Zeolites?

[Guest guest]

Edith, My doc is a big supporter of Zeolites and I tried it - only

one drop and wow!! It was too much for me - but I have to go VERY

slowly with all of this stuff. I hope to go back to it because I

noticed within 12hours the effects. It may sound strange but when I

am detoxing mercury I can feel it " pulling " on my left side of my face

and eye. It was pretty intense, along with a headache like what I get

with the MCS. My son and husband taking 3-4 drops easily.

>

> I am curious aboiut zeolites, which I had never heard of until I

joinesd this list. I did google them, but it would help if those of

you who use zeolites would share your stories: how do you use it,

daily or pulsing, in weak doses or in strong doses, any effects you

feel (or felt then got used to) or special care you take when on them

(rest, fluids)?

>

> Thanks,

> Edith

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Edith, I did. It was strong in the beginning, for a few days, but

then the effect just went down. I don't believe the wonders of the

product it it's taken for a long time. It did help me, I still take

it, but in lower doses.

I heard of people taking it as a first metal detox, they had trouble

with it. I would start with chlorella first, then only add zeolites

when cholorella has cleaned up the blood and intestines. It takes

weeks/ few months to do that.

Or you could just try to buy one bottle of Destroxin, take one

capsule and check your reaction?

I don't believe zeolite " only " as a detoxifier. It's not strong

enough, at least for pulling heavy metals our of cells (my own

experience).

I used Destroxin, when the bottle ended, I used the powder and

encapsulate myself. My doses were 3-4 capsules a day, but some people

get real sick with this dose (if you haven't detoxified with other

things before). Now I'm on 2-3 capsules a day, but I guess I'll give

it a break soon. I still preffer my combo chlorella + NDF as main

long term detoxifiers. Zeolite is a help, like chitosan, for

example...

Selma

>

> I am curious aboiut zeolites, which I had never heard of until I

joinesd this list. I did google them, but it would help if those of

you who use zeolites would share your stories: how do you use it,

daily or pulsing, in weak doses or in strong doses, any effects you

feel (or felt then got used to) or special care you take when on them

(rest, fluids)?

>

> Thanks,

> Edith

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels

> in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma !

What is NDF?

I am taking Clorella form Nature`s balance ,CLNZ Bio challenge

Chelation,Detoxone for metals , and Detoxone for chemicals( to help my left

Kidney that was frozen from chemicals) .I started feeling better and my

degestive system is not bloocked anymore and my left kidney is better ( I have

some otehr herbs combinations for kidney support that he created for me).I think

muscle testing it is really a good option befor you take anything.Last week I

had weird paid in my head ,pain and very very fogy and heavy head and now it got

better .My chiropracticor added Spanish Black Radish because of the way I was

feeling and my lymps system was overlodaded and was having cloged ears...Now

that I added Spanish Black Radish I feel better.I even slept 8 hrs .He said that

the Spanish Black Radish will help to draw the metals more efficently in the

lymps system and it is working for me.

How long did you take clorella? I have `s book and he says that Clorella

is not good but so far I am Ok . He says that it gives a help in the beggining

and than you get worse but at the end of year you get better again and get

results but not as DMSA ,ALA , DMPS taken orally.These are the best options

taken orally and it does not make you good at the begining and that feel worse

later as any other option and in a few months you get really better and exstract

more metals out of your body than any chelators.

VJ:)

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Edith, I did. It was strong in the beginning, for a few days, but

then the effect just went down. I don't believe the wonders of the

product it it's taken for a long time. It did help me, I still take

it, but in lower doses.

I heard of people taking it as a first metal detox, they had trouble

with it. I would start with chlorella first, then only add zeolites

when cholorella has cleaned up the blood and intestines. It takes

weeks/ few months to do that.

Or you could just try to buy one bottle of Destroxin, take one

capsule and check your reaction?

I don't believe zeolite " only " as a detoxifier. It's not strong

enough, at least for pulling heavy metals our of cells (my own

experience).

I used Destroxin, when the bottle ended, I used the powder and

encapsulate myself. My doses were 3-4 capsules a day, but some people

get real sick with this dose (if you haven't detoxified with other

things before). Now I'm on 2-3 capsules a day, but I guess I'll give

it a break soon. I still preffer my combo chlorella + NDF as main

long term detoxifiers. Zeolite is a help, like chitosan, for

example...

Selma

[Guest guest]

Hi VJ,

I don't know what is Detoxone. I googled, but couldn't really find

it, I think... I found detoxone.org...

How do you take this Spanish Black Radish? Without chlorella?

Separately. Capsules, tincture?

