Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Hi everyone, I am trying to get all of the help I can here, I am really inexperienced at this, my girl with autism is going to be transitioned into kindergarten and she has been doing so well that they want to put her in a regular classroom with NO supports whatsoever. No special ed, no aides, nothing. The school she is going to only has a special ed autism class or a regular class, there is no in between. I have to go to her IEP on Friday and I know they won't want to cooperate or give her an aide (this is what I want). Has anyone else been through this before? I want to get an advocate of some sort. I am not sure what to do...I hate to be so demanding but I am very concerned about my daughter and I can tell her teacher was concerned about the transition, too. But I am sure she is under pressure to do whatever is cheapest for the school district. Thanks in advance for your help and advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 , Bill, Peggy, Robin and all made important suggestions. I am emailing you off list with lots of info on how to navigate the IEP. I would push for an aide. But an aide is necessary at this point. Trust your gut, you know your kid best. Think outside the box as far as services are concerned, and don't wait for the school to offer something you need to help your child. Be reasonable in your requests, remember the district has a lot of children to serve, and don't agree to things that are just not necessary. If I Knew Then What I Know Now The first mistake I made was that I did not want my child labeled. I thought I was protecting my child by not labeling him as " autistic " , but what I really was doing was hurting him. In the state where we lived, if your child is labeled " autistic " you are entitled to more services and assistance than if he had the PDD or an unspecified disorder label. With the " autism " label, you could request a shadow or an aide in the classroom or at recess. That may not happen with the PDD label. One of the most important things I learned from the Gay Pirri (who was in charge of the speech department for the district) was to put ALL requests for services in writing and distribute them before the meeting to everyone who would be present. When things are put in writing everything is documented. There are no questions or misunderstandings about what you think is " is necessary to meet your child's educational needs. " Remember that quoted phrase; it is extremely important special educational jargon that is crucial to use in order to get what your child needs. It is a signal to the IEP team that you know your rights, and could possibly take legal action if they do not provide what is requested. I know that sounds very confrontational. But these meetings weren't. To every IEP meeting I brought treats. Cookies and pop for all who attended. It made the atmosphere lighter and more cooperative. Educators are hungry after a long day at school. Most educators are expected to plan wonderful programs for hundreds of kids, fill out piles of paperwork, and in between, actually work with your child. Once again we did things a little differently. I acted as 's caseworker and planned his program. It would have been impossible for them to be as thorough as I could be when I had only one child's program to plan. Although I wanted someone to do all of this for me, I learned a long time ago that I was the one who was ultimately responsible for helping get better. My next mistake was to thinking that all the teachers and IEP team members had to understand the medical treatment and the behavioral interventions we were using. These well-meaning people had no idea that " autism " is a medical disease and these kids could get better. Usually, they would get that glazed look in their eyes our kids do when they check out. My saying it didn't make them believe it. To them, I was just another delusional mom who couldn't deal with my child's diagnosis. However, as my child got better, their opinion seemed to change. In time, they did realize that my kid was different than all the other children they have worked with in the past. Some even asked about the medical treatments so they could help the other children they worked with. Hope this helps, Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Excellent advice, Marcia. Putting everything in writing is very important. www.wrightslaw.com has sample letters for a lot of requests, including evaluations, testing, services, etc. We've been very fortunate to work with teachers, educators, and therapists who value our input as parents. Like everyone, they like to hear when something they're doing with your child is working. Regarding the aide issue, it's critical to have the aide for your daughter's success, but make sure the IEP team knows that your ultimate goal is to make her independent in the classroom and the aide is a way to further that goal. I know some parents that get very upset if their child's aide leaves the child's side for a second. In some cases, it's understandable. The child's behavior (maybe she eats glue or he tries to cut himself with scissors) may be dangerous to himself or others and he needs constant supervision. If that's not the case with your daughter, let the aide know that your comfortable having her stand back and let your daughter navigate her environment. If she gets off track, the aide can step back in. Aides can also facilitate social interaction. Our best aide ever enlisted the other students in Noah's classroom as peer mentors. They would prompt him to answer questions, line up, clean up, etc. He would respond faster to other kids than to adults. Most of the kids loved the feeling that they were helping him. Good luck, Robyn ________________________________ From: and Marcia Hinds <hindssite@...