliva

> > > > >>> > > results came back and we discussed them today. I'm on a

> Bi-est

> > cream

> > > > >> > right

> > > > >>> > > now (through Uzzi) and these were my results:

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Estradiol: >99 (2-10)

> > > > >>>> > > > Estriol: >100 (14-38)

> > > > >>>> > > > Estrone: 64 (38-68)

> > > > >>>> > > > Progesterone: 73 (she says should be 300)

> > > > >>>> > > > Testosterone: 19 (10-38)

> > > > >>>> > > > DHEA: 1 (3-10)

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > So, now she wants to put me on the Vivelle Dot and wean

> me down

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > >>> > > estrogen over about 2-3 months time....because she says I

> have too

> > > much

> > > > >>> > > estrogen in my tissues.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > I haven't had serum testing since January at which time

> my

> > >estrogen

> > > > was

> > > > >> > a

> > > > >>> > > '19.' Progesterone and testosterone both showed in the

> negative.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > She also wants me to go for an endometrial biopsy because

> my

> > > > >>>> ultrasound

> > > > >>> > > showed the lining to be at around 7mm. 2 other doctors who

> saw the

> > > > >> > results,

> > > > >>> > > including Uzzi, didnt' think that was necessary. I doubt she

> will

> > > > >> > continue

> > > > >>> > > to see me if I don't do it.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Does her plan to wean me down on estrogen sound wacky?

> She wants

> >

> > > to

> > > > >>> > > eventually get me on a sublingual estrogen because she

> doesn't want

> > >me

> > > > to

> > > > >>> > > take it transdermally or orally.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Oh, on top of all that....after I started the Prometrium

> I began

> > >to

> > > > shed

> > > > >>> > > my lining and have had a headache for about a good week.

> Wouldn't

> > > that

> > > > >>> > > headache be low estrogen?

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > I do have Oestrogel to try but I haven't given it a go

> yet because

> > >

> > > I

> > > > was

> > > > >>> > > flu and then I decided to wait until I got the saliva test

> results.

> > >I

> > > > was

> > > > >>> > > curious to see what the NP's plan would be.

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>>> > > > Thanks so much for your input. I feel like my head is

> spinning.

> > >I

> > > > just

> > > > >>> > > want to do the right thing for a change. lol....

> > > > >>>> > > >

> > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > ------------------------------------

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > click here for our webpage _http://rhythmicliving.com/_

> (http://rhythmicliving.com/)

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> intended

> >

> > > as

> > > > >> > medical advice.** Yahoo! Groups Links

> > > > >> >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _http://liz-vernand.artistwebsites.com_

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> > > > _http://fineartamerica.com/shop/liz-vernand.html_

> (http://fineartamerica.com/shop/liz-vernand.html)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

Yes, I am the same way as my sleep is very much affected by lower estrogen

levels. I also really notice a depression along with anxiety and sometimes a

feeling of panic. Hot flashes too. Ugh.

Curious as to what your estrogen level is that makes your Doc think it might be

too high? What dosage of patch are you on? Do you think that you feel better

on the patch than you did on other types of estrogen?

Thank you!

Laurie

> > >

> > > Laurie,

> > >

> > > Are you sure you're supposed to change them everyday? I wear 4 patches

and

> > > change them twice a week. However , when I put on the new patches, I

don't take

> > > the old patches off for at least 6 hours because it takes awhile for the

new

> > > ones to start working. Dr. Schwarzbein told beth this and she shared

it

> > > with us awhile back. It works.

> > >

> > > Sheree

>

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

When my E2 level was 150, I didn't get the bleed. I think I must have high SHBG

going on as well. It was 299 a couple of weeks ago, so I will be cutting my

patches in half to see if I can bring it down.

I am finding that I need a small bump at night to sleep better so maybe the

lower dose plus the small patch right before bed.

I do like the patch so much better than the cream. I haven't tried any other

forms of it.

My doc wanted me to add back Testos. and so I have, (I had dropped it since Dr.

S says most don't need it). In those same labs I just got back, my total T is

..77 in the range that goes to .90, but my free Testos. is at the very bottom

number of the range. I guess that means that all the testos. is converting to

estradiol.

Its all very confusing, espec. for those with multiple issues of adrenal fatigue

and thryoid going on as well.

