Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Well, the good thing is that you can make kvass out of it! (I have a loaf of heavy old 1/2 wheat bread in my freezer for use in kvass soon!) Nance __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Hi, Nance What is Kvass and how to make it? June Ka <nan4cl@...> wrote: Well, the good thing is that you can make kvass out of it! (I have a loaf of heavy old 1/2 wheat bread in my freezer for use in kvass soon!) Nance __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 I was wondering what types of breadsare acceptable on the diet? We have been doing GF/CF for 3 years now, and the bread I am giving my son does have tapioca in it, just wondering what others are using and where it can be bought. Thanks so much :-) Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 > > I was wondering what types of breadsare acceptable on the diet? We > have been doing GF/CF for 3 years now, and the bread I am giving my son > does have tapioca in it, just wondering what others are using and where > it can be bought. > > > > Thanks so much :-) > > Lori > We use Schwebels looking at label it has malted barley flour, corn syrup & soy lecthin. Our these ing. accepted in ? Carole > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 I went the Schwebels web-site, which bread (name) are you using? They have a lot to pick from. ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of chocolatiluv Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Bread > > I was wondering what types of breadsare acceptable on the diet? We > have been doing GF/CF for 3 years now, and the bread I am giving my son > does have tapioca in it, just wondering what others are using and where > it can be bought. > > > > Thanks so much :-) > > Lori > We use Schwebels looking at label it has malted barley flour, corn syrup & soy lecthin. Our these ing. accepted in ? Carole > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 We buy Aunt Hattie's white bread Sam's Club. On Apr 26, 2010, at 9:23 AM, chocolatiluv wrote: > > > > > > > I was wondering what types of breadsare acceptable on the > diet? We > > have been doing GF/CF for 3 years now, and the bread I am giving > my son > > does have tapioca in it, just wondering what others are using and > where > > it can be bought. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much :-) > > > > Lori > > We use Schwebels looking at label it has malted barley flour, corn > syrup & soy lecthin. Our these ing. accepted in ? > Carole > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 I use the sourdough from Costco or Trader Joe's. Both have very few ingredients and no yeast, dairy or sugar. My son gets a couple pieces of bread a month, at most. Kristy Nardini Tazzini Stainless Steel Bottles www.tazzini.com kristy@... Phone: 858.243.1929 Fax: 858.724.1418 Re: Re: Bread We are making ours from scratch and freezing it. We are dealing with a soy allergy and haven't found a bread that doesn't have soy or canola oil in it. Since they can only eat a limited amount of bread any way our frozen homemade bread lasts awhile. Hope this helps. Martha On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:23 AM, chocolatiluv <chocolatiluv@...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was wondering what types of breadsare acceptable on the diet? We > > have been doing GF/CF for 3 years now, and the bread I am giving my son > > does have tapioca in it, just wondering what others are using and where > > it can be bought. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much :-) > > > > Lori > > We use Schwebels looking at label it has malted barley flour, corn syrup > & soy lecthin. Our these ing. accepted in ? > Carole > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 > > > > I was wondering what types of breadsare acceptable on the diet? > We > > have been doing GF/CF for 3 years now, and the bread I am giving my > son > > does have tapioca in it, just wondering what others are using and > where > > it can be bought. > > > > > > > > Thanks so much :-) > > > > Lori > > We use Schwebels looking at label it has malted barley flour, corn > syrup & soy lecthin. Our these ing. accepted in ? > Carole > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 ina, bread is NOT recommended. And I hate to disappoint you, but neither are high carbs of *any* kind. No grains--not even whole ones--no high-carb veges, no fruit. No high-carb seeds and nuts either. (And those low-carb seeds and nuts that you should be able to tolerate *sparingly* should be soaked in warm, salted water overnight, as per Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions cookbook/health advice.) [i could tell something was a no-no on the diet when it *tasted* sweet; and if I ate it I began to crave it like an addiction--literally the fungus screaming for its food. Also the symptoms I would get after feeding the fungus with high carbs were brain-fog, extreme fatigue, and body chills that felt like low-grade flu--but my fungus went systemic...] Candida is a fungus that feeds on *sugar.* The high carbs turn to sugar in the system, and feed the fungus. If you *really* want to kick candida, it's: No high carbs. [OK, others will tell you that you can eat things like quinoa, amaranth, millet and buckwheat. Well I did that for a few years and guess what? Though they are still low in *sugar* they are still high in *carbs.* And the carbs turn to sugar, remember? So now I can't eat ANY grains at all! [so if you tested yourself and found you had NO adverse symptoms after eating *sprouted* grains [sally Fallon] that had been cooked afterwards, perhaps you could eat them every now and then. Everybody is different. My gut now will not tolerate ANY high carbs, I had inadvertently fed the fungus for so long!!!] The good news? You can eat all the low-carb veges that you want. I for myself bind those with meats (mostly poultry), eggs and fish. I eat soaked seeds and nuts, spices, healthy oils. I take digestive aids, probiotics and nutritional supplements. (I used to culture milk for its probiotic benefit; but my gut will not tolerate that any more either...) I feel fortunate that I have what health I do, and thoroughly enjoy the always-different salads that I create (varying the components as much as my lean budget will allow). While if I thought about it, I could miss all the neat stuff I *used* to be able to eat, absolutely NOTHING is worth being as sick as a dog as I was, BEFORE I gave up the high carbs of fruit, high-carb veges and grains. I at least HAVE SOME kind of life now! ina, keep asking questions. I hope more of the group members respond to your question. There is wisdom in the *multitude* of counselors! Don't just take my say-so on things--hear back from others too!!! I would be remiss to not warn you of the pitfalls I have suffered from, if you *really do* have a gut-fungus problem. This group is awesome; and I hope some of what I said resonates and is helpful for you. Louise From: ina <leepaulina@...