Re: Bipolar

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sharon, I am trying to get her mother to have her tested but they

live in SC and will have trouble finding a LLMD there. I will do the

best I can ASAP. Thanks for caring, Lovey

On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:27:51 -0500 " melillo " <mellillo1@...> writes:

> From: " melillo " <mellillo1@...>

>

> Lovey,

> I was concerned about your post because Mike was misdiagnosed for a

> year as

> schizophrenic when it was lyme vasculitis of the brain causing

> hypoprofusion. Don't let it slide if you think it is Bb cause it

> can really

> cause long term problems that we are now dealing with. A SPECT scan

> would

> help to determine if there is brain involvement from a bacterial

> infection.

> Sharon

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

JoAnn,

Damage to the left frontal cortex (around F3), resulting in excessive slow activity there relative to right, often results in depression; conversely, damage to the right frontal cortex (around F4), resulting in excessive slow activity there relative to left, often results in mania. It would seem that a true bipolar might shift back and forth between overactive left and then right frontal areas.

I would have to say, however, that I've seen a lot of adults diagnosed bipolar who appeared to fall into the Filtering/Control category--and responded nicely to that approach. All that oscillates is not bipolar.

I think your idea of doing a full assessment is a good one. I would look for balance between the hemispheres and see what the frontal areas look like.

I have found the old T3/Fp1 and T4/Fp1 protocol works nicely. BTW, if you go to that website I posted earlier (it's also in the files area with the one Lynn posted), they have jumper cables for about $7. With one of those, you should be able to plug a single lead (say at Fp1) into the reference plugs on both channels, so you could do both protocols at once AFTER you have tried them independently and adjusted them.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: biocenterflorida@... [mailto:biocenterflorida@...]Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: BipolarHas anyone worked with bipolar adults? I have a new client coming in tomorrow, who has been was diagnosed several years ago with this condition. She is off all medication, and seems a like she might be in a manic phase, although she reports she is just not depressed at this time. It is like bipolar to get into a manic phase and stop medication. I have not done any NF on this population, and wanted some advice on how to proceed, after I run the assessment. Perhaps I will need to share the data, but I guess I have some concerns with treatment success in this population. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Best,JoAnn

[Guest guest]

Lots of folks who have been dx'd bipolar are actually

Bordereline, and the medical model supports the

misnomer because it puts them more squarely into the

domain of psychopharmocology. Just my opinion. On the

other hand, it would be interesting to know what kinds

of brainwave correlations/similarities one would find

between these two (over-lapping) diagnostic entities.

They both experience disregulation of arousal set

point. I think the Othmars believe you just crank them

up when they are down, and down when they are up,

until they can do it without NF.

--- biocenterflorida@... wrote:

> Has anyone worked with bipolar adults? I have a new

> client coming in

> tomorrow, who has been was diagnosed several years

> ago with this condition.

> She is off all medication, and seems a like she

> might be in a manic phase,

> although she reports she is just not depressed at

> this time. It is like

> bipolar to get into a manic phase and stop

> medication. I have not done any NF

> on this population, and wanted some advice on how to

> proceed, after I run the

> assessment. Perhaps I will need to share the data,

> but I guess I have some

> concerns with treatment success in this population.

> Any feedback would be

> greatly appreciated. Thanks!

> Best,

> JoAnn

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Pete wrote:I would have to say, however, that I've

seen a lot of adults diagnosed bipolar who appeared to

fall into the Filtering/Control category--and

responded nicely to that approach. All that

oscillates is not bipolar.]

Filtering/control is Cingulate Gyrus?

--- Van Deusen <pvdadp@...> wrote:

> JoAnn,

>

> Damage to the left frontal cortex (around F3),

> resulting in excessive slow

> activity there relative to right, often results in

> depression; conversely,

> damage to the right frontal cortex (around F4),

> resulting in excessive slow

> activity there relative to left, often results in

> mania. It would seem that

> a true bipolar might shift back and forth between

> overactive left and then

> right frontal areas.

>

> I would have to say, however, that I've seen a lot

> of adults diagnosed

> bipolar who appeared to fall into the

> Filtering/Control category--and

> responded nicely to that approach. All that

> oscillates is not bipolar.

>

> I think your idea of doing a full assessment is a

> good one. I would look

> for balance between the hemispheres and see what the

> frontal areas look

> like.

>

> I have found the old T3/Fp1 and T4/Fp1 protocol

> works nicely. BTW, if you

> go to that website I posted earlier (it's also in

> the files area with the

> one Lynn posted), they have jumper cables for about

> $7. With one of those,

> you should be able to plug a single lead (say at

> Fp1) into the reference

> plugs on both channels, so you could do both

> protocols at once AFTER you

> have tried them independently and adjusted them.

