Re: GB4000 or F117

May 18, 2012

Hi,Im in the same situation as you, i am looking for a more versatile machine, such as the gb4000 or f-117. I don t know much about either one or how well they work. I would like informtion on those two machines also.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: IDC2000@...Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:43:59 -0400Subject: GB4000 or F117

Hi,

I've followed this group for some time, although I'm not usually in a position to contribute nearly as much as some do nor as much as I would like to. But, I've come to respect this group's opinions and direction very strongly compared to most other groups I've been involved with. Because of that, I would like your opinion if you could be so kind.

I bought a Doug Coil about a year ago, and have had reasonable success (a few herxes) with it. But, I'm looking for something a bit more versatile, and perhaps powerful - that can tackle other pathogens, especially multiples at the same time (ie: Lyme & Co's) as there can be so many, and it feels like it's hit-or-miss with the Coil. Also, I do have some concerns, the main issue being the VERY strong magnetic fields used as far as long-term exposure goes. Every treatment, because I treat all over the body usually entails about an hour or so of direct exposure to this magnetic field. And, experimenting on myself is one thing (no more kids on the way - yea), but my kids, that's a different matter. They are still very young. Are there any long-term or reproductive effects from the magnetic field that may not show up on them until years later? I also am looking for something that doesn't require direct contact (either pads/handles, or just having to hold the coil against the body) similar the MOPA setup on the GB4000.

So, I've been considering purchasing a 2nd, more versatile Rife machine. I'm still open to others, but have been mainly looking at the GB4000 with amplifier & MOPA, or the F-117.

I would be interested in hearing any pluses & minuses that you may have found with both of these (other than cost - I know they're expensive), or another machine that could help me in making my decision.

Sincere thanks in advance,

JimT

May 19, 2012

Hello Damarise and JimT,

I have no exp. with the GB4000. I have spent over 3 yrs. with the F117. I use it now about 15 x a week treating about 10 people with mild-moderate chronic lyme. Most common symptoms are fatigue, joint pain, muscle stifness and tenderness and brain fog. They start 2 x a week for 20 to 30 min. with the lyme (Borrelia freq. set in the Truerife (F 117) files.If they have no reaction sometimes they just feel better and don't just Herx., but they must indicate some response. With weak response they add 30 sec to 2 min per 4-6 locations (boy that coil gets hot). They only use common freq. say 432 or other co-infection freq. are added. The proposed Tx. guidelines to get well are 1/3 diet: way low carbs, 1/3 rifing and bodywork ( to open flows especially the liver and kidney and upper cervical area (brain stem including Vagus nerve flows) and thoracic area that includes lymphatic drainage (just below clavicle) and 1/3 supplements. MMS 3 drop per hr. protocol. KeaveysKorner supplied an excellent grade of MMS supposedly from Spain. The purity does vary. Compared to another previous supplier, the taste was not as clean and a little harder to stomach. (Apparently some Sodium Chlorite also includes sodium chlorate that will gas off chlorine, and other impurities (another major Sodium Chlorite manuf. specs. included trace amounts of mercury and lead (how'd that get in there?). One herbal formula is used at a time and switched as per occasional muscle testing match. Spirolyd Compound by Herbalist Alchemist is good, LD support by World Herbs, Infection Killer by (unlisted herb combination) but has resulted in some very good feedback, I think the main herb is Blessed thistle taken10-15 capsules once a day empty stomach,2 hrs before eating. All herbal remedies are taken large dose as tolerated once a day on empty stomach. Sometimes late at night empty stomach. Possibly Oregano, as Oregacillin, or CS as Argentyn 23, A less possible maybe would be Samento, Bandor. The homeopathic remedies have some effect as Lyme nosode from Desbio. Little experimentation was done with Lyme Factor (colostrum) from Researched Nutritionals For biofilm Harataki from Banyan, or Grapefruit seed extract, possibly serripeptidase of nattokinase. The reported success rate is 100% in about 2-3 months to 9 mos .These people keep it simple and try one at most 2 at a time.

This information is a report about what some people I know are doing and its working. I am not advising you about treatment. I am not a medical doctor.Back to the F 117: It us very well made, in 3years 1 fuse, 1 transister, blew in learning phase, and was easily replaced. No circuit problems with the electronics. Bulbs connections had to be repaired a couple of times. All in all very reliable. It has to circuits, one emem (radiant bulb circuit) and one ion foot bath. Both DC current. The bulb circuit in audible freq. range (good for lyme) and the foot bath higher freqs. Customizing and testing if quick and easy with computer program and programming ability.The treatment seems to be safe. My children and very young children have used it (for lyme).