> jlhank80@...; Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 7:25:48 AM Subject: Re:Help with IEP and school services... , Bill, Peggy, Robin and all made important suggestions. I am emailing you off list with lots of info on how to navigate the IEP. I would push for an aide. But an aide is necessary at this point. Trust your gut, you know your kid best. Think outside the box as far as services are concerned, and don't wait for the school to offer something you need to help your child. Be reasonable in your requests, remember the district has a lot of children to serve, and don't agree to things that are just not necessary. If I Knew Then What I Know Now The first mistake I made was that I did not want my child labeled. I thought I was protecting my child by not labeling him as " autistic " , but what I really was doing was hurting him. In the state where we lived, if your child is labeled " autistic " you are entitled to more services and assistance than if he had the PDD or an unspecified disorder label. With the " autism " label, you could request a shadow or an aide in the classroom or at recess. That may not happen with the PDD label. One of the most important things I learned from the Gay Pirri (who was in charge of the speech department for the district) was to put ALL requests for services in writing and distribute them before the meeting to everyone who would be present. When things are put in writing everything is documented. There are no questions or misunderstandings about what you think is " is necessary to meet your child's educational needs. " Remember that quoted phrase; it is extremely important special educational jargon that is crucial to use in order to get what your child needs. It is a signal to the IEP team that you know your rights, and could possibly take legal action if they do not provide what is requested. I know that sounds very confrontational. But these meetings weren't. To every IEP meeting I brought treats. Cookies and pop for all who attended. It made the atmosphere lighter and more cooperative. Educators are hungry after a long day at school. Most educators are expected to plan wonderful programs for hundreds of kids, fill out piles of paperwork, and in between, actually work with your child. Once again we did things a little differently. I acted as 's caseworker and planned his program. It would have been impossible for them to be as thorough as I could be when I had only one child's program to plan. Although I wanted someone to do all of this for me, I learned a long time ago that I was the one who was ultimately responsible for helping get better. My next mistake was to thinking that all the teachers and IEP team members had to understand the medical treatment and the behavioral interventions we were using. These well-meaning people had no idea that " autism " is a medical disease and these kids could get better. Usually, they would get that glazed look in their eyes our kids do when they check out. My saying it didn't make them believe it. To them, I was just another delusional mom who couldn't deal with my child's diagnosis. However, as my child got better, their opinion seemed to change. In time, they did realize that my kid was different than all the other children they have worked with in the past. Some even asked about the medical treatments so they could help the other children they worked with. Hope this helps, Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Thanks so much Marcia...you are awesome! Robyn, I like your idea about telling them that my goal is to make my daughter independent. My daughter has her teacher that she has had for 2 years in her IEP team, they are very aware of my daughter's strengths and weaknesses. It will be my wishes against their " guesses " of what my daughter needs next year. I live in a bad state for kids with autism. I have heard its one of the worst and from what I hear so far its true But I have been very blessed with teachers that really know my girl and have watched her come out of her " autism coma " right before their eyes. But she still has her problems and maybe it will take some time. Or some more medical help. Oy! This is a marathon!!! Just when I think I am over the mountain another one is before me! - > > Excellent advice, Marcia. Putting everything in writing is very important. www.wrightslaw.com has sample letters for a lot of requests, including evaluations, testing, services, etc. We've been very fortunate to work with teachers, educators, and therapists who value our input as parents. Like everyone, they like to hear when something they're doing with your child is working. Regarding the aide issue, it's critical to have the aide for your daughter's success, but make sure the IEP team knows that your ultimate goal is to make her independent in the classroom and the aide is a way to further that goal. I know some parents that get