> Subject: Bread candidiasis Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM Hello, Can I have any bread on this diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? can I have soda bread? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 ina - A huge high-five to Louise for her post to you. It is basically my story as well. ________________________________ From: Everett <louise_everet93@...> candidiasis Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:24:41 PM Subject: Re: Bread ina, bread is NOT recommended. And I hate to disappoint you, but neither are high carbs of *any* kind. No grains--not even whole ones--no high-carb veges, no fruit. No high-carb seeds and nuts either. (And those low-carb seeds and nuts that you should be able to tolerate *sparingly* should be soaked in warm, salted water overnight, as per Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions cookbook/health advice.) [i could tell something was a no-no on the diet when it *tasted* sweet; and if I ate it I began to crave it like an addiction--literally the fungus screaming for its food. Also the symptoms I would get after feeding the fungus with high carbs were brain-fog, extreme fatigue, and body chills that felt like low-grade flu--but my fungus went systemic...] Candida is a fungus that feeds on *sugar.* The high carbs turn to sugar in the system, and feed the fungus. If you *really* want to kick candida, it's: No high carbs. [OK, others will tell you that you can eat things like quinoa, amaranth, millet and buckwheat. Well I did that for a few years and guess what? Though they are still low in *sugar* they are still high in *carbs.* And the carbs turn to sugar, remember? So now I can't eat ANY grains at all! [so if you tested yourself and found you had NO adverse symptoms after eating *sprouted* grains [sally Fallon] that had been cooked afterwards, perhaps you could eat them every now and then. Everybody is different. My gut now will not tolerate ANY high carbs, I had inadvertently fed the fungus for so long!!!] The good news? You can eat all the low-carb veges that you want. I for myself bind those with meats (mostly poultry), eggs and fish. I eat soaked seeds and nuts, spices, healthy oils. I take digestive aids, probiotics and nutritional supplements. (I used to culture milk for its probiotic benefit; but my gut will not tolerate that any more either...) I feel fortunate that I have what health I do, and thoroughly enjoy the always-different salads that I create (varying the components as much as my lean budget will allow). While if I thought about it, I could miss all the neat stuff I *used* to be able to eat, absolutely NOTHING is worth being as sick as a dog as I was, BEFORE I gave up the high carbs of fruit, high-carb veges and grains. I at least HAVE SOME kind of life now! ina, keep asking questions. I hope more of the group members respond to your question. There is wisdom in the *multitude* of counselors! Don't just take my say-so on things--hear back from others too!!! I would be remiss to not warn you of the pitfalls I have suffered from, if you *really do* have a gut-fungus problem. This group is awesome; and I hope some of what I said resonates and is helpful for you. Louise From: ina <leepaulina@...> Subject: Bread candidiasis Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM Hello, Can I have any bread on this diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? can I have soda bread? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Louise, Thank you for the response. I am having a very difficult time....finding things to eat. Eggs for breakfast everyday....is getting old. A chicken leg with a salad and maybe vegetable soup for dinner is very difficult as well. I can almost cry....when trying to figure out what to eat. I started just eliminating wheat....at first....now I an going a step further....and there doesn't seem like many choices. However, i need to do this as I had a two operations in less than two years for uterine tumors.....and I know it is from candida after reading all the information. I thought I was eating so healthy.....when I would eat pancakes or qrits for breakfast and a bagel with a salad for lunch then maybe pasta for dinner.....wow, was I on carb overload. ina > > From: ina <leepaulina@...> > Subject: Bread > candidiasis > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > Hello, > Can I have any bread on this > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > can I have soda bread? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Louise, All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet. > > From: ina <leepaulina@...> > Subject: Bread > candidiasis > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > Hello, > Can I have any bread on this > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > can I have soda bread? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 For example, this link has an anti-candida diet which has been suscessful for many people. http://www.wholeapproach.com/downloads/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > Subject: Bread > > candidiasis > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > Hello, > > Can I have any bread on this > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Hi , I found this list as well. And, even though it indicates one should avoid pecans, I consume them (raw) and they do not seem to affect me negatively. Carolyn > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > Subject: Bread > > > candidiasis > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > Hello, > > > Can I have any bread on this > > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Carolyn, I am a Whole Approach member. I joined their forum time ago. I find Tarilee ( the moderator and advisor ) very well informed about nutrition and candida. There are a lot of success stories from people who have followed their protocol. > > > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > > Subject: Bread > > > > candidiasis > > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Can I have any bread on this > > > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I agree that my diet is not balanced--it is only what I can pull off right now. And yes I eat carbs--veges have carbs. I only eat the low-carb ones. Thanks. I will strive to increase my anti-fungals and my super green-juice foods for detox purposes. Also will be adding some organic as opposed to non-organic veges in my diet. Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Bread candidiasis Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 3:33 PM Louise, All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet.               > > From: ina <leepaulina@...> > Subject: Bread > candidiasis > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > Hello, > Can I have any bread on this > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > can I have soda bread? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 , Your points are well taken. I have tried to live the zero carbs life for 8 weeks, and it has been brutal. I did not feel healthy, and as I continue to take anti-fungals I have found the need to introduce grain and yams. I started with cream of buckwheat and even basmati rice. I found that I tolerated these without getting the instant 'feeling of heat' and 'increased pulse rate' which seem to accompany the foods that I cannot tolerate. When I ate some winter squash, I reacted strongly to it, and eliminated it from my diet. We all know that everyone's journey is unique, and each body deals with grain, nuts, carbs differently. I believe I need some carbs in order to re-claim my health. But, the carbs will have to be the ones that the BED and Dr. Crook recommend. (Buckwheat, Millet, etc). I cannot digest Quinoa, so I had to eliminate that as well. Thanks everyone for feedback on this subject. Carolyn > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > Subject: Bread > > candidiasis > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > Hello, > > Can I have any bread on this > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 , I like the list of foods. Thanks for the reminder. Carolyn > > > > > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > > > Subject: Bread > > > > > candidiasis > > > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > Can I have any bread on this > > > > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Louise, We are all here to help you. If you can not tolerate any other grain now, don't eat them. But, we have to work in a way you can get better nutrition in the future. You need an effective protocol that allows you to make progress. When you be ahead and feeling better, you can add some complex carbohydrates. The most important is to avoid everything that you react to it. Keep your diet hypoallergenic. Every intolerance will keep the immune system reacting to it. > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > Subject: Bread > > candidiasis > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > Hello, > > Can I have any bread on this > >Â diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 , it looks like a nice balanced diet, but I do not see where it says that it is specifically for people dealing with *candida.* As a matter of fact, I see a whole *lot* of things on both the green and the orange lists that I would *never* recommend to someone dealing with candida. ??? [i can itemize what those are and why I say so, based on both research and experience. No time for that right now.] Thanks. Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Bread candidiasis Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 3:39 PM For example, this link has an anti-candida diet which has been suscessful for many people. http://www.wholeapproach.com/downloads/WholeApproach_Food_List.pdf                                  > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > Subject: Bread > > candidiasis > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > Hello, > > Can I have any bread on this > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Carolyn, We all (including me), in our deseperation, have tried a very severe diet at one point of this battle. We think that no eating carbohydrates at all, we can eliminate candida. In practice, it isn't possible. I have read about many stories and sacrifices to kill candida fasting and almost eating nothing. At the end, those people have ended worse than before. Candida has low growing factor with proteins and vegetables, but it still can feed on them. Yes, we need to chose an smart diet that give us enough nutrition to hold our day by day. I would like to say that a very restrictive diet for 3 or 4 months could be our answer but unfortunately things are different. This candida battle is a combination of different things such as diet, antifungals, immune activation, etc. I always remember when you said you can not eat this elephant in only one bite. It is true, nobody can. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > > > > Subject: Bread > > > > > > candidiasis > > > > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Can I have any bread on this > > > > > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Louise, Go to Whole Aproach.com ... It is website dedicated to candida. ( a good one ) > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > Subject: Bread > > > candidiasis > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > Hello, > > > Can I have any bread on this > > >Â diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Thanks, . Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Bread candidiasis Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 4:02 PM Louise, We are all here to help you. If you can not tolerate any other grain now, don't eat them. But, we have to work in a way you can get better nutrition in the future. You need an effective protocol that allows you to make progress. When you be ahead and feeling better, you can add some complex carbohydrates. The most important is to avoid everything that you react to it. Keep your diet hypoallergenic. Every intolerance will keep the immune system reacting to it. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > Subject: Bread > > candidiasis > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > Hello, > > Can I have any bread on this > >Â diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 prob a mistake in your typing? that link had nothing to do with candida, had a bunch of other stuff--thanks anyway From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Bread candidiasis Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 4:21 PM Louise, Go to Whole Aproach.com ... It is website dedicated to candida. ( a good one ) Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > Subject: Bread > > > candidiasis > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > Hello, > > > Can I have any bread on this > > >Â diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Louise, Yes, the Whole Approach website is about candida. I joined the group some tima ago. It is a very informative place and they have a good forum. Please, check it again. I am sure you will find some help with them. > > > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > > Subject: Bread > > > > candidiasis > > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Can I have any bread on this > > > >Â diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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