The customer service support from Truerife has been excellent. The website is tacky salemanship to me but I have had a genuine relationship with the manuf. so I'm good. People who experiment with the Truerife that I know use it as one strategy within the context of other strategies or remedies such as mentioned above.

Take care, Mark.

Hi,Im in the same situation as you, i am looking for a more versatile machine, such as the gb4000 or f-117. I don t know much about either one or how well they work. I would like informtion on those two machines also.

Damarise

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: IDC2000@...Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:43:59 -0400

Subject: GB4000 or F117

Hi,

I've followed this group for some time, although I'm not usually in a position to contribute nearly as much as some do nor as much as I would like to. But, I've come to respect this group's opinions and direction very strongly compared to most other groups I've been involved with. Because of that, I would like your opinion if you could be so kind.

I bought a Doug Coil about a year ago, and have had reasonable success (a few herxes) with it. But, I'm looking for something a bit more versatile, and perhaps powerful - that can tackle other pathogens, especially multiples at the same time (ie: Lyme & Co's) as there can be so many, and it feels like it's hit-or-miss with the Coil. Also, I do have some concerns, the main issue being the VERY strong magnetic fields used as far as long-term exposure goes. Every treatment, because I treat all over the body usually entails about an hour or so of direct exposure to this magnetic field. And, experimenting on myself is one thing (no more kids on the way - yea), but my kids, that's a different matter. They are still very young. Are there any long-term or reproductive effects from the magnetic field that may not show up on them until years later? I also am looking for something that doesn't require direct contact (either pads/handles, or just having to hold the coil against the body) similar the MOPA setup on the GB4000.

So, I've been considering purchasing a 2nd, more versatile Rife machine. I'm still open to others, but have been mainly looking at the GB4000 with amplifier & MOPA, or the F-117.

I would be interested in hearing any pluses & minuses that you may have found with both of these (other than cost - I know they're expensive), or another machine that could help me in making my decision.

Sincere thanks in advance,

JimT

May 19, 2012

Hi,Thanks for the information il try the blessed thistle, i take mms sometimes but not regularly i got it from australia, i hope it is ok without metals. I Would like to try the unknown herbs by , how do i find them. Im still contemplating on getting another machine i do have a coil, but need something more versatile, il look into the f-117 or gb4000, i havent heard that much about the bg4000 so im still deciding. If you have any other information let me know, its very informative. The main herb seems to be blessed thistle, and mms am i right... thanks againDamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: drmarkjordan@...Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:08:04 -0400Subject: Re: GB4000 or F117

Hello Damarise and JimT,

I have no exp. with the GB4000. I have spent over 3 yrs. with the F117. I use it now about 15 x a week treating about 10 people with mild-moderate chronic lyme. Most common symptoms are fatigue, joint pain, muscle stifness and tenderness and brain fog. They start 2 x a week for 20 to 30 min. with the lyme (Borrelia freq. set in the Truerife (F 117) files.If they have no reaction sometimes they just feel better and don't just Herx., but they must indicate some response. With weak response they add 30 sec to 2 min per 4-6 locations (boy that coil gets hot). They only use common freq. say 432 or other co-infection freq. are added. The proposed Tx. guidelines to get well are 1/3 diet: way low carbs, 1/3 rifing and bodywork ( to open flows especially the liver and kidney and upper cervical area (brain stem including Vagus nerve flows) and thoracic area that includes lymphatic drainage (just below clavicle) and 1/3 supplements. MMS 3 drop per hr. protocol. KeaveysKorner supplied an excellent grade of MMS supposedly from Spain. The purity does vary. Compared to another previous supplier, the taste was not as clean and a little harder to stomach. (Apparently some Sodium Chlorite also includes sodium chlorate that will gas off chlorine, and other impurities (another major Sodium Chlorite manuf. specs. included trace amounts of mercury and lead (how'd that get in there?). One herbal formula is used at a time and switched as per occasional muscle testing match. Spirolyd Compound by Herbalist Alchemist is good, LD support by World Herbs, Infection Killer by (unlisted herb combination) but has resulted in some very good feedback, I think the main herb is Blessed thistle taken10-15 capsules once a day empty stomach,2 hrs before eating. All herbal remedies are taken large dose as tolerated once a day on empty stomach. Sometimes late at night empty stomach. Possibly Oregano, as Oregacillin, or CS as Argentyn 23, A less possible maybe would be Samento, Bandor. The homeopathic remedies have some effect as Lyme nosode from Desbio. Little experimentation was done with Lyme Factor (colostrum) from Researched Nutritionals For biofilm Harataki from Banyan, or Grapefruit seed extract, possibly serripeptidase of nattokinase. The reported success rate is 100% in about 2-3 months to 9 mos .These people keep it simple and try one at most 2 at a time.

