Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

[Guest guest]

Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the diet?

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol and to be

honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a bit of

difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr. Goldberg said you

can't have this thing that you love anymore because it makes you sick, "

especially when there are OTHER things that I think could be more likely to be

causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from his diet but haven't

because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

TIA,

Donna

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> > > >

> >

> > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my son

> >

> > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on me).

> >

> > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage with

> >

> > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a good

> >

> > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain caesin.

> >

> > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > > here do?

> >

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[Guest guest]

I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

Kristy Nardini

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www.tazzini.com

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dahlia

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

TIA,

Donna

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

son

> >

> > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

me).

> >

> > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

with

> >

> > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

good

> >

> > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

caesin.

> >

> > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > > here do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Kristy

Why do you say, " Especially for Boys "

Bill

From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...>

Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

 

I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

Kristy Nardini

TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

www.tazzini. com

kristytazzini (DOT) com

Phone: 858.243.1929

Fax: 858.724.1418

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Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

TIA,

Donna

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

son

> >

> > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

me).

> >

> > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

with

> >

> > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

good

> >

> > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

caesin.

> >

> > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > > here do?

> >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Donna,

I agree. The diet is the most frustrating thing about . We recently did

P/N testing because our son's diet is so restricted and my intuition tells

me that it may not be necessary to eliminate all these things. My fella

tested positive (highly allergic) for soy, egg, sweet potato and many other

things that are allowed on the diet. But he is not allergic or

sensitive to strawberries (and some other things) which is a big " No No " .

It took us a year to make up our minds to venture off from Dr. G a bit and

only time will tell if the P/N extracts will make a difference. BUT I

definitely am frustrated with the diet especially when the dark circles

remain, and we are not making the progress that we had hoped for.

Martha

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Dahlia <donnaaron@...> wrote:

>

>

> Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

> and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

> bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

>

>

> TIA,

>

> Donna

>

>

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > >

> > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

>

> > >

> > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> son

> > >

> > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

> me).

> > >

> > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

>

> > >

> > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change

> his

> > >

> > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> with

> > >

> > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> > >

> > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> good

> > >

> > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

>

> > >

> > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> caesin.

> > >

> > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> > >

> > > > > here do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

In over 7 years with Dr. G. I have never heard him RECOMMEND *soy*.

I have had a very difficult time with my son and his diet, not because he

sneaks stuff or is difficult to convince he can no longer have certain

things, but because his IgE remains high, even though I have continued to

eliminate things Dr. G suggests, and give things that I am doubtful that my

son could tolerate. However at the end of the day, I have always trusted

Dr. G and he has never steered me wrong. My sons IgE does continue to come

down and even things I have avoided but Dr. G has said are okay (i.e. white

bread) I am only now, after all these years, getting it through my head that

he CAN have that and it will be less reactive then some of the GF

alternatives that usually, often, contain tapioca, rice, corn and so on.

While many of us have 1, 2 or even 3 kids as patients with Dr. G, he has

treated hundreds, thousands of kids over the years and has a better overall

awareness based on his clinical evaluations. Things have also changed or

rather evolved over the years as Dr. G learns more and treats more and

different kids. At one point Rice Dream was okay, now we are to avoid not

only brown rice, but all rice as he has learned of kids being reactive

to it.

This is a learning process for all of us, including Dr. G. I have in the

past resisted completely surrendering to Dr. G`s ideas of the diet as there

have been some things that I just can`t fathom…white bread was one of them

that I am now giving into - without reaction. The other is artificial

sweeteners such as Splenda. While I won`t yet give on THAT one, I am

starting to wonder if I had trusted a bit more in the beginning and taken

the diet as Dr. G suggests without my own GFCF modifications perhaps my sons

IgE would by now, be within a normal range and his body could finally heal,

instead of always be inflamed just from what he eats.

Compared to the early years when my son could not even tolerate an apple or

grapes, he has come a very long way. The Dos and Donts Diet is not

that hard compared to the hardcore GFCF diet that is now, I believe,

considered ``old school``. Yet for those of us who have seen the difference

in our kids behaviour and health just by removing a few offending foods, it

is a really, really hard thing to surrender control of! We are just quite

frankly afraid to see that side of our child(ren) return.

