RE: Re: Sex hormones first

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

I am also seeing Dr. Schwarzbein. It's hard to remember, but it seems at our initial visit she said that the major hormones are life and death and need to be addressed first, then the minor hormones. However, since and I are both trying to get off the Wiley Protocol, Dr. S is doing this first because our whole system is messed up from this protocol and it's about all we can handle right now. She thought that maybe I had an adrenal problem before I went on this protocol (no one tested me at the time), so she is monitoring me closely in case she has to help my adrenals if they start crashing. I know that the high levels of estradiol raises my TSH level and the overdose of progesterone lowers my HGH. So for us right now, we need to get down to manageable hormone levels or detoxed completely before we can even get accurate tests of our major hormones. However, I'm not the Dr., but

it seems like that is how I understood what we are doing at this stage in our healing. I did start eating like she recommends on my own, and it seems to be really helping me. She also told me not to exercise too much right now because my body is tearing down. Anyway, I'm trying to get back to my normal baseline of health so we can discover any underlying causes. Hope this helps.

Blessings,

Sheree

To: rhythmicliving Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 11:51:55 AMSubject: Re: Sex hormones first

That doesn't coincide with what I have witnessed over the past few years.Thyroid/adrenal issues can absolutely affect sex hormones.Simply "properly" addressing the thyroid/adrenal issues usually results insex hormones normalizing on their own, without supplementing them. But ifthey don't normalize, then (after thyroid/adrenal) that is when theyshould be addressed.From what I've seen, and experienced, doing it backwards (sex hormonesfirst, thyroid/adrenal after) isn't usually as successful and is much moreof a pain in the arse to do. In my opinion, when sex hormones go awry,there is almost always an underlying cause, and it's that underlying causethat really should be tackled first.I don't even have ovaries, and yet I still needed to addressthyroid/adrenal before moving forward with BHRT.That's my 3 cents.Sam=====> Hi Sam,>> Actually, when Dr. S

explains it, it makes a lot of sense. The sex> hormones> can, and often are, the reason the other hormone systems are messed up in> the first place. You see, there are major hormones and minor hormone> systems> and our sex hormones are minor so first you adjust them and once they are> in> balance, you then work on the others. If you work on all of the systems at> the same time, it doesn't work as well. Makes complete sense when you> think> about it:-)>> Thanks for the info and glad the leg stuff isn't just me!>> Hugs, E>

[Guest guest]

Sam,

how do I subscribe to your group? What is the name of it? i would be honored to join. You really know your stuff. how do you find a hormone flow chart? I understand high progesterone can turn into high cortisol, eventually fatiguing the adrenals and affecting thyroid. This is what the WP did to me and now I have to see if I can undo the damage. YOU are one smart lady!!!!

be well,

My best regards,

Nanci

To: rhythmicliving From: k9gang@...Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:28:12 +0000Subject: Re: Sex hormones first

Yes, of course, getting off the WP is a priority. I was just explaining to Nanci the general order of treatment where thyroid/adrenal and sex hormones are concerned. With the overdose amounts of progesterone on the WP, adrenals might take a big hit, and again when all that progesterone starts to come out of the tissues in the ensuing months. Adrenal function, specifically cortisol, can effect absorption of thyroid hormones - cortisol is like the key that opens the door which allows thyroid into receptors. Low cortisol can mean less thyroid is getting to where it's needed in adequate amounts. This is why I've been noisy about monitoring both "while" y'all are getting off the WP. Check out a hormone flow chart and see what progesterone can turn into... The most benign way to watch thyroid/adrenals is by charting temperatures. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/temperature It never hurts to keep an eye on things. Sam >> Hi Sam, > > I am also seeing Dr. Schwarzbein. It's hard to remember, but it seems at our > initial visit she said that the major hormones are life and death and need to be > addressed first, then the minor hormones. However, since and I are > both trying to get off the Wiley Protocol, Dr. S is doing this first because our > whole system is messed up from this protocol and it's about all we can handle > right now. She thought that maybe I had an adrenal problem before I went on > this protocol (no one tested me at the time), so she is monitoring me closely in > case she has to help my adrenals if they start crashing. I know that the high > levels of estradiol raises my TSH level and the overdose of progesterone lowers > my HGH. So for us right now, we need to get down to manageable hormone levels > or detoxed completely before we can even get accurate tests of our major > hormones. However, I'm not the Dr., but it seems like that is how I understood > what we are doing at this stage in our healing. I did start eating like she > recommends on my own, and it seems to be really helping me. She also told me > not to exercise too much right now because my body is tearing down. Anyway, I'm > trying to get back to my normal baseline of health so we can discover any > underlying causes. Hope this helps.> > Blessings, > Sheree> >