Goat's milk

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/21/2000 2:46:17 PM Central Daylight Time,

Lee@... writes:

<< I tried goats milk and it tasted of.... well, GOAT!

Yuk >>

Yuk is the word I thought of too - but who am I to say - it's probably very

good. I've been told it is a very rich kind of milk. But I'm content with

chewing my 2 lactaids and having a glass of cow's milk :-)

2000/08/21 2:47:11 pm CST

[Guest guest]

Oh no - now we are going into tastes with goat's milk and cow's milk. All

the talk is making me feel nauseous.

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[Guest guest]

I tried goats milk and it tasted of.... well, GOAT!

Yuk

Lee

[Guest guest]

Marcelle,

Thank you for the advice. We do use a stick blender also. We don't have time

to stir and wait, stir and wait. How fast does your soap trace? I have been

reading

in this group where it is taking people a long time for their soap to trace, I

don't think ours

takes more than a half hour at the most. Are we doing something wrong?

Maybe that is why our soap doesn't have that translucent look. Who knows!

It's probably the most satisfying things I have ever done though. It is great to

make something

from scratch and then present it to someone as a gift.

[Guest guest]

You are exactly right Rhoda. My hubby was raised on goats milk and my kids now

drink it. My mom in law is just starting a new herd and can't wait to get milk

from her. The milk from the store is all water to us, and my son who is 16

months won't even drink the store bought stuff. I have been told by a lady we

used to buy milk from that she knew of a few chiropracters that would recommend

goats milk for babies instead of formula. Around here somewhere I have a

pamphlet that compares levels of nutrients between goats milk, human milk, and

cows milk. Needless to say the goats milk and humna milk were really close. My

brother in law was lactose intolerant when he was young but could tolerate the

goats milk well.

Warm Regards,

Nanci

raw goat's milk is what is good. you have to know someone in order to get

it. or have your own goat. pasteurized goat's milk is not the same.

rhoda

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[Guest guest]

At 02:29 AM 05/15/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Nanci,

>

>You're right about the fat content of human breast milk. It has the

>highest fat content. Next is dog milk, after that is goat milk, then

>I believe cow. But this is the reason why raw goat milk is so easily

>substituted for breast milk in humans and dogs.

>

>Jackie Noel

>www.sagaciousairedales.com

>www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

>

I think there is something unlawful about buying raw goat milk in

California (lived there). I can't remember exactly, but all that I know

that use it have to be part of a coop and actually 'own' the goat - so

people set those up. Because if you 'own' the goat you can drink the milk.

heatlh food stores should be able to advise you.

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[Guest guest]

jacki, you are correct.

i bought goat's milk for my animals. (2 legged).

rhoda

[Guest guest]

Recently a piece of legislation was passed in Michigan making it illegal to

consume raw milk, let alone sell it. Isn't that crazy? It's now illegal for

farmers or anyone to drink the milk from goats or cows that isn't

pasteurized. That really got my dander up but we couldn't stop it (.

The world keeps getting crazier (not to mention more frightening!)

H

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>From: " jnoelsagacious " <jnoelsagacious@...>

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Goat's Milk

>Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 8:30 AM

>

>Sheri,

>

>I think it's actually unlawful to purchase any raw milk for human

>consumption. Too many germs. We can't have germs.

>

>However, I think people can purchase raw milk for animals, or of

>course, if they have their own goat they can use the milk personally.

>

>But for someone to sell raw milk for a profit, heaven forbid, if

>someone became sick from it.

>

>Jackie Noel

>www.sagaciousairedales.com

>www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...I herd two legged animals, maybe I should try that!

H

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>From: " Rhoda " <RHODAF@...>

><Vaccinations >

>Subject: Re: Goat's Milk

>Date: Wed, May 15, 2002, 9:02 AM

>

>jacki, you are correct.

>

>i bought goat's milk for my animals. (2 legged).

>

>rhoda

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 12:30 PM 05/15/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>Sheri,

>

>I think it's actually unlawful to purchase any raw milk for human

>consumption. Too many germs. We can't have germs.

>

No, in California you CAN buy raw cow's milk (but don't you dare take it

over the border into Nevada - illegal there!)

It is sold in the health food stores in CA

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I hope I wasn't the only person to take note of this. Thanks for the

clarification and corrections to " misinformation " about it.