Perhaps soy is okay for some of our kids. If Dr. G says it is okay for YOUR

kid, there must be a reason he says that. I know for us, soy is not

tolerated. Although eventually, I think the ideal goal is to have our kids

be able to tolerate most things, in moderation or on occasion without

flipping out or doing any inflammatory damage.

Hope this helps Donna. I know this is frustrating. Truly the most

difficult part of the protocol is to keep our kids immune systems inactive

or homeostatic. Many of us know how much diet can affect our kids so

clearly it is one the keys to their ongoing success.

Best of luck to you.

Lori

BTW, what is it that you use soy for. I have realized that there is a

completely different mindset with this diet and a ``MILK`` beverage or drink

substitution is not necessary…Contrary to all the milk advertisements (paid

for by the Dairy Boards) that tell our kids that they need so many glasses a

day to be ``healthy``!

We use a lot of Hellman`s REAL mayonnaise for sauces, dipping, even to make

something ``creamy``. Perhaps that might work as a substitution…If it is for

cereal, Goat milk is what is recommended. But then again, it is that whole

moderation thing again!!!

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dahlia

Sent: April-09-10 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER th ings that I think could

be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

TIA,

Donna

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

son

> >

> > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

me).

> >

> > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

with

> >

> > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

good

> >

> > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

caesin.

> >

> > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > > here do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi.

 

It's not easy, but if you child is a kid, my opinion is to follow Dr. G. 

When my son was four, we starting this protocol and from testing, had allergies

to wheat, cheese, peanut butter, citrus, and eggs. (All the things he loved.)

 

My son is also not one of these kids who recovered quickly.  At eleven, he is

doing 500% better, but still has a way to go. His labs are much better and the

last round of labwork was the best he has ever had the whole time with Dr. G.  I

really feel like his system is cooling off.  It's hard, but try to keep in mind

some of our kids just take more time and need more of our energy in order to

catch up.  (I was told when he was two by a neurologist that he probably would

not talk or be able to understand what I say to him based on a BEAM test.)

 

For years, he has been living off meat, vegetables, fruit limited, cereal,  &

chips, lots of water.  Basically, he eats like a diabetic and has gotten used to

it. 

 

For some of us, it takes a while. I hope this helps.   Lynn

 

>

>

> Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

> and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

> bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

>

>

> TIA,

>

> Donna

>

>

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > >

> > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

>

> > >

> > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> son

> > >

> > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

> me).

> > >

> > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

>

> > >

> > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change

> his

> > >

> > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> with

> > >

> > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> > >

> > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> good

> > >

> > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

>

> > >

> > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> caesin.

> > >

> > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> > >

> > > > > here do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

Dr. G recommended Soy Silk as a substitute for Rice Dream in cereal.

HATED Soy Silk and could even taste it when I tried mixing it with the Rice

Dream to gradually get him used to it. He also hates Vance's DairiFree. Dr. G

also recommended soy yogurt as source of extra protein.

's IgE levels have always been in the *normal* range. Always. He does get

those " allergic shiners " occasionally, but I feel those are due more to

weather/pollen changes than food. Dr. G's main concern has been his rosy

cheeks. Last office visit I managed to convince Dr. G that the rosy cheeks are

more due to excitement, wind, heat, and activity, and not so much to food.

When we first did the allergy blood tests seven years ago, showed a

low-moderate sensitivity to soy. That's why I'm suspicious that I should take

soy out but not be so concerned with some of the other things.

Aaarrrgggh...

Thanks for your insights, though!

Donna

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> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > >

> > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> > >

> > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> son

> > >

> > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

> me).

> > >

> > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> > >

> > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

>

> > >

> > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> with

> > >

> > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> > >

> > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> good

> > >

> > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> > >

> > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> caesin.

> > >

> > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> > >

> > > > > here do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Diet

I have fought with my wife, his teachers, my in laws, and Dr G for years over

diet. The only totally conclusive comment I can make is when I finally stopped

worrying about what made my kid happy and excluded all of the potential

triggers, (We basically feed my son veggies (tons of them) fruit (a couple of

portions a day), and just pushed the protein, along with Potatoes (chips, home

made fries, mashed, ETC ...) And did what is never talked about on this list is

get rid of all potential environmental allergens. Carpet, stuffed animals,

unidentified cleaning products, Fragrant candles, Feather pillows, and just

simply changed the filters on the AC bi-monthly I saw the lights come on and he

is just flourishing. The logic that we need to balance our kids happiness and

good health is not a viable compromise.

