Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Emma, Of course you won't hear anyone encouraging you to get off of them. And most likely won't be told to taper VERY slowly if you do want to come off of them. Then when you start going psychotic, or getting horribly depressed and suicidal, they'll tell you the benefits out weigh the side effects, when in reality these symptoms are part of withdrawing from the drug, but is not recognized, and misdiagnosed as " mental illness " Telling you this is why you need them. This is an untrue statement. I've been on these drugs now for 16 years, and I've heard it all from the docs. I was told I'd have to be on them the rest of my life, after going off and ending up an emotional wreck. Eventually, they cause exactly what they were prescribed for, and worse. There are many files uploaded in the Crusaders files, packed full of information. There are Doctors who have spent years studying the effects of these drugs. My advise to you is to completely educate yourself on everything you can. There are other sites full of information as well. The information is out there. The doctors will not tell you the truth, as their only education is what the pharmaceutical representatives have taught them. I wished to God that I had took charge of MY health many years ago. I'm currently slowly tapering, and doing much better than 3 years ago. You have to take charge of your own health. If you decide to go off, these groups are wonderful for support. Knowledge is power. Malinda Stopping SSRI > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Emma, Of course you won't hear anyone encouraging you to get off of them. And most likely won't be told to taper VERY slowly if you do want to come off of them. Then when you start going psychotic, or getting horribly depressed and suicidal, they'll tell you the benefits out weigh the side effects, when in reality these symptoms are part of withdrawing from the drug, but is not recognized, and misdiagnosed as " mental illness " Telling you this is why you need them. This is an untrue statement. I've been on these drugs now for 16 years, and I've heard it all from the docs. I was told I'd have to be on them the rest of my life, after going off and ending up an emotional wreck. Eventually, they cause exactly what they were prescribed for, and worse. There are many files uploaded in the Crusaders files, packed full of information. There are Doctors who have spent years studying the effects of these drugs. My advise to you is to completely educate yourself on everything you can. There are other sites full of information as well. The information is out there. The doctors will not tell you the truth, as their only education is what the pharmaceutical representatives have taught them. I wished to God that I had took charge of MY health many years ago. I'm currently slowly tapering, and doing much better than 3 years ago. You have to take charge of your own health. If you decide to go off, these groups are wonderful for support. Knowledge is power. Malinda Stopping SSRI > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Malinda, Thanks for that bit of info. Very important information indeed. It's like they give you a pill for depression and that leads to more dangerous drugs because of the symptoms they cause. Where i work you don't have to be psychotic to get an anti-psychotic. It just kills me when i here people being prescribed Zyprexa. They don't have pschyosis, but they will when these doctors get through with them. I have a 21 year-old female patient on Welbutrin. She's having all kinds of depression and crying. I know someone who went psychotic on that drug and it's all i can do to keep from screaming, IT'S YOUR DRUG GET OFF OF IT BEFORE IT RUINS YOUR LIFE, but i can't or i will loose my job. I'm only there to confirm my fears and to see if i can learn something. I have a friend who's son pees and poops all over himself. She's angry because by the time she figured out what was going on it was to late. Now her son may never be right. We have a patient right now who pees and poops all over himself. It took me a few days (because my brain is fried), but it finally dawned on me, IT'S THE FREEKING DRUGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS! It's a common problem and these stupid doc's know it. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. I don't see how they get up every morning and look at themselves in the mirror. Take care, Connie Stopping SSRI > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Malinda, Thanks for that bit of info. Very important information indeed. It's like they give you a pill for depression and that leads to more dangerous drugs because of the symptoms they cause. Where i work you don't have to be psychotic to get an anti-psychotic. It just kills me when i here people being prescribed Zyprexa. They don't have pschyosis, but they will when these doctors get through with them. I have a 21 year-old female patient on Welbutrin. She's having all kinds of depression and crying. I know someone who went psychotic on that drug and it's all i can do to keep from screaming, IT'S YOUR DRUG GET OFF OF IT BEFORE IT RUINS YOUR LIFE, but i can't or i will loose my job. I'm only there to confirm my fears and to see if i can learn something. I have a friend who's son pees and poops all over himself. She's angry because by the time she figured out what was going on it was to late. Now her son may never be right. We have a patient right now who pees and poops all over himself. It took me a few days (because my brain is fried), but it finally dawned on me, IT'S THE FREEKING DRUGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS! It's a common problem and these stupid doc's know it. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. I don't see how they get up every morning and look at themselves in the mirror. Take care, Connie Stopping SSRI > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Malinda, Thanks for that bit of info. Very important information indeed. It's like they give you a pill for depression and that leads to more dangerous drugs because of the symptoms they cause. Where i work you don't have to be psychotic to get an anti-psychotic. It just kills me when i here people being prescribed Zyprexa. They don't have pschyosis, but they will when these doctors get through with them. I have a 21 year-old female patient on Welbutrin. She's having all kinds of depression and crying. I know someone who went psychotic on that drug and it's all i can do to keep from screaming, IT'S YOUR DRUG GET OFF OF IT BEFORE IT RUINS YOUR LIFE, but i can't or i will loose my job. I'm only there to confirm my fears and to see if i can learn something. I have a friend who's son pees and poops all over himself. She's angry because by the time she figured out what was going on it was to late. Now her son may never be right. We have a patient right now who pees and poops all over himself. It took me a few days (because my brain is fried), but it finally dawned on me, IT'S THE FREEKING DRUGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS! It's a common problem and these stupid doc's know it. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. I don't see how they get up every morning and look at themselves in the mirror. Take care, Connie Stopping SSRI > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hi Malinda, Thanks for that bit of info. Very important information indeed. It's like they give you a pill for depression and that leads to more dangerous drugs because of the symptoms they cause. Where i work you don't have to be psychotic to get an anti-psychotic. It just kills me when i here people being prescribed Zyprexa. They don't have pschyosis, but they will when these doctors get through with them. I have a 21 year-old female patient on Welbutrin. She's having all kinds of depression and crying. I know someone who went psychotic on that drug and it's all i can do to keep from screaming, IT'S YOUR DRUG GET OFF OF IT BEFORE IT RUINS YOUR LIFE, but i can't or i will loose my job. I'm only there to confirm my fears and to see if i can learn something. I have a friend who's son pees and poops all over himself. She's angry because by the time she figured out what was going on it was to late. Now her son may never be right. We have a patient right now who pees and poops all over himself. It took me a few days (because my brain is fried), but it finally dawned on me, IT'S THE FREEKING DRUGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS! It's a common problem and these stupid doc's know it. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. I don't see how they get up every morning and look at themselves in the mirror. Take care, Connie Stopping SSRI > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 xxemma, I think the question you are asking is what can happen if you suddenly stop the drug. Let me give a try - this is of course, based on what I learned, my opinion that others may not agree with. The drugs are like most pharmaceutical medications, synthetic chemicals - not natural to the body. These particular ones work by giving genetic instruction to your body to not do what it normally would do and uptake seratonin through the receptor cells on the seratonin transmitter molecules. Instead, they instruct the body to do the opposite (inhibit uptake). When you first start them, it usually takes a while for them to be effective. This is because the body readjusts it's other functions to compensate for this new altercation. Remember your body is a system, all the various electro-biochemical reactions are inter-related to each other in various ways. In this process, the drugs alter biogenic amines, normal DNA genetic instructions, and the receptor points they are targeted to. I am not trying to sound confusing - rather I'm trying to give you an idea and am hoping you will take words here you do not know, search through the internet, and read to learn more. (This for example http://www.hubin.org/facts/brain/texts/transmitters_en.html The problem in stopping abruptly is that your body is suddenly thrown off balance again and does not know to just automatically resume normal functioning because of the effects on the amines and DNA. In the absence of the drugs it has become accustom to, it can in effect - go crazy leaving a person psychotic and at great risk of harming themselves or others. Bear in mind, psychotic states of mind usually mean the person has lost the ability to self perceive their state and does not realize how crazy they are. When you taper slowly, the readjustment and reversal of the effects of the drugs the body has to do is not near as potentially extreme. You readjust gradually, step at a time instead of major jump. Does that mean a body will not heal to normal with a sudden stop? Some think so but I have not seen that is always true. Lots of people unknowingly stop the drugs and do not report extreme reactions. They seem to adjust with little problem. Certain drugs do get more reports than others, Paxil is reported as the worse withdrawal with Effexor second to it. Some think the withdrawal is a sign they actually need the drugs so they reinstate or get on another drug. I think too that some people have symptoms that they perceive to be something else like the flu but they apparently get over it, adjust, and are on with their lives. The problem is though, no one knows who will and who won't have severe reactions so you are playing Russian roulette. Even if one does not go the extreme of suicide or homocide, they still can do things in a very short period of time to cause signficant problems in their life, say for