>

> Pete

> Bipolar

>

>

> Has anyone worked with bipolar adults? I have a

> new client coming in

> tomorrow, who has been was diagnosed several years

> ago with this

> condition.

> She is off all medication, and seems a like she

> might be in a manic phase,

> although she reports she is just not depressed at

> this time. It is like

> bipolar to get into a manic phase and stop

> medication. I have not done any

> NF

> on this population, and wanted some advice on how

> to proceed, after I run

> the

> assessment. Perhaps I will need to share the data,

> but I guess I have some

> concerns with treatment success in this

> population. Any feedback would be

> greatly appreciated. Thanks!

> Best,

> JoAnn

>

>

[Guest guest]

Filtering/Control is thalamus/prefrontal/cortex/basal ganglia/thalamus loop which mediates the interface between the individual and the environment.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: DalCerro, Ph.D. [mailto:gauge2_99@...]Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: RE: BipolarPete wrote:I would have to say, however, that I'veseen a lot of adults diagnosed bipolar who appeared tofall into the Filtering/Control category--andresponded nicely to that approach. All thatoscillates is not bipolar.] Filtering/control is Cingulate Gyrus?

[Guest guest]

Interesting point....I met with this new client today and my distinct

imprection,clinical and intuitive was that she was a borderline (personality

disorder). I will see how it goes...doing the assessment next time, today

just an intake and history.

Will be looking for help in the next week or so...thanks!

JoAnn

[Guest guest]

If a person has enough swinging going on to get himself diagnosed as

bipolar (such a rare diagnosis these days), chances are that there is not

anything specific wrong with training F3, but don't do anything in one

place only. The old C3/A1 beta followed by C4/A2 SMR training protocol is

a pretty decent place to start. You can, of course, also let yourself be

guided by the client. If he comes in manic, focus more on the right side;

if depressed, focus more on the left. I'd still go with a combination,

though, just as you would with most ADHD kids (what these kids often used

to be diagnosed 5 years ago.)

Pete

VanDeusen

Practical Brain Training.

305/251-0337

pvdadp@...

bipolar

I am about to start working with an individual who has been dx'd as

bipolar. Last month there were a few cautionary comments about rewarding

beta at F3, and Fp1, and Fpo1.

I understand that what works one day for a bipolar, may on another day

trigger a manic episode.

Are there other protocols I should avoid, or is it purely based on

individual reaction?

thanks for your help.

[Guest guest]

Dear Lori,

You have a small dilemma here in the fact that we cannot confirm a diagnosis, also because the medication she is on, if used correctly, will probably disrupt the machines accurate readings. It doesn't mean there is no hope, just it complicates things.

Bi-polar, or manic/depression, will be visible in a few locations. It would be fortunate if you had a high test score in manic and/or depression in the test matrix but don't count on it this is what the meds will mess up. What you will find in in the chromosomes on the test matrix a high number (over 100) or a low number (under 60) for XQ or YP chrom. These will be important for learning disabilities and emotional disturbances. Before you go to therapies be sure you 'load the top significant items' and run a 3 min zap on them as a group and also do the miasms zap, since vaccines may have had a major impact on this problem and many other behavior and learning conditions.

Suggestions for therapies:

1. Activate frequency modulation program - for 'Brain waves', many of the brainwave disturbances will be relative to this condition, ie injury from emotional trauma, deep brain assymetery from vit and min deficiencies, epileptic showing problems with hormonal deficiencies.

2. NLP - do work here under therapy for this condition. Also, CHECK THE EMOTIONS GRAPH you will find that those without meds will have spikes in manic and depression at the same time. The meds could even cause hers to spike low. Also, be sure to do work on Karma here, she's carrying a lot for a child.

3. Spinal - Timed therapies, see what the computer brings up for organs (for chemicals/endocrine glands) and brain locations which need help.

4. Be sure to clear her aura, morphic trans panels, and scalar

5. Timed therapies and superleaning: Do Quick check of Phase, then Virtual Harmonic Therapy, then into timed treatments - now do Bad behavior in children (if needed) Neurological repair and auto psych repair.

6. Spinal - Take a look at digestion, and watch allergies because these can make unbelievable differences in these children.

7. Be sure you did the therapy the computer suggested.

Good luck and God bless

Yours in Health

Kathy "Lori M." <cpress@...> wrote:

Hello All,I will be traveling to the East Coast in a couple of weeks and will be introducing the QX to my relatives (YIKES!!, but that's another story). My 16 year old niece was diagnosed as bipolar a year ago and is on meds for mood control. She is active and does well as long as regulated by these meds. Not that I don't trust her doctors....... but, I'd like to know what to look for on the QX that would confirm this. Has anyone worked with this and would you share individual protocal for working with this. She was adopted from Chili at age 5 months. Fed only sugar water till then and was quite sick when they got her. She has been a very normal child although not a great student. Any Help is appreciated,Thanks in advance.Lori Marcus............................................