What is not addressed is just common logic if you understand immune triggers.

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE, environmental. well intentioned teachers  and grand

parents, other kids all meaning well! and just plain pollen. mango trees in

bloom can trash a spring break! I know, just did that and went there.

I look at it this way, if he is exposed once every ten days you are wasting your

time. If for one year you just shut down all potential immune triggers, period,

you may well give this kid a lifetime of opportunities.  Once healthy it is

easy to re-introduce what ever  may be questionable and believe me you will see

if you reintroduce an immune trigger!

Connor is going to a gen ed school unassisted in fifth grade. He is a skin

picker with tactile sensory issues among other things. Immune triggers cause him

to get hive like reactions on his legs that he then picks at. When he gets off

the bus and I see a mark or bloody sore that is new I ask him, what did you

eat.  He now gets it. He cheats but makes the connection and then the behaviors

go away until he acts like a typical preteen and breaks the rules again.

Don't suffer through what is right or maybe wrong. Healthy is much happier than

a sick kid that wants a cookie or ice cream. In my house never, never mention

donuts, Potato pancakes are good enough!

Bill

>

>

> Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

> and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

> bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

>

>

> TIA,

>

> Donna

>

>

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > >

> > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

>

> > >

> > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> son

> > >

> > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

> me).

> > >

> > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

>

> > >

> > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change

> his

> > >

> > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> with

> > >

> > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> > >

> > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> good

> > >

> > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

>

> > >

> > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> caesin.

> > >

> > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > >

> > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> > >

> > > > > here do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Isn't it high in hormones like estrogen?  I know it's high in a kind of

blocking phyto-something that blocks seeds from sprouting...

I've heard of men developing man-boobs from too much soy...

 

________________________________

From: Bill klimas <klimas_bill@...>

Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 10:18:50 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

 

Kristy

Why do you say, " Especially for Boys "

Bill

From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunner .com>

Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

 

I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

Kristy Nardini

TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

www.tazzini. com

kristytazzini (DOT) com

Phone: 858.243.1929

Fax: 858.724.1418

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dahlia

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

groups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

TIA,

Donna

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

son

> >

> > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

me).

> >

> > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

with

> >

> > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

good

> >

> > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

caesin.

> >

> > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > > here do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just curious, I try to keep my son away from any food group that is not part of

my historic preferences, Not because of likes or dislikes but because they are

more likely to create intolerances due to a lack of exposure.. Asian spices,

specialty cakes and cereals (artichoke Flour as an example). Unusual fruits and

snacks, or fad foods.

I will read about hormones in soy tomorrow, either way I avoid it as I would a

sup or substitution for dairy!

Bill

From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

groups (DOT) com

Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

Kristy Nardini

TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

www.tazzini. com

kristytazzini (DOT) com

Phone: 858.243.1929

Fax: 858.724.1418

P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dahlia

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

groups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

TIA,

Donna

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

son

> >

> > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

me).

> >

> > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

with

> >

> > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

good

> >

> > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

caesin.

> >

> > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > > here do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It's not all soy that is bad. It is the overprocessing of soy that is bad. If

you just eat edamame beans and tofu and soy milk (from a reputable company),

you're all good. All three of these things you can make in your own kitchen.

But when they start turning soy *into* things (like cheese, tofurkey, etc) the

processing process releases estrogen and they are finding that girls that have

had excessive soy products are dealing with precocious puberty and boys'

estrogen levels are high.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Apr 9, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Bill klimas wrote:

> Just curious, I try to keep my son away from any food group that is not part

of my historic preferences, Not because of likes or dislikes but because they

are more likely to create intolerances due to a lack of exposure.. Asian spices,

specialty cakes and cereals (artichoke Flour as an example). Unusual fruits and

snacks, or fad foods.

>

> I will read about hormones in soy tomorrow, either way I avoid it as I would a

sup or substitution for dairy!

> Bill

>

>

>

> From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

>

> Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

>

> groups (DOT) com

>

> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

>

> I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

>

> taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

>

> it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

>

> especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

>

> Kristy Nardini

>

> TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

>

> www.tazzini. com

>

> kristytazzini (DOT) com

>

> Phone: 858.243.1929

>

> Fax: 858.724.1418

>

> P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

>

> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

>

> groups (DOT) com

>

> Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

>

> Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

>

> RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

>

> diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

>

> and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

>

> bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

>

> Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

>

> makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

>

> be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

>

> his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

>

> TIA,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

>

> > >

>

> > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

>

> > >

>

> > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

>

> son

>

> > >

>

> > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

>

> me).