very upset if their child's aide leaves the child's side for a second. In some cases, it's understandable. The child's behavior (maybe she eats glue or he tries to cut himself with scissors) may be dangerous to himself or others and he needs constant supervision. If that's not the case with your daughter, let the aide know > that your comfortable having her stand back and let your daughter navigate her environment. If she gets off track, the aide can step back in. Aides can also facilitate social interaction. Our best aide ever enlisted the other students in Noah's classroom as peer mentors. They would prompt him to answer questions, line up, clean up, etc. He would respond faster to other kids than to adults. Most of the kids loved the feeling that they were helping him. > > Good luck, > > Robyn > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: and Marcia Hinds <hindssite@...> > jlhank80@...; > Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 7:25:48 AM > Subject: Re:Help with IEP and school services... > > > , > > Bill, Peggy, Robin and all made important suggestions. I am emailing > you off list with lots of info on how to navigate the IEP. I would push for > an aide. But an aide is necessary at this point. Trust your gut, you know > your kid best. Think outside the box as far as services are concerned, and > don't wait for the school to offer something you need to help your child. > Be reasonable in your requests, remember the district has a lot of children > to serve, and don't agree to things that are just not necessary. > > If I Knew Then What I Know Now > > The first mistake I made was that I did not want my child labeled. I > thought I was protecting my child by not labeling him as " autistic " , but > what I really was doing was hurting him. In the state where we lived, if > your child is labeled " autistic " you are entitled to more services and > assistance than if he had the PDD or an unspecified disorder label. With > the " autism " label, you could request a shadow or an aide in the classroom > or at recess. That may not happen with the PDD label. > > One of the most important things I learned from the Gay Pirri (who was in > charge of the speech department for the district) was to put ALL requests > for services in writing and distribute them before the meeting to everyone > who would be present. When things are put in writing everything is > documented. There are no questions or misunderstandings about what you > think is " is necessary to meet your child's educational needs. " Remember > that quoted phrase; it is extremely important special educational jargon > that is crucial to use in order to get what your child needs. It is a > signal to the IEP team that you know your rights, and could possibly take > legal action if they do not provide what is requested. > > I know that sounds very confrontational. But these meetings weren't. To > every IEP meeting I brought treats. Cookies and pop for all who attended. > It made the atmosphere lighter and more cooperative. Educators are hungry > after a long day at school. Most educators are expected to plan wonderful > programs for hundreds of kids, fill out piles of paperwork, and in between, > actually work with your child. Once again we did things a little > differently. I acted as 's caseworker and planned his program. It > would have been impossible for them to be as thorough as I could be when I > had only one child's program to plan. Although I wanted someone to do all > of this for me, I learned a long time ago that I was the one who was > ultimately responsible for helping get better. > > My next mistake was to thinking that all the teachers and IEP team members > had to understand the medical treatment and the behavioral > interventions we were using. These well-meaning people had no idea that > " autism " is a medical disease and these kids could get better. Usually, > they would get that glazed look in their eyes our kids do when they check > out. My saying it didn't make them believe it. To them, I was just another > delusional mom who couldn't deal with my child's diagnosis. However, as my > child got better, their opinion seemed to change. In time, they did realize > that my kid was different than all the other children they have worked with > in the past. Some even asked about the medical treatments so they could > help the other children they worked with. > > Hope this helps, > > Marcia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 The first mountain is the biggest and steepest one. I sounds like you scaled that one pretty successfully. Good Luck Bill From: <jlhank80@...> Subject: Re:Help with IEP and school services... Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 12:51 PM Â Thanks so much Marcia...you are awesome! Robyn, I like your idea about telling them that my goal is to make my daughter independent. My daughter has her teacher that she has had for 2 years in her IEP team, they are very aware of my daughter's strengths and weaknesses. It will be my wishes against their " guesses " of what my daughter needs next year. I live in a bad state for kids with autism. I have heard its one of the worst and from what I hear so far its true But I have been very blessed with teachers that really know my girl and have watched her come out of her " autism coma " right before their eyes. But she still has her problems and maybe it will take some time. Or some more medical help. Oy! This is a marathon!!! Just when I think I am over the mountain another one is before me! - > > Excellent advice, Marcia. Putting everything in writing is very important. www.wrightslaw. com has sample letters for a lot of requests, including evaluations, testing, services, etc. We've been very fortunate to work with teachers, educators, and therapists who value our input as parents. Like everyone, they like to hear when something they're doing with your child is working. Regarding the aide issue, it's critical to have the aide for your daughter's success, but make sure the IEP team knows that your ultimate goal is to make her independent in the classroom and the aide is a way to further that goal. I know some parents that get very upset if their child's aide leaves the child's side for a second. In some cases, it's understandable. The child's behavior (maybe she eats glue or he tries to cut himself with scissors) may be dangerous to himself or others and he needs constant supervision. If that's not the case with your daughter, let the aide know > that your comfortable having her stand back and let your daughter navigate her environment. If she gets off track, the aide can step back in. Aides can also facilitate social interaction. Our best aide ever enlisted the other students in Noah's classroom as peer mentors. They would prompt him to answer questions, line up, clean up, etc. He would respond faster to other kids than to adults. Most of the kids loved the feeling that they were helping him. > > Good luck, > > Robyn > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: and Marcia Hinds <hindssite@. ..> > jlhank80@... ; groups (DOT) com > Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 7:25:48 AM > Subject: Re:Help with IEP and school services... > > > , > > Bill, Peggy, Robin and all made important suggestions. I am emailing > you off list with lots of info on how to navigate the IEP. I would push for > an aide. But an aide is necessary at this point. Trust your gut, you know > your kid best. Think outside the box as far as services are concerned, and > don't wait for the school to offer something you need to help your child. > Be reasonable in your requests, remember the district has a lot of children > to serve, and don't agree to things that are just not necessary. > > If I Knew Then What I Know Now > > The first mistake I made was that I did not want my child labeled. I > thought I was protecting my child by not labeling him as " autistic " , but > what I really was doing was hurting him. In the state where we lived, if > your child is labeled " autistic " you are entitled to more services and > assistance than if he had the PDD or an unspecified disorder label. With > the " autism " label, you could request a shadow or an aide in the classroom > or at recess. That may not happen with the PDD label. > > One of the most important things I learned from the Gay Pirri (who was in > charge of the speech department for the district) was to put ALL requests > for services in writing and distribute them before the meeting to everyone > who would be present. When things are put in writing everything is > documented. There are no questions or misunderstandings about what you > think is " is necessary to meet your child's educational needs. " Remember > that quoted phrase; it is extremely important special educational jargon > that is crucial to use in order to get what your child needs. It is a > signal to the IEP team that you know your rights, and could possibly take > legal action if they do not provide what is requested. > > I know that sounds very confrontational. But these meetings weren't. To > every IEP meeting I brought treats. Cookies and pop for all who attended. > It made the atmosphere lighter and more cooperative. Educators are hungry > after a long day at school. Most educators are expected to plan wonderful > programs for hundreds of kids, fill out piles of paperwork, and in between, > actually work with your child. Once again we did things a little > differently. I acted as 's caseworker and planned his program. It > would have been impossible for them to be as thorough as I could be when I > had only one child's program to plan. Although I wanted someone to do all > of this for me, I learned a long time ago that I was the one who was > ultimately responsible for helping get better. > > My next mistake was to thinking that all the teachers and IEP team members > had to understand the medical treatment and the behavioral > interventions we were using. These well-meaning people had no idea that > " autism " is a medical disease and these kids could get better. Usually, > they would get that glazed look in their eyes our kids do when they check > out. My saying it didn't make them believe it. To them, I was just another > delusional mom who couldn't deal with my child's diagnosis. However, as my > child got better, their opinion seemed to change. In time, they did realize > that my kid was different than all the other children they have worked with > in the past. Some even asked about the medical treatments so they could > help the other children they worked with. > > Hope this helps, > > Marcia > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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