Guest guest Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Pamela, did a palliative care fellowship and is now running a palliative care program, and last I heard, very happy. SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com Yes! That was Guinn in New Mexico and I believe most doctors experienced empathy burnout around 10-12 patients. After that we just start tuning out. BTW - I don't see her on the IMP map. I hope she didn't burnout . . . Gordon, this also reminds me of the 20% increase in polyps detected during colonoscopies BEFORE 11:00 am. Yes. Doctors are not robots. ~ Pamela > > > > > > Duh! But what will we do about it? > > > > Cote > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:04:22 AM > > Subject: doctor burn out > > > > > > > > > > CNN is running this story today on physician burnout. About 40%. > > Front line primary care people about 60%. > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/health/time-doctor-burnout/index.html > > > > Ben > > RECENT ACTIVITY: > > Visit Your Group > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Thanks to all involved for these very interesting topics. These conversations strengthen my resolve to become an IMP in 2013.Frederick Elliott MDBuffalo, NY Pamela, did a palliative care fellowship and is now running a palliative care program, and last I heard, very happy. SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com Yes! That was Guinn in New Mexico and I believe most doctors experienced empathy burnout around 10-12 patients. After that we just start tuning out. BTW - I don't see her on the IMP map. I hope she didn't burnout . . . Gordon, this also reminds me of the 20% increase in polyps detected during colonoscopies BEFORE 11:00 am. Yes. Doctors are not robots. ~ Pamela > > > > > > Duh! But what will we do about it? > > > > Cote > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:04:22 AM > > Subject: doctor burn out > > > > > > > > > > CNN is running this story today on physician burnout. About 40%. > > Front line primary care people about 60%. > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/health/time-doctor-burnout/index.html > > > > Ben > > RECENT ACTIVITY: > > Visit Your Group > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Steve, I beg to differ. I see 12-15 patients/day and, though I do not come close to what the “average” FP supposedly makes, I am still making well over $100,000/year. It can be done. I do agree, though, that it is not just the patients, but the third party rules which leads to burnout. The added layer(s) of complexity makes the whole process more draining. This goes to a message I am continually trying to push forward to the AAFP and others—if FPs are considered the cornerstone of a high quality affordable health care system, then shouldn’t we be doing everything in our power to keep those who are practicing practicing and entice the new generation of med students to choose primary care? This can only be done by changing the way we get paid so that our relationship with our patients is strengthened. Adding more administrative trivia, more top down regulations, or even continuing with the status quo will not suffice. We need to keep the worker bees happy or the future will not be very pretty. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of drhorvitzSent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:40 AMTo: Subject: Re: doctor burn out I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but how much of burnout is due to treating a patient, but having to deal with a third party for both payment and treatment guidelines?I agree about 12-15 per day makes a nice patient load. But you won't ever survive as a viable business within today's healthcare payment system. Stevestown. > > > > > > > > > Duh! But what will we do about it?> > > > > > Cote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: " Ben Brewer " <brewermd98@>> > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:04:22 AM> > > Subject: doctor burn out> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CNN is running this story today on physician burnout. About 40%.> > > Front line primary care people about 60%.> > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/health/time-doctor-burnout/index.html> > > > > > Ben> > > RECENT ACTIVITY:> > > Visit Your Group> > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use> > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Agreed. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of drhorvitzSent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:24 AMTo: Subject: Re: doctor burn out I mis wrote my previous post.I have no burnout from patients. I enjoy my interaction with them.I had approached burnout with third parties.I removed them.I do what I believe to be best for each patient and have no third party whispering in my ear or threatening me.My point is that an IMP should never get burned out, unless the IMP is restricted from doing what they want, which is usually by the third party.I went into FP so I could control my own destiny. I believe that is shared by many on this list. If FP's can regain control of the system, we would have an overflow, as opposed to a fake shortage.Stevestown.> > > > > > > > > > > > Duh! But what will we do about it?> > > > > > > > Cote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: " Ben Brewer " <brewermd98@>> > > > To: > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:04:22 AM> > > > Subject: doctor burn out> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CNN is running this story today on physician burnout. About 40%.> > > > Front line primary care people about 60%.> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/health/time-doctor-burnout/index.html> > > > > > > > Ben> > > > RECENT ACTIVITY:> > > > Visit Your Group> > > > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I thought the burn out is from the insurance companies and the compassion fatigue is from the patients? To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: RE: Re: doctor burn out Agreed. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of drhorvitzSent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:24 AMTo: Subject: Re: doctor burn out I mis wrote my previous post.I have no burnout from patients. I enjoy my interaction with them.I had approached burnout with third parties.I removed them.I do what I believe to be best for each patient and have no third party whispering in my ear or threatening me.My point is that an IMP should never get burned out, unless the IMP is restricted from doing what they want, which is usually by the third party.I went into FP so I could control my own destiny. I believe that is shared by many on this list. If FP's can regain control of the system, we would have an overflow, as opposed to a fake shortage.Stevestown.> > > > > > > > > > > > Duh! But what will we do about it?> > > > > > > > Cote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Ben Brewer" <brewermd98@>> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 9:04:22 AM> > > > Subject: doctor burn out> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CNN is running this story today on physician burnout. About 40%.> > > > Front line primary care people about 60%.> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/health/time-doctor-burnout/index.html> > > > > > > > Ben> > > > RECENT ACTIVITY:> > > > Visit Your Group> > > > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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