>

> > >

>

> > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

>

> > >

>

> > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

>

> > >

>

> > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

>

> with

>

> > >

>

> > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

>

> > >

>

> > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

>

> good

>

> > >

>

> > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

>

> caesin.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

>

> > >

>

> > > > > here do?

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Cheryl

Very Interesting and I have had arguments with knowledgeable folks as to why

extensively processed wheat is alright and to as why processed soy was bad. Do

you have any evidence as to why highly processed wheat is OK?

Bill

>

> From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

>

> Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

>

> groups (DOT) com

>

> Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

>

> I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

>

> taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

>

> it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

>

> especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

>

> Kristy Nardini

>

> TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

>

> www.tazzini. com

>

> kristytazzini (DOT) com

>

> Phone: 858.243.1929

>

> Fax: 858.724.1418

>

> P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

>

> From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

>

> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

>

> groups (DOT) com

>

> Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

>

> Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

>

> RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

>

> diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

>

> and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

>

> bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

>

> Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

>

> makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

>

> be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

>

> his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

>

> TIA,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

>

> > >

>

> > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

>

> > >

>

> > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

>

> son

>

> > >

>

> > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

>

> me).

>

> > >

>

> > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

>

> > >

>

> > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

>

> > >

>

> > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

>

> with

>

> > >

>

> > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

>

> > >

>

> > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

>

> good

>

> > >

>

> > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

>

> caesin.

>

> > >

>

> > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

>

> > >

>

> > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

>

> > >

>

> > > > > here do?

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Kristy,

For soy has never been a problem. We use Silk on cereal and non-dairy

creamer for cooking things like eggs, muffins or even meatloaf. I guess

each kid has different triggers.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

I don't exactly believe that highly processed wheat is okay, either so no, I

don't. Sorry! I think keeping our food in as natural state as possible is

always better than processing the heck out of it. If the ingredients list on a

box is a paragraph, I don't particularly want to eat it. If I can't pronounce

it, recognize it or it has a numbers in the name, it probably was never meant to

be food. Now don't think I'm perfect, I can't afford to eat as pure as I'd like

unless I become vegan - which isn't likely to happen but I do what I can, when I

can which is all anyone can do.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Apr 11, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Bill klimas wrote:

> Cheryl

> Very Interesting and I have had arguments with knowledgeable folks as to why

extensively processed wheat is alright and to as why processed soy was bad. Do

you have any evidence as to why highly processed wheat is OK?

> Bill

>

>

> >

> > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

> >

> > Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> >

> > groups (DOT) com

> >

> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

> >

> > I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

> >

> > taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

> >

> > it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

> >

> > especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

> >

> > Kristy Nardini

> >

> > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> >

> > www.tazzini. com

> >

> > kristytazzini (DOT) com

> >

> > Phone: 858.243.1929

> >

> > Fax: 858.724.1418

> >

> > P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

> >

> > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

> >

> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

> >

> > groups (DOT) com

> >

> > Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> >

> > Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> >

> > RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> >

> > diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

> >

> > and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

> >

> > bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> >

> > Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> >

> > makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> >

> > be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> >

> > his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

> >

> > TIA,

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> >

> > son

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

> >

> > me).

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> >

> > with

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> >

> > good

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> >

> > caesin.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > here do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree that I can find no science behind the concept that white bread is less

allergenic than wholewheat but I have seen it happen. Whole grains cause hives

and behavior in my son while white bread does not.

Regardless if your son is allergic to wheat he is allergic and it must be

avoided. It sure is easier to be able to compromise slightly in a jam but you

still need to avoid immune triggers and I am sure where the logic comes from,

Not real good but better than not trying.

> >

> > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

> >

> > Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> >

> > groups (DOT) com

> >

> > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

> >

> > I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

> >

> > taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior made

> >

> > it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

> >

> > especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

> >

> > Kristy Nardini

> >

> > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> >

> > www.tazzini. com

> >

> > kristytazzini (DOT) com

> >

> > Phone: 858.243.1929

> >

> > Fax: 858.724.1418

> >

> > P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

> >

> > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

> >

> > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

> >

> > groups (DOT) com

> >

> > Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> >

> > Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> >

> > RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> >

> > diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the protocol

> >

> > and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made a

> >

> > bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> >

> > Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> >

> > makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> >

> > be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> >

> > his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are allowed!

