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yea you had spelled it wholeaproach instead of approach. i am looking at

the site. and your english is WAAAAY better than my spanish!!! :-) (like by

lightyears...)

Louise

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

Subject: Re: Bread

candidiasis

Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:28 PM

Louise,

Yes, the Whole Approach website is about candida. I joined the group some tima

ago. It is a very informative place and they have a good forum. Please, check it

again. I am sure you will find some help with them.

               

> > > >

> > > > From: ina <leepaulina@>

> > > > Subject: Bread

> > > > candidiasis

> > > > Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:47 PM

> > > >

> > > > Hello,

> > > > Can I have any bread on this

> > > >  diet.....if so, what type of flour can I use?

> > > > can I have soda bread?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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Hello all,

I'd just like to interject a few thoughts.

I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without

eating grains.  Intelligent people disagree on this topic.  I could cite many

researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy.  I

know you could cite others who disagree.  It may just depend on the individual's

particular needs.

Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs.  All vegetables have carbs. 

Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health.

Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese,

yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few

weeks from eating cheese.  I eat over two thousand  calories a day, no problem.

When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the

reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. 

It's too hard.  If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then

they can eat the grains and still kill candida. "    He didn't say that grains

were necessary for health. 

And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there have

been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan.  Just because you don't

agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.

I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains.  I also am

sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. 

I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing.  I had a bit of a

setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and

difficult relational-type issues with people I knew.  I got much better after I

was able to positively resolve those issues.  Am only telling you this to

explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems.

________________________________

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM

Subject: Re: Bread

 

Louise,

All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very

first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have

bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown

rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person

can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the

calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of

fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined

carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The

diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If

you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very

restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more

restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't

do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to

recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have

proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat

carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet.

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, thank you!!!! Well said!!!

Louise

From: Myslis <smyslis1@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Bread

candidiasis

Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 6:00 PM

Hello all,

I'd just like to interject a few thoughts.

I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without

eating grains.  Intelligent people disagree on this topic.  I could cite many

researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy.  I

know you could cite others who disagree.  It may just depend on the individual's

particular needs.

Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs.  All vegetables have carbs. 

Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health.

Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese,

yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last few

weeks from eating cheese.  I eat over two thousand  calories a day, no problem.

When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the

reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow it. 

It's too hard.  If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite anti-fungal), " then

they can eat the grains and still kill candida. "    He didn't say that grains

were necessary for health. 

And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there have

been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan.  Just because you don't

agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.

I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains.  I also am

sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. 

I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing.  I had a bit of a

setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and

difficult relational-type issues with people I knew.  I got much better after I

was able to positively resolve those issues.  Am only telling you this to

explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems.

________________________________

From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM

Subject: Re: Bread

 

Louise,

All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very

first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have

bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans, brown

rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a person

can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the

calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount of

fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined

carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The

diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If

you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very

restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more

restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time won't

do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to

recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have

proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat

carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet.

     

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We were talking about carbohydrates, no grains.

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'd just like to interject a few thoughts.

>

> I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without

> eating grains.  Intelligent people disagree on this topic.  I could cite many

> researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. 

I

> know you could cite others who disagree.  It may just depend on the

individual's

> particular needs.

>

> Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs.  All vegetables have

carbs. 

> Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health.

>

> Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese,

> yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last

few

> weeks from eating cheese.  I eat over two thousand  calories a day, no

problem.

>

> When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the

> reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow

it. 

> It's too hard.  If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite

anti-fungal), " then

> they can eat the grains and still kill candida. "    He didn't say that grains

> were necessary for health. 

>

>

> And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there

have

> been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan.  Just because you

don't

> agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.

>

> I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains.  I also am

> sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. 

>

>

> I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing.  I had a bit of

a

> setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and

> difficult relational-type issues with people I knew.  I got much better after

I

> was able to positively resolve those issues.  Am only telling you this to

> explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM

> Subject: Re: Bread

>

>  

> Louise,

> All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very

> first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have

> bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans,

brown

> rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a

person

> can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the

> calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount

of

> fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined

> carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The

> diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If

> you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very

> restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more

> restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time

won't

> do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to

> recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have

> proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat

> carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, right.  I meant to say grains and other high-carb foods such as potatoes

and winter squash.

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From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 7:05:07 PM

Subject: Re: Bread

 

We were talking about carbohydrates, no grains.

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'd just like to interject a few thoughts.

>

> I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without

> eating grains.  Intelligent people disagree on this topic.  I could cite

many

> researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most

healthy. 

>I

>

> know you could cite others who disagree.  It may just depend on the

>individual's

>

> particular needs.

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Hi ,

I think 's initial response was to an earlier message that stated on the

anti-candida diet one cannot have grains. When in effect, you can have grains if

they agree with you. I don't think he was saying that grains are an absolute

for everyone. At least, that is not what I got from his message.

In fact, there are no absolute 'anti-candida diets'. You have to decide what

works for you since most of the experts (on and off the forums) contradict each

other. At least, that has been my experience. The only common principle I would

throw in the ring is that anything that encourages the growth of candida should

be avoided. Since we are all different and our intestinal landscape is unique,

that too is open to interpretation.

