Re: Re: Diet - Example

[Guest guest]

Kotesh,

I looked back through my files and found something I have sent out in the

past. Maybe it will help some.

Of course, the things we should eat the most of (meat and veggies) aren¹t on

here because theyrŒe pretty basic.

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Here's what I've come up with over the years... this is a constantly

evolving list of things we use. Some are used VERY sparingly.

MILK

*Soymilk (Soysilk is the best tasting, some are OK and cheaper- many

soymilks we¹ve tried are awful!)

* ³Meyenberg² Goat Milk (WalMart or Meijer). (It comes in a small purple

one-quart carton). We used this for a while until my one son who liked it

became sensitive to goat milk.

**** Watch the soy milk... it gives some people the runs! People who can't

tolerate beans may have trouble with it.

We now use soymilk for one son and Vance¹s ³DariFree² for the other (potato

milk). The second son can¹t have soy.

CHOCOLATE CHIPS

* We buy Ghirardelli chocolate chips at World Market and at WalMart... they

don¹t have milk in them. The package says " may contain trace amounts " but I

understand that this is just in case of cross contamination from

manufacturing (not a big concern). We don't do chocolate often. It

contains sugar (a no-no) and also arginine which Dr. Goldberg recently

informed me " helps " the virus. By the way, peanut butter contains arginine

as well.

CHEESE

* Watch out for of most of the ³vegetarian² cheesesŠ they contain casein,

which is milk, so they are not OK.

* We love " Manchego " pasteurized sheep's milk cheese from Sam's or Meijer.

It tastes like mozzarella.

* There is goat cheddar cheese available, but most is unpasteurized and Dr.

Goldberg said " NO! " (can harbor viruses and bacteria).

* Feta cheese (must be pasteurized) if your child can have goat milk.

* I should mention that goat milk is sometimes OK, but as the protein is

similar to bovine protein many people develop a sensitivity to it as well.

About 20% of the kids are also sensitive to soy.

ICE CREAM

* Many groceries carry " Soy Dream " ice creams in their health food section-

they are good- many flavors, (especially the chocolate) are close to

indistinguishable from ³regular² ice cream. There are also " Tofutti " brand

" fake " ice creams which are great. Trader Joe's carries these.

MARGARINE

* Soy Garden (tub margarine)

* Fleischman¹s UNSALTED stick margarine

* I have heard that Bluebonnet Light is OK.. haven't checked it out yet.

BREAD

* Wonder Bread (be careful... at some stores it has milk in it, at some it

doesn't)

* Nickels Italian Bread (loaf)

* WalMart¹s ³Great Value² crescent rolls

(the kind in the tube that you pop open on the counter)

* WalMart¹s ³Great Value² rolled pie crusts

* I think WalMart also has some other store brand refrigerator rolls that

don't have milk in them... the kind in the tube you pop open. Always check,

though.

* Some pita bread and tortillas (they sell some OK brands at WalMart but I

can't think of the brands.

SYRUP

* Log Cabin Sugar Free.

COOKIES, CANDY and SNACKS

* Junior Mints

* Animal crackers (that old-fashioned brand in the red box with the circus

characters on the front- can¹t think of the name)

* Reduced fat Oreos

* Voortman shortbread cookies (these are great!)

* Some Nature Valley crunchy granola bars (but NOT the lower fat ones).

* Kellogg's brand Pop Tarts (fruit flavors or brown-sugar flavor)

* Whole Fruit Sorbet.

* Nesquick chocolate syrup or powder.

CAKE

* Duncan Hines cake mixes are almost all soy based (no milk). I think the

white cake does contain milk, though.

CONVENIENCE MEAT

* WalMart and Sam's sell Jennie O Turkey deli meats... these are usually

OK.

* Hebrew National Beef s (hot dogs)

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Other names for milk (to watch for on labels) Š

* milk solids ( " curds " )

* whey

* casein (sodium caseinate, most commonly)

* lactose (sodium lactylate, frequently)

* lactalbumin and other names that begin with lact

* Recaldent. (milk-derived ingredient found in some Trident brand chewing

gums).