> >

> > TIA,

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF diets

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> >

> > son

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned on

> >

> > me).

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find a

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change his

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> >

> > with

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> >

> > good

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a recipe?)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> >

> > caesin.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> >

> > > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Here's my take on it, for what it's worth. My guess as to what's happening when

someone with an intolerance to wheat can eat highly processed wheat is that it's

likely because they aren't intolerant to everything in it but rather a singular

minute component. Our food is made up of many things, proteins, enzymes, etc,

it's not just " wheat " . In processing, something must be getting removed that

someone can't tolerate, allowing them to eat it. You can be intolerant to a

piece and not the whole and processing takes so much out of our food that many

people can eat things they are typically allergic to because whatever that

component is has been processed out. It becomes much less nutritional but

edible. And then you are looking to do what Dr. G suggests, use bread as a

vehicle for other nutrition, not rely on bread for nutrition.

Cheryl

~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com

~@midian42~

On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Bill klimas wrote:

> I agree that I can find no science behind the concept that white bread is less

allergenic than wholewheat but I have seen it happen. Whole grains cause hives

and behavior in my son while white bread does not.

>

> Regardless if your son is allergic to wheat he is allergic and it must be

avoided. It sure is easier to be able to compromise slightly in a jam but you

still need to avoid immune triggers and I am sure where the logic comes from,

Not real good but better than not trying.

>

>

> > >

> > > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

> > >

> > > Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> > >

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

> > >

> > > I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

> > >

> > > taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior

made

> > >

> > > it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

> > >

> > > especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

> > >

> > > Kristy Nardini

> > >

> > > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> > >

> > > www.tazzini. com

> > >

> > > kristytazzini (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Phone: 858.243.1929

> > >

> > > Fax: 858.724.1418

> > >

> > > P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

> > >

> > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

> > >

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> > >

> > > Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> > >

> > > RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> > >

> > > diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the

protocol

> > >

> > > and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made

a

> > >

> > > bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> > >

> > > Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> > >

> > > makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> > >

> > > be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> > >

> > > his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are

allowed!

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF

diets

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> > >

> > > son

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned

on

> > >

> > > me).

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find

a

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change

his

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> > >

> > > with

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> > >

> > > good

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a

recipe?)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> > >

> > > caesin.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > here do?

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[Guest guest]

Cheryl

i agree. When Dr G told me peanut butter is OK but peanuts were not I research

how they make peanut butter. Yes the only ingredient in natural peanut butter is

peanuts but if you go to the history of peanut butter the machines they use

remove the heart/seed that is the actual growing heart of a nut. The chemicals

in the heart (they are generally very bitter) is very different than peanut

hearts. Most allergy specialists will tell you peanuts and far worse than peanut

butter. Go Figure!

In reality processing can be a simple mechanical process that may well remove a

sheath or heart of the wheat seed. I just have never been able to determine what

that process changes about the chemical composition. It is not necessarily about

preservatives or additives. Most likely it is about taste, hence peanut butter

missing the bitter heart! (And a wide range of hormones and potential triggers

that may well be behind the reaction)

> > >

> > > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

> > >

> > > Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> > >

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

> > >

> > > I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I had

> > >

> > > taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior

made

> > >

> > > it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

> > >

> > > especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

> > >

> > > Kristy Nardini

> > >

> > > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> > >

> > > www.tazzini. com

> > >

> > > kristytazzini (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Phone: 858.243.1929

> > >

> > > Fax: 858.724.1418

> > >

> > > P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

> > >

> > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

> > >

> > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

> > >

> > > groups (DOT) com

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> > >

> > > Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> > >

> > > RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from the

> > >

> > > diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the

protocol

> > >

> > > and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have made

a

> > >

> > > bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> > >

> > > Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> > >

> > > makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think could

> > >

> > > be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy from

> > >

> > > his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are

allowed!

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF

diets

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time, my

> > >

> > > son

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned

on

> > >

> > > me).