[Guest guest]

In the 5 1/2 years I went untreated, I was diagnosed as depressed,

bipolar, and OCD. I was given anxiety meds, Prozac several times, and

tricyclics. Meanwhile they were just ignoring my thyroid and sending

me to shrinks.

Don't get me wrong, I love therapy - been going since I was a kid.

But the chemical help never helped any, cause what I needed was

thyroid hormones.

Jan

[Guest guest]

I am not sure yet, since so far all I've had tested was the DHEAS. It

was in the normal range and I've been taking 25mg DHEA for over a

month, so while that didn't hurt, it is not conclusive either (I am

in the high end of normal for my age now). I am gonna have the

cortisol and the full female panel done on my next period, to see if

it is abnormal.

My thyroid tests were really bizarre though - I am gonna post about

them later, waiting on my FT3 result.

Jan

>

> and adrenal hormones.

> Gracia

>

> >

> > Don't get me wrong, I love therapy - been going since I was a kid.

> > But the chemical help never helped any, cause what I needed was

> > thyroid hormones.

> >

> >

> > Jan

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's an interesting observation and makes me wonder if I'm not a bit

bi-polar leaning towards the depressive side as well.

The worst of my depression has always been in cycles with the worst times

coming in the winter (SAD=Seasonal Affective Disorder). But as my anxiety

became more intense and less manageable my depression became more constant

but still better at times than others.

Barbara

bipolar

>

> That is so interesting!

>

> My psych mentioned he thought I may be bipolar.

>

> I balked at that idea. Me - bipolar?

>

> I said I have never been manic -

>

> but he said that he noticed my depression is cyclical. Not consistent.

>

> That some people can be bipolar without being manic.

>

> More depressive.

>

> Now you have just mentioned that people that are bipolar do worse on A/D.

>

> And I most certainly have done worse on Lexapro.

>

> What exactly is a " Mood stabilizer " ?

>

> Now I am interesting in investigating the bipolar thing - althought I

really do not want that label.

>

> Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi, there are soooo many different types of bipolar, it gets confusing. He

decided to add a mood stabilizer because he said the same thing as your doc did.

He told me that it's possible that I might have some " type " of bipolar. I was

like.........huh???

He told me that I was more on the depressive side of bipolar.....more depressive

phases than manic. Some people with bipolar have such extreme highs and lows

that they require hospitalization. Well, with me I just get very moody and can

be happy one minute and pissed off the next, then depressed and just want to be

alone. The mood stabilizer he put me on is Depakote (generic is Valproic Acid).

I can send you links to a forum I go to that is great for information on it and

other mood stabilizers.

I don't want the label either. Actually, the only person that knows is you and

the hubby LOL. (oh and just the other hundreds of people on this group). A mood

stabilizer just evens out your moods, basically exactly what it says. The doc

required me to get some blood work done initially and I think every 6 months or

so I may need blook work. It's just to check the levels of the med, all depends

which one he puts you on....let me try to find that link for you.

http://www.depressionforums.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

Okay, that website/forum has everything you want, even forums for people who

take Lexapro. Just scroll all the way down for the medication links. You don't

have to register to read or lurk. There is also a forum with every question

under the sun for bipolar...you'll find it. I have it bookmarked and go there

from time to time...the people there are wonderful and very helpful!!!!!

Heidi Kay <heidimarlenekay@...> wrote:

That is so interesting!

My psych mentioned he thought I may be bipolar.

I balked at that idea. Me - bipolar?

I said I have never been manic -

but he said that he noticed my depression is cyclical. Not consistent.

That some people can be bipolar without being manic.

More depressive.

Now you have just mentioned that people that are bipolar do worse on A/D.

And I most certainly have done worse on Lexapro.

What exactly is a " Mood stabilizer " ?

Now I am interesting in investigating the bipolar thing - althought I really do

not want that label.

Heidi

<christinamarie29@...> wrote:

Just my 2 cents, but sometimes anti depressants will make you worse if you have

bipolar....I told my doc that even with the Lex, I was still going off the

handle, had extreme rages where I just had to get outside and away from

everyone. Just very moody. He decided to give me a mood stabilizer, thinking

that I might have underlying bipolar, but more on the depressive side of

bipolar.