Clogged lymph system: manual lymph drainage works very fast (less

than 20 minutes, you'll feel better)!

I'm taking chlorella for about a year. I know Cutler doesn't think

it's good. The problem is that I use what my naturopath recommended,

she's got many years of experience with chelation. I can't just add

new things by myself without muscle testing, without experience. In

this area - heavy metals - any mistake I do, I will pay

very 'expensive' with my health, I'm pretty sure.

I can take herbs by myself for lyme, etc, but I dont' feel

knowledgeable on metal detoxing to do things by myself. Way too

dangerous to do without guidance, in my opinion. And guidance of

someone that has been doing that for many many years.

So I'm on dr. K's protocol for metal chelation. It takes time, it's

not easy on my body (except for chlorella, that's the easiest part,

if I take loads of it).

He uses NDF-Plus, Phospholipid Exchange, google, you'll find them.

I'm on 3 drops/ day still, and not every day. It's still my first

bottle since I started chelation last year, I still react very

strong. Head, eyes get clearer, I feel pull on my joints, but then I

get the awful fatigue, lymph blocked, liver pain, hunger, etc. It's

been like this for a year. I'm getting tired to do this metal

cleansing...

I wonder if there's no other faster solution. But at the same time,

I'm dead scared of pulling excessive metals at once, as I know what

these awful metals do.....

What's your experience with Detoxone + S. b. Radish?

Selma

> Hi Selma !

> What is NDF?

> I am taking Clorella form Nature`s balance ,CLNZ Bio challenge

Chelation,Detoxone for metals , and Detoxone for chemicals( to help

my left Kidney that was frozen from chemicals) .I started feeling

better and my degestive system is not bloocked anymore and my left

kidney is better ( I have some otehr herbs combinations for kidney

support that he created for me).I think muscle testing it is really a

good option befor you take anything.Last week I had weird paid in my

head ,pain and very very fogy and heavy head and now it got

better .My chiropracticor added Spanish Black Radish because of the

way I was feeling and my lymps system was overlodaded and was having

cloged ears...Now that I added Spanish Black Radish I feel better.I

even slept 8 hrs .He said that the Spanish Black Radish will help to

draw the metals more efficently in the lymps system and it is working

for me.

>

> How long did you take clorella? I have `s book and he says

that Clorella is not good but so far I am Ok . He says that it gives

a help in the beggining and than you get worse but at the end of year

you get better again and get results but not as DMSA ,ALA , DMPS

taken orally.These are the best options taken orally and it does not

make you good at the begining and that feel worse later as any other

option and in a few months you get really better and exstract more

metals out of your body than any chelators.

>

>

> VJ:)

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma!

You are right .I am going with what my chirop. is giving me and it is giving a

great result.I can tell that the last 3 days ( thank Good ) I am feeling Ok ...

My ND gave me Detoxosode that is for metals( homepathic formula that is for

the relief of fatigue and to assist the bodily systems`s natural efforts to

return to homeostatis).I take a cup( t tsp) a day for it in the morning when I

wake up.

As for Spanish Black radish it is a tablet and I take 2 tablets in the morning

and goes at the same time with Clorella ( 3 pills ). In the evening I am

supposed to take 3 pills of Clorella and 1 tablets of Spanish Black Radish.It

worked right away when I started , my ears do not get clogged anymore anf I know

that it is helping with my lymp system.

So in the morning I take : Clorella 3 pills , Spanish BR 2 tablets ,

Detoxosode 1 cup ,and the herbs against viruses ( I am loaded ) and others to

support the kidney ...

In the evening -dinner time I take again 3 clorella Pills ,1 tablets Spanish

BR, and the herbs.

Before I go to bed I get 1capsule BIO Systemic Formulas *Bio Challenge /CLNZ*

and I take another CUP of Detoxosode for Chemicals this time,to clean the

chemicals from my kindey.

When she checked me for the first time she said that I was overlodaded in

chemicals and metals.I know I had 2 bridges 4 left and 4 right jaw ,lower

side,and 5 caps upper jaw ,10 root canals ,one had mercury totto .The best

thing that I ever did was the removal of the root canals and metals.Now I am

cleaning the metals.I have done tons of cleansings last years.I used DR

Shultze`s formulas, #1 , #2 , Kidney , Liver , 2 months Cabot ( liver

doctor ) took her products , did coffe enema since a year ago , 6 months

physical therapy for the back and lvier pain , Did Hulda`s Clarck program ,

clarck bottle for parasite cleansings , Co-Q 10 -5 dossage , Mop up program

with cystine and vitamin E , did ozonated oil ...tha is where my cystes of my

root canls came up and I start herxhing and I thought I will have a heart

attack .My mistake was I should have never used L-Cystine without getting the

metals and the root canlas out of my mouth.So one of the root canals that was

done many many years ago had mercury ( I am afraid that this agravated the

symptoms).

