Glutathione

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

I'm not , but I can tell you our experience. We mix the glutathione with

2 parts of grape juice. I don't think it tastes bad, since never

complains, but I do know it has a strong smell. Since we give it in an oral

syringe, he can't smell it. For an older child a quick shot glass approach

might work well.

One 4 ounce bottle lasts us about 6 weeks. With the DAN discount it's just

about $15 a week. So I guess you would double that for an older child.

Mom to (3, ASD)

Re: Glutathione

, I just read the site info on this and have a couple of questions. Do

you mix it into anything like water, juice or milk or does your son take it

straight? Does it have a taste? My other dilemma is the price for 4oz. My dd

is 11 but the size of an adult and 4oz doesn't seem like it will get me too far.

Oh well my decision, I would like your comments on the taste though. Thanks,

Jackie.

Primer <sprimer1@...> wrote:How much are you using for your 3

year old?

> We get liquid glutathione from this website

http://www.wellnesshealth.com . I'm not sure I can explain what it

does very well, except that is is a powerful anti-oxidant that seems

to help with what they call 'oxidative stress'. I'm not sure how it

ties into autism, but I do know that we have seen amazing results

since we've been using it with our son who just turned 3. It seems

even more effective when combined with vitamin C.

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In a message dated 6/26/2005 10:06:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

autmom81@... writes:

Lipoceutical Glutathione, which is a new liquid

form that is supposed to be more easily absorbed

What brand would this be?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

My adult son takes Lipoceutical Glutathione, which is a new liquid

form that is supposed to be more easily absorbed. Since taking it, he

has been much more interactive, so I believe it is helping him. We

have not started any chelation yet.

> I have been reading Evidence of Harm. In it, Kirby talks about the

> findings that autistic kids do not produce glutathione which helps

> them move metals out of thier bodies. I noted in a post of Andy's he

> says giving asd kids gluthatione does not help. > Any insight will

help, thanks, LIZ

[Guest guest]

Folinic acid is available from Kirmman labs.

--- eawilkie <eawilkie@...> wrote:

> I have been reading Evidence of Harm. In it, Kirby

> talks about the

> findings that autistic kids do not produce

> glutathione which helps

> them move metals out of thier bodies. I noted in a

> post of Andy's he

> says giving asd kids gluthatione does not help. So

> my conclusion is

> that in order for a kid to move the metals out

> through the use of

> glutathione, they should be enabled to produce it

> on thier own. So,

> my question is, would giving my son a methyl donor

> help him? I

> already give him B12 (supposed to be under the

> tongue, but he won't do

> that so I put it in his juice), should I add folinic

> acid or some

> other methyl donor? And if so, what is another one?

> I can't seem to

> find any folinic acid, only folic acid.

>

> I am assuming they are different.

>

> Any insight will help, thanks, LIZ

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

This is part of the reason why parents are injecting their kids with methyl

B12 shots, according to Dr. Neubrander's protocol.Check out

wwwautismmedia.org or his own website.

Barb

[ ] Glutathione

>I have been reading Evidence of Harm. In it, Kirby talks about the

> findings that autistic kids do not produce glutathione which helps

> them move metals out of thier bodies. I noted in a post of Andy's he

> says giving asd kids gluthatione does not help. So my conclusion is

> that in order for a kid to move the metals out through the use of

> glutathione, they should be enabled to produce it on thier own. So,

> my question is, would giving my son a methyl donor help him? I

> already give him B12 (supposed to be under the tongue, but he won't do

> that so I put it in his juice), should I add folinic acid or some

> other methyl donor? And if so, what is another one? I can't seem to

> find any folinic acid, only folic acid.

>

> I am assuming they are different.

>

> Any insight will help, thanks, LIZ

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Liz, Kirkman sells DMG with folinic acid and B12

> Liz,

> This is part of the reason why parents are injecting their kids

with methyl

> B12 shots, according to Dr. Neubrander's protocol.Check out

> wwwautismmedia.org or his own website.