Deb in MI

> > > >

> > > > Laurie,

> > > >

> > > > Are you sure you're supposed to change them everyday? I wear 4 patches

and

> > > > change them twice a week. However , when I put on the new patches, I

don't take

> > > > the old patches off for at least 6 hours because it takes awhile for the

new

> > > > ones to start working. Dr. Schwarzbein told beth this and she

shared it

> > > > with us awhile back. It works.

> > > >

> > > > Sheree

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

My SHBG is high too. Last couple of checks it was mid 200's which doesn't help

matters..lol.

So your higher estrogen level corresponds to when you started supplementing

testosterone again? Interesting. Are you going to discontinue it?

I like the ease of the patch compared to the creams. Although the gel dries

really quickly which is nice. I see my doctor of the moment tomorrow so I think

I'm going to continue with the patch unless she has a more appealing idea. I

doubt she will though since she thinks my level of 39 is fine..lol. Looking

back over my notes I think I made too many quick changes with the patch and

never gave one dose enough time. I think in my desperation I was jumping the

gun. So, may just stick with 1 dose for a set period of time and see what

happens...and hope for the best!

Thanks for sharing your experiences

Laurie

> > > > >

> > > > > Laurie,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you sure you're supposed to change them everyday? I wear 4

patches and

> > > > > change them twice a week. However , when I put on the new patches, I

don't take

> > > > > the old patches off for at least 6 hours because it takes awhile for

the new

> > > > > ones to start working. Dr. Schwarzbein told beth this and she

shared it

> > > > > with us awhile back. It works.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheree

>

[Guest guest]

Sheree...will look forward to hearing her take on it! Thank you!

Laurie

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Laurie,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Are you sure you're supposed to change them everyday? I wear 4

> >patches and

> >

> > > > > > change them twice a week. However , when I put on the new patches,

I

> >don't take

> >

> > > > > > the old patches off for at least 6 hours because it takes awhile for

> >the new

> >

> > > > > > ones to start working. Dr. Schwarzbein told beth this and she

> >shared it

> >

> > > > > > with us awhile back. It works.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheree

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sheree -

....two for ya...

~~~ How in the world do you deal with FOUR patches? I am intellectually All

About avoiding-the-first-pass-through-the-liver and all, but I couldn't even

stand dealing with ONE patch at a time...peeling off and needing Spendy

Replacement...or if not peeling off, then leaving gummy circular residue in

various places which would last for days and days, looking like I'd been

attacked by a sucker-mouthed sea-serpent-or-somethin'...

~~~ Re: Opinion on Hys...I had one almost four years ago, after bleeding pretty

much 24/7 [immense fibroids] for going on two years (varying from spotting to

flooding). I fought Hys like hell for 8+ years, but at 49 (I am now 53),

dealing with another potential 3-4 years of daily bleeding did not seem

practical. I had a total cleanout...uterus, cervix, ovaries...due to

glomming-up-post-[previous]-UAE. [i picked out a damned fine surgeon with

mega-experience...went in for surgery circa 10am, and woke up in recovery circa

6pm...the hospital bill was $40K; fortunately insurance covered all but a couple

hundred bucks.] My orgasms have been Afflicted...I can still HAVE them easily

enough, but they are not NEARLY so Banging without the uterine contractions,

hmm. OTOH, orgasms constitute a very tiny amount of my daily life, compared to

bleeding ALL THE DAMNED TIME. *shrugs* So it was a good decision for me, I

guess, under the circumstances.

For the record, I am currently taking 2mg oral bio-identical estradiol plus a

dab of testosterone gel. On the whole, I feel pretty good on a daily basis...

FWIW,

~ ruby ~

>

> Laurie,

>

> I was on the Wiley Protocol for almost 2 years and really got all my receptors

> messed up. I've been

> with Dr. Schwarzbein for a year now. Right now I'm on 4 patches without

> progesterone because

> I have progesterone poisoning from WP overdosing. She thinks it will take

about

> another year for

> me to start feeling really great and be balanced. So for right now I am not

> fine tuned. She is working very closely with me monthly. Since she

understands

> the dangers of W.P.; understands how all

> the hormone groups work together; and is so loving and caring and available I

> feel hopeful and safe with

> her. Right now my concern is to get enough estrogen to bring my brain back.

So

> I am taking estradiol

> straight for about 3 months and then taking enough progesterone for a bleed.