Since I removed them completly and starting detoxing and clorella the signs

of herxhing and the movements of my eye , weird feelings on my spine , brain fog

etc ...all of them seems to go away,I am not sure How long will last but so far

I have never felt better since Ocotober 2005 when I fainted 3 times within 48

hrs with stiff neck ,could not create a sentence ...etc.So all the detox that I

did helped to keep me going as a zambie ,but as HULDA says , get out your metals

and in a few days they will start living the body.Also I was doing salt and

vitamin c and getting all the bottle of the other chiropracticor at the dentist

office for lymps system .I was using olive leaf exstract for the root canals

....etc,,,( did 6 liver flushes ).never thought I had Lyme .

But I guess only when you completly remove your metals and you do the detox

...than you see more results.

I hope that will help somebody out there.I spent $$$ thinking I am detoxing my

self...but I was wrong .As long as you have your metals in your mouth ..your

liver and your body will be loaded in 2 weeks even when you do liver flushes.

My symptoms started several years ago.I had emotional things going on and the

loss of my mother .I think the emotional situation it is very important .I start

flaring up for hrs.never thought it was lyme.I thought is depression.I was

wrong.I had lyme since 4-5 years when my anxiety showed up.

SORRY to be that long .Maybe somebody else is trying to figure out why and how

things happened.At least they will understand that start with your mouth and do

the detox for the metals with a doctor ( not like me that used L-Cystine ) and

in the mean time use Salt and vitamin c than start killing the bugs.I will start

Buhner when I am done with detoxing so the results are better ...also ..I am

trying to strengthen the GI track so it can handle all these herbs.

I am going to continue on detoxing of metals ..so the herbs can really work

Thanks Selma!

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Hi VJ,

I don't know what is Detoxone. I googled, but couldn't really find

it, I think... I found detoxone.org...

How do you take this Spanish Black Radish? Without chlorella?

Separately. Capsules, tincture?

Clogged lymph system: manual lymph drainage works very fast (less

than 20 minutes, you'll feel better)!

I'm taking chlorella for about a year. I know Cutler doesn't think

it's good. The problem is that I use what my naturopath recommended,

she's got many years of experience with chelation. I can't just add

new things by myself without muscle testing, without experience. In

this area - heavy metals - any mistake I do, I will pay

very 'expensive' with my health, I'm pretty sure.

I can take herbs by myself for lyme, etc, but I dont' feel

knowledgeable on metal detoxing to do things by myself. Way too

dangerous to do without guidance, in my opinion. And guidance of

someone that has been doing that for many many years.

So I'm on dr. K's protocol for metal chelation. It takes time, it's

not easy on my body (except for chlorella, that's the easiest part,

if I take loads of it).

He uses NDF-Plus, Phospholipid Exchange, google, you'll find them.

I'm on 3 drops/ day still, and not every day. It's still my first

bottle since I started chelation last year, I still react very

strong. Head, eyes get clearer, I feel pull on my joints, but then I

get the awful fatigue, lymph blocked, liver pain, hunger, etc. It's

been like this for a year. I'm getting tired to do this metal

cleansing...

I wonder if there's no other faster solution. But at the same time,

I'm dead scared of pulling excessive metals at once, as I know what

these awful metals do.....

What's your experience with Detoxone + S. b. Radish?

Selma

[Guest guest]

VJ, thanks for sharing your story!

It's amazing the ways that bring people together here... I'm glad

your detoxing is doing good results.

I didn't really understand how this spanish BR work in your metal

detox protocol, but the important thing is that you're feeling

better. I know chlorella only detox extracellular, so I suppose

you're taking other stuff to detox intracellular.

What did you end doing in your mouth? If you had so many bridges, I

suppose you have now a partial protese?

Yes, I guess we can't 'play' with metal cleansing without experience.

That's the only thing that I'm really afraid to do solo, because I

now know a bit of what these awful metals did/ do to my body...

Glad to see you found a good practioner to help you. And thanks a lot

for sharing your mouth cleansing experience. I start to be convinced

this is true.

Selma

> Hi Selma!

> You are right .I am going with what my chirop. is giving me and

it is giving a great result.I can tell that the last 3 days ( thank

Good ) I am feeling Ok ...