> Barb

> [ ] Glutathione

>

>

> >I have been reading Evidence of Harm. In it, Kirby talks about

the

> > findings that autistic kids do not produce glutathione which

helps

> > them move metals out of thier bodies. I noted in a post of

Andy's he

> > says giving asd kids gluthatione does not help. So my

conclusion is

> > that in order for a kid to move the metals out through the use of

> > glutathione, they should be enabled to produce it on thier

own. So,

> > my question is, would giving my son a methyl donor help him? I

> > already give him B12 (supposed to be under the tongue, but he

won't do

> > that so I put it in his juice), should I add folinic acid or some

> > other methyl donor? And if so, what is another one? I can't

seem to

> > find any folinic acid, only folic acid.

> >

> > I am assuming they are different.

> >

> > Any insight will help, thanks, LIZ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Wellness

>

> In a message dated 6/26/2005 10:06:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

> autmom81@y... writes:

>

> Lipoceutical Glutathione, which is a new liquid

> form that is supposed to be more easily absorbed

>

>

> What brand would this be?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone on the list (except Jill ) done any pre and post

glutathone testing after using lipo glut, oral glut, IV glut, MB12

shots, etc. Just curious. Holly

> >

> > In a message dated 6/26/2005 10:06:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > autmom81@y... writes:

> >

> > Lipoceutical Glutathione, which is a new liquid

> > form that is supposed to be more easily absorbed

> >

> >

> > What brand would this be?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, How much C are you giving with the 1/4 teaspoon?

Pam

At 07:29 PM 6/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>We give him 1/4 tsp once in the morning and once at night. We started out

>with 1/8th once a day, then twice, then up to 1/4 twice a day. I think we

>did each bump after a week. Definitely keep an eye on yeast, but it works

>wonderfully, especially with extra vitamin C.

>

>

> Re: Glutathione

>

>

> How much are you using for your 3 year old?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We give him 250mg buffered C twice a day, at the same time as the glutathione.

We just mix with a tiny bit of orange juice, and he really likes it.

Re: Glutathione

Hi, How much C are you giving with the 1/4 teaspoon?

Pam

At 07:29 PM 6/18/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>We give him 1/4 tsp once in the morning and once at night. We started out

>with 1/8th once a day, then twice, then up to 1/4 twice a day. I think we

>did each bump after a week. Definitely keep an eye on yeast, but it works

>wonderfully, especially with extra vitamin C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I don't know if you got a response on this but there has been a lot of

previous discussion on this topic. Might want to search the archives. I have

saved a lot of the info but do not have a great grasp of the subject yet.

Sometimes I have to read something 4 - 5 times before I get it. That's why I

create folders in my mail page, so I can save the info there by subject

matter. HTH, jackie D.

Ken Maher <kwmaher29@...> wrote:

Does anyone know about Glutathione? If so, what has your experience been? I saw

an small article in the Family Circle about this and Autism. Any thoughts are

appreciated.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Well, I think earlier Andy said that about glutathione, but lately mentioned

maybe lipo glutathione could be tried for kids who were better on the " on " days

of chelation.

Vitamin C and NAC are the two vitamins I hear about most often raising

glutathione levels. Anyone can take C, but only those kids with low plasma

cysteine should use NAC, and even a small portion of them react negatively to

it.

Re: [ ] Re: Glutathione

I believe Andy says to give lots of other antioxidants to spare the

glutathione that is available.

Debbie

In a message dated 9/16/2005 2:33:58 PM Central Daylight Time,

abrynn@... writes:

> I think is right that Andy has said supplementing glutathione

> can be the wrong way to go, but to my knowledge he never said why.

[Guest guest]

Cysteine and glutathione do not remove mercury. Only chelators with two thiol

groups are able to do this.

About the dosage of NAC, keep the dose low, between 100-200 mgs.

[ ] Glutathione

> >

> > Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low?