Ellen

rheumatic goat's milk

> Hi,

>

> Scrolling quickly through the rheumatic digests that have accumulated in

my

> inbox and I happened to see the posts about goat's milk. I would hate for

> the old stereotypes about goat's milk being smelly and nasty to be

> perpetuated here. If that were really the case, I don't think the majority

> of the world's population would continue to drink it, even though goats

are

> easier to keep than cows.

>

> We used to keep goats, and I just have to tell you - if you can get fresh

> goat's milk that's been properly handled, you'd never want to drink cow's

> milk again! It has a light, sweet, fresh, absolutely delicious taste. The

> trick is to keep the bucks in a different place than the does, as their

> strong scent can actually flavor the does' milk ( that " barnyard " smell

> folks complain about.) Then you have to be scrupulously clean, keep the

> milk in sterilized glass containers so it doesn't pick up any bacteria and

> refrigerate immediately. If you follow these procedures I promise you have

a

> treat in store.

>

> We only kept the goats for a year or so because it tied us down having to

be

> here to milk them daily. We experimented with cheese making with varying

> degrees of success, but the milk was consistently wonderful.

>

> In our area farmers are not allowed to sell the unpastuerized milk but

they

> CAN give it away. If they are raising the goats for meat or for show they

> have to be milked daily anyway so it may be possible to find a source of

> fresh raw goat's milk from people who just feel it is a shame to waste it

> and are willing to take a little extra time and trouble in the handling.

>

> (I hear the powdered stuff that comes from the health food store is really

> vile. This may contribute to goat milk's bad rep.)

>

> Regards,

> Jean

>

>

>

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why does your doctor want her on goats milk or any milk period? If he is

concerned about calcium she can get that from other places (supplements &

vegetables). You can also try sheep yogurt but liquid (goats or sheep) seems to

be a problem for most.

Rochelle Willingham <Rochellew25@...> wrote:

hey everyone my ASD daughter is allegic to milk, casien, whey,and

cheese. She didn't test allergic to goat's milk. She has been milk free

for 4 months and has really lost weight. The doctor told me to try

goat's milk instead. I have had her on it for 5 days. Each day she has

had very mushy stools, and one day she had 4 mushy stools and diahrea in

one of them. She also has been bloated and not wanting to eat anything

but oatmeal with goats milk in it. She won't eat any of the foods she

used to like. She has been burping a lot and gagging and burping really

deep burps. She threw up one time over the weekend. She hasn't thrown up

in two months. I was wondering if it sounds like she is having an

intolerance to the goat's milk. She also has three teeth coming in, so i

thought this could be part of it also. I really do not want to take her

off of it, because she is gaining weight. Thanks

Rochelle

[Guest guest]

> hey everyone my ASD daughter is allegic to milk, casien, whey,and

> cheese. She didn't test allergic to goat's milk. She has been milk

free

> for 4 months and has really lost weight. The doctor told me to try

> goat's milk instead. I have had her on it for 5 days. Each day she

has

> had very mushy stools, and one day she had 4 mushy stools and

diahrea in

> one of them. She also has been bloated and not wanting to eat

anything

> but oatmeal with goats milk in it. She won't eat any of the foods

she

> used to like. She has been burping a lot and gagging and burping

really

> deep burps. She threw up one time over the weekend. She hasn't

thrown up

> in two months. I was wondering if it sounds like she is having an

> intolerance to the goat's milk. She also has three teeth coming

in, so i

> thought this could be part of it also. I really do not want to

take her

> off of it, because she is gaining weight. Thanks

>

> Rochelle

>

Hi Rochelle,

If your daughter is allergic to Caseine she is proberly having a

reaction to the Goats Milk. Why not try using Rice Milk Pacific

brand is very tolerable. I use Vance's Dairy free it is made from

potatoes. I add alcohol free vanilla flavor and Steiva my kids love

it. Also have you tried giving her digestive enzymes. Both of my

ASD boys were under weight and having digestive problems before I

started using them. I use the Houston brands Zyme-prime & AFP

Peptizyde. The web site is www.houstoni.com.

Bets of luck,

Aminah Mom to 4ys. Tyree 6yrs.

>

>

[Guest guest]

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kay edge <jaelen_n_faithsmom@...> wrote:

Why does your doctor want her on goats milk or any milk period? If he is

concerned about calcium she can get that from other places (supplements &

vegetables). You can also try sheep yogurt but liquid (goats or sheep) seems to

be a problem for most.

