Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

[Guest guest]

Steve:

I agree with Bobby completely, and can appreciate what you have gone

through with Afib; however, your feedback is misdirected and this is

not the appropriate audience.

Ellen

69 NC

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(snip).The purpose of this group is to help offer support to people

with afib. Not scare them away.

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: steverichfield [mailto:AFIBsupport@s...]

(snip) No, there is no such additional tier as you suggest, just a

few lucky patients for which the middle tier actually works as

intended. (snip)

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[Guest guest]

Bobby:

You and I are operating in different paradigms, and it seems obvious

to me that we will remain that way.

You have yet to see the EXTREME medical value of interrupting things

at the top of the cause and effect chain, despite my numerous attmepts

to explain this, so I won't waste either of our time trying yet

another time. You consider effective symptomatic treatment as being

just as good as a cure where no further medication is necessary, and I

suspect that there are no words that I can write to explain yet again

how this can significantly shorten your life (as it killed both of my

parents and some of my friends).

The point here is that there ARE people in this group who ARE

interested approaches that meet the official definition of a " cure "

(fixing the underlying problem so that no further treatment is

necessary), and who don't count successes in the same way that you do.

Suggestion: Perhaps it is time to split the group in two?! There seems

to be two VERY different groups of participants here:

1. People who are doing the best they can (with widely varying

results) with the standard treatment, and who want to share their ups

and downs.

2. People who reject the substandard treatment and who are looking for

better alternatives.

Alternatively, perhaps is we optionally preface our messages with some

sort of flag, e.g. DOC or ALT, then both of us can fast-forward past

the material that doesn't speak to us.

Steve

===============

> The last poll I took regarding amount of time in afib, 36% (13 out

> of 36 replies) said they they fell into the category:

>

> Normal rhythm but infrequent bouts with afib (more than one month

> between occurrences) (33.33%)

>

> Or

>

> Never (with treatment) (2.78%)

>

> This poll did not discuss methods, but I'm sure that all of those

> people didn't get there by " resetting their temperature " . In fact I

> don't believe any of them did, but I may be wrong.

>

> I believe it would be safe to assume that more than a few of these

> people fall into the " ordinary access " category. That's more than a

> few lucky patients. Same as placebo? Be serious.

>

> The purpose of this group is to help offer support to people with

> afib. Not scare them away.

>

>

> Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

>

> snip

>

> No, there is no such additional tier as you suggest, just a few

> lucky

> patients for which the middle tier actually works as intended.

>

> snip

[Guest guest]

> Fran:

>

> You might try going to a doctor, but NOT telling him that you have

> afib! There are a LOT of causes of dizziness, most of which are

> connected with blood pressure in some way. Telling your doctor

> that you have afib will just limit his thinking. What IS your BP when

> you are having these problems (hint, there are BP machines at Walmart

> and many drug stores)?

>

> An experiment is to drink a bunch of water to push your BP up, and see

> if that helps. We also discussed analyzing your electrolytes.

>

> Low daytime body temperature begets insulin resistant diabetes, so you

> might get an HA1C test for this. It also begets low BP, but it never

> caused me any vertigo when I had it.

>

> In any case, I would get some blood work done if I were were you. Even

> if it fails to tell you what is wrong, it will tell you that a LOT of

> things aren't wrong, which will limit useless speculation.

>

> Steve

I have a BP and HR machine. My BP is about 90/60 at present (this is my

average anyway so it has not changed). My HR is about 55 just now. Before

the 'diet' my BP was lower and heart rate higher. So I have ruled out BP

causing dizziness. There's no other GP I can go too. We have to register

with GP's here and I live very rural so unless I go on holiday..., which is

not an option at the moment. Besides, I've seen my GP on numerous occasions,

and someone at the hospital about this problem before. They came up with

nothing but a prescription of serc and sympathetic noises as 'there's

nothing we can do' (the same story for all the other syndromes I have). I

got given a label by the hospital though. It was Menieres disease. But my GP

says not and I have to agree after reading the symptoms.

I do have my sleep test in a couple of weeks where they may, or may not find

the problem. Its the story of my life. I never get to have the tests when I

need them.

Sorry if this seems off topic. But I am sure it is tied in with whatever

caused/es my AF. Maybe its just that with all the ectopics and missed beats

my heart is not pumping efficiently. It does feel like it could be lack of

oxygen too. Anyway, until it passes.... or I get the King of Hearts or the

sleep test.

Fran

Fran

> ================

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <<4. the REALLY IMPORTANT questions to categorize a

> > > > > > condition are how the condition acts WITHOUT medication.