As far as Wellbutrin, I had horrible anxiety on that after only taking it for a

few days. I yelled at my family members and knew right away it was the

Wellbutrin. Some docs prescribe it to increase the sexual libido, but for me,

I'll never take it again. I have too many anxiety issues to take it.

So, you may want to mention to your doctor about a mood stabilizer. It's helped

me out so much.

pointyearfreak <pointyearfreak@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have been reading the posts here for a while sorry I have not spoken up

sooner. But I

have a question, I was taking Lex 20 mg, 300 mg Wellbutrin, and 50 mg of

Trazadone

daily. I have been on the Lex & Trazadone for about a year and half. The

wellbutrin I

added about 6 months ago mostly for anxiety.

I was depressed, anxious, had uncontrollable mood swings, and was flat out a

control

freak. I balanced my check book daily, everything had a place and it was in

it's place....

You know the routine....

I had the weight gain (40 lbs in 18 month's!). But the problem that seemed to

bother me

the most was I developed an I don't care attitude. My house is a mess, my

checkbook is in

such a mess i am waiting for the last of the checks to clear get a new balance

and start

over. I got behind on my bills, not because I didn't have the money but because

it was

more fun to shop on ebay. I joined a gym last summer I rarely go, but won't

cancel the

membership because I might decide to go.

I talked to my doc and told him I wanted to try to come off the anti's and he

said to wean

myself off the Lex and stay on the Wellbutrin for now. It has been 2 weeks

since I cut my

lex in half, and the mood swings are back, the feelings of worthlessness are

back, I can

feel myself going back to my old ways. Last night I yelled at my hubby for

chewing to

loudly. I don't want to go back on the Lex, what else is there that can help

with my

depression symptoms and not give me the I don't care attitude?

Help

B.

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Barbara, check out this link.......I sent it earlier to Heidi...it's a wonderful

forum and the people and mods there are wonderful.........

http://www.depressionforums.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

Barbara <bjarrett@...> wrote:

That's an interesting observation and makes me wonder if I'm not a bit

bi-polar leaning towards the depressive side as well.

The worst of my depression has always been in cycles with the worst times

coming in the winter (SAD=Seasonal Affective Disorder). But as my anxiety

became more intense and less manageable my depression became more constant

but still better at times than others.

Barbara

bipolar

>

> That is so interesting!

>

> My psych mentioned he thought I may be bipolar.

>

> I balked at that idea. Me - bipolar?

>

> I said I have never been manic -

>

> but he said that he noticed my depression is cyclical. Not consistent.

>

> That some people can be bipolar without being manic.

>

> More depressive.

>

> Now you have just mentioned that people that are bipolar do worse on A/D.

>

> And I most certainly have done worse on Lexapro.

>

> What exactly is a " Mood stabilizer " ?

>

> Now I am interesting in investigating the bipolar thing - althought I

really do not want that label.

>

> Heidi

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

so is the depakote helping?

<christinamarie29@...> wrote:

Heidi, there are soooo many different types of bipolar, it gets confusing. He

decided to add a mood stabilizer because he said the same thing as your doc did.

He told me that it's possible that I might have some " type " of bipolar. I was

like.........huh???

He told me that I was more on the depressive side of bipolar.....more depressive

phases than manic. Some people with bipolar have such extreme highs and lows

that they require hospitalization. Well, with me I just get very moody and can

be happy one minute and pissed off the next, then depressed and just want to be

alone. The mood stabilizer he put me on is Depakote (generic is Valproic Acid).

I can send you links to a forum I go to that is great for information on it and

other mood stabilizers.

I don't want the label either. Actually, the only person that knows is you and

the hubby LOL. (oh and just the other hundreds of people on this group). A mood

stabilizer just evens out your moods, basically exactly what it says. The doc

required me to get some blood work done initially and I think every 6 months or

so I may need blook work. It's just to check the levels of the med, all depends

which one he puts you on....let me try to find that link for you.

http://www.depressionforums.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

Okay, that website/forum has everything you want, even forums for people who

take Lexapro. Just scroll all the way down for the medication links. You don't

have to register to read or lurk. There is also a forum with every question

under the sun for bipolar...you'll find it. I have it bookmarked and go there

from time to time...the people there are wonderful and very helpful!!!!!

Heidi Kay <heidimarlenekay@...> wrote:

That is so interesting!

My psych mentioned he thought I may be bipolar.

I balked at that idea. Me - bipolar?

I said I have never been manic -

but he said that he noticed my depression is cyclical. Not consistent.

That some people can be bipolar without being manic.

More depressive.

Now you have just mentioned that people that are bipolar do worse on A/D.

And I most certainly have done worse on Lexapro.

What exactly is a " Mood stabilizer " ?