This information is a report about what some people I know are doing and its working. I am not advising you about treatment. I am not a medical doctor.Back to the F 117: It us very well made, in 3years 1 fuse, 1 transister, blew in learning phase, and was easily replaced. No circuit problems with the electronics. Bulbs connections had to be repaired a couple of times. All in all very reliable. It has to circuits, one emem (radiant bulb circuit) and one ion foot bath. Both DC current. The bulb circuit in audible freq. range (good for lyme) and the foot bath higher freqs. Customizing and testing if quick and easy with computer program and programming ability.The treatment seems to be safe. My children and very young children have used it (for lyme).

The customer service support from Truerife has been excellent. The website is tacky salemanship to me but I have had a genuine relationship with the manuf. so I'm good. People who experiment with the Truerife that I know use it as one strategy within the context of other strategies or remedies such as mentioned above.

Take care, Mark.

Hi,Im in the same situation as you, i am looking for a more versatile machine, such as the gb4000 or f-117. I don t know much about either one or how well they work. I would like informtion on those two machines also.

Damarise

To: Lyme_and_Rife From: IDC2000@...Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:43:59 -0400

Subject: GB4000 or F117

Hi,

I've followed this group for some time, although I'm not usually in a position to contribute nearly as much as some do nor as much as I would like to. But, I've come to respect this group's opinions and direction very strongly compared to most other groups I've been involved with. Because of that, I would like your opinion if you could be so kind.

I bought a Doug Coil about a year ago, and have had reasonable success (a few herxes) with it. But, I'm looking for something a bit more versatile, and perhaps powerful - that can tackle other pathogens, especially multiples at the same time (ie: Lyme & Co's) as there can be so many, and it feels like it's hit-or-miss with the Coil. Also, I do have some concerns, the main issue being the VERY strong magnetic fields used as far as long-term exposure goes. Every treatment, because I treat all over the body usually entails about an hour or so of direct exposure to this magnetic field. And, experimenting on myself is one thing (no more kids on the way - yea), but my kids, that's a different matter. They are still very young. Are there any long-term or reproductive effects from the magnetic field that may not show up on them until years later? I also am looking for something that doesn't require direct contact (either pads/handles, or just having to hold the coil against the body) similar the MOPA setup on the GB4000.

So, I've been considering purchasing a 2nd, more versatile Rife machine. I'm still open to others, but have been mainly looking at the GB4000 with amplifier & MOPA, or the F-117.

I would be interested in hearing any pluses & minuses that you may have found with both of these (other than cost - I know they're expensive), or another machine that could help me in making my decision.

Sincere thanks in advance,

JimT

May 19, 2012

Hi JimI only used my GB4000 twice so I can't really answer your questions or compare....but did want to let you know I am selling it with amp ...I don't, however have the MOPA but would be a chance for you to get an excellent buy on the GB400 plus amp...please contact me privately if interested.

Thanks,

Hi,

I've followed this group for some time, although I'm not usually in a position to contribute nearly as much as some do nor as much as I would like to. But, I've come to respect this group's opinions and direction very strongly compared to most other groups I've been involved with. Because of that, I would like your opinion if you could be so kind.

I bought a Doug Coil about a year ago, and have had reasonable success (a few herxes) with it. But, I'm looking for something a bit more versatile, and perhaps powerful - that can tackle other pathogens, especially multiples at the same time (ie: Lyme & Co's) as there can be so many, and it feels like it's hit-or-miss with the Coil. Also, I do have some concerns, the main issue being the VERY strong magnetic fields used as far as long-term exposure goes. Every treatment, because I treat all over the body usually entails about an hour or so of direct exposure to this magnetic field. And, experimenting on myself is one thing (no more kids on the way - yea), but my kids, that's a different matter. They are still very young. Are there any long-term or reproductive effects from the magnetic field that may not show up on them until years later? I also am looking for something that doesn't require direct contact (either pads/handles, or just having to hold the coil against the body) similar the MOPA setup on the GB4000.