* " natural ingredients " . Some of these may contain dairy products or

byproducts. You can call the manufacturer (an 800 number is usually listed

on the packaging) for further information. Lately I've been told by several

manufacturers that since milk is one of the top allergens now, they are

required to list it by name on the package, but I don't know if it applies

to everyone.

* Lactic acid is sometimes milk-derived and sometimes vegetable derived so

that's one you might want to call the manufacturer about.

And the obviousŠ

milk

butter

cheese

yogurt

*** By the way, ³sodium stearoyl lactylate² is NOT a milk ingredient.

That's all I can think of right now. Sorry so long! I know a lot of the

items on the above list contain quite a bit of sugar... we almost never eat

them but this is just a list of options.

If you think of anything you need a substitute for, ask us on the list and

someone may have an idea.

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Dr. G do not like gummies. I do not know why.

Thanks

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:53 PM, agirlnamedsuess21 <

agirlnamedsuess@...> wrote:

>

>

> I hate to be the bearer of BAD NEWS. The purple and orange have red in them

> also. These also have allergens and gluten. So, you have not elminated the

> red dye if you just throw out the red ones.

> Gummi vites are allergen and dye free. Two a day is all you need.

>

>

>

> >

> > Kotesh,

> >

> > Welcome.

> >

> > I know Dr. G. is fine with the traditional Flintstones kids

> multivitamins...

> > we just have to throw out the reds.

> >

> > As far as the diet, we have found that the fewer ingredients something

> > contains, the better.

> >

> > If your child is willing, you can throw out the traditional idea of

> > breakfast... it could help... think more meat and veggies.

> >

> > We do a lot of of scrambled eggs and sometimes mild sausage. We do some

> > cereal but try to keep the bowl small. Put stevia or Splenda on top

> intead

> > of sugar. Dr. G¹s favorite cereal for the kids is Kellogg¹s brand Rice

> > Krispies because it is quite safe as far as ingredients.

> >

> > For school lunch, we do several pieces of meat in one slice of bread

> folded

> > in half (or a flour tortilla), carrot sticks, beans, celery or even

> olives.

> > A little fruit.

> >

> > Dinner is often crock pot meat (we have a big family so that¹s an easy

> way

> > to cook lots of meat for us, and since the meat turns out tender and

> > flavorful the kids like it). We use ³Swansons Natural Goodness² canned

> > broth (try WalMart) instead of regular bouillon, which has more tricky

> > ingredients. Sometimes we cook the veggies in the pot with the meat,

> > sometimes we steam them. Sometimes we shred the meat and put it on a

> little

> > rice with the sauce.

> >

> > My kids also go wild over pork roasts in the oven, and hams.

> >

> > The diet doesn¹t have to be complicated. A basic diet. Of course,

> you

> > can still make things that are more work, but you don¹t have to. We make

> a

> > great pizza with mayonnaise instead of cheese. We put the mayonnaise in a

> > baggie, cut the corner off and drizzle it over the pizza. We also make it

> > occasionally with Manchego (pasteurized sheep¹s milk cheese much like

> > mozzarella) but that is quite expensive (we get it at Sam¹s) and not

> > something to do often (don¹t want to develop a new sensitivity).

> >

> > I hope that gives you a few ideas.

> >

> > Soup is another great option.

> >

> > Best of luck getting started,

> > Caroline G.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We tried to use Gummi Vites, and despite throwing out all the colors that were

not ok, my son developed a rash all around his mouth.  It went away a few days

after stopping, and came back when we tried again.  (I always retest at least

once even when I'm pretty sure.)

I don't know what it is that triggers this rash, because it comes with other

things too, like Cefzil I've recently realized.  Dye does cause it but so does

something else.

HTH

________________________________

From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@...>

Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 8:50:40 PM

Subject: Re: Diet - Example

 

I can answer this. We have a red dye and gluten issue, and so we use the Gummi

Vites. They are free of all allergens and dyes. You can get them at WALMART and

some grocery stores or GNC.

>

> Hi All,

>

> We saw Dr. Goldeberg last Tuesday. He asked us to stop using all the

> supplements that we were using in the DAN protocol and asked us to

> use regular multi-vitamin with no red ones. I need to know which one do you

> guys use?