Now I am interesting in investigating the bipolar thing - althought I really do

not want that label.

Heidi

<christinamarie29@...> wrote:

Just my 2 cents, but sometimes anti depressants will make you worse if you have

bipolar....I told my doc that even with the Lex, I was still going off the

handle, had extreme rages where I just had to get outside and away from

everyone. Just very moody. He decided to give me a mood stabilizer, thinking

that I might have underlying bipolar, but more on the depressive side of

bipolar.

As far as Wellbutrin, I had horrible anxiety on that after only taking it for a

few days. I yelled at my family members and knew right away it was the

Wellbutrin. Some docs prescribe it to increase the sexual libido, but for me,

I'll never take it again. I have too many anxiety issues to take it.

So, you may want to mention to your doctor about a mood stabilizer. It's helped

me out so much.

pointyearfreak <pointyearfreak@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have been reading the posts here for a while sorry I have not spoken up

sooner. But I

have a question, I was taking Lex 20 mg, 300 mg Wellbutrin, and 50 mg of

Trazadone

daily. I have been on the Lex & Trazadone for about a year and half. The

wellbutrin I

added about 6 months ago mostly for anxiety.

I was depressed, anxious, had uncontrollable mood swings, and was flat out a

control

freak. I balanced my check book daily, everything had a place and it was in

it's place....

You know the routine....

I had the weight gain (40 lbs in 18 month's!). But the problem that seemed to

bother me

the most was I developed an I don't care attitude. My house is a mess, my

checkbook is in

such a mess i am waiting for the last of the checks to clear get a new balance

and start

over. I got behind on my bills, not because I didn't have the money but because

it was

more fun to shop on ebay. I joined a gym last summer I rarely go, but won't

cancel the

membership because I might decide to go.

I talked to my doc and told him I wanted to try to come off the anti's and he

said to wean

myself off the Lex and stay on the Wellbutrin for now. It has been 2 weeks

since I cut my

lex in half, and the mood swings are back, the feelings of worthlessness are

back, I can

feel myself going back to my old ways. Last night I yelled at my hubby for

chewing to

loudly. I don't want to go back on the Lex, what else is there that can help

with my

depression symptoms and not give me the I don't care attitude?

Help

B.

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

YES!!!!! I am much calmer, not as moody either. I've been told that I am on a

very low dose, too and the nurse told me that on my next pdoc visit he will

probably increase the Depakote. Most people take 2000-2500/day!! I'd be one

mellow fellow LOL!

Heidi Kay <heidimarlenekay@...> wrote:so is the depakote helping?

<christinamarie29@...> wrote:

Heidi, there are soooo many different types of bipolar, it gets confusing. He

decided to add a mood stabilizer because he said the same thing as your doc did.

He told me that it's possible that I might have some " type " of bipolar. I was

like.........huh???

He told me that I was more on the depressive side of bipolar.....more depressive

phases than manic. Some people with bipolar have such extreme highs and lows

that they require hospitalization. Well, with me I just get very moody and can

be happy one minute and pissed off the next, then depressed and just want to be

alone. The mood stabilizer he put me on is Depakote (generic is Valproic Acid).

I can send you links to a forum I go to that is great for information on it and

other mood stabilizers.

I don't want the label either. Actually, the only person that knows is you and

the hubby LOL. (oh and just the other hundreds of people on this group). A mood

stabilizer just evens out your moods, basically exactly what it says. The doc

required me to get some blood work done initially and I think every 6 months or

so I may need blook work. It's just to check the levels of the med, all depends

which one he puts you on....let me try to find that link for you.

http://www.depressionforums.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi

Okay, that website/forum has everything you want, even forums for people who

take Lexapro. Just scroll all the way down for the medication links. You don't

have to register to read or lurk. There is also a forum with every question

under the sun for bipolar...you'll find it. I have it bookmarked and go there

from time to time...the people there are wonderful and very helpful!!!!!

Heidi Kay <heidimarlenekay@...> wrote:

That is so interesting!

My psych mentioned he thought I may be bipolar.

I balked at that idea. Me - bipolar?

I said I have never been manic -

but he said that he noticed my depression is cyclical. Not consistent.

That some people can be bipolar without being manic.

More depressive.

Now you have just mentioned that people that are bipolar do worse on A/D.

And I most certainly have done worse on Lexapro.

What exactly is a " Mood stabilizer " ?

Now I am interesting in investigating the bipolar thing - althought I really do

not want that label.

Heidi

<christinamarie29@...> wrote:

Just my 2 cents, but sometimes anti depressants will make you worse if you have

bipolar....I told my doc that even with the Lex, I was still going off the

handle, had extreme rages where I just had to get outside and away from

everyone. Just very moody. He decided to give me a mood stabilizer, thinking

that I might have underlying bipolar, but more on the depressive side of

bipolar.