> WITH

> > > > > > medication, it may (and probably does) act like an entirely

> > > > > different

> > > > > > sort of afib.>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree that a lot of the useful information needs to be

> > > extracted

> > > > > when free

> > > > > > of drugs but this is a BIG problem if your symptoms are so

> bad

> > > that

> > > > > drug free

> > > > > > also means a hospital trip where there will start throwing

> drug

> > > into

> > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <<Also, it would be nice to secure tables like this in

> > > > > > some sort of portable form, e.g. an .MDB file, so I can

> throw it

> > > > > into

> > > > > > ACCESS or EXCEL to do some serious analysis.>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the database section allows you to export as CSV but the

> poll

> > > > > section seems to

> > > > > > be missing this trick.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <<Also, there are a LOT of uncoded responses, which I would

> have

> > > to

> > > > > fix by

> > > > > > hand. Hans' surveys address some of these issues, and I have

> > > asked

> > > > > him for a

> > > > > > cluster analysis, but that hasn't been where his interest

> is.>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ahh, the delights of analysing data it takes me around a

> week

> > > to

> > > > > do the

> > > > > > stats page for the database

> > > > > > (http://www.dialsolutions.com/af/database/stats161.html)

> > > > > > At some point I'd like to spend a week changing the thing so

> it

> > > > > works out more

> > > > > > of the stats automatically.

> > > > > > Tricky job automating a process that you want to be open and

> > > > > flexible.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <<6. So why do I darken your door now that I am " cured " ?

> > > Presuming

> > > > > that

> > > > > > I AM correct that afib is a multiple cause disease, there

> will

> > > be

> > > > > > others sooner or later who find the OTHER causes for me to

> fix

> > > in

> > > > > > myself. If I could just get everyone to take some

> temperatures

> > > and

> > > > > > answer the survey I posted, I would soon have my answer

> > > regarding

> > > > > just

> > > > > > how universal the control system problems are, which would

> help

> > > me

> > > > > > quantify just how significant the other causes are, though

> it

> > > still

> > > > > > won't tell me WHAT they are.>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well you know what I think about taking temperatures -

> jumping

> > > to

> > > > > any

> > > > > > conclusion given inconsistent data you will get from the

> > > internet

> > > > > community

> > > > > > will be crazy in my opinion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <<8. From what I can tell, this group has had a total of 3

> real

> > > > > success

> > > > > > stories during its entire lifetime - worse than expected

> from

> > > the

> > > > > > placebo effect, and worse than from Christian Science. It is

> > > > > important

> > > > > > not only to find the cures to afib, but also to find the

> cures

> > > to

> > > > > our

> > > > > > own organizational dysfunction. Telling someone who makes a

> > > > > suggestion

> > > > > > to " You do the analysis " when I am just trying to guide

> others

> > > who

> > > > > ARE

> > > > > > supposedly already doing the analysis and I am obviously

> already

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > a LOT of other things (some of which you are complaining

> about)

> > > is

> > > > > > counterproductive.>>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > if you take a look at the stats page I think it's a bit

> higher

> > > than

> > > > > this

> > > > > > out of 161 entries

> > > > > > 5 cured

> > > > > > 4 have episodes more than 1 year apart

> > > > > > 7 have episodes longer than 6 months apart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'd don't know if you've entered your details Steve so no

> number

> > > of

> > > > > cured

> > > > > > might be higher still

> > > > > > (It's also worth bearing in mind that the type of folk you

> are

> > > more

> > > > > likely to

> > > > > > see on the internet are the people having trouble. There may

> be

> > > many

> > > > > more out

> > > > > > there who are cured and never even thought about pursuing

> the

> > > > > problem on the

> > > > > > internet. We are certainly not representative of the whole

> AFib

> > > > > community)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All the best

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > D (33, Leeds, UK)

> > > > > > vagal AF for 24 hours every 16 days

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport

> > > > > FAQ -

> > > >

> > >

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm

> > > > > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af

> > > > > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe@y...

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> via

> > > email,

> > > > > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help@y...

> > > > >

> > > > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical

> advice, or

> > > should

> > > > be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/12/2002 4:56:27 PM Central Daylight Time,

AFIBsupport@... writes:

> Alternatively, perhaps is we optionally preface our messages with some

> sort of flag, e.g. DOC or ALT, then both of us can fast-forward past

> the material that doesn't speak to us.

>

>

I would think this is the far better solution than breaking up our group.

Regardless of the various points of view I believe they are all useful to

some degree even if some of us don't agree with a particular theory. But

those who don't want to read a message on a certain topic could certainly

skip them if your suggestion is followed.

