Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP?Sharon Sharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.htmlOpen access cash practice model Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP?Sharon Sharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us :)Sharon http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.html Open access cash practice model Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP?Sharon Sharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer.He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge.I don't know what his current terms and rates are.HelenTo: From: docsharon@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us :)Sharon http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.html Open access cash practice model Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP?Sharon Sharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Helen,Thanks for sharing that. It was difficult for me to determine his financial set-up from what I read online but that explains some things. Not that the general concept isn't OK (direct pay and all that). SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617 PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge.I don't know what his current terms and rates are.HelenTo: From: docsharon@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us :)Sharon http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.html Open access cash practice model Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP?Sharon Sharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 My experience is the same. I struck up a conversation with him last year at an NCAFP conference (he is the incoming president). I had IMPish interest in open collaboration. He was only interested in giving me information about paying to be part of his franchise. It was a brief conversation. Haresch > > > I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. > > He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge. > > I don't know what his current terms and rates are. > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Thanks .Sharon My experience is the same. I struck up a conversation with him last year at an NCAFP conference (he is the incoming president). I had IMPish interest in open collaboration. He was only interested in giving me information about paying to be part of his franchise. It was a brief conversation. Haresch > > > I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. > > He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge. > > I don't know what his current terms and rates are. > > Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 That seems outrageous. From: [ ] On Behalf Of Helen Yang [helenwyang@...] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:18 PM To: IMP Group Subject: RE: Dr Forrest on Sermo I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge. I don't know what his current terms and rates are. Helen To: From: docsharon@... Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us Sharon On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Graham Chiu wrote: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.html Open access cash practice model On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sharon McCoy wrote: Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP? Sharon Sharon McCoy MD Renaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617 PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Graham Chiu wrote: He's the current invited speaker https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Back when I was looking into all this I pretty much came to the same conclusion. There’s another group out there that Dr. Forrest seemed to have some input into that borrowed his general model and then refined it a bit. They call themselves “Physician Care Direct” (http://physiciancaredirect.com) . I ultimately didn’t think they offered quite enough to make their services worth it for me to pursue, but they certainly seemed to be better than Dr. Forrest himself, and if one were already inclined to listen to a spiel about retainer practice franchises, I think they offer one of the better (or at least more polished) packages out there. Ken From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kennedy, JimSent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:08 PMTo: Subject: RE: Dr Forrest on Sermo That seems outrageous. From: [ ] On Behalf Of Helen Yang [helenwyang@...]Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:18 PMTo: IMP GroupSubject: RE: Dr Forrest on Sermo I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer.He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge.I don't know what his current terms and rates are.HelenTo: From: docsharon@...Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us :)Sharon http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.htmlOpen access cash practice model Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP? SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly.-- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 He has a retainership model where you pay currently $48/month. So, turning his system into a franchise is a natural extension of the same model ...except your practice becomes the patient, and you pay 15% of gross per annum to be mentored or treated. Not sure why you think this is outrageous ..,. franchises do charge a percentage of gross. How much are most traditional practice models losing to admin costs and fighting insurance companies? In the Sermo discussion, there is no mention though of a franchise fee. Just the system and how it can work with non hospital based systems. He mentions that he has helped some specialists move to this model too. People seem to be very enthusiastic. That seems outrageous. From: [ ] On Behalf Of Helen Yang [helenwyang@...] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:18 PM To: IMP Group Subject: RE: Dr Forrest on Sermo I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge. I don't know what his current terms and rates are. Helen To: From: docsharon@... Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us Sharon On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Graham Chiu wrote: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.html Open access cash practice model On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sharon McCoy wrote: Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP? Sharon Sharon McCoy MD Renaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617 PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Graham Chiu wrote: He's the current invited speaker https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 48/month seems cheap, 15% of collections does not. I have done many practice consultations and do it for a lot less than 15% of collections. ________________________________________ From: [ ] On Behalf Of Graham Chiu [compkarori@...] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:09 PM To: Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo He has a retainership model where you pay currently $48/month. So, turning his system into a franchise is a natural extension of the same model ...except your practice becomes the patient, and you pay 15% of gross per annum to be mentored or treated. Not sure why you think this is outrageous ..,. franchises do charge a percentage of gross. How much are most traditional practice models losing to admin costs and fighting insurance companies? In the Sermo discussion, there is no mention though of a franchise fee. Just the system and how it can work with non hospital based systems. He mentions that he has helped some specialists move to this model too. People seem to be very enthusiastic. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Kennedy, Jim > wrote: That seems outrageous. ________________________________ From: <mailto: \ > [ <mailto:@...