Rochelle Willingham wrote:

hey everyone my ASD daughter is allegic to milk, casien, whey,and

cheese. She didn't test allergic to goat's milk. She has been milk free

for 4 months and has really lost weight. The doctor told me to try

goat's milk instead. I have had her on it for 5 days. Each day she has

had very mushy stools, and one day she had 4 mushy stools and diahrea in

one of them. She also has been bloated and not wanting to eat anything

but oatmeal with goats milk in it. She won't eat any of the foods she

used to like. She has been burping a lot and gagging and burping really

deep burps. She threw up one time over the weekend. She hasn't thrown up

in two months. I was wondering if it sounds like she is having an

intolerance to the goat's milk. She also has three teeth coming in, so i

thought this could be part of it also. I really do not want to take her

off of it, because she is gaining weight. Thanks

Rochelle

[Guest guest]

I read a book on goats milk and for some people that can't tollerate cows

milk

they can tollerate goats milk for some reason. It is easier to digest and

full

of minerals.

Liz d.

> [Original Message]

> From: kay edge <jaelen_n_faithsmom@...>

> < >

> Date: 11/22/2004 3:12:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [ ] goat's milk

>

>

> Why does your doctor want her on goats milk or any milk period? If he is

concerned about calcium she can get that from other places (supplements &

vegetables). You can also try sheep yogurt but liquid (goats or sheep)

seems to be a problem for most.

>

> Rochelle Willingham <Rochellew25@...> wrote:

> hey everyone my ASD daughter is allegic to milk, casien, whey,and

> cheese. She didn't test allergic to goat's milk. She has been milk free

> for 4 months and has really lost weight. The doctor told me to try

> goat's milk instead. I have had her on it for 5 days. Each day she has

> had very mushy stools, and one day she had 4 mushy stools and diahrea in

> one of them. She also has been bloated and not wanting to eat anything

> but oatmeal with goats milk in it. She won't eat any of the foods she

> used to like. She has been burping a lot and gagging and burping really

> deep burps. She threw up one time over the weekend. She hasn't thrown up

> in two months. I was wondering if it sounds like she is having an

> intolerance to the goat's milk. She also has three teeth coming in, so i

> thought this could be part of it also. I really do not want to take her

> off of it, because she is gaining weight. Thanks

>

> Rochelle

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone thanks for the replies I have decided to take her off the

goat's milk, and see what happens. I am pretty sure she is not

tolerating it. Do any of you know if almond milk is good. I am looking

for a drink high in protein and fat. She is very small for her age and

very low muscle tone. Thanks

Rochelle

Re: [ ] goat's milk

>

>

> Why does your doctor want her on goats milk or any milk period? If he

is

concerned about calcium she can get that from other places (supplements

&

vegetables). You can also try sheep yogurt but liquid (goats or sheep)

seems to be a problem for most.

>

> Rochelle Willingham <Rochellew25@...> wrote:

> hey everyone my ASD daughter is allegic to milk, casien, whey,and

> cheese. She didn't test allergic to goat's milk. She has been milk

free

> for 4 months and has really lost weight. The doctor told me to try

> goat's milk instead. I have had her on it for 5 days. Each day she has

> had very mushy stools, and one day she had 4 mushy stools and diahrea

in

> one of them. She also has been bloated and not wanting to eat anything

> but oatmeal with goats milk in it. She won't eat any of the foods she

> used to like. She has been burping a lot and gagging and burping

really

> deep burps. She threw up one time over the weekend. She hasn't thrown

up

> in two months. I was wondering if it sounds like she is having an

> intolerance to the goat's milk. She also has three teeth coming in, so

i

> thought this could be part of it also. I really do not want to take

her

> off of it, because she is gaining weight. Thanks

>

> Rochelle

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[Guest guest]

There are good reasons for consuming dairy food above and beyond

calcium. The best dairy foods are based on sheep and goat milk or

cows milk that is guaranteed to be A2 casein. Raw milk is much, much

healthier than pasteurised milk as it contains cysteine in its

cysteine form, which is less problematic and better at building

glutathione. Yoghurt is excellent. SCD-legal yoghurt is excellent and

not too hard to make (use raw goat milk culture for 30 hours)

Dairy also has plenty of growth factors. But if your child has

problems with dairy of any kind you can experiment with colostrum and

whey and get similar benefits.

Asie from nut milk, all dairy substutes are problematic. Soy milk is

plain unhealthy and rice, potato etc promote yeast.

