Re: Re: Immunovir and breaks

[Guest guest]

Guys

My son Connor has been on Immunivor for over a year. It is not an antiviral but

an immune modulator. How I understand it from both DR K and Dr G is as follows:

Immunivor stabilizes the T cell counts towards normal. If the patient has low T

cell counts it raises them. If they have high T cell counts it lowers them. It

does take time. My son had a count by immune panels of under 3.75% with normal

being about 18%. That was Aug of 2008. We started it in October. By January it

was up to 5.5% and as of last August it was up to 15+%. Over that time we gave

the med to him cyclically. Weekdays full dose. Weekends off. Every other week

half dosage and weekends off. This is because the immunivor raises the uric acid

levels in his blood. Most of you are having uric acid levels tested and are

seeing slightly elevated levels due to the immune. The reason for weekends off

are to allow the uric acid levels to lower. The break after three months has

nothing to do with uric acid (DR K takes a break of one month after a year) it

allows the immunivor to take a fresh start so to speak and DR K says after some

period of time the

improvements generally plateau and a restart gives the t-cell counts another

lift. According to Dr K to see significant results takes it about six months and

this was true for my son.

I will say when we reached the 15%  T-cell count, a lot of things happened.

Chronic fungals infections on his feet that we fought for 5 years just

disappeared. Language exploded as did energy levels, apetite, acedemics,

interaction and of all things humor. He now works at  making us laugh as well as

his class mates to the teachers disappointment. He also seeks out friends

actively. A lot of things contributed to these improvements. We fine tuned diet,

added and removed SSRI's and recently added Wellbutrin which is not an SSRI but

has seemed to improve focus. It may not be all the Immunivor but I believe it

has had the greatest and longest lasting effect. Possibly because his body is

less dependent on the antiviral drugs and more self substaning fighting the

retrovirus. Dr K has used it for many years with her CFS patients and feels

there is little danger as long as you let the uric acid levels reduce very

regularly.

Let me make it clear that this my interpratation that I have developed after

many conversations and internet research. Not necessarily an accurate quote or

attribution to either Dr K or DR G!

Bill Klimas

From: meljackmom <meljackmom@...>

Subject: Re: Immunovir

Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:37 AM

 

My son has been on it since June. In general, he is more

energetic and just acts " healthier " . He has always had chronic sinus problems

and post nasal drip, and since Immunovir his sinus is clearer. His lab work is

better too. It took me a good 2 months on it to realize the difference. And I

really did not notice anything during the 2 weeks off.

> > >

> > >

> > > We're supposed to take two weeks off?

> > >

> > > Kristy

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > [mailto: <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>] On Behalf Of

> > > and Daron Freedberg

> > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:51 AM

> > > groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > Subject: Immunovir and blood work after the 2 week vacation

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > For those of you whose children are taking Immunovir, how has their

> > > blood work looked after the 2 week vacation? Did

> > > their numbers stay consistent or did they get worse? Did you return to

> > > the Immunovir after the 2 weeks off?

> > >

> > > Thanks for the info,

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I hate to jump in - could you explain the reasoning behind the elevated uric

acid levels?

Thanks!

________________________________

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:29:45 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Immunovir and breaks

 

Guys

My son Connor has been on Immunivor for over a year. It is not an antiviral but

an immune modulator. How I understand it from both DR K and Dr G is as follows:

Immunivor stabilizes the T cell counts towards normal. If the patient has low T

cell counts it raises them. If they have high T cell counts it lowers them. It

does take time. My son had a count by immune panels of under 3.75% with normal

being about 18%. That was Aug of 2008. We started it in October. By January it

was up to 5.5% and as of last August it was up to 15+%. Over that time we gave

the med to him cyclically. Weekdays full dose. Weekends off. Every other week

half dosage and weekends off. This is because the immunivor raises the uric acid

levels in his blood. Most of you are having uric acid levels tested and are

seeing slightly elevated levels due to the immune. The reason for weekends off

are to allow the uric acid levels to lower. The break after three months has

nothing to do with uric acid (DR K takes a break of one month after a year) it

allows the immunivor to take a fresh start so to speak and DR K says after some

period of time the

improvements generally plateau and a restart gives the t-cell counts another

lift. According to Dr K to see significant results takes it about six months and

this was true for my son.

I will say when we reached the 15%  T-cell count, a lot of things happened.

Chronic fungals infections on his feet that we fought for 5 years just

disappeared. Language exploded as did energy levels, apetite, acedemics,

interaction and of all things humor. He now works at  making us laugh as well as

his class mates to the teachers disappointment. He also seeks out friends

actively. A lot of things contributed to these improvements. We fine tuned diet,

added and removed SSRI's and recently added Wellbutrin which is not an SSRI but

has seemed to improve focus. It may not be all the Immunivor but I believe it

has had the greatest and longest lasting effect. Possibly because his body is

less dependent on the antiviral drugs and more self substaning fighting the

retrovirus. Dr K has used it for many years with her CFS patients and feels

there is little danger as long as you let the uric acid levels reduce very

regularly.

Let me make it clear that this my interpratation that I have developed after

many conversations and internet research. Not necessarily an accurate quote or

attribution to either Dr K or DR G!

Bill Klimas

From: meljackmom <meljackmom (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Immunovir

groups (DOT) com

Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:37 AM

 

My son has been on it since June. In general, he is more energetic and just acts

" healthier " . He has always had chronic sinus problems and post nasal drip, and

since Immunovir his sinus is clearer. His lab work is better too. It took me a

good 2 months on it to realize the difference. And I really did not notice

anything during the 2 weeks off.

> > >

> > >

> > > We're supposed to take two weeks off?