As far as Wellbutrin, I had horrible anxiety on that after only taking it for a

few days. I yelled at my family members and knew right away it was the

Wellbutrin. Some docs prescribe it to increase the sexual libido, but for me,

I'll never take it again. I have too many anxiety issues to take it.

So, you may want to mention to your doctor about a mood stabilizer. It's helped

me out so much.

pointyearfreak <pointyearfreak@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have been reading the posts here for a while sorry I have not spoken up

sooner. But I

have a question, I was taking Lex 20 mg, 300 mg Wellbutrin, and 50 mg of

Trazadone

daily. I have been on the Lex & Trazadone for about a year and half. The

wellbutrin I

added about 6 months ago mostly for anxiety.

I was depressed, anxious, had uncontrollable mood swings, and was flat out a

control

freak. I balanced my check book daily, everything had a place and it was in

it's place....

You know the routine....

I had the weight gain (40 lbs in 18 month's!). But the problem that seemed to

bother me

the most was I developed an I don't care attitude. My house is a mess, my

checkbook is in

such a mess i am waiting for the last of the checks to clear get a new balance

and start

over. I got behind on my bills, not because I didn't have the money but because

it was

more fun to shop on ebay. I joined a gym last summer I rarely go, but won't

cancel the

membership because I might decide to go.

I talked to my doc and told him I wanted to try to come off the anti's and he

said to wean

myself off the Lex and stay on the Wellbutrin for now. It has been 2 weeks

since I cut my

lex in half, and the mood swings are back, the feelings of worthlessness are

back, I can

feel myself going back to my old ways. Last night I yelled at my hubby for

chewing to

loudly. I don't want to go back on the Lex, what else is there that can help

with my

depression symptoms and not give me the I don't care attitude?

Help

B.

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

A DDI hair elements test would be helpful with counting rules applied. Does she

have ANY mercury amalgam dental fillings? Those would have to be safely removed

by a mercury-free dentist using proper protocol before they could chelate.

S S

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Is anyone on this board chelating to help with bipolar symptoms and <BR>

finding that it is working.  I am trying to help my friend help her 16 <BR>

year old daughter who got dx'd last year.  Her 12 year old son has <BR>

learning disabilities and her 5 year old got dx'd with Aspergers last <BR>

year.  Would the DDI hair test be helpful?  I am thinking it should.  <BR>

But since this all costs money I want to make sure I give her the <BR>

correct advice.<BR>

Thank you,<BR>

April<BR>

veronicalee97@...<BR>

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> Is anyone on this board chelating to help with bipolar symptoms and

> finding that it is working.

If you go to here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html

and then do " edit > search in this page " (which is a

browser function and NOT on the page itself) --

search for " bipolar " or " polar " and you'll find 3 or 4

people who mention changes to bipolar condition.

Sorry, I think I'm not saying that very clearly. Let

me try again: there is a collection of posts about

changes people have seen from chelation, located here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/LOVE_LETTERS.html

A few of them involve changes to bipolar conditions.

You can use your browser to search for " bipolar " .

hope that helps a little.

Moria

I am trying to help my friend help her 16

> year old daughter who got dx'd last year. Her 12 year old son has

> learning disabilities and her 5 year old got dx'd with Aspergers last

> year. Would the DDI hair test be helpful? I am thinking it should.

> But since this all costs money I want to make sure I give her the

> correct advice.

> Thank you,

> April

> veronicalee97@y...

>

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> How would I know if my kid has bipolar?...What are the symptoms?

>

The biggest symptoms of bipolar is manic stages followed by quick

drops into deep depression. Manic would be kind like being wired.

Starting many task at once and never finishing. Unusual good moods. The

depression is very noticable. Refusal to interact. Severe sadness and

irratibility. I am bipolar and without medication I have spent weeks in

bed refusing to leave or eat or really anything. If you have concerns

take your child to be checked out. My life could never be what it is

now if my mother had not gotten me help.

Lenore

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Carolyn,

I am sorry that you have had such horrible experiences in the ER with people

who struggle with mental illness.

In my experience with mind-body relationships, and we can not separate them--

my physical pain and physical problems are and can be intensified because of bi

polar.I have to know the difference and that takes some acute cerebral

gymnastics. I have learned to listen to my body. And I can not separate the two.

And If a bi-polar goes to the ER for something not bi polar, as I have, and

they find out I am bi polar when I fill out my medical history, the attitudinal-

climate in the exam room changes which is unfortunate for me.