Just my thoughts...

Thanks,

Carolyn

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'd just like to interject a few thoughts.

>

> I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without

> eating grains.  Intelligent people disagree on this topic.  I could cite many

> researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most healthy. 

I

> know you could cite others who disagree.  It may just depend on the

individual's

> particular needs.

>

> Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs.  All vegetables have

carbs. 

> Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health.

>

> Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese,

> yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last

few

> weeks from eating cheese.  I eat over two thousand  calories a day, no

problem.

>

> When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the

> reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow

it. 

> It's too hard.  If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite

anti-fungal), " then

> they can eat the grains and still kill candida. "    He didn't say that grains

> were necessary for health. 

>

>

> And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there

have

> been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan.  Just because you

don't

> agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.

>

> I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains.  I also am

> sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the grains. 

>

>

> I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing.  I had a bit of

a

> setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and

> difficult relational-type issues with people I knew.  I got much better after

I

> was able to positively resolve those issues.  Am only telling you this to

> explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM

> Subject: Re: Bread

>

>  

> Louise,

> All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very

> first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have

> bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans,

brown

> rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a

person

> can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the

> calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount

of

> fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined

> carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The

> diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If

> you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very

> restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more

> restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time

won't

> do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to

> recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have

> proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat

> carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Yes, Carolyn, I agree with you. 

________________________________

From: Carolyn <carolynmil@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 12:47:29 PM

Subject: Re: Bread

 

Hi ,

I think 's initial response was to an earlier message that stated on the

anti-candida diet one cannot have grains. When in effect, you can have grains if

they agree with you. I don't think he was saying that grains are an absolute for

everyone. At least, that is not what I got from his message.

In fact, there are no absolute 'anti-candida diets'. You have to decide what

works for you since most of the experts (on and off the forums) contradict each

other. At least, that has been my experience. The only common principle I would

throw in the ring is that anything that encourages the growth of candida should

be avoided. Since we are all different and our intestinal landscape is unique,

that too is open to interpretation.

Just my thoughts...

Thanks,

Carolyn

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'd just like to interject a few thoughts.

>

> I don't think it's true that a person can't get the right nutrition without

> eating grains.  Intelligent people disagree on this topic.  I could cite

many

> researchers and studies that recommend a grain free diet as the most

healthy. 

>I

>

> know you could cite others who disagree.  It may just depend on the

>individual's

>

> particular needs.

>

> Nobody's recommending that a person eat zero carbs.  All vegetables have

>carbs. 

>

> Leafy greens are absolutely essential to health.

>

> Nobody's saying to eat only fat and vegetables. Organic meat, butter, cheese,

> yogurt -- (if you can tolerate the dairy) -- I've gained weight in the last

few

>

> weeks from eating cheese.  I eat over two thousand  calories a day, no

problem.

>

> When I saw Dr.McNett and he showed me the diet he prescribes, he said that the

> reason he doesn't recommend a grain-free diet is that " people don't follow

it. 

>

> It's too hard.  If people take the ketazanole " (his favorite

anti-fungal), " then

>

> they can eat the grains and still kill candida. "    He didn't say that

grains

> were necessary for health. 

>

>

> And as for not ever seeing a candida diet that didn't include grains, there

>have

>

> been two on this site, one from Wil and one from Duncan.  Just because you

>don't

>

> agree with them doesn't mean they don't exist.

>

> I'm sure there are people who can get better while eating grains.  I also am

> sure there are people who can't get better unless they get rid of the

grains. 

>

>

> I am progressively getting better, my energy keeps increasing.  I had a bit

of

>a

>

> setback a few weeks ago but I'm sure that was from emotional issues and

> difficult relational-type issues with people I knew.  I got much better after

I

>

> was able to positively resolve those issues.  Am only telling you this to

> explain that it wasn't mercury or diet causing the problems.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: <dieguez.jorge@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:33:59 PM

> Subject: Re: Bread

>

>  

> Louise,

> All anticandida diets I am aware of allow some kind of grains. Since the very

> first diet created by Dr. Truss until the most recent. All the books I have

> bought about this syndrome ( 14 ) allow some type of carbohydrates. Beans,

>brown

>

> rice, buckwheat, quinoa, millet are very common. It is impossible that a

person

>

> can get a correct nutrition eating only vegatables and proteins. To get the

> calories your body needs eating only vegatables, even if you eat high amount

of

>

> fat, you need to eat 22 pounds of vegetables a day. You need to avoid refined

> carbohydrates and sugars. Complex carbohydrates are allowed but moderatly. The

> diet alone won't kill candida. The diet is thought to help the antifungals. If

> you are taking effective antifungals, you don't need to stick with a very

> restrictive diet for long time. I agree the first 4 or 6 weeks could be more

> restrictive. But, holding a 0 or almost 0 carbohydrate diet for long time

won't

>

> do anything good for you. The goal of any anticandida treatment should be to

> recover your proper immune function, and it is impossible if you don't have

> proper nutrition. Don't get me wrong, I am not inviting anybody to eat

> carbohydrates in the way they may want but to keep an smart diet.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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