We were

> > looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

added

> > sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or

other

> > forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> > chelation process?

> >

> > Tina

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[Guest guest]

> We were

> looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with added

> sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or other

> forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> chelation process?

We use Reduced L-Glutathione Lotion by Kirkman. It's a transdermal

that is applied right on the skin over the liver.

Lila

[Guest guest]

Tina,

My son is not tolerating glutathione supplementation. I tried oral

powder and lipoceutical glutathione. Both utter failures: heavy

cramping and diarrhea.

Perhaps using glutathione precursors would work better for some?

Cystine? NAC? What do we use?

Pam

> From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

> protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low

cysteine

> level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave the

body.

> So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it is

pulled

> out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We have

been

> chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

> increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow the

fecal

> metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first round of

> testing of mercury.

>

> Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low? We

were

> looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

added

> sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or

other

> forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> chelation process?

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

FWIW, we took a one mos. break from td dmps due to high liver

enzymes.

We continued with the td-glutathione from Kirmkmans during that

month and ran a metals test before restarting chelation.

It was one of his best pulls yet for tungsten, arsenic, antimony,

bismuth and lead, though no Hg.

In , " cuch1986 " <cuches@o...> wrote:

> From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

> protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low

cysteine

> level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave the

body.

> So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it is

pulled

> out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We have

been

> chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

> increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow the

fecal

> metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first round of

> testing of mercury.

>

> Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low? We

were

> looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

added

> sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or

other

> forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> chelation process?

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

,

Did you run a liver panel prior to starting DMPS? If so, were they

normal and then went out of whack after starting DMPS? Just curious.

Thanks,

Pam

> > From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

> > protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low

> cysteine

> > level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave

the

> body.

> > So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it is

> pulled

> > out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We

have

> been

> > chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

> > increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow the

> fecal

> > metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first round

of

> > testing of mercury.

> >

> > Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low?

We

> were

> > looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

> added

> > sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or

> other

> > forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> > chelation process?

> >

> > Tina

[Guest guest]

I believe Andy says to give lots of other antioxidants to spare the

glutathione that is available.

Debbie

In a message dated 9/16/2005 2:33:58 PM Central Daylight Time,

abrynn@... writes:

> I think is right that Andy has said supplementing glutathione

> can be the wrong way to go, but to my knowledge he never said why.

[Guest guest]

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure Andy has said many times that using

supplemental glutathione is not necessary, and can be bad. I gave his book to my

mom, so I can't look it up, but I know he has a position on this. You may want

to post a question to him.

-------------- Original message --------------

From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low cysteine

level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave the body.

So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it is pulled

out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We have been

chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow the fecal

metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first round of

testing of mercury.

Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low? We were

looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with added

sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or other

forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

chelation process?

Tina

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I think is right that Andy has said supplementing glutathione

can be the wrong way to go, but to my knowledge he never said why. I

would be curious too.

Anne

>

> Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure Andy has said many

times that using supplemental glutathione is not necessary, and can

be bad. I gave his book to my mom, so I can't look it up, but I know

he has a position on this. You may want to post a question to him.

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

> protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low

cysteine

> level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave the

body.

> So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it is

pulled

> out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We have

been

> chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

> increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow the

fecal

> metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first round of

> testing of mercury.

>

> Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low? We

were

> looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

added

> sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or

other

> forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> chelation process?

>

> Tina

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Yes they were normal prior to starting. They rose slightly elevated,

I believe ref range was to 50 and his were 53 at month 7 of td dmps.

-- In , " noaholiviaian "

<phaselow@w...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Did you run a liver panel prior to starting DMPS? If so, were

they

> normal and then went out of whack after starting DMPS? Just

curious.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

> > > From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

> > > protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low

> > cysteine

> > > level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave

> the

> > body.