And never have I gone to the ER yelling or spitting on anyone and still have

been treated ugly. I have been appropriate-- mostl usually apologetic and

timid.

Sometimes I find it better to lie than to be honest when dealing with some of

the medical team members; IE nurse Ratchet or Dr Strange love.

The discussion on bi polar came up because there are some of us in here that

are dealing with not only chronic physical pain but also bi polar. They have an

effect on each other and I do not think it is out of place.

Ann

Carolyn Cheatham <ckstrum@...> wrote:

Perhaps I will seem insensitive, but there are a lot of down sides to bipolar

as well. Being an ER nurse at a hospital with an inpatient psych facility, we

received many, many bipolar patients, either depressed and suicidal or manic and

displaying very inappropriate behaviors. I have been spit on, hit, bit and even

had one patient unhook his IV and fling his blood at me. All were in the manic

phase of bipolar. Not to mention the guy who was naked and hanging from an IV

pole while singing at the top of his lungs.

I realize people do not choose to be bipolar or not, and I am glad that some of

you have learned to deal with it, but there are many people who do not handle it

well. I do not think they are particularly weak or lack will power, they just

suffer from a disease that has no cure and can at best be managed to greater or

lesser degrees.

Now that I have thrown my two cents in, I am just wondering how we got on this

topic. I am wondering if this subject would not be better discussed on a board

specifically made for persons with similar issues.

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Carolyn,

I am sorry that you have had such horrible experiences in the ER with people

who struggle with mental illness.

In my experience with mind-body relationships, and we can not separate them--

my physical pain and physical problems are and can be intensified because of bi

polar.I have to know the difference and that takes some acute cerebral

gymnastics. I have learned to listen to my body. And I can not separate the two.

And If a bi-polar goes to the ER for something not bi polar, as I have, and

they find out I am bi polar when I fill out my medical history, the attitudinal-

climate in the exam room changes which is unfortunate for me.

And never have I gone to the ER yelling or spitting on anyone and still have

been treated ugly. I have been appropriate-- mostl usually apologetic and

timid.

Sometimes I find it better to lie than to be honest when dealing with some of

the medical team members; IE nurse Ratchet or Dr Strange love.

The discussion on bi polar came up because there are some of us in here that

are dealing with not only chronic physical pain but also bi polar. They have an

effect on each other and I do not think it is out of place.

Ann

Carolyn Cheatham <ckstrum@...> wrote:

Perhaps I will seem insensitive, but there are a lot of down sides to bipolar

as well. Being an ER nurse at a hospital with an inpatient psych facility, we

received many, many bipolar patients, either depressed and suicidal or manic and

displaying very inappropriate behaviors. I have been spit on, hit, bit and even

had one patient unhook his IV and fling his blood at me. All were in the manic

phase of bipolar. Not to mention the guy who was naked and hanging from an IV

pole while singing at the top of his lungs.

I realize people do not choose to be bipolar or not, and I am glad that some of

you have learned to deal with it, but there are many people who do not handle it

well. I do not think they are particularly weak or lack will power, they just

suffer from a disease that has no cure and can at best be managed to greater or

lesser degrees.

Now that I have thrown my two cents in, I am just wondering how we got on this

topic. I am wondering if this subject would not be better discussed on a board

specifically made for persons with similar issues.

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Carolyn,

I am sorry that you have had such horrible experiences in the ER with people

who struggle with mental illness.

In my experience with mind-body relationships, and we can not separate them--

my physical pain and physical problems are and can be intensified because of bi

polar.I have to know the difference and that takes some acute cerebral

gymnastics. I have learned to listen to my body. And I can not separate the two.

And If a bi-polar goes to the ER for something not bi polar, as I have, and

they find out I am bi polar when I fill out my medical history, the attitudinal-

climate in the exam room changes which is unfortunate for me.

And never have I gone to the ER yelling or spitting on anyone and still have

been treated ugly. I have been appropriate-- mostl usually apologetic and

timid.

Sometimes I find it better to lie than to be honest when dealing with some of

the medical team members; IE nurse Ratchet or Dr Strange love.

The discussion on bi polar came up because there are some of us in here that

are dealing with not only chronic physical pain but also bi polar. They have an

effect on each other and I do not think it is out of place.

Ann

Carolyn Cheatham <ckstrum@...> wrote:

Perhaps I will seem insensitive, but there are a lot of down sides to bipolar

as well. Being an ER nurse at a hospital with an inpatient psych facility, we

received many, many bipolar patients, either depressed and suicidal or manic and

displaying very inappropriate behaviors. I have been spit on, hit, bit and even

had one patient unhook his IV and fling his blood at me. All were in the manic

phase of bipolar. Not to mention the guy who was naked and hanging from an IV

pole while singing at the top of his lungs.