>

> He asked us to implement high protein diet with few carbs. Can someone give

> me an example of their kid's one day diet with protocol?

>

> I appreciate your input.

>

> Thanks

> Kotesh

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We use Hero Naturals Vitamins. You can google these and look at them. I buy them

in a natual foods store. They are a gummy vitamin, all natural, no dyes, and

GFCF. They have many kinds we give our son calcium one too!

________________________________

From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@...>

Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 1:25:15 PM

Subject: Re: Diet - Example

 

Well, I love them and they work very well for us. I can tell they work because

every single time we run out and it takes a few days or week to get to the store

and my kids are without them, then they start getting sick. Immediately back on

the vitamins and my kids get better.

Maybe *Dr G* does not like them because they have no iron? My kids get enough

iron in their dietary intake.

These vitamins are a lifesaver for us because my kids cannot have artificial dye

(especially red) and one cannot have gluten or tree nuts.

I swear by them, but everyone has a different opinion.

But I do know for sure that al those hard chewable vitamins (like Flintstones)

have red dye (especially the orange, grape/purple, and red), as well as a lot of

other gunk in them.

> > >

> > > Kotesh,

> > >

> > > Welcome.

> > >

> > > I know Dr. G. is fine with the traditional Flintstones kids

> > multivitamins. ..

> > > we just have to throw out the reds.

> > >

> > > As far as the diet, we have found that the fewer ingredients something

> > > contains, the better.

> > >

> > > If your child is willing, you can throw out the traditional idea of

> > > breakfast... it could help... think more meat and veggies.

> > >

> > > We do a lot of of scrambled eggs and sometimes mild sausage. We do some

> > > cereal but try to keep the bowl small. Put stevia or Splenda on top

> > intead

> > > of sugar. Dr. G¹s favorite cereal for the kids is Kellogg¹s brand Rice

> > > Krispies because it is quite safe as far as ingredients.

> > >

> > > For school lunch, we do several pieces of meat in one slice of bread

> > folded

> > > in half (or a flour tortilla), carrot sticks, beans, celery or even

> > olives.

> > > A little fruit.

> > >

> > > Dinner is often crock pot meat (we have a big family so that¹s an easy

> > way

> > > to cook lots of meat for us, and since the meat turns out tender and

> > > flavorful the kids like it). We use ³Swansons Natural Goodness² canned

> > > broth (try WalMart) instead of regular bouillon, which has more tricky

> > > ingredients. Sometimes we cook the veggies in the pot with the meat,

> > > sometimes we steam them. Sometimes we shred the meat and put it on a

> > little

> > > rice with the sauce.

> > >

> > > My kids also go wild over pork roasts in the oven, and hams.

> > >

> > > The diet doesn¹t have to be complicated. A basic diet. Of course,

> > you

> > > can still make things that are more work, but you don¹t have to. We make

> > a

> > > great pizza with mayonnaise instead of cheese. We put the mayonnaise in a

> > > baggie, cut the corner off and drizzle it over the pizza. We also make it

> > > occasionally with Manchego (pasteurized sheep¹s milk cheese much like

> > > mozzarella) but that is quite expensive (we get it at Sam¹s) and not

> > > something to do often (don¹t want to develop a new sensitivity) .

> > >

> > > I hope that gives you a few ideas.

> > >

> > > Soup is another great option.

> > >

> > > Best of luck getting started,

> > > Caroline G.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I do not know if this was the best choice but after reading dozens of labels I

choose Centiium adult Vits because of the lack of dyes. Anyone have a reason why

this was a bad/good choice?

Bill

From: <thecolemans4@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1:22 PM

 

We tried to use Gummi Vites, and despite throwing out all the colors that

were not ok, my son developed a rash all around his mouth. It went away a few

days after stopping, and came back when we tried again. (I always retest at

least once even when I'm pretty sure.)

I don't know what it is that triggers this rash, because it comes with other

things too, like Cefzil I've recently realized. Dye does cause it but so does

something else.

HTH

____________ _________ _________ __

From: agirlnamedsuess21 <agirlnamedsuess@ hotmail.com>

groups (DOT) com

Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 8:50:40 PM

Subject: Re: Diet - Example

I can answer this. We have a red dye and gluten issue, and so we use the Gummi

Vites. They are free of all allergens and dyes. You can get them at WALMART and

some grocery stores or GNC.