> My ND gave me Detoxosode that is for metals( homepathic formula

that is for the relief of fatigue and to assist the bodily systems`s

natural efforts to return to homeostatis).I take a cup( t tsp) a day

for it in the morning when I wake up.

> As for Spanish Black radish it is a tablet and I take 2 tablets

in the morning and goes at the same time with Clorella ( 3 pills ).

In the evening I am supposed to take 3 pills of Clorella and 1

tablets of Spanish Black Radish.It worked right away when I started ,

my ears do not get clogged anymore anf I know that it is helping with

my lymp system.

> So in the morning I take : Clorella 3 pills , Spanish BR 2

tablets , Detoxosode 1 cup ,and the herbs against viruses ( I am

loaded ) and others to support the kidney ...

> In the evening -dinner time I take again 3 clorella Pills ,1

tablets Spanish BR, and the herbs.

> Before I go to bed I get 1capsule BIO Systemic Formulas *Bio

Challenge /CLNZ* and I take another CUP of Detoxosode for

Chemicals this time,to clean the chemicals from my kindey.

> When she checked me for the first time she said that I was

overlodaded in chemicals and metals.I know I had 2 bridges 4 left and

4 right jaw ,lower side,and 5 caps upper jaw ,10 root canals ,one had

mercury totto .The best thing that I ever did was the removal of the

root canals and metals.Now I am cleaning the metals.I have done tons

of cleansings last years.I used DR Shultze`s formulas, #1 , #2 ,

Kidney , Liver , 2 months Cabot ( liver doctor ) took her

products , did coffe enema since a year ago , 6 months physical

therapy for the back and lvier pain , Did Hulda`s Clarck program ,

clarck bottle for parasite cleansings , Co-Q 10 -5 dossage , Mop up

program with cystine and vitamin E , did ozonated oil ...tha is where

my cystes of my root canls came up and I start herxhing and I thought

I will have a heart attack .My mistake was I should have never used

L-Cystine without getting the metals and the root canlas out of my

mouth.So one of the root canals that was

> done many many years ago had mercury ( I am afraid that this

agravated the symptoms).

> Since I removed them completly and starting detoxing and

clorella the signs of herxhing and the movements of my eye , weird

feelings on my spine , brain fog etc ...all of them seems to go

away,I am not sure How long will last but so far I have never felt

better since Ocotober 2005 when I fainted 3 times within 48 hrs with

stiff neck ,could not create a sentence ...etc.So all the detox that

I did helped to keep me going as a zambie ,but as HULDA says , get

out your metals and in a few days they will start living the

body.Also I was doing salt and vitamin c and getting all the bottle

of the other chiropracticor at the dentist office for lymps system .I

was using olive leaf exstract for the root canals ...etc,,,( did 6

liver flushes ).never thought I had Lyme .

> But I guess only when you completly remove your metals and you do

the detox ..than you see more results.

>

> I hope that will help somebody out there.I spent $$$ thinking I

am detoxing my self...but I was wrong .As long as you have your

metals in your mouth ..your liver and your body will be loaded in 2

weeks even when you do liver flushes.

>

> My symptoms started several years ago.I had emotional things

going on and the loss of my mother .I think the emotional situation

it is very important .I start flaring up for hrs.never thought it was

lyme.I thought is depression.I was wrong.I had lyme since 4-5 years

when my anxiety showed up.

> SORRY to be that long .Maybe somebody else is trying to figure

out why and how things happened.At least they will understand that

start with your mouth and do the detox for the metals with a doctor (

not like me that used L-Cystine ) and in the mean time use Salt and

vitamin c than start killing the bugs.I will start Buhner when I am

done with detoxing so the results are better ...also ..I am trying to

strengthen the GI track so it can handle all these herbs.

>

> I am going to continue on detoxing of metals ..so the herbs can

really work

>

> Thanks Selma!

>

> selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

> Hi VJ,

>

> I don't know what is Detoxone. I googled, but couldn't really find

> it, I think... I found detoxone.org...

>

> How do you take this Spanish Black Radish? Without chlorella?

> Separately. Capsules, tincture?

>

> Clogged lymph system: manual lymph drainage works very fast (less

> than 20 minutes, you'll feel better)!

>

> I'm taking chlorella for about a year. I know Cutler doesn't think

> it's good. The problem is that I use what my naturopath

recommended,

> she's got many years of experience with chelation. I can't just add

> new things by myself without muscle testing, without experience. In

> this area - heavy metals - any mistake I do, I will pay

> very 'expensive' with my health, I'm pretty sure.

