Guest guest Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 yea you had spelled it wholeaproach instead of approach. i am looking at the site. and your english is WAAAAY better than my spanish!!! :-) (like by lightyears...) Louise From: <dieguez.jorge@...> Subject: Re: Bread candidiasis Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:28 PM Louise, Yes, the Whole Approach website is about candida. I joined the group some tima ago. It is a very informative place and they have a good forum. Please, check it again. I am sure you will find some help with them. > > > > > > > > From: ina <leepaulina@> > > > > Subject: Bread > > > > candidiasis > > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Can I have any bread on this > > > > diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use? > > > > can I have soda bread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Hello all, I'd just like to interject a few thoughts. I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without eating grains. Intelligent people disagree on this topic. I could cite many researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. I know you could cite others who disagree. It may just depend on the individual's particular needs. Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs. All vegetables have carbs. Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health. Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese, yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few weeks from eating cheese. I eat over two thousand calories a day, no problem. When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. It's too hard. If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then they can eat the grains and still kill candida. " He didn't say that grains were necessary for health. And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there have been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains. I also am sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing. I had a bit of a setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and difficult relational-type issues with people I knew. I got much better after I was able to positively resolve those issues. Am only telling you this to explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems. ________________________________ From: <dieguez.jorge@...> candidiasis Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM Subject: Re: Bread Louise, All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 , thank you!!!! Well said!!! Louise From: Myslis <smyslis1@...> Subject: Re: Re: Bread candidiasis Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 6:00 PM Hello all, I'd just like to interject a few thoughts. I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without eating grains. Intelligent people disagree on this topic. I could cite many researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. I know you could cite others who disagree. It may just depend on the individual's particular needs. Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs. All vegetables have carbs. Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health. Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese, yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few weeks from eating cheese. I eat over two thousand calories a day, no problem. When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. It's too hard. If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then they can eat the grains and still kill candida. " He didn't say that grains were necessary for health. And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there have been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains. I also am sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing. I had a bit of a setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and difficult relational-type issues with people I knew. I got much better after I was able to positively resolve those issues. Am only telling you this to explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems. ________________________________ From: <dieguez.jorge@...> candidiasis Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM Subject: Re: Bread Louise, All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 We were talking about carbohydrates, no grains. > > Hello all, > > I'd just like to interject a few thoughts. > > I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without > eating grains. Intelligent people disagree on this topic. I could cite many > researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. I > know you could cite others who disagree. It may just depend on the individual's > particular needs. > > Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs. All vegetables have carbs. > Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health. > > Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese, > yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few > weeks from eating cheese. I eat over two thousand calories a day, no problem. > > When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the > reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. > It's too hard. If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then > they can eat the grains and still kill candida. " He didn't say that grains > were necessary for health. > > > And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there have > been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan. Just because you don't > agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist. > > I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains. I also am > sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. > > > I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing. I had a bit of a > setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and > difficult relational-type issues with people I knew. I got much better after I > was able to positively resolve those issues. Am only telling you this to > explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: <dieguez.jorge@...> > candidiasis > Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM > Subject: Re: Bread > > > Louise, > All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very > first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have > bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person > can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the > calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of > fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined > carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The > diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If > you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very > restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more > restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't > do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to > recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have > proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat > carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Yes, right. I meant to say grains and other high-carb foods such as potatoes and winter squash. ________________________________ From: <dieguez.jorge@...> candidiasis Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 7:05:07 PM Subject: Re: Bread  We were talking about carbohydrates, no grains. > > Hello all, > > I'd just like to interject a few thoughts. > > I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without > eating grains. Intelligent people disagree on this topic. I could cite many > researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. >I > > know you could cite others who disagree. It may just depend on the >individual's > > particular needs. http://CureZone.com/dis/ http://CureZone.com/diseases/parasites/ List Unsubscribe: candidiasis-unsubscribe Post message:     candidiasis Group page: candidiasis MARKETPLACE Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. ________________________________ Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Toolbar now. ________________________________ Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Hi , I think 's initial response was to an earlier message that stated on the anti-candida diet one cannot have grains. When in effect, you can have grains if they agree with you. I don't think he was saying that grains are an absolute for everyone. At least, that is not what I got from his message. In fact, there are no absolute 'anti-candida diets'. You have to decide what works for you since most of the experts (on and off the forums) contradict each other. At least, that has been my experience. The only common principle I would throw in the ring is that anything that encourages the growth of candida should be avoided. Since we are all different and our intestinal landscape is unique, that too is open to interpretation. Just my thoughts... Thanks, Carolyn > > Hello all, > > I'd just like to interject a few thoughts. > > I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without > eating grains. Intelligent people disagree on this topic. I could cite many > researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. I > know you could cite others who disagree. It may just depend on the individual's > particular needs. > > Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs. All vegetables have carbs. > Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health. > > Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese, > yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few > weeks from eating cheese. I eat over two thousand calories a day, no problem. > > When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the > reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. > It's too hard. If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then > they can eat the grains and still kill candida. " He didn't say that grains > were necessary for health. > > > And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there have > been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan. Just because you don't > agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist. > > I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains. I also am > sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. > > > I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing. I had a bit of a > setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and > difficult relational-type issues with people I knew. I got much better after I > was able to positively resolve those issues. Am only telling you this to > explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: <dieguez.jorge@...> > candidiasis > Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM > Subject: Re: Bread > > > Louise, > All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very > first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have > bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person > can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the > calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of > fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined > carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The > diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If > you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very > restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more > restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't > do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to > recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have > proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat > carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Yes, Carolyn, I agree with you. ________________________________ From: Carolyn <carolynmil@...> candidiasis Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 12:47:29 PM Subject: Re: Bread  Hi , I think 's initial response was to an earlier message that stated on the anti-candida diet one cannot have grains. When in effect, you can have grains if they agree with you. I don't think he was saying that grains are an absolute for everyone. At least, that is not what I got from his message. In fact, there are no absolute 'anti-candida diets'. You have to decide what works for you since most of the experts (on and off the forums) contradict each other. At least, that has been my experience. The only common principle I would throw in the ring is that anything that encourages the growth of candida should be avoided. Since we are all different and our intestinal landscape is unique, that too is open to interpretation. Just my thoughts... Thanks, Carolyn > > Hello all, > > I'd just like to interject a few thoughts. > > I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without > eating grains. Intelligent people disagree on this topic. I could cite many > researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. >I > > know you could cite others who disagree. It may just depend on the >individual's > > particular needs. > > Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs. All vegetables have >carbs. > > Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health. > > Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese, > yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few > > weeks from eating cheese. I eat over two thousand calories a day, no problem. > > When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the > reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. > > It's too hard. If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then > > they can eat the grains and still kill candida. "   He didn't say that grains > were necessary for health. > > > And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there >have > > been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan. Just because you >don't > > agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist. > > I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains. I also am > sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. > > > I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing. I had a bit of >a > > setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and > difficult relational-type issues with people I knew. I got much better after I > > was able to positively resolve those issues. Am only telling you this to > explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: <dieguez.jorge@...> > candidiasis > Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM > Subject: Re: Bread > >  > Louise, > All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very > first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have > bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, >brown > > rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person > > can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the > calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of > > fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined > carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The > diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If > you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very > restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more > restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't > > do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to > recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have > proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat > carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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