example doing something crazy at work that gets them fired which can lead to financial problems, problems finding another job etc. There are several problems with staying on the drugs long term. One is that they are synthetic chemicals and can begin causing toxic effects and buildup, so the person ultimately has more problems and has to get off of them. They were never designed to be used forever. As they are also altering normal functions, they can cause other health problems such as hypoglycemia, diabetes, hypothyroidism, hypertension, very possibly even cancer. Not enough is known to know how bad the long term damage can be. If you read on seratonin, it is produced mainly from amino acids derived from your food. Carbohydrates cause the uptake of seratonin - you really can very simply get exactly the same affect that the drugs produce by manipulating your diet so don't ever think options to the drugs do not exist. Stopping SSRI Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come off). Have a good day all xxemma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 xxemma, I think the question you are asking is what can happen if you suddenly stop the drug. Let me give a try - this is of course, based on what I learned, my opinion that others may not agree with. The drugs are like most pharmaceutical medications, synthetic chemicals - not natural to the body. These particular ones work by giving genetic instruction to your body to not do what it normally would do and uptake seratonin through the receptor cells on the seratonin transmitter molecules. Instead, they instruct the body to do the opposite (inhibit uptake). When you first start them, it usually takes a while for them to be effective. This is because the body readjusts it's other functions to compensate for this new altercation. Remember your body is a system, all the various electro-biochemical reactions are inter-related to each other in various ways. In this process, the drugs alter biogenic amines, normal DNA genetic instructions, and the receptor points they are targeted to. I am not trying to sound confusing - rather I'm trying to give you an idea and am hoping you will take words here you do not know, search through the internet, and read to learn more. (This for example http://www.hubin.org/facts/brain/texts/transmitters_en.html The problem in stopping abruptly is that your body is suddenly thrown off balance again and does not know to just automatically resume normal functioning because of the effects on the amines and DNA. In the absence of the drugs it has become accustom to, it can in effect - go crazy leaving a person psychotic and at great risk of harming themselves or others. Bear in mind, psychotic states of mind usually mean the person has lost the ability to self perceive their state and does not realize how crazy they are. When you taper slowly, the readjustment and reversal of the effects of the drugs the body has to do is not near as potentially extreme. You readjust gradually, step at a time instead of major jump. Does that mean a body will not heal to normal with a sudden stop? Some think so but I have not seen that is always true. Lots of people unknowingly stop the drugs and do not report extreme reactions. They seem to adjust with little problem. Certain drugs do get more reports than others, Paxil is reported as the worse withdrawal with Effexor second to it. Some think the withdrawal is a sign they actually need the drugs so they reinstate or get on another drug. I think too that some people have symptoms that they perceive to be something else like the flu but they apparently get over it, adjust, and are on with their lives. The problem is though, no one knows who will and who won't have severe reactions so you are playing Russian roulette. Even if one does not go the extreme of suicide or homocide, they still can do things in a very short period of time to cause signficant problems in their life, say for example doing something crazy at work that gets them fired which can lead to financial problems, problems finding another job etc. There are several problems with staying on the drugs long term. One is that they are synthetic chemicals and can begin causing toxic effects and buildup, so the person ultimately has more problems and has to get off of them. They were never designed to be used forever. As they are also altering normal functions, they can cause other health problems such as hypoglycemia, diabetes, hypothyroidism, hypertension, very possibly even cancer. Not enough is known to know how bad the long term damage can be. If you read on seratonin, it is produced mainly from amino acids derived from your food. Carbohydrates cause the uptake of seratonin - you really can very simply get exactly the same affect that the drugs produce by manipulating your diet so don't ever think options to the drugs do not exist. Stopping SSRI Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the body? Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come off). Have a good day all xxemma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Re: Stopping SSRI > Thanks for that bit of info. Very important information indeed. It's like they give you a pill for depression and that leads to more dangerous drugs because of the symptoms they cause. This is true Connie, in too many cases.... that's why it's so important that everyone educates themselves so that they can hopefully spot these side effects and not just take more meds. It's apparent that the majority of the doctors have no clue how to recognize, or even use these types of drugs. If it doesn't work, they change, add, something else. If you're treated for say, depression, you might end up psychotic, agorphobic, anxious, etc.... And what will the docs say about that? It's not the drugs causing the side effects, it's your " mental illness " . It completely ruins lives. And it's wrong.. period. Where i work you don't have to be psychotic to get an anti-psychotic. It just kills me when i here people being prescribed Zyprexa. They don't have pschyosis, but they will when these doctors get through with them. I have a 21 year-old female patient on Welbutrin. She's having all kinds of depression and crying. I know someone who went psychotic on that drug and it's all i can do to keep from screaming, IT'S YOUR DRUG GET OFF OF IT BEFORE IT RUINS YOUR LIFE, but i can't or i will loose my job. I'm only there to confirm my fears and to see if i can learn something. I honestly don't know how you can do it. I'm sure you're learning a lot about all of it, not just the drugs, but also how the patients are manipulated, or maybe even coerced into taking this stuff. I have a friend who's son pees and poops all over himself. She's angry because by the time she figured out what was going on it was to late. Now her son may never be right. We have a patient right now who pees and poops all over himself. It took me a few days (because my brain is fried), but it finally dawned on me, IT'S THE FREEKING DRUGS THAT HAVE CAUSED THIS! It's a common problem and these stupid doc's know it. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. I don't see how they get up every morning and look at themselves in the mirror. What there needs to be is some sort of advocate program or something to go into these places and review each patient, be it daily or weekly....Talk to them, monitor them, someone who's not connected or paid by anyone affiliated with the facility. But would have the influence to initiate an investigation if need be. I don't have it all thought out in my head, but someone needs to oversee these place very closely. Too many people are suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Very well said ! Stopping SSRI > > > > > Can anytone tell me what are the problems with coming off suddenly. Is it > the withdrawal impact or is there long term damage that can be done to the > body? > Does it outway staying on them (i'm not getting any 'encouragemnet' to come > off). > > Have a good day all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Hi - thanks for such an informative reply. I have just changed from Seroxat to Cipramil, and 20mg to 40mg. I saw a new doc as it was apparent everything was not ok, he referred me to a phys. who i haven't seen yet - i have an appointment onthe 15th. Anyhow initially i was pleased as the phys. said to the doc that i should come off Seroxat, but the rest of the story had developed in completely the wrong direction. I have learnt so much the lst couple of months. Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects it was having on me - the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a panic attack. I know have a substantial list of negative problems, no doc has every told me about any of these and even though i have been to the doc to explain my reasons for coming of these bad tabs - i have got absolutely no-where. I wish now i had kept my mouth shut - but i can't do it on my own without the docs support. It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought about what they are actually doing - or do the docs know? I think some know, and the rest haven't got a bloody clue what they are giving. I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts re primate testing. Put this together with my tnoughts about the AD scenario and i despise myself each day when i take my tablet. Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now. My eyes are open re: what my body needs, and although i have a huge amount to learn, i see this as being my way to take control of 'me'. Also i am going to go to church - don't know why, just seems like a good idea Anyhow , thanks again. I think i feel even worse now i've changed meds - but i'm fighting against this. I don't want to just accept that this is my lot, i do believe we are all here for an individual reason - i guess i'm just doing as everyone else has/is, hoping there was a quick solution to getting off the meds. One step at a time - not sure what to do about the phys though. Take care and hugs to all xxemma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 > " It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought .................... " Seroxat, Cipramil it matters little, for there is little or no deep thought upon these matters from your average GP in the UK " Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects ........ " " the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack................ " Actually you missed one thing ..............You joined the Seroxat_User_Group and there you met a wider circle of friends. " I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts ............... " Yes a few people are shocked by that character morse " Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now............... " I'm glad you were able to read the posts put upon that forum by __Black, Lady M and could you ever forget Elfreda Cobourn. and the others ..............where are they now? Where are they now, where has their info gone? " i am going to go to church - don't know why......... " In or out of faith Emma, you will be in the presence of people at peace with their lot..............that will do you good. " My eyes are open .................to my (real)needs....... " " i do believe we are all here for an individual reason ........ " Indeed we are " One step at a time .................. " Emma you have a direction now in which to walk ........and true friends to walk beside you. Peace to you my friend xxooxx > Hi - thanks for such an informative reply. I have just changed from > Seroxat to Cipramil, and 20mg to 40mg. I saw a new doc as it was apparent > everything was not ok, he referred me to a phys. who i haven't seen yet - i have an > appointment onthe 15th. Anyhow initially i was pleased as the phys. said to the > doc that i should come off Seroxat, but the rest of the story had developed in > completely the wrong direction. I have learnt so much the lst couple of > months. Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects it was having on > me - the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack. I know have a substantial list of negative problems, no doc has > every told me about any of these and even though i have been to the doc to > explain my reasons for coming of these bad tabs - i have got absolutely no-where. I > wish now i had kept my mouth shut - but i can't do it on my own without the > docs support. > It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought > about what they are actually doing - or do the docs know? I think some know, > and the rest haven't got a bloody clue what they are giving. > I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts re primate testing. Put this > together with my tnoughts about the AD scenario and i despise myself each day when i > take my tablet. > > Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now. My eyes are open re: what my > body needs, and although i have a huge amount to learn, i see this as being my > way to take control of 'me'. > > Also i am going to go to church - don't know why, just seems like a good idea > > > Anyhow , thanks again. I think i feel even worse now i've changed meds - > but i'm fighting against this. I don't want to just accept that this is my > lot, i do believe we are all here for an individual reason - i guess i'm just > doing as everyone else has/is, hoping there was a quick solution to getting off > the meds. One step at a time - not sure what to do about the phys though. > > Take care and hugs to all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 > " It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought .................... " Seroxat, Cipramil it matters little, for there is little or no deep thought upon these matters from your average GP in the UK " Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects ........ " " the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack................ " Actually you missed one thing ..............You joined the Seroxat_User_Group and there you met a wider circle of friends. " I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts ............... " Yes a few people are shocked by that character morse " Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now............... " I'm glad you were able to read the posts put upon that forum by __Black, Lady M and could you ever forget Elfreda Cobourn. and the others ..............where are they now? Where are they now, where has their info gone? " i am going to go to church - don't know why......... " In or out of faith Emma, you will be in the presence of people at peace with their lot..............that will do you good. " My eyes are open .................to my (real)needs....... " " i do believe we are all here for an individual reason ........ " Indeed we are " One step at a time .................. " Emma you have a direction now in which to walk ........and true friends to walk beside you. Peace to you my friend xxooxx > Hi - thanks for such an informative reply. I have just changed from > Seroxat to Cipramil, and 20mg to 40mg. I saw a new doc as it was apparent > everything was not ok, he referred me to a phys. who i haven't seen yet - i have an > appointment onthe 15th. Anyhow initially i was pleased as the phys. said to the > doc that i should come off Seroxat, but the rest of the story had developed in > completely the wrong direction. I have learnt so much the lst couple of > months. Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects it was having on > me - the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack. I know have a substantial list of negative problems, no doc has > every told me about any of these and even though i have been to the doc to > explain my reasons for coming of these bad tabs - i have got absolutely no-where. I > wish now i had kept my mouth shut - but i can't do it on my own without the > docs support. > It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought > about what they are actually doing - or do the docs know? I think some know, > and the rest haven't got a bloody clue what they are giving. > I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts re primate testing. Put this > together with my tnoughts about the AD scenario and i despise myself each day when i > take my tablet. > > Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now. My eyes are open re: what my > body needs, and although i have a huge amount to learn, i see this as being my > way to take control of 'me'. > > Also i am going to go to church - don't know why, just seems like a good idea > > > Anyhow , thanks again. I think i feel even worse now i've changed meds - > but i'm fighting against this. I don't want to just accept that this is my > lot, i do believe we are all here for an individual reason - i guess i'm just > doing as everyone else has/is, hoping there was a quick solution to getting off > the meds. One step at a time - not sure what to do about the phys though. > > Take care and hugs to all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 > " It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought .................... " Seroxat, Cipramil it matters little, for there is little or no deep thought upon these matters from your average GP in the UK " Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects ........ " " the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack................ " Actually you missed one thing ..............You joined the Seroxat_User_Group and there you met a wider circle of friends. " I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts ............... " Yes a few people are shocked by that character morse " Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now............... " I'm glad you were able to read the posts put upon that forum by __Black, Lady M and could you ever forget Elfreda Cobourn. and the others ..............where are they now? Where are they now, where has their info gone? " i am going to go to church - don't know why......... " In or out of faith Emma, you will be in the presence of people at peace with their lot..............that will do you good. " My eyes are open .................to my (real)needs....... " " i do believe we are all here for an individual reason ........ " Indeed we are " One step at a time .................. " Emma you have a direction now in which to walk ........and true friends to walk beside you. Peace to you my friend xxooxx > Hi - thanks for such an informative reply. I have just changed from > Seroxat to Cipramil, and 20mg to 40mg. I saw a new doc as it was apparent > everything was not ok, he referred me to a phys. who i haven't seen yet - i have an > appointment onthe 15th. Anyhow initially i was pleased as the phys. said to the > doc that i should come off Seroxat, but the rest of the story had developed in > completely the wrong direction. I have learnt so much the lst couple of > months. Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects it was having on > me - the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack. I know have a substantial list of negative problems, no doc has > every told me about any of these and even though i have been to the doc to > explain my reasons for coming of these bad tabs - i have got absolutely no-where. I > wish now i had kept my mouth shut - but i can't do it on my own without the > docs support. > It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought > about what they are actually doing - or do the docs know? I think some know, > and the rest haven't got a bloody clue what they are giving. > I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts re primate testing. Put this > together with my tnoughts about the AD scenario and i despise myself each day when i > take my tablet. > > Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now. My eyes are open re: what my > body needs, and although i have a huge amount to learn, i see this as being my > way to take control of 'me'. > > Also i am going to go to church - don't know why, just seems like a good idea > > > Anyhow , thanks again. I think i feel even worse now i've changed meds - > but i'm fighting against this. I don't want to just accept that this is my > lot, i do believe we are all here for an individual reason - i guess i'm just > doing as everyone else has/is, hoping there was a quick solution to getting off > the meds. One step at a time - not sure what to do about the phys though. > > Take care and hugs to all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 > " It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought .................... " Seroxat, Cipramil it matters little, for there is little or no deep thought upon these matters from your average GP in the UK " Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects ........ " " the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack................ " Actually you missed one thing ..............You joined the Seroxat_User_Group and there you met a wider circle of friends. " I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts ............... " Yes a few people are shocked by that character morse " Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now............... " I'm glad you were able to read the posts put upon that forum by __Black, Lady M and could you ever forget Elfreda Cobourn. and the others ..............where are they now? Where are they now, where has their info gone? " i am going to go to church - don't know why......... " In or out of faith Emma, you will be in the presence of people at peace with their lot..............that will do you good. " My eyes are open .................to my (real)needs....... " " i do believe we are all here for an individual reason ........ " Indeed we are " One step at a time .................. " Emma you have a direction now in which to walk ........and true friends to walk beside you. Peace to you my friend xxooxx > Hi - thanks for such an informative reply. I have just changed from > Seroxat to Cipramil, and 20mg to 40mg. I saw a new doc as it was apparent > everything was not ok, he referred me to a phys. who i haven't seen yet - i have an > appointment onthe 15th. Anyhow initially i was pleased as the phys. said to the > doc that i should come off Seroxat, but the rest of the story had developed in > completely the wrong direction. I have learnt so much the lst couple of > months. Took seroxat for 5 years totally oblivious to the effects it was having on > me - the only positive thing about it was i could go out without getting a > panic attack. I know have a substantial list of negative problems, no doc has > every told me about any of these and even though i have been to the doc to > explain my reasons for coming of these bad tabs - i have got absolutely no-where. I > wish now i had kept my mouth shut - but i can't do it on my own without the > docs support. > It seems so many people are put on these bad tabs with absolutley no thought > about what they are actually doing - or do the docs know? I think some know, > and the rest haven't got a bloody clue what they are giving. > I was shocked by morses (hi morse) posts re primate testing. Put this > together with my tnoughts about the AD scenario and i despise myself each day when i > take my tablet. > > Nutrition - this is where i am focusing now. My eyes are open re: what my > body needs, and