I realize people do not choose to be bipolar or not, and I am glad that some of

you have learned to deal with it, but there are many people who do not handle it

well. I do not think they are particularly weak or lack will power, they just

suffer from a disease that has no cure and can at best be managed to greater or

lesser degrees.

Now that I have thrown my two cents in, I am just wondering how we got on this

topic. I am wondering if this subject would not be better discussed on a board

specifically made for persons with similar issues.

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Carolyn,

I am sorry that you have had such horrible experiences in the ER with people

who struggle with mental illness.

In my experience with mind-body relationships, and we can not separate them--

my physical pain and physical problems are and can be intensified because of bi

polar.I have to know the difference and that takes some acute cerebral

gymnastics. I have learned to listen to my body. And I can not separate the two.

And If a bi-polar goes to the ER for something not bi polar, as I have, and

they find out I am bi polar when I fill out my medical history, the attitudinal-

climate in the exam room changes which is unfortunate for me.

And never have I gone to the ER yelling or spitting on anyone and still have

been treated ugly. I have been appropriate-- mostl usually apologetic and

timid.

Sometimes I find it better to lie than to be honest when dealing with some of

the medical team members; IE nurse Ratchet or Dr Strange love.

The discussion on bi polar came up because there are some of us in here that

are dealing with not only chronic physical pain but also bi polar. They have an

effect on each other and I do not think it is out of place.

Ann

Carolyn Cheatham <ckstrum@...> wrote:

Perhaps I will seem insensitive, but there are a lot of down sides to bipolar

as well. Being an ER nurse at a hospital with an inpatient psych facility, we

received many, many bipolar patients, either depressed and suicidal or manic and

displaying very inappropriate behaviors. I have been spit on, hit, bit and even

had one patient unhook his IV and fling his blood at me. All were in the manic

phase of bipolar. Not to mention the guy who was naked and hanging from an IV

pole while singing at the top of his lungs.

I realize people do not choose to be bipolar or not, and I am glad that some of

you have learned to deal with it, but there are many people who do not handle it

well. I do not think they are particularly weak or lack will power, they just

suffer from a disease that has no cure and can at best be managed to greater or

lesser degrees.

Now that I have thrown my two cents in, I am just wondering how we got on this

topic. I am wondering if this subject would not be better discussed on a board

specifically made for persons with similar issues.

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you mean having been diagnosed with bi-polar, and going on LDN?

or becoming bi-polar after going on LDN?

I was never DX as bi-polar but I remember during the first 7 months, mostly noticed in month 7 (was nov 2003, started in apr), some people online thought I was having bi-polar swings. I felt that the LDN was helping me 'return to center' quicker than usual.... so when things would upset me, I just would get over it a whole lot quicker than I felt I did ever before. Swinging between happy and sad seemed easier too.

2 years ago I asked someone if I could have bipolar swings AT THE SAME TIME, but never got an answer, they thought I was joking (wasn't)

So I really don't know about bipolar, I just know that when I get upset, I get over it quickly. When I get happy, it doesn't last.

When my mom died in 2004 my friend and sister wanted to know why I wasn't an emotional wreck and crying.

I think LDN helps me Center, I often ask how do I know if I am truly at peace, or just comfortably numb.

And I notice that no matter How I type things, people Misunderstand my context and often thing I'm angry when I'm Smiling

I have noticed some changes though since my first Reiki session back in May 2007.

I also believe LDN helps decalcify ones pineal gland. That may be the biggest factor of all.

FWIW JMHO YMMV HAND

[low dose naltrexone] bipolar

Anyone had any experience with bipolar and ldn?------------------------------------

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My husband has bipolar disorder together with his MS and unfortunately the LDN

doesnt help that at all - he still needs to take meds for it. The only part

that does help somewhat is knowing that his MS has not progressed for 5 years,

so that tends to lift his spirits rather than have depressive episodes.

>

> Anyone had any experience with bipolar and ldn?

>

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Not bipolar, but I was dxed with borderline personality disorder, which is similiar I am told. I still take stablon, and unlawful serotonin enhancer in the USA. Clinical Trials have said BP's have a fifty percent shortage of funtioning serotonin receptors.

LDN has improved my symptoms, I can now feel compassion, empathy, to some degree.

I am no longer totally consumed by my own needs. I can feel upset, but no longer go into a fit of rage w/ anger.

It has taken several months to get where I am, but I think LDN balances our immune system and some where down the line, balances our hormones as well, which makes my emotional life a lot easier.

kind regards david

[low dose naltrexone] bipolar

Anyone had any experience with bipolar and ldn?