Steve

[Guest guest]

> hey everyone my ASD daughter is allegic to milk, casien, whey,and

> cheese. She didn't test allergic to goat's milk.

Does she tolerate enzymes? You can consider giving HNI Peptizyde or

AFP Peptizyde with the milk, see if that helps. It helps most kids

who are not allergic, who are " just intolerant " .

>>She also has been bloated and not wanting to eat anything

> but oatmeal with goats milk in it.

That enzyme will also help with oatmeal for most kids

http://www.houstonni.com/

>>I really do not want to take her

> off of it, because she is gaining weight. Thanks

The almond milk sub might also work, because it tends to have more

calories. However, almonds are high phenol, does she tolerate high

phenol foods? Some phenol intolerant kids can have almonds with

No-Fenol enzyme, some can't.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> There are good reasons for consuming dairy food above and beyond

> calcium. The best dairy foods are based on sheep and goat milk or

> cows milk that is guaranteed to be A2 casein. Raw milk is much,

much

> healthier than pasteurised milk as it contains cysteine in its

> cysteine form, which is less problematic and better at building

> glutathione. Yoghurt is excellent. SCD-legal yoghurt is excellent

and

> not too hard to make (use raw goat milk culture for 30 hours)

>

>

In his entertaining book " The Milk Book " , Dr.

says children on goat milk will often get anemic and need

supplemental folic acid. There is none in goat milk I guess, unless

maybe you culture or ferment it (to yoghurt or kefir for instance)

I milk 4 Nubian does for the family and discovered this with my

daughter (age 11) after about the first 2 months. She turned quite

pale but felt fine. 2 weeks on extra folic acid and she had her rosy

cheeks back. We should all take extra anyway I suppose, especially

those of us who never learned to love veggies, and my kids don't.

Ron Schmid's book " The Untold Story of Milk " is also a good

reference, but doesn't mention the goat milk/folic acid connection.

Beth

[Guest guest]

It is just interesting to me how milk is considered so important. Mammals all

have mammary glands but we are the only mammal that continues consuming it after

our infant stage. Elephants, giraffes, panda bears and so on all develop to be

strong health animals on a milk free diet (vegetarian diet).

Just something to think about

shilo572001 <shilo572001@...> wrote:

>

> There are good reasons for consuming dairy food above and beyond

> calcium. The best dairy foods are based on sheep and goat milk or

> cows milk that is guaranteed to be A2 casein. Raw milk is much,

much

> healthier than pasteurised milk as it contains cysteine in its

> cysteine form, which is less problematic and better at building

> glutathione. Yoghurt is excellent. SCD-legal yoghurt is excellent

and

> not too hard to make (use raw goat milk culture for 30 hours)

>

>

In his entertaining book " The Milk Book " , Dr.

says children on goat milk will often get anemic and need

supplemental folic acid. There is none in goat milk I guess, unless

maybe you culture or ferment it (to yoghurt or kefir for instance)

I milk 4 Nubian does for the family and discovered this with my

daughter (age 11) after about the first 2 months. She turned quite

pale but felt fine. 2 weeks on extra folic acid and she had her rosy

cheeks back. We should all take extra anyway I suppose, especially

those of us who never learned to love veggies, and my kids don't.

Ron Schmid's book " The Untold Story of Milk " is also a good

reference, but doesn't mention the goat milk/folic acid connection.

Beth

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[Guest guest]

> >

> > There are good reasons for consuming dairy food above and beyond

> > calcium. The best dairy foods are based on sheep and goat milk or

> > cows milk that is guaranteed to be A2 casein. Raw milk is much,

> much

> > healthier than pasteurised milk as it contains cysteine in its

> > cysteine form, which is less problematic and better at building

> > glutathione. Yoghurt is excellent. SCD-legal yoghurt is excellent

> and

> > not too hard to make (use raw goat milk culture for 30 hours)

> >

> >

>

> In his entertaining book " The Milk Book " , Dr.

> says children on goat milk will often get anemic and need

> supplemental folic acid. There is none in goat milk I guess, unless

> maybe you culture or ferment it (to yoghurt or kefir for instance)

>

> I milk 4 Nubian does for the family and discovered this with my

> daughter (age 11) after about the first 2 months. She turned quite

> pale but felt fine. 2 weeks on extra folic acid and she had her

rosy

> cheeks back. We should all take extra anyway I suppose, especially

> those of us who never learned to love veggies, and my kids don't.