> > > So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it

is

> > pulled

> > > out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We

> have

> > been

> > > chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

> > > increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow

the

> > fecal

> > > metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first

round

> of

> > > testing of mercury.

> > >

> > > Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be

low?

> We

> > were

> > > looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

> > added

> > > sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this

or

> > other

> > > forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> > > chelation process?

> > >

> > > Tina

[Guest guest]

>

> Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure Andy has said many times

that using supplemental glutathione is not necessary, and can be bad.

I gave his book to my mom, so I can't look it up, but I know he has a

position on this.

He does say that, . That yes Hg-poisoned people have low

glutathione, but the way to build it up is by giving precursors and

chelating. That said, several people have reported improvements with

either lipo-glut or oral glut, so it may be an individual thing. I

tried lipo glut with n and thought I saw a initial big

improvement, but I removed it when he was having a bad time of it and

the couple of times I tried to re-introduce it he got aggressive. I

don't know whther he only needed a little boost from the 3 weeks he

took it, or whether the improvement I saw wasn't from the lipo glut in

the first place.

Nell

[Guest guest]

First, I have the impression (from Andy's book and from lots of

reports of people having trouble with it) that it is not good to

provide glutathione support unless you know you are low.

If you know that you are low in glutathione, it may or may not cause

problems. I know I am low and plan to try increasing it. I'm going

to use a recommendation that Andy mentions in his book - that is

taking 4 parts NAC, 2 parts glutamine, and 1 part glycine. These are

the component amino acids from which glutathione is made, so this

mixture provides the building blocks for your body can make it.

Has anyone tried this? Is there a way to test to see if it is

helping ?

--

> > From what I understand when using any form of chelation or any

> > protocol if you have a low glutathione level (and hence a low

> cysteine

> > level) the mercury and other toxins will not be able to leave the

> body.

> > So wouldn't this result in resdistribution of mercury (if it is

> pulled

> > out of the cells but unable to be excreted from the body)? We have

> been

> > chelating for almost 5 months with some improovements and some

> > increase in mercury excetion in the urine (NY will not allow the

> fecal

> > metals testing) She went from a 0.3 to a 0.8 on the first round of

> > testing of mercury.

> >

> > Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low? We

> were

> > looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with

> added

> > sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or

> other

> > forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> > chelation process?

> >

> > Tina

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that Glutathione is very difficult for the body

to absorb and process. Few people reported it worked for them.

Since low cysteine is responsible for low gutathione levels it is

best to supplement with cysteine or a form of it that is easily to

convert like the supplement NAC.

Some people benefited taking cysteine and feeling this works for them.

I tried it and it didn't do anything. NAC is the better form for my

system.

Correcting this area of your detox system is extremely important

for successful chelation.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: cuch1986 <cuches@...>

> < >

> Date: 9/16/2005 8:17:51 AM

> Subject: [ ] Glutathione

>

> Should we suppliment with glutathione if it is known to be low? We were

> looking into Thera Naturals Nebulized reduced Glutathione with added

> sodium bicarbinate to neutralize the formula. Anyone try this or other

> forms of glutathione? Could this help with the

> chelation process?

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

I tried it and didn't notice any change at all or improvement.

However that is just me and my system. :? NAC benifited me

the most when I dropped the other two supplements.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: <sage@...>

> < >

> Date: 9/16/2005 2:26:25 PM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Glutathione

>

> First, I have the impression (from Andy's book and from lots of

> reports of people having trouble with it) that it is not good to

> provide glutathione support unless you know you are low.

>

> If you know that you are low in glutathione, it may or may not cause

> problems. I know I am low and plan to try increasing it. I'm going

> to use a recommendation that Andy mentions in his book - that is

> taking 4 parts NAC, 2 parts glutamine, and 1 part glycine. These are

> the component amino acids from which glutathione is made, so this

> mixture provides the building blocks for your body can make it.

>

> Has anyone tried this? Is there a way to test to see if it is

> helping ?

>

> --