Guest guest Posted June 21, 2001 Report Share Posted June 21, 2001 , (15 yo) doesn't have a bedwetting problem, but has some urinary incontinence during the day (not enough to be an obvious problem). We have been curious about this as it seemed to start when OCD hit. Our family doc thinks it is anxiety related and didn't explore a physiological reason. When I take back to the endocrinologist, I plan on asking again about the situation. I have a concern that sometimes many of 's health issues (low weight, low body fat, no growth in stature in a year, etc.) are automatically attributed to OCD so more investigation is nixed from the start. I fear that a very real health issue will be overlooked because his OCD takes center stage. I may be beating a dead horse, but that is my gut instinct. That is why we are heading back to the endocrinologist after a year's data of no growth to ask for further investigation. Thankfully, no one has attributed the kidney stone he passed last week to OCD ;-). Melinda S. Dallas > Hi all! > > A question for you all. How many of your kids have bedwetting > problems? is almost 12 and is hardly ever dry. She is > currently seeing a pediatric urologist who is trying her on some > medication, but it doesn't seem to be working. She has been on the > meds since Oct. with only a little success. She went from 5 nights a > month dry to 18-20 nights a month dry UNTIL we started therapy again > in April. The months of May and June have been almost continuously > wet nights. There has to be a connection there somewhere. I know > bedwetting is on the list of symptoms for bipolar disorder, but how > about OCD? > > Thanks! > in PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 My son, 6 yrs old, also still has bed wetting problems at night. Although my pediatrician has suggested that we start addressing the problem by buying an incontinence alarm, the psychiatrist thinks it is too big of an issue to start working on yet! What I take that to mean is that he needs more therapy and a longer time with meds on board. I never thought about the connection between OCD and bedwetting before. I am srry to hear other kids on this list have problems with it too...but again its nice to know we arent alone. Amy in ohio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 I have read that bed wetting is a neurological " soft sign " that all is not " typical " in a person's brain. Though I haven't run across anything linking bedwetting and OCD specifically, I do know it is sometimes seen in other brain disorders. There is a nose spray in addition to the alarm that has worked for some. Also, someone on the list awhile back posted their success in waking their child at a certain point in the night to use the bathroom. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: " Amy Gusbar " <agusbar@...> > My son, 6 yrs old, also still has bed wetting problems at night. Although my > pediatrician has suggested that we start addressing the problem by buying an > incontinence alarm, the psychiatrist thinks it is too big of an issue to > start working on yet! What I take that to mean is that he needs more therapy > and a longer time with meds on board. I never thought about the connection > between OCD and bedwetting before. I am srry to hear other kids on this list > have problems with it too...but again its nice to know we arent alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Amy: My son (9 yo) has bed wetting problems too. When he was on Luvox and Risperdal he wet the bed every night, or close to it. When the Luvox pooped out and we changed meds he no longer had a wet bet. Now all of the sudden, just this week, he's wetting the bed again. I don't know what to think. He's been on the same meds for several months. Sometimes I wonder if they're sleeping so hard they don't know to wake up. But then again, it seems like he loses control of his bladder for no reason other than the meds. or the combination of them. It was recommended from our pdoc to use one of those alarms, but he sleeps so hard he wouldn't wake up (plus, if I remember right they are expensive). Well, this is what I know from my experience, but since we're in "it" again I'd like to now of any suggestions, too. Take care Tamra (ocdmom2001) Re: Bed wetting My son, 6 yrs old, also still has bed wetting problems at night. Although my pediatrician has suggested that we start addressing the problem by buying an incontinence alarm, the psychiatrist thinks it is too big of an issue to start working on yet! What I take that to mean is that he needs more therapy and a longer time with meds on board. I never thought about the connection between OCD and bedwetting before. I am srry to hear other kids on this list have problems with it too...but again its nice to know we arent alone.Amy in ohio_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.comYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. You may subscribe to the Parents of Adults with OCD List at parentsofadultswithOCD-subscribe . You may subscribe to the OCD and Homeschooling List at ocdandhomeschooling-subscribe . You may change your subscription format or access the files, bookmarks, and archives for our list at . Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Kathy Hammes, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at lharkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Sharon, Thanks for the response to the bed-wetting info. I want to make sure I explained it right--as it was explained to me. The night-time bed-wetting seems somehow linked with OCD but not necessarily caused by it. I am learning so much on this site! I didn't realize how isolated I was feeling--and how much I needed to hear others' experiences and perspectives. My daughter, Maia, is a wonderful person, and from what I can gather, fortunate to have only moderate OCD and mild Tourette's at this point in her life. It began to bother her about a year and a half ago(she told us she had been silentily counting things and needing to balance things for a few years prior to that, even). I had seen symptoms before that, but was waiting to see what direction things went. I don't know exactly what I was waiting for. Anxiety disorders run in both mine and my husband's family--I should have jumped on some support much earlier. And now as I watch Maia hitting pre-puberty (yes, at 9!ok--almost 10), she is becoming more self-conscious daily. On top of that, we moved from Austin to Lubbock (Texas) last August--and even though she weathered the move remarkably well, the self-imposed pressure to fit in as normal is exacting an enormous amount of energy from her, I can tell. In Austin, she had known her friends for years and felt comfortable telling them about OCD. Now she is missing that, I know. I want to find a support system for her here. I'm asking around, but due to financial limitations, I've been slow to follow through. We did find a good psychiatrist, but I know my daughter needs more than that. I'm hoping to begin ERT in the near future--if I can find a trained therapist nearby. If not, it will have to wait until summer. Do you, or does anyone, have any suggestions about resources in Lubbock or Dallas? I have family and Dallas, and could perhaps stay there over the summer. I'm teaching now, so I don't have the luxury of traveling for treatment. Again, I am so glad to have found all of you. Roth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Sharon, Thanks for the response to the bed-wetting info. I want to make sure I explained it right--as it was explained to me. The night-time bed-wetting seems somehow linked with OCD but not necessarily caused by it. I am learning so much on this site! I didn't realize how isolated I was feeling--and how much I needed to hear others' experiences and perspectives. My daughter, Maia, is a wonderful person, and from what I can gather, fortunate to have only moderate OCD and mild Tourette's at this point in her life. It began to bother her about a year and a half ago(she told us she had been silentily counting things and needing to balance things for a few years prior to that, even). I had seen symptoms before that, but was waiting to see what direction things went. I don't know exactly what I was waiting for. Anxiety disorders run in both mine and my husband's family--I should have jumped on some support much earlier. And now as I watch Maia hitting pre-puberty (yes, at 9!ok--almost 10), she is becoming more self-conscious daily. On top of that, we moved from Austin to Lubbock (Texas) last August--and even though she weathered the move remarkably well, the self-imposed pressure to fit in as normal is exacting an enormous amount of energy from her, I can tell. In Austin, she had known her friends for years and felt comfortable telling them about OCD. Now she is missing that, I know. I want to find a support system for her here. I'm asking around, but due to financial limitations, I've been slow to follow through. We did find a good psychiatrist, but I know my daughter needs more than that. I'm hoping to begin ERT in the near future--if I can find a trained therapist nearby. If not, it will have to wait until summer. Do you, or does anyone, have any suggestions about resources in Lubbock or Dallas? I have family and Dallas, and could perhaps stay there over the summer. I'm teaching now, so I don't have the luxury of traveling for treatment. Again, I am so glad to have found all of you. Roth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2002 Report Share Posted March 12, 2002 Andy, in a recent post you wrote: >>Enuresis, the fancy doctor word for bed wetting, is a well known sign of ethylmercury intoxication and is discussed in the mainstream medical literature, e. g. by Zhang. Andy << It caught my interest because my nearly 10 year old autistic son still wets the bed, although he has been potty trained since the age of 4. Since my son was exposed to unsafe levels of mercury and has high levels of toxic metals, I asked our medical department to look