Brenta

[Guest guest]

Ok. So I say there is a group of people who have access to ordinary

some members who are doing well. You say that within that group

there are " a few " lucky patients, possibly doing well because of

placebo effect. I am paraphrasing here, of course.

People come here for support and to talk to others that share this

condition. Then they read that if they fall into your middle tier,

which according to your definition they probably do, they will find

relief only if they are one of the " few lucky patients " .

Now you say split the group in two. Now that is what I call EXTREME.

You are free to create a group. Heck, I have nine myself. It is good

to have an idea or common area of interest, create a group for it,

and see what develops. One thing I didn't do is drop into a group,

tell the people that were unhappy that I had the answer, and tell

the people that were happy they had the wrong answer, divvy up the

members and take them away. That's not very nice.

Create a group. Tell the people here about it; they may join if they

would like. If you would rather test the waters, create a poll on

our page to get the feelings of the rest of the group.

Just my 20 cents worth.

Pair-a-dimes.

Get it?

> > The last poll I took regarding amount of time in afib, 36% (13

out

> > of 36 replies) said they they fell into the category:

> >

> > Normal rhythm but infrequent bouts with afib (more than one

month

> > between occurrences) (33.33%)

> >

> > Or

> >

> > Never (with treatment) (2.78%)

> >

> > This poll did not discuss methods, but I'm sure that all of

those

> > people didn't get there by " resetting their temperature " . In

fact I

> > don't believe any of them did, but I may be wrong.

> >

> > I believe it would be safe to assume that more than a few of

these

> > people fall into the " ordinary access " category. That's more

than a

> > few lucky patients. Same as placebo? Be serious.

> >

> > The purpose of this group is to help offer support to people

with

> > afib. Not scare them away.

> >

> >

> > Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

> >

> > snip

> >

> > No, there is no such additional tier as you suggest, just a few

> > lucky

> > patients for which the middle tier actually works as intended.

> >

> > snip

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/12/02 5:56:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

AFIBsupport@... writes:

>

Sorry, unlike Bush, I don't believe that it is easy to divide the

world into " evildoers " and others. Neither can we divide neatly as you

suggest. It is a complex world, and we can learn from everyone. As Vicky

points out, sometimes conventional treatmemtn si what we need, sometimes

something " alternative " . It depends on what works for the particular

individual at the particular time.

[Guest guest]

Dear Fran,

I had a very frightening experience years ago which was attributed to a lack

of salt by my

dietitian. I had been taking a supplement called Capricin for candida which

was only to be

taken for a short period of time and I decided to continue taking it and

apparently depleted

my supply of salt which resulted in a quivering voice and feeling very

shaky. At the time, I

exercised very hard and I tend to perspire a lot. As soon as I increased my

salt intake and

eliminated the Capricin, I was fine.

By the way, Capricin contains 300mg calcium; 150mg magnesium and caprylic

acid.

Hope this helps.

Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

>

>

> > Frances:

> >

> > WOW, what a story! I suspect that if we all put our heads together,

> > that we could figure out a LOT from this. I'll start the speculative

> > ball rolling, then stand aside while others toss it around.

> >

> > You must maintain a particular balance of magnesium, sodium,

> > potassium, and calcium just to make your neurons work right, and

> > balance these with other things to make other non-neural systems work

> > right. A single magnesium pill causing you problems certainly tells me

> > that either your magnesium is high, or more probably, something else

> > is too low. There are cheap and simple lab tests for this, which you

> > should take. If I were you, I would try some salt, salt substitute

> > (potassium chloride), and a calcium pill, with an hour between each of

> > them the next time your afib acts up, to see what fixes you. Perhaps

> > you can find what you are shortest on to upset this balance, and

> > change your dietary habits accordingly.

> >

> > Indeed, you DID change your diet. I suspect that if you carefully

> > analyze both your old diet and your new diet, you will see that your

> > new diet contains more sodium, potassium, or calcium, and/or less

> > magnesium. THAT would be another good place to start.

> >

> > Curiously, magnesium deficiency is the most common of all

> > deficiencies, yet you apparently have too much. VERY interesting.

> >

> > Regarding temperature and symptoms. I have found that there are people

> > who stay low-temp, but who rise up to around 97.9F during the

> > afternoon. These people don't need as much adrenaline to keep going,

> > which is what would otherwise mess up their digestion. What is your

> > afternoon body temperature? If this is you, and if you still have your

> > tonsils, then you might be one of the lucky ones who can reset their

> > body temperatures without medication - just lots of espresso and long

> > hot showers in the morning for a few weeks.