So, I've been considering purchasing a 2nd, more versatile Rife machine. I'm still open to others, but have been mainly looking at the GB4000 with amplifier & MOPA, or the F-117.

I would be interested in hearing any pluses & minuses that you may have found with both of these (other than cost - I know they're expensive), or another machine that could help me in making my decision.

Sincere thanks in advance,

JimT

May 20, 2012

Hi Damarise,

I just posted a response to JimT about the GB4000/MOPA, please read it...

Take care,

Jim

>

> Hi,

> Im in the same situation as you, i am looking for a more versatile machine,

such as the gb4000 or f-117. I don t know much about either one or how well they

work. I would like informtion on those two machines also.

> Damarise

>

> To: Lyme_and_Rife

> From: IDC2000@...

> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:43:59 -0400

> Subject: GB4000 or F117

>

> Hi,

>

> I've followed this group for some time, although I'm not usually in a

> position to contribute nearly as much as some do nor as much as I would like

> to. But, I've come to respect this group's opinions and direction very

> strongly compared to most other groups I've been involved with. Because of

> that, I would like your opinion if you could be so kind.

>

> I bought a Doug Coil about a year ago, and have had reasonable success

> (a few herxes) with it. But, I'm looking for something a bit more

> versatile, and perhaps powerful - that can tackle other pathogens,

> especially multiples at the same time (ie: Lyme & Co's) as there can be so

> many, and it feels like it's hit-or-miss with the Coil. Also, I do have

> some concerns, the main issue being the VERY strong magnetic fields used as

far

> as long-term exposure goes. Every treatment, because I treat all over

> the body usually entails about an hour or so of direct exposure to this

magnetic

> field. And, experimenting on myself is one thing (no more kids

> on the way - yea), but my kids, that's a different matter. They are still

> very young. Are there any long-term or reproductive effects from the

> magnetic field that may not show up on them until years later? I also am

> looking for something that doesn't require direct contact (either

pads/handles,

> or just having to hold the coil against the body) similar the MOPA setup on

> the GB4000.

>

> So, I've been considering purchasing a 2nd, more versatile Rife

> machine. I'm still open to others, but have been mainly looking at the

> GB4000 with amplifier & MOPA, or the F-117.

>

> I would be interested in hearing any pluses & minuses that you may have

> found with both of these (other than cost - I know they're expensive), or

> another machine that could help me in making my decision.

>

> Sincere thanks in advance,

>

> JimT

>

May 20, 2012

Hi Mark,

I have both the GB 4000 and the F117, I have found that I am very EMF sensitive

to the F117. I can't imagine using the F117 for 30 minutes twice a week. I

have the QX2 bulb, but bought the hammer bulb to try running frequency sets in

my sleep and after about 15 minutes using the hammer I realized that I was

having EMF sensitivity to it. I can't imagine running the hammer all night on

frequencies.

I used to have an EMEM 5 and had the same problem with it. I couldn't even fire

it up for more then 5 minutes before I would start reacting to wifi, vacuum

motors, flourescent lighting etc. I do find that the F117 is better with the

grounding pillow. I also got the grounding sheet for my bed with the hammer and

have not yet tried that to see if it mitigates some of the wifi sensitivity. I

talked to Mike about the EMF sensitivity and he really didn't have any answers

for me, other then to use the grounding. I have been fine using the foot bath,

but I really don't herx from it, so I wonder how much it is doing. I have the

small straight bulb that can be used to help the lymphatics and the curly bulb

as well as the GRS scanner, that I have used on occasion to see if I get hits on

certain frequencies.

I don't seem to have the EMF sensitivity to the coil machine or the GB 4000. I

don't herx as hard using the GB 4000 meaning I probably am not killing stuff off

as much, but I do herx pretty hard with the coil and it seems to be the one

machine that has really brought me back around. I have a problem right now with

my coil, so I am not using it much. I am hoping my husband can call and

trouble shoot it.

I am not 100% better yet even though, I don't have Lyme symptoms much anymore,

but I do the Deseret Homeopathic Borrelia series each spring and still herx, so

I know that I still have some Lyme that my immune system is killing. When you

run the Borrelia set in the F117 files, do you think it is as effective as just

running 432. When you run 432 on the F117, do you set it up to gate and pulse

etc.? I would like to hear more on your F117 treatments for Lyme as I think I

am the only one in the group besides you that has this machine.