into the " mainstream medical literature " you reference to try to find more information on this. They did a Medline search and found no links between enuresis, mercury or ethylmercury. They found one link with Zhang and enuresis, abstract below, but no reference to mercury. Could you give us a little more information, so we can search again? Thanks very much, M. Bothwell Waters & Kraus, LLP 200 Oceangate, Suite 520 Long Beach, California 90802 Tel: (562) 436-8833 Fax: (562) 590-7296 : Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi 1990 May;10(5):278-9, 260 Related Articles, (Embedded image moved to file: pic00041.gif)Books, LinkOut [Preliminary study of traditional Chinese medicine treatment of minimal brain dysfunction: analysis of 100 cases] [Article in Chinese] Zhang H, Huang J. Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou College of TCM. This paper reports the clinical treatment of 100 patients with minimal brain dysfunction (MBD), their age ranged from 7-14.2 years, and the average age was 10.5. Patients were divided into TCM and WM group randomly. The TCM group (80 cases) were treated with the therapy of subdueing hyperactivity of the Liver and invigorating the function of the Spleen by using: Bupleurum chinense, Scutellaria baicalensis, Astragalus membranaceus, Codonopsis pilosula, Ligustrum lucidum, Lophatherum gracile and thread of ivory. The WM group (20 cases) were treated with retalin 5-15 mg twice daily. One course of treatment lasted one month, and effects were evaluated after 1-3 courses of treatment. The results were as follows: In the TCM group, 23 cases were cured (clinical symptom and sign disappeared, 10 IQ units were raised in their intelligence, abnormal electroencephalogram was recovered and there was no recurrence during the first six months after recovery). 46 cases were improved (clinical symptom and sign markedly improved, 4 IQ units raised in intelligence and electroencephalogram improved), and 11 cases ineffective. The effective rate was 86.25%. In the WM group, 6 cases were cured, 12 cases improved and 2 cases ineffective, the clinical effective rate being 90.0%. There was no significant difference between the two groups in this study, but, the side-effects of the TCM group was less than the WM group, and the TCM group had more beneficial effects to improve intelligence, enuresis and the black of orbits. The study showed that the Verbal Scale in Wechsler Intelligence Scale for children is one of the indications of diagnosis and evaluating of the curative effect of MBD. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 2397543 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 For my son (and for the son of a friend of mine) bed wetting is always a sign of yeast or other bacteria out of balance in the gut. When the yeast is under control, we always have dry nights. - Becky B. (Indiana) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 , I suppose it's possible, but I don't know that I will ever find out. Grace On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:35:08 -0500 " Mike Mchugh " <mcpitza@...> writes: > Grace, > Is it possible she had a petite mal seizure? My so wets himself when > he has these. > > M > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Lori~ If I remember correctly, bed wetting can be helped by doing C3/A1 rewarding beta, inhibiting theta ~ bed wetting Pete,I've done an assessment on my 6-year old son who sleeps very deep anddoesn't wake when he needs to go to the bathroom. He also has troublefalling asleep at bedtime. He has a front back reversal and lots of thetaall over in front. I remember from the workshop that you said thatbedwetting usually means needing to bring beta up. Would that be increasingbeta in front? What do you suggest training?Lori Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 If I also remember Pete correctly, bed wetting is caused by failing to enter REM stage sleep due to lack of beta - so C3/A1 beta reward should help. -----Original Message-----From: Duncan [mailto:karenduncan@...]Sent: 18 March 2004 17:47 Subject: Re: bed wetting Lori~ If I remember correctly, bed wetting can be helped by doing C3/A1 rewarding beta, inhibiting theta ~ bed wetting Pete,I've done an assessment on my 6-year old son who sleeps very deep anddoesn't wake when he needs to go to the bathroom. He also has troublefalling asleep at bedtime. He has a front back reversal and lots of thetaall over in front. I remember from the workshop that you said thatbedwetting usually means needing to bring beta up. Would that be increasingbeta in front? What do you suggest training?Lori Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2004 Report Share Posted March 18, 2004 Thank you so much for the responses. I will try that. -----Original Message-----From: Duncan [mailto:karenduncan@...]Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:47 AM Subject: Re: bed wetting Lori~ If I remember correctly, bed wetting can be helped by doing C3/A1 rewarding beta, inhibiting theta ~ bed wetting Pete,I've done an assessment on my 6-year old son who sleeps very deep anddoesn't wake when he needs to go to the bathroom. He also has troublefalling asleep at bedtime. He has a front back reversal and lots of thetaall over in front. I remember from the workshop that you said thatbedwetting usually means needing to bring beta up. Would that be increasingbeta in front? What do you suggest training?Lori Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 > Hi, my 8 year old has been bedwetting excessively lately.. Yeast die off can do this. We put a > night time pullup on her but she has been wetting thru this..We are > chelating every 3 hrs How many days on and off? >> and have her on houston enzymes..Also we use > GSE normally with a no-fenol at night and in the morning.. This can be causing the yeast die off. We also > have her on Clondine at night to help with sleep..She also gets > mg,calcium, zinc, vit b12 and b6, molybedum, selenium, vit c all > same dosegs 3x per day. Too much B12 will cause one of my kids to drink excessive amounts of water [among other problems]. I would recommend you add folic acid, it can help with B12 problems. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Hi Yeast I was thinking yeast die off but its been going on for a few weeks now...Is this normal or should I try something else.. I have been chelating every friday afternoon thru monday am.. Is b12 something I should take out of her daily supplements or just try adding the folic acid..?? and how much Folic acid would be adequate??? Otherwise she is doing 100% better than in the winter..there is no comparison..I really feel the Chelation is helping..maybe I am doing it to much?? Any advise would be greatly appreciated.. wrote: > > > Hi, my 8 year old has been bedwetting excessively lately.. > > > Yeast die off can do this. > > > We put a > > night time pullup on her but she has been wetting thru this..We are > > chelating every 3 hrs > > > How many days on and off? > > > >> and have her on houston enzymes..Also we use > > GSE normally with a no-fenol at night and in the morning.. > > > This can be causing the yeast die off. > > > We also > > have her on Clondine at night to help with sleep..She also gets > > mg,calcium, zinc, vit b12 and b6, molybedum, selenium, vit c all > > same dosegs 3x per day. > > > Too much B12 will cause one of my kids to drink excessive amounts of > water [among other problems]. I would recommend you add folic acid, > it can help with B12 problems. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Hi, This happened to my son after he had been dry for about 6 mo. I used Hyland's homeopathic remedy for bedwetting. I used the whole portion of medication in the directed dosage. I think it was 3 days' worth. Anyway, it completely worked, and we have not had a problem since. Got it at the health food store. e > > > Hi, my 8 year old has been bedwetting excessively lately.. > > > > > > Yeast die off can do this. > > > > > > We put a > > > night time pullup on her but she has been wetting thru this..We > are > > > chelating every 3 hrs > > > > > > How many days on and off? > > > > > > >> and have her on houston enzymes..Also we use > > > GSE normally with a no-fenol at night and in the morning.. > > > > > > This can be causing the yeast die off. > > > > > > We also > > > have her on Clondine at night to help with sleep..She also gets > > > mg,calcium, zinc, vit b12 and b6, molybedum, selenium, vit c all > > > same dosegs 3x per day. > > > > > > Too much B12 will cause one of my kids to drink excessive amounts > of > > water [among other problems]. I would recommend you add folic > acid, > > it can help with B12 problems. > > > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 > Hi Yeast I was thinking yeast die off but its been going on for a > few weeks now...Is this normal or should I try something else.. It can be yeast die-off that is going on that long. Depends on a few factors. > Is b12 something I should take out of her daily supplements or just > try adding the folic acid..?? and how much Folic acid would be > adequate??? If you noticed improvement when you added the B12, then I would recommend you reduce the dose and add folic acid. For my kids, they need 800 mcg folic acid per every 125 mcg B12 [these are oral doses]. > Otherwise she is doing 100% better than in the winter..there is no > comparison..I really feel the Chelation is helping..maybe I am doing > it to much?? If you chelate every weekend, you might find more stability if you skipped a weekend. My son did okay with every weekend, but occasionally the yeast got out of control and I skipped a weekend and increased the GSE. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 How long have you been on enzymes? This can cause bedwetting in some instances. Kim Hi, my 8 year old has been bedwetting excessively lately..We put a night time pullup on her but she has been wetting thru this..We are chelating every 3 hrs and have her on houston enzymes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 In a message dated 18/12/2005 23:58:42 GMT Standard Time, eeejay174@... writes: my eldest wet the bed, - he hasnt wet the bed in years and years - is this something to be worried about? >>>Sam wets when he is having yeast flare, common with ALA Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 > my eldest wet the bed, - he hasnt wet the bed in years and years - > is this something to be worried about? Yeast overgrowth and/or die off can cause this. Try increasing your yeast protocol, see if that helps. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 look for changes Mom, changes in environment, teachers, aides, new students, new discipline, etc. Look at everything. Make sure there is no abuse going on. Candis Autism Research Survey online at: http://www.inclusioncommunitytrainingcenter.org Candis Firchau,MA,TLPC Director Inclusion Community Training Center Advocacy, Behavioral Interventions, Counseling and Training 979.826.8568 This email is intended exclusively for the person to whom it was addressed. This email is confidential. If you have received this email by error, please disregard it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 or new mattress/bedding. The flame retardant (antimony) often makes kids sleep so soundly they don't realize they need to get up and go to the bathroom... S S <tt> look for changes Mom, changes in environment, teachers, aides, new students, new discipline, etc. Look at everything. Make sure there is no abuse going on.<BR>   <BR>  Candis<BR> <BR> <BR>  Autism Research Survey online at: <a href= " http://www.inclusioncommunitytrainingcenter.org " >http://www.inclusioncommu\ nitytrainingcenter.org</a> <BR>   <BR>  Candis Firchau,MA,TLPC <BR> Director <BR>  Inclusion Community Training Center <BR>  Advocacy, Behavioral Interventions, Counseling <BR> and Training <BR>  <BR> 979.826.8568 <BR> <BR> This email is intended exclusively for the person to whom it was addressed. This email is confidential. If you have received this email by error, please disregard it.<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dana~ Bedwetting is usually a processing issue, too many slow waves frontally. ~ Bed wetting > Many of us work with ADD/ADHD kids. Some have problems with wetting. > Are any of you having success stopping the wetting? What do you do? > > Any and all insight appreciated. > > Dana > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Thank you , Actually without putting it together like that, that is just what I did the other day. I switched to frontal protcols to inhibit the slow activity. Perhaps I am a bit ADD myself. I know the answer in some cases, I just am not sure how I got there! I appreciate the response. Any other insights? Dana Bed wetting> Many of us work with ADD/ADHD kids. Some have problems with wetting. > Are any of you having success stopping the wetting? What do you do?> > Any and all insight appreciated.> > Dana> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dana, The Othmers reported a great deal of success with enuresis when they were with EEG spectrum. There were some articles about that on the site at that time. I have not visited the Spectrum site for a long time, they may not still be there. My best results with enuresis have come from hypnosis. On Feb 11, 2006, at 5:51 AM, Dana Rutschilling, MSW, LISW wrote: > Many of us work with ADD/ADHD kids. Some have problems with wetting. > Are any of you having success stopping the wetting? What do you do? > > Any and all insight appreciated. > > Dana > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hi Dana, I strongly agreed with , that is a Processing issue, meaning that the "general" brain activation tends to show slow waves at the processing areas. If you train Frontal and Central for ADD, inhibiting Theta and rewarding Beta ro LoBeta (SMR), depends on the site, you will have a firm result for the bedwetting. IME when I increased the reward to 15-18Hz, some cases to 17-21Hz at C3-C4 the kids becomes more attentive and stop the bedwetting as soon as the first session. Just remember that every kid is different, also depends on the age, the exact frequence will change, but as a Physician needs to adjust the meds until reach the exact dosis to his patient, you will to do so until find the right frequence to reward. Best of luck JRDana Rutschilling <ruty@...> wrote: Thank you , Actually without putting it together like that, that is just what I did the other day. I switched to frontal protcols to inhibit the slow activity. Perhaps I am a bit ADD myself. I know the answer in some cases, I just am not sure how I got there! I appreciate the response. Any other insights? Dana Bed wetting> Many of us work with ADD/ADHD kids. Some have problems with wetting. > Are any of you having success stopping the wetting? What do you do?> > Any and all insight appreciated.> > Dana> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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