I

> also have to take a periodic uterine ultrasound to check my uterine lining.

> Another choice I am looking into is maybe getting a hysterectomy. That way I

> won't have to worry about taking progesterone or having a period. However,

I'm

> concerned about how it would affect me physically and sexually so I am

> interested in hearing stories from women who have had one. Dr. S says her

> happiest patients are those who have had one. So.....

> I am on my transition journey. I certainly understand being overwhelmed and

> stressed and worried

> about how I'm going to cope. The best advice I have been given is - give

myself

> alot of grace and just do what's right in front of me and eventually I'll get

> there.

>

> If you call her office she might be able to recommend someone in your area. I

> know they are very

> pro active about teaching other physicians. Also in her Menopause Book she

> explains how to tell your doctor what you want and how to get the results you

> want. And they have the companion information

> material for your doctor. I eventually want to find out if she communicates

> with other physicians that

> are trying to help their patients follow her protocol. I know their hearts

are

> to teach others. Her phone

> number is .

>

> Hope this helps.

> Blessings,

> Sheree

>

[Guest guest]

Sheree,

What a gem you are Thank you so much for looking into that! I discovered

that I had 4 sample patches left (0.75 and 0.25) so I have been doing 0.1 mg

every 3.5 days. My doc appt was canceled the other day so they rescheduled me

for today and hopefully she will give me another script for the Dot so I can

give this a good shot in the right way and test in maybe a month or two.

I have had a couple of good night's sleep for a change. The kind where I slept

through the whole night without a trip to the bathroom and my covers were hardly

moved. Ahhh!

Thanks again,

Laurie

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Laurie,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Are you sure you're supposed to change them everyday? I wear 4

> > >patches and

> > >

> > > > > > > change them twice a week. However , when I put on the new

patches, I

> >

> > >don't take

> > >

> > > > > > > the old patches off for at least 6 hours because it takes awhile

for

>

> > >the new

> > >

> > > > > > > ones to start working. Dr. Schwarzbein told beth this and

she

> > >shared it

> > >

> > > > > > > with us awhile back. It works.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sheree

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

IS there a secret to getting that sticky stuff off? lol...I have been using a

tiny bit of oil before the shower which works but I still find myself working

hard to remove it. I don't want to put a new patch over that residue because

I'm afraid it won't stick and then I've wasted a patch.

> >

> > Laurie,

> >

> > I was on the Wiley Protocol for almost 2 years and really got all my

receptors

>

> > messed up. I've been

> > with Dr. Schwarzbein for a year now. Right now I'm on 4 patches without

> > progesterone because

> > I have progesterone poisoning from WP overdosing. She thinks it will take

> >about

> >

> > another year for

> > me to start feeling really great and be balanced. So for right now I am not

> > fine tuned. She is working very closely with me monthly. Since she

> >understands

> >

> > the dangers of W.P.; understands how all

> > the hormone groups work together; and is so loving and caring and available

I

> > feel hopeful and safe with

> > her. Right now my concern is to get enough estrogen to bring my brain back.

So

> >

> > I am taking estradiol

> > straight for about 3 months and then taking enough progesterone for a bleed.

I

> >

> > also have to take a periodic uterine ultrasound to check my uterine lining.

> > Another choice I am looking into is maybe getting a hysterectomy. That way

I

>

> > won't have to worry about taking progesterone or having a period. However,

I'm

> >

> > concerned about how it would affect me physically and sexually so I am

> > interested in hearing stories from women who have had one. Dr. S says her

> > happiest patients are those who have had one. So.....

> > I am on my transition journey. I certainly understand being overwhelmed and

> > stressed and worried

> > about how I'm going to cope. The best advice I have been given is - give

myself

> >

> > alot of grace and just do what's right in front of me and eventually I'll

get

> > there.

> >

> > If you call her office she might be able to recommend someone in your area.

I

>

> > know they are very

> > pro active about teaching other physicians. Also in her Menopause Book she

> > explains how to tell your doctor what you want and how to get the results

you

> > want. And they have the companion information

> > material for your doctor. I eventually want to find out if she communicates

> > with other physicians that

> > are trying to help their patients follow her protocol. I know their hearts

are

> >

> > to teach others. Her phone

> > number is .

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> > Blessings,

> > Sheree

> >

>