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot find

a

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change

his

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and sausage

> > >

> > > with

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to one

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> > >

> > > good

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a

recipe?)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> > >

> > > caesin.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does everyone

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > here do?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Cheryl

That is what gave me insight into this diet. The hearts of peanuts are very

different than the nutrients that are in the halves. In wheat there are similar

structures and a chaff. the outer skin. Whole wheat includes the chaff and

probably a seed heart. If you think about the purpose of the seed the nutrients

come from the bulk and support growth, one part. The heart carries the DNA and

the hormones that start a new life. The chaff protects it from weather and

predators.All are made up of different chemicals. hormones ETC.. . Early hunters

and gathers would shake and toss the seeds before grinding to allow the wind to

remove that part of the seed that was not palatable, still happens in non

industrial cultures, the chaff. Whole Grain contains  all of the parts and the

marketing behind it may well be to increase the profits by reducing the steps.

Not making it more healthy nor digestible and that may well be the problem.

Again I just have not found any science about the immune reaction to what

component of wheat is the problem. If you google Casein there are tons of

studies about what varieties of Casein are a problem, (one published today) that

support this diet.

> > > >

> > > > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@roadrunne r .com>

> > > >

> > > > Subject: RE: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> > > >

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 10:40 AM

> > > >

> > > > I eliminated soy from my son’s diet before we started with Dr. G. I

had

> > > >

> > > > taken him off it for two weeks, then reintroduced it, and his behavior

made

> > > >

> > > > it very clear he did not tolerate soy. Plus, soy kind of freaks me out,

> > > >

> > > > especially for boys. My son has not had soy for 5 years.

> > > >

> > > > Kristy Nardini

> > > >

> > > > TazziniTM Stainless Steel Bottles

> > > >

> > > > www.tazzini. com

> > > >

> > > > kristytazzini (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > Phone: 858.243.1929

> > > >

> > > > Fax: 858.724.1418

> > > >

> > > > P Please consider the environment before printing this email.

> > > >

> > > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

Dahlia

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:17 AM

> > > >

> > > > groups (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > > Subject: Re: Was: Daiya cheese! Now: Disallowed dietary items

> > > >

> > > > Can someone please explain to me why Dr. G has no problem with -- even

> > > >

> > > > RECOMMENDS -- *soy*, but keeps cutting all kinds of other things from

the

> > > >

> > > > diet? I am becoming increasingly frustrated with this aspect of the

protocol

> > > >

> > > > and to be honest, I don't think most of the recent eliminations have

made a

> > > >

> > > > bit of difference.I just hate constantly telling my son that " no, Dr.

> > > >

> > > > Goldberg said you can't have this thing that you love anymore because it

> > > >

> > > > makes you sick, " especially when there are OTHER things that I think

could

> > > >

> > > > be more likely to be causing a problem. I would LIKE to eliminate soy

from

> > > >

> > > > his diet but haven't because none of the comparable substitutes are

allowed!

> > > >

> > > > TIA,

> > > >

> > > > Donna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > Ok, wow! Just discovered that caesin is what has been causing

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > behavioral issues with my son. I have been reading up on GFCF

diets

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > and we have been gluten free since around age 2. (at that time,

my

> > > >

> > > > son

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > had speech; also, he had no milk...only soy...and it just dawned

on

> > > >

> > > > me).

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > So, I have this problem. My son LOVES his GF pizza. I cannot

find a

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > substitute for cheese. What do I do? What do I do?

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I can substitute soy icecream for Mayfield vanilla. I can change

his

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > breakfast from Rice Krispies with milk to Fresh Fruit and

sausage

> > > >

> > > > with

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > juice and filtered water. I can change from Ranch dressing to

one

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > without milk base. (Although, I would like to know how to make a

> > > >

> > > > good

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > tasting caesin free ranch type dressing, if anyone knows a

recipe?)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I can even leave off the margarine, which for us does contain

> > > >

> > > > caesin.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > But I do not know what to do about the cheese!!! What do I do?

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > I saw Veggie Slices, but they have caesin also. What does

everyone

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > here do?

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

But doesn't non-dairy creamer have casein? I checked yesterday and they all did

(all the brands in the local store).

>

> Kristy,

>

> For soy has never been a problem. We use Silk on cereal and non-dairy

> creamer for cooking things like eggs, muffins or even meatloaf. I guess

> each kid has different triggers.

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

>