Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 , Thanks for this. I've always understood from Dr. G that my son has encephalopathy. He had a MRI when he was 3, but it did not show anything. Do you think that's common? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:38 AM nids Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalography, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 This is very interesting! My son has low male hormone levels and extreme hyperactivity and impulsivity. It says in the information below that corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy may improve with corticosteroids. Are these meds that Dr. G prescribes? How do you get diagnosed? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: May-06-10 3:38 PM nids Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalography, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Hi Kristy, My son also had an MRI done when he was 2 years old and it came back normal as well. Dr. Golberg also talks about non-inflammatory inflammation. Kind of hard to understand what it means, but a real condition. In this condition the inflammation is there, but it displays different, more subtle patterns. I don't think doctors are actually looking for this kind of inflammation when an MRI is performed. I don't even know if an MRI can detect this kind of inflammation. A brain SPECT scan can detect the problem by looking a cerebral perfusion. Please read the article below. Take care, 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism! http://www.stopcallingitautism.net Neuronal damage in brain inflammation. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17296833 Abstract In contrast to traditional textbook paradigms, recent studies indicate neuronal damage in classic neuroinflammatory diseases of the brain, such as multiple sclerosis or meningitis. In these cases, immune cells invade the central nervous system compartments, accompanied by a massive breakdown of the blood-brain barrier and typical changes of the cerebrospinal fluid. On the other hand, inflammation within the central nervous system is a common phenomenon even in classic noninflammatory brain diseases that are characterized by degeneration or trauma of neuronal structures, such as Alzheimer disease, Parkinson disease, or stroke. In these cases, inflammation is a frequent occurrence but displays different, more subtle, patterns compared with, for example, multiple sclerosis. Concepts for directly protecting neurons and axons in neuroinflammatory diseases may improve the outcome of the patients. In parallel, epidemiological and animal experimental evidences, as well as first clinical trials indicate the benefit of immunomodulatory therapies for classic noninflammatory brain diseases. We review the evidence for inflammatory neuronal damage and its clinical impact in the context of these diseases. From: knardini@... Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:48:24 -0700 Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies , Thanks for this. I've always understood from Dr. G that my son has encephalopathy. He had a MRI when he was 3, but it did not show anything. Do you think that's common? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:38 AM nids Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalography, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 I don't think Dr. Goldberg prescribes corticosteroids. Do you mean how you diagnose a child with encephalopathy? Regards, 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism! http://www.stopcallingitautism.net From: freemanbk@... Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:09:21 -0300 Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies This is very interesting! My son has low male hormone levels and extreme hyperactivity and impulsivity. It says in the information below that corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy may improve with corticosteroids. Are these meds that Dr. G prescribes? How do you get diagnosed? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: May-06-10 3:38 PM nids Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalography, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Yes, how do you get diagnosed and it did say that this corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathies are treated with corticosteroids. Could this help our child? Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalography, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Hey Kristi, Â It is very common to not find inflammation on an MRI. I remember when my son had an MRI done and I asked the neurologist for the results and she said that ASD children have the most beautiful brains. I thought I need a new neurologist because something was not right. Anyway, it was not until 2005 that it was discovered that ASD brains do have inflammation. Vargas et al from s Hopkins did a post-mortem study on ASD brains and found inflammation. Of course, Dr. G and perhaps a few others knew well before this but even now, the basic medical community is not taking this seriously because they are unobservant, ambivalent and slow. I am thinking other choice words but I will refrain. Here is the link to the Hopkins 2005 paper. Â http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546155 Â Cheers, Â Jill From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...> Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 2:48 PM Â , Thanks for this. I've always understood from Dr. G that my son has encephalopathy. He had a MRI when he was 3, but it did not show anything. Do you think that's common? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini. com/> http://www.tazzini. com kristytazzini (DOT) com Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:38 AM nidsgroups (DOT) com Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt- Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid- responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalogra phy, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Thanks to everyone who responded and for the information! Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini.com/> http://www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jill Boyer Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies Hey Kristi, It is very common to not find inflammation on an MRI. I remember when my son had an MRI done and I asked the neurologist for the results and she said that ASD children have the most beautiful brains. I thought I need a new neurologist because something was not right. Anyway, it was not until 2005 that it was discovered that ASD brains do have inflammation. Vargas et al from s Hopkins did a post-mortem study on ASD brains and found inflammation. Of course, Dr. G and perhaps a few others knew well before this but even now, the basic medical community is not taking this seriously because they are unobservant, ambivalent and slow. I am thinking other choice words but I will refrain. Here is the link to the Hopkins 2005 paper. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546155 Cheers, Jill From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@... <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> > Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies <mailto:%40> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 2:48 PM , Thanks for this. I've always understood from Dr. G that my son has encephalopathy. He had a MRI when he was 3, but it did not show anything. Do you think that's common? Kristy Nardini TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles <http://www.tazzini. com/> http://www.tazzini. com kristytazzini (DOT) com Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:38 AM nidsgroups (DOT) com Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt- Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid- responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalogra phy, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Dr G avoids steroids in our kids at all costs. The only time he would use them is in a serious illness that demands them. Steroids will work, BUT our kids have serious immune issues, and steroids will 'set free' the viruses that are the *cause* of the inflammation. Much better to treat the viruses, limit all the triggers of inflammation (diet, antibiotics when required, antifungals) by suppressing the immune system from the other end. There are serious side effects to the steroids, and desperate parents using them often see several other serious problems aside from worsening the body's already diminished ability to fight infection - actually blasting it. And the steroids have to be stopped at some time, and then you have a rebound and often lose all those gains. So yes, steroids do work, but the nids protocol works better and without the consequences. HTH ________________________________ From: <jrodrig6605@...> nids Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 4:08:59 PM Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies I don't think Dr. Goldberg prescribes corticosteroids. Do you mean how you diagnose a child with encephalopathy? Regards, 's Story - Stop Calling It Autism! http://www.stopcallingitautism.net From: freemanbk@... Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:09:21 -0300 Subject: RE: Autoimmune encephalopathies This is very interesting! My son has low male hormone levels and extreme hyperactivity and impulsivity. It says in the information below that corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy may improve with corticosteroids. Are these meds that Dr. G prescribes? How do you get diagnosed? From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sent: May-06-10 3:38 PM nids Subject: Autoimmune encephalopathies Autoimmune encephalopathies http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17495758 Abstract BACKGROUND: Evaluation of patients with recent onset of progressive cognitive and behavioral problems can be challenging. Psychiatric disorders, metabolic derangements, toxins and infections are generally considered in the differential diagnosis along with prion disorders (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease) and rapidly progressive degenerative dementias. Some subacute encephalopathies are caused by autoimmune or inflammatory mechanisms, recognized by the association with autoantibody markers and/or clear response to immunomodulatory treatment. This review describes the clinical features of these potentially reversible autoimmune encephalopathies. REVIEW SUMMARY: Morvan syndrome, paraneoplastic limbic encephalitis (PLE), and nonparaneoplastic autoimmune limbic encephalitis have characteristic clinical and serological features. Limbic encephalitis is characterized by short-term memory impairment, complex partial temporal lobe seizures and psychiatric symptoms. Signal abnormalities in the mesial temporal lobes without contrast enhancement are the typical MRI findings. Morvan syndrome presents with behavioral changes, hallucinations, severe insomnia, autonomic hyperactivity and neuromyotonia (spontaneous muscle activity). Corticosteroid-responsive encephalopathy associated with evidence of thyroid autoimmunity (sometimes called Hashimoto encephalopathy) has a broad range of clinical presentation. Cognitive impairment with tremor, seizures, stroke-like events (including transient aphasia) and normal thyroid hormone levels is a common scenario. In the absence of diagnostic serological findings, clinical improvement with corticosteroids may be the only evidence of autoimmune encephalopathy. CONCLUSIONS: Autoimmune encephalopathies are an important cause of rapidly progressive cognitive and behavioral decline that probably remain under recognized. Electroencephalography, brain MRI, cerebrospinal fluid examination and serological tests are useful diagnostic tools. With increased clinical suspicion, these diseases may be diagnosed and treated successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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