Thanks,

>

> > **

> >

> > Hi,

> > Im in the same situation as you, i am looking for a more versatile

> > machine, such as the gb4000 or f-117. I don t know much about either one or

> > how well they work. I would like informtion on those two machines also.

> > Damarise

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > To: Lyme_and_Rife

> > From: IDC2000@...

> > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 12:43:59 -0400

> > Subject: GB4000 or F117

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I've followed this group for some time, although I'm not usually in a

> > position to contribute nearly as much as some do nor as much as I would

> > like to. But, I've come to respect this group's opinions and direction

> > very strongly compared to most other groups I've been involved with.

> > Because of that, I would like your opinion if you could be so kind.

> >

> > I bought a Doug Coil about a year ago, and have had reasonable success (a

> > few herxes) with it. But, I'm looking for something a bit more versatile,

> > and perhaps powerful - that can tackle other pathogens, especially

> > multiples at the same time (ie: Lyme & Co's) as there can be so many, and

> > it feels like it's hit-or-miss with the Coil. Also, I do have some

> > concerns, the main issue being the VERY strong magnetic fields used as far

> > as long-term exposure goes. Every treatment, because I treat all over the

> > body usually entails about an hour or so of direct exposure to this

> > magnetic field. And, experimenting on myself is one thing (no more kids on

> > the way - yea), but my kids, that's a different matter. They are still

> > very young. Are there any long-term or reproductive effects from the

> > magnetic field that may not show up on them until years later? I also am

> > looking for something that doesn't require direct contact (either

> > pads/handles, or just having to hold the coil against the body) similar the

> > MOPA setup on the GB4000.

> >

> > So, I've been considering purchasing a 2nd, more versatile Rife machine.

> > I'm still open to others, but have been mainly looking at the GB4000 with

> > amplifier & MOPA, or the F-117.

> >

> > I would be interested in hearing any pluses & minuses that you may have

> > found with both of these (other than cost - I know they're expensive), or

> > another machine that could help me in making my decision.

> >

> > Sincere thanks in advance,

> >

> > JimT

> >

>

May 21, 2012

HiDo you herx with the F-117? Do you use the gb4000 at all? Do you also have the mopa with your gb4000 or just the amp. Im still deciding on the gb4000 or F-117, I have a coil but I need something versatile but works well. Im basically wondering which machine seems to work best for you the F-117 or the GB4000 without mopa? What are the symptoms to EMFsensitivty? Sorry for all the questions but im curious to know so i can decide on what to get.ThanksDamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: sueblanton@...Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:12:59 +0000Subject: Re: GB4000 or F117

Hi Mark,

I have both the GB 4000 and the F117, I have found that I am very EMF sensitive to the F117. I can't imagine using the F117 for 30 minutes twice a week. I have the QX2 bulb, but bought the hammer bulb to try running frequency sets in my sleep and after about 15 minutes using the hammer I realized that I was having EMF sensitivity to it. I can't imagine running the hammer all night on frequencies.

I used to have an EMEM 5 and had the same problem with it. I couldn't even fire it up for more then 5 minutes before I would start reacting to wifi, vacuum motors, flourescent lighting etc. I do find that the F117 is better with the grounding pillow. I also got the grounding sheet for my bed with the hammer and have not yet tried that to see if it mitigates some of the wifi sensitivity. I talked to Mike about the EMF sensitivity and he really didn't have any answers for me, other then to use the grounding. I have been fine using the foot bath, but I really don't herx from it, so I wonder how much it is doing. I have the small straight bulb that can be used to help the lymphatics and the curly bulb as well as the GRS scanner, that I have used on occasion to see if I get hits on certain frequencies.

I don't seem to have the EMF sensitivity to the coil machine or the GB 4000. I don't herx as hard using the GB 4000 meaning I probably am not killing stuff off as much, but I do herx pretty hard with the coil and it seems to be the one machine that has really brought me back around. I have a problem right now with my coil, so I am not using it much. I am hoping my husband can call and trouble shoot it.

I am not 100% better yet even though, I don't have Lyme symptoms much anymore, but I do the Deseret Homeopathic Borrelia series each spring and still herx, so I know that I still have some Lyme that my immune system is killing. When you run the Borrelia set in the F117 files, do you think it is as effective as just running 432. When you run 432 on the F117, do you set it up to gate and pulse etc.? I would like to hear more on your F117 treatments for Lyme as I think I am the only one in the group besides you that has this machine.