>

> I can take herbs by myself for lyme, etc, but I dont' feel

> knowledgeable on metal detoxing to do things by myself. Way too

> dangerous to do without guidance, in my opinion. And guidance of

> someone that has been doing that for many many years.

>

> So I'm on dr. K's protocol for metal chelation. It takes time, it's

> not easy on my body (except for chlorella, that's the easiest part,

> if I take loads of it).

>

> He uses NDF-Plus, Phospholipid Exchange, google, you'll find them.

> I'm on 3 drops/ day still, and not every day. It's still my first

> bottle since I started chelation last year, I still react very

> strong. Head, eyes get clearer, I feel pull on my joints, but then

I

> get the awful fatigue, lymph blocked, liver pain, hunger, etc. It's

> been like this for a year. I'm getting tired to do this metal

> cleansing...

>

> I wonder if there's no other faster solution. But at the same time,

> I'm dead scared of pulling excessive metals at once, as I know what

> these awful metals do.....

>

> What's your experience with Detoxone + S. b. Radish?

>

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

Waste of money. They do not chelate metals.

TJ

________________________________

From: Rose Rudolph <roserudolph55@...>

autism treatment ; ;

mb12 valtrex

Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 1:48:22 PM

Subject: [ ] ZEOLITES?

 

Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

Rose

[Guest guest]

I gave some drops to my brother for his dog who had developed kidney problems

due to melamine-contaminated chicken snacks from China. They helped her get

better so I think they do something...I have taken a few drops in water once

after a rare night of heavy alcohol consumption and had absolutely no hangover

the next day. Though they have not been shown to chelate metals, perhaps

zeolites might help encase loose toxins - sort of like activated charcoal.

> ________________________________

> From: Rose Rudolph <roserudolph55@...>

> autism treatment ; ;

mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 1:48:22 PM

> Subject: [ ] ZEOLITES?

> Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

>

> Rose

[Guest guest]

>

> Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

>

> Rose

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Somehow zeolites defy the laws of chemistry? $120 for volcanic ash? Really. The

reaction you report because he drank a bottle of this does not prove it chelates

anything at all.

Zeolites seem to be beneficial for some children due to their effects on the gut

(absorbing bad stuff) but there is no evidence they chelate metals, other than

the information from the companies that sell it.

Please search the archives on Zeolites as this has been discussed hundreds of

times and Andy has explained why this is not a chelator.

Jan

> >

> > Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

> >

> > Rose

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

TROLL...

________________________________

From: <ccjeb4@...>

Sent: Sat, December 26, 2009 9:23:06 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: ZEOLITES?

 

>

> Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

>

> Rose

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have also tried NCD Zeolite for my daughter, one full bottle without any

improvement. My daughter is a pretty good responder for most biomedical

interventions including MB-12, TD-DMPS and now DMSA/ALA. But with Zeolite, there

is no effect, neither positive nor negative. So, my opinion on Zeolite is

neutral, that means waste of money. All it's got is placebo effect.

I will not use any Zeolite until and unless a credible biomedical expert does

some studies to evaluate its efficacy.

regards,

Ragha

> >

> > Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

> >

> > Rose

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Expensive dirt I beleive is what Andy called these.

> > >

> > > Anyone using these drops for chelating or just overall immune function?

> > >

> > > Rose

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Has anybody taken or given their child something called Zeolites? Does it have

any place in ? If anybody has any experience with it, can you tell me if you

thought it was beneficial?

Thanks,

Bridget

[Guest guest]

My friend use to sell this product. It was pretty interesting

and made sense logically considering the toxins we eat

daily, breathe in daily and the toxic world we live in as per

Dr. Doris Rapp (has books on this topic, as well). But it

may be too good to be true. I tried it personally but not

long enough to feel any major difference.

Go with your instincts. Also foot detox baths are beneficial

for our children considering the amount of meds they take

daily.

Who really has all the answers?

Michele Davies

Greenville, SC

[Guest guest]

hi,

zeolites are a kind of chelators(made from volcano ashes and sea water), they

are used to pull out heavy metals and toxines in the body. I'm still looking for

a toxicologist to discuss how safe they are, because I've read that chelation

puts a big burden on some of the body organs and the patient must undergo

supplement intake, because chelators tend to pull out minirals as well as heavy

metals and toxins from the body. Chelation itself is very beneficial for

autistic children because most if not all autistic children have heavy metal

poisoning. I think you should consider 2 points if you want to do any kind of

chelation.

- The stregnth of your childs organs(liver, kidneys)

- What supplements should be given and their quantities according to age and

weight to re-supply the body with the lost minirals. This is a very important

point considered sometimes as more important than the chelation itself.