\ m>] On Behalf Of Helen Yang [helenwyang@...] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:18 PM To: IMP Group Subject: RE: Dr Forrest on Sermo I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge. I don't know what his current terms and rates are. Helen ________________________________ To: <mailto: \ > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us Sharon On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-cos\ ts.html Open access cash practice model On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sharon McCoy > wrote: Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP? Sharon Sharon McCoy MD Renaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617 PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com<http://www.SharonMD.com> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote: He's the current invited speaker https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 A group of IMPs in any state could get together and hire some lawyers to help create the necessary contracts, business entities, etc. themselves with needing to pay franchise fees for years. That would lower our overhead for this model by 15% from the start. 48/month seems cheap, 15% of collections does not. I have done many practice consultations and do it for a lot less than 15% of collections. ________________________________________ From: [ ] On Behalf Of Graham Chiu [compkarori@...] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:09 PM To: Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo He has a retainership model where you pay currently $48/month. So, turning his system into a franchise is a natural extension of the same model ...except your practice becomes the patient, and you pay 15% of gross per annum to be mentored or treated. Not sure why you think this is outrageous ..,. franchises do charge a percentage of gross. How much are most traditional practice models losing to admin costs and fighting insurance companies? In the Sermo discussion, there is no mention though of a franchise fee. Just the system and how it can work with non hospital based systems. He mentions that he has helped some specialists move to this model too. People seem to be very enthusiastic. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Kennedy, Jim > wrote: That seems outrageous. ________________________________ From: <mailto: > [ <mailto: >] On Behalf Of Helen Yang [helenwyang@...] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:18 PM To: IMP Group Subject: RE: Dr Forrest on Sermo I visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer. He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge. I don't know what his current terms and rates are. Helen ________________________________ To: <mailto: > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us Sharon On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.html Open access cash practice model On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sharon McCoy > wrote: Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP? Sharon Sharon McCoy MD Renaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617 PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com<http://www.SharonMD.com> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote: He's the current invited speaker https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 That's a great idea! CCote To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:52:45 AMSubject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo A group of IMPs in any state could get together and hire some lawyers to help create the necessary contracts, business entities, etc. themselves with needing to pay franchise fees for years. That would lower our overhead for this model by 15% from the start. 48/month seems cheap, 15% of collections does not. I have done many practice consultations and do it for a lot less than 15% of collections.________________________________________From: [ ] On Behalf Of Graham Chiu [compkarori@...]Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:09 PMTo: Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo He has a retainership model where you pay currently $48/month. So, turning his system into a franchise is a natural extension of the same model ...except your practice becomes the patient, and you pay 15% of gross per annum to be mentored or treated. Not sure why you think this is outrageous ..,. franchises do charge a percentage of gross. How much are most traditional practice models losing to admin costs and fighting insurance companies?In the Sermo discussion, there is no mention though of a franchise fee. Just the system and how it can work with non hospital based systems. He mentions that he has helped some specialists move to this model too. People seem to be very enthusiastic. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Kennedy, Jim > wrote:That seems outrageous.________________________________From: <mailto: > [ <mailto: >] On Behalf Of Helen Yang [helenwyang@...] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:18 PMTo: IMP GroupSubject: RE: Dr Forrest on SermoI visited Dr. Forest's practice (35min from mine) once a couple of years ago to meet him for the first time and take him out for lunch. He had a contract ready for me sign for him to take 15% of all collections for 15 years in order for him to help me to set up my practice. I could not afford that, so declined his offer.He made most of his patient income from the account billing labs than the office visit charge.I don't know what his current terms and rates are.Helen________________________________To: <mailto: > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:09:50 -0700Subject: Re: Dr Forrest on SermoThanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us :)Sharon On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote:http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care-costs.htmlOpen access cash practice model On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sharon McCoy > wrote:Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP?SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com<http://www.SharonMD.com> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote:He's the current invited speakerhttps://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820so you can quiz him directly.--Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.--Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.--Graham Chiuhttp://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2012 Report Share Posted August 14, 2012 If memory serves... $48/month is what is collected per patient as the retainer. Presuming this is the same as the Physician Care Direct model, then in exchange for that $48/month, pts. basically get one free comprehensive physical per year with associated screening labs (CMP, CBC, pap/PSA, lipid panel) arranged through the provider (where the provider has presumably negotiated a steeply discounted rate with a lab), plus " membership benefits " - same day appointments, discounted visits, access to provider cell phone #, access to a patient portal with labs, maybe a certain number of free phone calls, prescription refills without needing to come in just for that, etc. No health insurance needed or accepted; patients are expected to pay in full at time of visit. In exchange for that stiff 15% cut, PCD gives you a shiny piece of software that allows you to print receipts with numbers on them that you make up to show them how much they saved with their discounts. You'll also have " Access cards " (not sure what the point of these is except to give out to help convince your patients they belong to an exclusive club), and assurances from PCD that PCD will help you drum up additional business through local employers; the point being that PCD has some financial incentive to bring you business since they get to keep 15% of your gross take. Again, this is Physician Care Direct I'm talking about, it may or may not be exactly what Dr. Forrest himself offers. Ken Re: Dr Forrest on Sermo Thanks Graham. He's almost as cool as us Sharon On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/07/direct-primary-care-reduces-primary-care -costs.html Open access cash practice model On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Sharon McCoy > wrote: Who is Dr. Forrest? Is he/she an IMP? Sharon Sharon McCoy MD Renaissance Family Medicine 10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617 PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com<http://www.SharonMD.com> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Graham Chiu > wrote: He's the current invited speaker https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 so you can quiz him directly. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 So then do it already and stop complaining about dr Forrest trying to help docs bring down the cost of care. I did it my own way in 2008, have a choice of annual retainer, monthly Payment options, or just pay at each time of service. Insurance is only used for labs and outside services. What I hear so much on this group is how everyone is struggling to make it work financially, how insurers are a pain, and how patients just don't value or respect your care. Stop complaining and do something! If you want to know how and why I changed my practice, just ask. No charge, no percentage fee. But honestly, this group would do much better if true solutions would be looked at seriously, instead of just continuing to dig a deeper hole by continuing with all the third party bs, and talking bout how poor all of our patients are. My practice has retainer patients from low middle and high income classes. It's. It about income or fees. It's about value and trust. IMP's should lead the way in primary care in both value and trust! Sorry for the rant but I am late for dinner and get ranty when I am hungry! Steve stown Third party free since 2008 Opted out of Medicare July 2012. > > > > He's the current invited speaker > > > > https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 > > > > so you can quiz him directly. > > > > -- > > Graham Chiu > > http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ > > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Graham Chiu > > http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ > > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Graham Chiu > > http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ > > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 > If memory serves... > > $48/month is what is collected per patient as the retainer. Presuming this > is the same as the Physician Care Direct model, then in exchange for that > $48/month, pts. basically get one free comprehensive physical per year with > associated screening labs (CMP, CBC, pap/PSA, lipid panel) arranged through .. <snip> ..No > health insurance needed or accepted; patients are expected to pay in full at > time of visit. Quote from his post " Our patients generally pay no more than $20 when they come into the office and they are done; no Explanation Of Benefits to come in the mail and no hassles about getting balance billed. The second difference between our practice and concierge practices is that we do not limit the patient panel to a small size. One of the drawbacks to concierge models is that if all physicians were to transition to it the doctor shortage would be much worse. In our practice we are able to care for a patient panel size that is comparable to the average primary care practice. So don’t call us Concierge- if anything Concierge Lite-all the taste and none of the sugar/calories/guilt. " > > In exchange for that stiff 15% cut, No one is forcing anyone to buy into the franchise. He also has written extensively about his model. If you need personal mentoring, then pay for it. I would guess Mcs, Subway etc charge comparable franchise fees except here there is no branding. Just his not so secret formula. God forbid anyone make an income from medicine. Perhaps people should just read free access only journals and not pay to attend conferences where you pay someone to teach you something new on how to improve your skills. > PCD gives you a shiny piece of software > that allows you to print receipts with numbers on them that you make up to > show them how much they saved with their discounts. You'll also have Nothing mentioned about this in his model. -- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 >God forbid anyone make an income from medicine. Perhaps people should just read free access only journals and not pay to >attend conferences where you pay someone to teach you something new on how to improve your skills. >> PCD gives you a shiny piece of software that allows you to print >> receipts with numbers on them that you make up to show them how much >>they saved with their discounts. You'll also have >Nothing mentioned about this in his model. Then that's particularly interesting. Why? Because Physician Care Direct (http://physiciancaredirect.com) definitely offers such software (they call it 'Simplicity'), and Dr. Forrest's Access Healthcare (www.acchealth.com) is an affiliate of Physician Care Direct. The upshot? It seems to imply that Dr. Forrest is marketing/selling a system other than the one he himself is now using. And BTW, no, I don't have any aversions to either making or spending money. I just like to be clear at all times about which of those it is that I'm really doing. :^) Ken >Graham Chiu >http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ >Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Steve,Your rant makes sense.Being a physician martyr makes no sense.I am interested in learning more about your business model.I am sure I am not the only one.Come rant at IMP camp...RhondaSubject: Re: Dr Forrest on SermoTo: Date: Tuesday, August 14, 2012, 10:26 PM So then do it already and stop complaining about dr Forrest trying to help docs bring down the cost of care. I did it my own way in 2008, have a choice of annual retainer, monthly Payment options, or just pay at each time of service. Insurance is only used for labs and outside services. What I hear so much on this group is how everyone is struggling to make it work financially, how insurers are a pain, and how patients just don't value or respect your care. Stop complaining and do something! If you want to know how and why I changed my practice, just ask. No charge, no percentage fee. But honestly, this group would do much better if true solutions would be looked at seriously, instead of just continuing to dig a deeper hole by continuing with all the third party bs, and talking bout how poor all of our patients are. My practice has retainer patients from low middle and high income classes. It's. It about income or fees. It's about value and trust. IMP's should lead the way in primary care in both value and trust! Sorry for the rant but I am late for dinner and get ranty when I am hungry! Steve stown Third party free since 2008 Opted out of Medicare July 2012. > > > > He's the current invited speaker > > > > https://app.sermo.com/posts/posts/141820 > > > > so you can quiz him directly. > > > > -- > > Graham Chiu > > http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ > > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Graham Chiu > > http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ > > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Graham Chiu > > http://www.compkarori.co.nz:8090/ > > Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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