> >

> > Remain observant and you will eventually get to the bottom of your

> > (hopefully former) afib.

> >

> > >From the sound of things, you probably have some organic problem

> > beyond your metabolic control issues (low temp). Keep fixing things

> > and you'll get better and better. You should fix your low temp, not

> > for your afib, but because unless you do, the immune suppression that

> > goes along with low temp will eventually kill you, when you are older

> > and weaker.

> >

> > Steve

> > ================

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > <<4. the REALLY IMPORTANT questions to categorize a

> > > > > condition are how the condition acts WITHOUT medication. WITH

> > > > > medication, it may (and probably does) act like an entirely

> > > > different

> > > > > sort of afib.>>

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree that a lot of the useful information needs to be

> > extracted

> > > > when free

> > > > > of drugs but this is a BIG problem if your symptoms are so bad

> > that

> > > > drug free

> > > > > also means a hospital trip where there will start throwing drug

> > into

> > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <<Also, it would be nice to secure tables like this in

> > > > > some sort of portable form, e.g. an .MDB file, so I can throw it

> > > > into

> > > > > ACCESS or EXCEL to do some serious analysis.>>

> > > > >

> > > > > the database section allows you to export as CSV but the poll

> > > > section seems to

> > > > > be missing this trick.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <<Also, there are a LOT of uncoded responses, which I would have

> > to

> > > > fix by

> > > > > hand. Hans' surveys address some of these issues, and I have

> > asked

> > > > him for a

> > > > > cluster analysis, but that hasn't been where his interest is.>>

> > > > >

> > > > > Ahh, the delights of analysing data it takes me around a week

> > to

> > > > do the

> > > > > stats page for the database

> > > > > (http://www.dialsolutions.com/af/database/stats161.html)

> > > > > At some point I'd like to spend a week changing the thing so it

> > > > works out more

> > > > > of the stats automatically.

> > > > > Tricky job automating a process that you want to be open and

> > > > flexible.....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <<6. So why do I darken your door now that I am " cured " ?

> > Presuming

> > > > that

> > > > > I AM correct that afib is a multiple cause disease, there will

> > be

> > > > > others sooner or later who find the OTHER causes for me to fix

> > in

> > > > > myself. If I could just get everyone to take some temperatures

> > and

> > > > > answer the survey I posted, I would soon have my answer

> > regarding

> > > > just

> > > > > how universal the control system problems are, which would help

> > me

> > > > > quantify just how significant the other causes are, though it

> > still

> > > > > won't tell me WHAT they are.>>

> > > > >

> > > > > Well you know what I think about taking temperatures - jumping

> > to

> > > > any

> > > > > conclusion given inconsistent data you will get from the

> > internet

> > > > community

> > > > > will be crazy in my opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <<8. From what I can tell, this group has had a total of 3 real

> > > > success

> > > > > stories during its entire lifetime - worse than expected from

> > the

> > > > > placebo effect, and worse than from Christian Science. It is

> > > > important

> > > > > not only to find the cures to afib, but also to find the cures

> > to

> > > > our

> > > > > own organizational dysfunction. Telling someone who makes a

> > > > suggestion

> > > > > to " You do the analysis " when I am just trying to guide others

> > who

> > > > ARE

> > > > > supposedly already doing the analysis and I am obviously already

> > > > doing

> > > > > a LOT of other things (some of which you are complaining about)

> > is

> > > > > counterproductive.>>

> > > > >

> > > > > if you take a look at the stats page I think it's a bit higher

> > than

> > > > this

> > > > > out of 161 entries

> > > > > 5 cured

> > > > > 4 have episodes more than 1 year apart

> > > > > 7 have episodes longer than 6 months apart

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd don't know if you've entered your details Steve so no number

> > of

> > > > cured

> > > > > might be higher still

> > > > > (It's also worth bearing in mind that the type of folk you are

> > more

> > > > likely to

> > > > > see on the internet are the people having trouble. There may be

> > many

> > > > more out

> > > > > there who are cured and never even thought about pursuing the

> > > > problem on the

> > > > > internet. We are certainly not representative of the whole AFib

> > > > community)

> > > > >

> > > > > All the best

> > > > > --

> > > > > D (33, Leeds, UK)

> > > > > vagal AF for 24 hours every 16 days

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Web Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport

> > > > FAQ -

> > >

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AFIBsupport/files/Administrative/faq.htm

> > > > For more information: http://www.dialsolutions.com/af

> > > > Unsubscribe: AFIBsupport-unsubscribe@y...

> > > > List owner: AFIBsupport-owner@y...