> > >

> > > Kristy

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > [mailto: <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>] On Behalf Of

> > > and Daron Freedberg

> > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:51 AM

> > > groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > Subject: Immunovir and blood work after the 2 week vacation

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > For those of you whose children are taking Immunovir, how has their

> > > blood work looked after the 2 week vacation? Did

> > > their numbers stay consistent or did they get worse? Did you return to

> > > the Immunovir after the 2 weeks off?

> > >

> > > Thanks for the info,

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm encouraged by what I'm hearing about immunovir.  My son doesn't have

language YET, so I'm hoping this will be the extra " push " he needs. :-)

From: meljackmom <meljackmom (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Immunovir

groups (DOT) com

Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:37 AM

 

My son has been on it since June. In general, he is more energetic and just acts

" healthier " . He has always had chronic sinus problems and post nasal drip, and

since Immunovir his sinus is clearer. His lab work is better too. It took me a

good 2 months on it to realize the difference. And I really did not notice

anything during the 2 weeks off.

> > >

> > >

> > > We're supposed to take two weeks off?

> > >

> > > Kristy

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > [mailto: <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>] On Behalf Of

> > > and Daron Freedberg

> > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:51 AM

> > > groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > Subject: Immunovir and blood work after the 2 week vacation

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > For those of you whose children are taking Immunovir, how has their

> > > blood work looked after the 2 week vacation? Did

> > > their numbers stay consistent or did they get worse? Did you return to

> > > the Immunovir after the 2 weeks off?

> > >

> > > Thanks for the info,

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

As the inosine component of Imunovir is metabolized to uric acid, it should

be used with caution in patients with renal impairment, a history of gout or

hyperuricaemia

http://www.epgonline.org/viewdrug.cfm/letter/i/language/lg0001/drugId/DR0006

12/drugName/IMUNOVIR

In ASD children you don't have to worry too much about the uric acid,

because it is low in many children with autism. Uric Acid just like

Glutathione are strong antioxidants which helps detoxify the body.

Of course, you need to perform regular lab tests to make sure you child is

healthy and test for uric acid levels as well, just in case.. We test for

uric acid levels every 6 weeks just to be safe, everybody should do the same

with their children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uric_acid

Both uric acid and ascorbic acid are strong reducing

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_agent> agents (electron donors

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_donor> ) and potent antioxidants

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioxidant> . In humans, over half the

antioxidant capacity of blood <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_plasma>

plasma comes from uric acid.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uric_acid#cite_note-9> [

Regards,

JR

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Immunovir and breaks

I hate to jump in - could you explain the reasoning behind the elevated uric

acid levels?

Thanks!

________________________________

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@... <mailto:klimas_bill%40> >

<mailto:%40>

Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 10:29:45 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Immunovir and breaks

Guys

My son Connor has been on Immunivor for over a year. It is not an antiviral

but an immune modulator. How I understand it from both DR K and Dr G is as

follows:

Immunivor stabilizes the T cell counts towards normal. If the patient has

low T cell counts it raises them. If they have high T cell counts it lowers

them. It does take time. My son had a count by immune panels of under 3.75%

with normal being about 18%. That was Aug of 2008. We started it in October.

By January it was up to 5.5% and as of last August it was up to 15+%. Over

that time we gave the med to him cyclically. Weekdays full dose. Weekends

off. Every other week half dosage and weekends off. This is because the

immunivor raises the uric acid levels in his blood. Most of you are having

uric acid levels tested and are seeing slightly elevated levels due to the

immune. The reason for weekends off are to allow the uric acid levels to

lower. The break after three months has nothing to do with uric acid (DR K

takes a break of one month after a year) it allows the immunivor to take a

fresh start so to speak and DR K says after some period of time the

improvements generally plateau and a restart gives the t-cell counts another

lift. According to Dr K to see significant results takes it about six months

and this was true for my son.

I will say when we reached the 15% T-cell count, a lot of things happened.

Chronic fungals infections on his feet that we fought for 5 years just

disappeared. Language exploded as did energy levels, apetite, acedemics,

interaction and of all things humor. He now works at making us laugh as

well as his class mates to the teachers disappointment. He also seeks out

friends actively. A lot of things contributed to these improvements. We fine

tuned diet, added and removed SSRI's and recently added Wellbutrin which is

not an SSRI but has seemed to improve focus. It may not be all the Immunivor

but I believe it has had the greatest and longest lasting effect. Possibly

because his body is less dependent on the antiviral drugs and more self

substaning fighting the retrovirus. Dr K has used it for many years with her

CFS patients and feels there is little danger as long as you let the uric

acid levels reduce very regularly.

Let me make it clear that this my interpratation that I have developed after

many conversations and internet research. Not necessarily an accurate quote

or attribution to either Dr K or DR G!

Bill Klimas

From: meljackmom <meljackmom (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Immunovir

groups (DOT) com

Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 7:37 AM

My son has been on it since June. In general, he is more energetic and just

acts " healthier " . He has always had chronic sinus problems and post nasal

drip, and since Immunovir his sinus is clearer. His lab work is better too.

It took me a good 2 months on it to realize the difference. And I really did

not notice anything during the 2 weeks off.

> > >

> > >

> > > We're supposed to take two weeks off?

> > >

> > > Kristy

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > [mailto: <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>] On Behalf Of

> > > and Daron Freedberg

> > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:51 AM

> > > groups (DOT) com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> > > Subject: Immunovir and blood work after the 2 week vacation

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > For those of you whose children are taking Immunovir, how has their

> > > blood work looked after the 2 week vacation? Did

> > > their numbers stay consistent or did they get worse? Did you return to

> > > the Immunovir after the 2 weeks off?

> > >

> > > Thanks for the info,

> > >

> > >

> > >