>

> Hi All,

>

> We saw Dr. Goldeberg last Tuesday. He asked us to stop using all the

> supplements that we were using in the DAN protocol and asked us to

> use regular multi-vitamin with no red ones. I need to know which one do you

> guys use?

>

> He asked us to implement high protein diet with few carbs. Can someone give

> me an example of their kid's one day diet with protocol?

>

> I appreciate your input.

>

> Thanks

> Kotesh

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

Dr. G said those were OK for our older son for right now (he weighs 105).

We still use the Flintstones for the younger one.

How big is your son? Do you give him the whole thing or break it into a

smaller dose?

I¹d love to switch our youngest to those if we could. There¹s the dye issue

and I hate wasting money by throwing the Flintstones reds out.

Caroline

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:26:23 -0700 (PDT)

< >

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

I do not know if this was the best choice but after reading dozens of labels

I choose Centiium adult Vits because of the lack of dyes. Anyone have a

reason why this was a bad/good choice?

Bill

[Guest guest]

Has anybody asked Dr. G why our children have allergic reactions to these foods?

What is happening in their digestive systems that is causing these problems?

Regards,

JR

From: sfglover@...

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:02 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

Bill,

Dr. G said those were OK for our older son for right now (he weighs 105).

We still use the Flintstones for the younger one.

How big is your son? Do you give him the whole thing or break it into a

smaller dose?

I¹d love to switch our youngest to those if we could. There¹s the dye issue

and I hate wasting money by throwing the Flintstones reds out.

Caroline

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:26:23 -0700 (PDT)

< >

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

I do not know if this was the best choice but after reading dozens of labels

I choose Centiium adult Vits because of the lack of dyes. Anyone have a

reason why this was a bad/good choice?

Bill

[Guest guest]

Caroline

Connor weights 95 lbs and is a very robust 11 yr old. We have been using these

since he was eight. 70 lbs

Bill

From: Caroline Glover <sfglover@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 8:42 AM

 

Bill,

Dr. G said those were OK for our older son for right now (he weighs 105).

We still use the Flintstones for the younger one.

How big is your son? Do you give him the whole thing or break it into a

smaller dose?

I¹d love to switch our youngest to those if we could. There¹s the dye issue

and I hate wasting money by throwing the Flintstones reds out.

Caroline

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill>

Reply-<groups (DOT) com>

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:26:23 -0700 (PDT)

<groups (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

I do not know if this was the best choice but after reading dozens of labels

I choose Centiium adult Vits because of the lack of dyes. Anyone have a

reason why this was a bad/good choice?

Bill

[Guest guest]

JR,

Here's my take on it...

I can't remember discussing it with Dr. G., but my impression is that it

comes with the overreactive immune system... friendly fire. Their bodies

are recognizing food not as something to leave alone, but as something to

fight with antibodies. Those misguided antibodies may also be attacking

other things in the body... we don't know. So it's best not to eat those

foods. It may also have something to do with leaky gut problems... tiny

particles of food that are " leaking " into the body/bloodstream due to

inflamed mucosal barriers in the intestinal walls.

I read a GREAT book on food allergies by Sicherer (from s

Hopkins)... " Understanding and Managing Your Child's Food Allergies " which

was more geared to anaphylactic type reactions, but the book was quite

fascinating to me. I recommended it to a dietician friend of mine and she

said she couldn't put it down. It was the first time I really " got " how the

immune system can play into reactions. One really interesting theory

involves the lack of parasites in our culture and how our bodies

(specifically iGe antibodies, I think) end up with nothing to fight and end

up attacking the wrong things.

Anyway, those are my impressions, some may be right, some may be wrong, and

what happens in one person may not fit another's situation.

Caroline G.

> From: <jrodrig6605@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:48:19 -0500

> <nids >

> Subject: RE: Re: Diet - Example

>

> Has anybody asked Dr. G why our children have allergic reactions to these

> foods? What is happening in their digestive systems that is causing these

> problems?

>

>

>

> Regards,

> JR

[Guest guest]

Thanks Caroline for the information.