>

> Ron Schmid's book " The Untold Story of Milk " is also a good

> reference, but doesn't mention the goat milk/folic acid connection.

>

> Beth

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

I guess we are just not going to agree on this point. O Well. Life goes on.

shilo572001 <shilo572001@...> wrote:

> >

> > There are good reasons for consuming dairy food above and beyond

> > calcium. The best dairy foods are based on sheep and goat milk or

> > cows milk that is guaranteed to be A2 casein. Raw milk is much,

> much

> > healthier than pasteurised milk as it contains cysteine in its

> > cysteine form, which is less problematic and better at building

> > glutathione. Yoghurt is excellent. SCD-legal yoghurt is excellent

> and

> > not too hard to make (use raw goat milk culture for 30 hours)

> >

> >

>

> In his entertaining book " The Milk Book " , Dr.

> says children on goat milk will often get anemic and need

> supplemental folic acid. There is none in goat milk I guess, unless

> maybe you culture or ferment it (to yoghurt or kefir for instance)

>

> I milk 4 Nubian does for the family and discovered this with my

> daughter (age 11) after about the first 2 months. She turned quite

> pale but felt fine. 2 weeks on extra folic acid and she had her

rosy

> cheeks back. We should all take extra anyway I suppose, especially

> those of us who never learned to love veggies, and my kids don't.

>

> Ron Schmid's book " The Untold Story of Milk " is also a good

> reference, but doesn't mention the goat milk/folic acid connection.

>

> Beth

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

After much hemming and hawing we finally switched from cow's milk to

goat's milk and took away all other dairy products. We had huge results within

two days. He started eating chicken and ham and let us spoon feed him fruits

again. He hadn't done any of that in well over a year. I would highly

recommend giving it a try.

Our nutritionist would have told us not to try it since it still has a little

bit of casein in it, but when we told her his results, she said to keep going

with it.

Mommy to , 2.5 yo, ASD

Goat's Milk

Hi,

My son has shown antibodies for Casein IgG, IgM and IgA from his

Immunosciences lab results. However on his allergy test from a

different company, it says he can have goat's milk. Have any of you

tried this?

Thanks,

Ranjani

[Guest guest]

hey there -

See this link re: goat milk vs. cow milk.

http://www.pecanbread.com/goatyogurt.html

A friend's son has phone appointments with Bradstreet. He went on

and on (at $$$/minute) about the different types of casein. That

supposidely it is really only one cow that produces the problem

(though the diary cow that 99% of the milk in North America comes

from). That the structure of the protein is different...

Who knows.

I'm still too scared to try strait goats milk with our son (though

I'm drinking it... as I'm breastfeeding... and I MUST have milk in

my decaf)... Goat milk decaf? I hope you're laughing... I am.

Good luck

[Guest guest]

I did not have a full supply of breast milk b/c of a breast reduction, and

researched Goat's milk. It is closer to breast milk than cows milk, so I tried

it. I was able to get fresh (we were in small town Iowa at the time), and my

daughter drank the milk, but she ended up with very hard stool. We didn't

continue use, but I just wanted people to know that the goats milk is excellent

in nutritional value if you are trying to get as close to breast milk as

possible.

PS. Just for laughs - Before starting the goats milk, I consulted with the

nurse at our DR.'s office. She laughed at me and said " Silly, goats milk is for

baby goats, not for babies! " So of course I had to down load info from the

Internet and put it in her hands. I can't believe how little " natural " training

nurses and doctors receive. Same problem with my first OBGYN, I wanted to know

how to get extra calcium and he said to take TUMS. I've read that TUMS are

dangerous for the fetus, AND they contain Aluminum. WIsh he could have said

" salmon, broccoli, etc. " I guess doctors only take one class in nutrition.

nigelsmom2 <nigelsmom2@...> wrote:

hey there -

See this link re: goat milk vs. cow milk.

http://www.pecanbread.com/goatyogurt.html

A friend's son has phone appointments with Bradstreet. He went on

and on (at $$$/minute) about the different types of casein. That

supposidely it is really only one cow that produces the problem

(though the diary cow that 99% of the milk in North America comes

from). That the structure of the protein is different...

Who knows.

I'm still too scared to try strait goats milk with our son (though

I'm drinking it... as I'm breastfeeding... and I MUST have milk in

my decaf)... Goat milk decaf? I hope you're laughing... I am.

Good luck