although i have a huge amount to learn, i see this as being my > way to take control of 'me'. > > Also i am going to go to church - don't know why, just seems like a good idea > > > Anyhow , thanks again. I think i feel even worse now i've changed meds - > but i'm fighting against this. I don't want to just accept that this is my > lot, i do believe we are all here for an individual reason - i guess i'm just > doing as everyone else has/is, hoping there was a quick solution to getting off > the meds. One step at a time - not sure what to do about the phys though. > > Take care and hugs to all > xxemma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 You won't likely be able to stay with Dr. G if you aren't on an SSRI. It's the protocol. He'll probably change your SSRI if there are issues. You need to titrate down on an SSRI. I can tell that our experience with taking our son off was miserable and we titrated *very* slowly. We dropped the dose by 1/4 every other week and when the dose when we got to the end, we dropped as low as we could go, we dosed every other day for 2 weeks and then then we stopped altogether. It was hard and my son was a wreck for a month. But when he was finally through it all, he was much better than he was on it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com ~@midian42~ On May 5, 2010, at 12:02 PM, georgiasand32 wrote: > Since my son has started SSRIs he is always tired. He has no energy. Has anyone here stopped the SSRIs but continued on with ? What is the safest way to stop the SSRI? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 It's hard to say about the SSRI and Dr. G. My whole family (five of us) are patients. All of us are on SSRIs but my husband. So far, and he's been with Dr. G almost a year, he hasn't felt the need to add that to my husband's protocol. All the best, Robyn ________________________________ From: Cheryl L. <cheryl.lowrance@...> Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 8:25:38 PM Subject: Re: Stopping SSRI You won't likely be able to stay with Dr. G if you aren't on an SSRI. It's the protocol. He'll probably change your SSRI if there are issues. You need to titrate down on an SSRI. I can tell that our experience with taking our son off was miserable and we titrated *very* slowly. We dropped the dose by 1/4 every other week and when the dose when we got to the end, we dropped as low as we could go, we dosed every other day for 2 weeks and then then we stopped altogether. It was hard and my son was a wreck for a month. But when he was finally through it all, he was much better than he was on it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com ~@midian42~ On May 5, 2010, at 12:02 PM, georgiasand32 wrote: > Since my son has started SSRIs he is always tired. He has no energy. Has anyone here stopped the SSRIs but continued on with ? What is the safest way to stop the SSRI? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 We had periods of time where one of the other child was not on SSRIs, and we didn't actually even start them until after the first year on the protocol (although most are much earlier now as the benefits and need just become clearer and clearer). I particularly hated SSRIs due to extremely negative experiences with them, and really had a problem w/using them for my kids, but I am now at the place where I see them as very beneficial and want to have those right mixes for my kids, because I now understand just how protective they are, but I don't relish those periods where we have to tweak them or try/stop them. Dr G will urge you because he knows their benefits. I doubt he would refuse to treat someone over it if you have valid reasons, but he is going to try to help overcome the resistance because they really really are important, and he will try to help you thru those periods. If you've had bad experiences in the past, it could have to do with the state of the brain at that time, and reducing inflammation by the other meds usually makes the ssri experience better later. What is good or bad one year may not be the same the following year. It's so wierd. That being said, there are some who never get to the point of tolerance, and yet they are still with him. But he will expect you to try. Many many many of us have been very opposed to that idea but come around to have entirely different feelings about it later. Many of us have had wicked-bad experiences with ssris before, and found that they were much different under Dr G, either because of the changes the other meds brought, or because of the way Dr G can choose them, or because of the way he doses them (starting them at about 1/4 of the dose that they are typically started). HTH ________________________________ From: Cheryl L. <cheryl.lowrance@...> Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 10:25:38 PM Subject: Re: Stopping SSRI You won't likely be able to stay with Dr. G if you aren't on an SSRI. It's the protocol. He'll probably change your SSRI if there are issues. You need to titrate down on an SSRI. I can tell that our experience with taking our son off was miserable and we titrated *very* slowly. We dropped the dose by 1/4 every other week and when the dose when we got to the end, we dropped as low as we could go, we dosed every other day for 2 weeks and then then we stopped altogether. It was hard and my son was a wreck for a month. But when he was finally through it all, he was much better than he was on it. Cheryl ~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com ~@midian42~ On May 5, 2010, at 12:02 PM, georgiasand32 wrote: > Since my son has started SSRIs he is always tired. He has no energy. Has anyone here stopped the SSRIs but continued on with ? What is the safest way to stop the SSRI? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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