> > > > For help on how to use the group, including how to drive it via

> > email,

> > > > send a blank email to AFIBsupport-help@y...

> > > >

> > > > Nothing in this message should be considered as medical advice, or

> > should

> > > be acted upon without consultation with one's physician.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I think this is a silly idea. I read all the posts, even those with which I

disagree because I have an open mind and like to read what everyone

writes.

Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

> >

> > snip

> >

> > No, there is no such additional tier as you suggest, just a few

> > lucky

> > patients for which the middle tier actually works as intended.

> >

> > snip

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vicky,

The discussion regarding calcium and magnesium supplementation reminds me

of a statement

made by a friend of mine in Germany who is also a physician; potassium is

probably more

important than magnesium.

Can you or anyone else address this statement. Fran's statement about

balance strikes a chord with me because of the experimentation with

supplements I do and fail to meed with

success.

I recently stopped taking HRT meds while waiting for a shipment of meds from

Canada (actually, I ran out) and noticed a return of afib. I had occasion

to watch a very interesting

Oprah show recently and have since pick up the book by her guest, Christiane

Northrup, MD and she said arrhythmias are not unusual for the perimenopausal

woman due to a lack

of progesterone. As soon as I began taking progesterone again, the

intensity subsided, but

I'm left with occasional afibs even though I'm taking Flecainide/Tambocor.

I think this

connection bears some thought.

Re: Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

> on Thu, 11 Apr 2002 at 18:44:45, Frances Ross

> wrote :

>

> (Lots, snipped)

>

> Fran,

>

> What I would say from my own experience is that whilst we all need to be

> aware that what we eat and supplement is important, it is also very

> important to get a good balance.

>

> At one point just before my AF got worse, I was able to stop attacks by

> still being VERY careful what I eat, but it eventually got that I had to

> be SO careful, I was eating basically a very poor diet, lost a lot of

> weight, lost a lot of energy, etc. Since discovering my wheat

> sensitivity and eliminating that, and now particularly with drinking

> much more water, I have returned to a much broader diet, have stopped

> being largely vegetarian, and I do feel better " in myself " . The other

> thing was I was taking the wrong balance of Mg and Ca. I was

> supplementing Mg but not Ca, and felt I was getting enough Ca from my

> diet, but clearly I wasn't, since my nails starting cracking like crazy.

>

> Of course everyone's case will be different, and I doubt yours will be

> the same or even similar to mine, but the point I am making is keep your

> diet varied and don't rely too much on supplements. Even the very

> pro-vits types agree that getting what you need from food is usually

> better.

>

> Best of health to all,

> Vicky

>

> London, UK, 1954 model

> http://www.vagalafibportal.fsnet.co.uk/

>

> " R-ecapture H-earing Y-our T-rue H-eart M-elody " - R.

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Steve,

I think this is a silly idea and I read posts with which I disagree. Open

mind and all that.

Re: Triggers , was: Amalgam removal, etc.

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on Thu, 25 Apr 2002 at 15:25:17, MacRae wrote :

>The discussion regarding calcium and magnesium supplementation reminds me

>of a statement

>made by a friend of mine in Germany who is also a physician; potassium is

>probably more

>important than magnesium.

The following supports this:

Clin Cardiol 1992 Feb;15(2):103-8

Is hypomagnesemia arrhythmogenic?

Millane TA, Ward DE, Camm AJ.

Department of Cardiological Sciences, St. 's Hospital Medical

School, London, England.

An understanding of the role of magnesium in cardiac conduction is

complicated by the multiplicity of intracellular events coordinated by

the magnesium ion. Several reports have cited magnesium deficiency as

the cause of a variety of ventricular and supraventricular arrhythmias.

On further inspection, the circumstances of each report strongly suggest

the coexistence of significant potassium depletion; isolated

hypomagnesemia as a cause of arrhythmia is not reported. This discussion

brings together new data from basic science with that of clinical

research to refute the suggestion that isolated hypomagnesemia is

arrhythmogenic. However, there is sufficient evidence to indicate that

hypomagnesemia will significantly exacerbate the proarrhythmic effect of

hypokalemia, particularly if occurring in the presence of digoxin

toxicity. Potassium and magnesium depletion are commonly concomitant,

and simultaneous repletion of both ions in the presence of

hypokalemia-induced arrhythmia would be both logical and effective. The

beneficial effects of intravenous magnesium in the acute control of

ventricular tachyarrhythmia are concluded to occur as a result of a

separate antiarrhythmic action, quite independent of underlying

magnesium balance.

PMID: 1371093

Best of health to all,

Vicky

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