In my opinion the food allergies are caused by viral infections causing

inflammation in the digestive system leading to deterioration of the stomach

lining. Then this could cause leaky gut or by not having the right balance in

gut bacteria which are essential part of proper immune system function resulting

in food allergies. That is my opinion, but I wonder what is Dr. G's opinion.

I undestand what happens after things go wrong in the digestive system, but what

I always want to learn is what happened in the children's bodies for them to

develop food allergies. That is where the answer we all are looking for will be

found.

Thanks again,

JR

From: sfglover@...

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:17:18 -0400

Subject: Re: Re: Diet - Example

JR,

Here's my take on it...

I can't remember discussing it with Dr. G., but my impression is that it

comes with the overreactive immune system... friendly fire. Their bodies

are recognizing food not as something to leave alone, but as something to

fight with antibodies. Those misguided antibodies may also be attacking

other things in the body... we don't know. So it's best not to eat those

foods. It may also have something to do with leaky gut problems... tiny

particles of food that are " leaking " into the body/bloodstream due to

inflamed mucosal barriers in the intestinal walls.

I read a GREAT book on food allergies by Sicherer (from s

Hopkins)... " Understanding and Managing Your Child's Food Allergies " which

was more geared to anaphylactic type reactions, but the book was quite

fascinating to me. I recommended it to a dietician friend of mine and she

said she couldn't put it down. It was the first time I really " got " how the

immune system can play into reactions. One really interesting theory

involves the lack of parasites in our culture and how our bodies

(specifically iGe antibodies, I think) end up with nothing to fight and end

up attacking the wrong things.

Anyway, those are my impressions, some may be right, some may be wrong, and

what happens in one person may not fit another's situation.

Caroline G.

> From: <jrodrig6605@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:48:19 -0500

> <nids >

> Subject: RE: Re: Diet - Example

>

> Has anybody asked Dr. G why our children have allergic reactions to these

> foods? What is happening in their digestive systems that is causing these

> problems?

>

>

>

> Regards,

> JR

[Guest guest]

Sloan

Yes I am using Centrum. multivitamin/multimineral Complete A-Z. One of the other

parents pointed out that it contains gluten but it is not on the label. I

categorize his foods as either intolerance's or immune triggers. I see gluten as

an intolerance and as his gut has healed the intolerance's are being less

reactive than immune triggers like dye or dairy.

He definitely is not reacting to Centrum but that may not be true for a kid that

is still suffering for big gut issues.

On another note Connor is passing through puberty and as with many kids his

allergies are becoming less aggressive. Just another piece of the puzzle.

Bill

From: Sloan <Sloan_smith@...>

Subject: Re: Diet - Example

Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 3:51 PM

 

Im curious about vitamins too. We are switching from the DAN protocol

(MANY MANY supplements) to Dr. G, but the idea of Flintstones vitamins is

throwing me. I see that it has soy and food dyes which I know my son reacts

horribly to.

Wondering if anyone has tried or heard Dr. G talk about:

EveryDayâ„¢ Multi-Vitamin - Hypoallergenic

http://www.kirkmanl abs.com/ViewProd uctDetails@ Product_ID@ 224@Product_

Group_ID@ 1.aspx

Ingredients are a little different.

Bill, is that Centrum you use? which one?

thanks!, Sloan

[Guest guest]

I use One Source for Teens--no dyes, but you have to swallow them. I give them

only 1/2 because their ages are 11, 9 and 7.

All the best,

Robyn

________________________________

From: Sloan <Sloan_smith@...>

Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 12:51:20 PM

Subject: Re: Diet - Example

Im curious about vitamins too. We are switching from the DAN protocol (MANY MANY

supplements) to Dr. G, but the idea of Flintstones vitamins is throwing me. I

see that it has soy and food dyes which I know my son reacts horribly to.

Wondering if anyone has tried or heard Dr. G talk about:

EveryDayâ„¢ Multi-Vitamin - Hypoallergenic

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/ViewProductDetails@Product_ID@224@Product_Group_ID@1.\

aspx

Ingredients are a little different.

Bill, is that Centrum you use? which one?

thanks!, Sloan