Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 hi,i saw a big difference in how i felt after doing colonics at home. constipation is a real problem for me so this really helpedbarbara Hi everyone, I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and am wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. Thank you so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 It is th eonly thing that works fo rme Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:58 PMSubject: Re: Colonics and DMSO hi, i saw a big difference in how i felt after doing colonics at home. constipation is a real problem for me so this really helped barbara Hi everyone,I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and am wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. Thank you so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 Barbara, Have you tried the Essiac tea? I had really bad issues with straining but since I've been drinking the tea, it's been like night & day. That's the real reason I started drinking it & it has helped me in that respect. Susie > > > ** > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and am > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 Barbara, I'm positive it's the tea that has been helping with the constipation because on the days I don't take it, I don't go as well. One of the herbs in it is to help with constipation. I have red clay which I have not tried yet because I'm leery that it will plug me up. I'm sure the high vit c will help as well as mag. Good luck. Susie > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and > > am > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 I'm assuming you mean how often rather than Rife frx. I do a low-volume CE almost every morning. Definitely notice the difference when I miss. L So for coffee enemas, what frequency is common to do enemas for lyme? I have done a little reading and will go back through the archives here to see what people are doing but can you over do it with the coffee?Warmest, Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 marie,the colonics and enemas help keep the hard impactions moving out. i have been struggling trying to find out how to fit in vit. c around mms, as jim said it need 2 hrs apart. if i need 6000 mg a day and then taking the mms over the day two hrs apart, there is no time. add in essiac tea 1 hour away, gluc. 1 hr before or 2 after, other supps etc. it doesn't compute, period. so i thought i would just take the vit c all at once. DON'T DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!. i got so sick. nausea, dizzy, yukky all over. never again. so, i'm back to square one trying to figure it all out. i just don't see where there is time in the day to do all this without some one day and some the next. barbara Barbara we are in the same boat the day you find please let meknow , kindly marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: Colonics and DMSO susie, are you talking about the tea helping with the constipation? if so, i don't think it affected it at all. i have the bells palsy of the gut where the intestines do not move. the only thing that does are stimulants. i am using senna, cascara segrada, and oxy powder and the enemas and colonics.. i am working on 5000-6000 mg of vit c daily to see if that helps it does some. if i take any binders it stops things up. the glucammanon is less constipating, but still seems to interfere so have to up the stimulants if i take more than one a day. barbara Barbara,Have you tried the Essiac tea? I had really bad issues with straining but since I've been drinking the tea, it's been like night & day. That's the real reason I started drinking it & it has helped me in that respect. Susie > > > ** > >> >> > Hi everyone,> >> > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share> > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and am> > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS.> >> > Thank you so!> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Hi Barbara, This is why I don't recommend using salt/C and MMS... It is too difficult to time and MMS will do everything salt/C will do and a lot more... Take care Jim > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and > > am > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 jimi was taking the c to help with the constipation. did no good, though. didn't think of killing anything with it. seems less and less is working for the constipation. and unfortunately, the gluc. does hinder movement. so not sure if it is better to just keep things moving without a binder, or use a binder every other day with added stimulants like cas. segrada, oxy powder on those days. my mag tabs are 100 mg and would need about 20+ a day and not sure that would work. i know i'm not detoxing. my herxes last way too long. saw a lab report from last yr and saw my inr or irn- blood thickness-- is way to thick. wondering if that could be a problem with detox. ginko is suppose to thin blood, do you know how many i should take to help thin it. i have the ginko. also reading the bk, breaking the viscous cycle- the specific carboh. diet. they say with a damage gut and/or bac/viral/yeast overgrowth, the body protects itself by using more mucous to coat the gut wall, preventing absorption. which also creates a place for more bugs to live, double trouble. maybe that is preventing detoxing. so am considering that diet. i think the mag oil is helping some still. my mother is seeing a difference in her stomach issues with mms. so she wants to increase. told her to go slow. at least she wants to use it, thought that great!! have not coiled for several months. wanted to clear out my body and see what is going on. felt a little better for a while, (no die off,) then started getting a lot of gut problems again, and pain. felt it was bart coming back. so coiled for it. yep!! did a few short coils, not much, then coiled for just 5 min. as where before i was up to 4- 20 min. sessions a day with only a 'chronic' mild herx . it really does grow back fast. so waiting this herx out and will begin again at just 1 min 2x a day and increase slowly. then when that is manageable, will hit lyme 1x a wk. i have to get after the lyme or the constipation will never end. and i have already wasted 2 1/2 yrs on bart and i'm back to square one. and i'm not getting any younger, and soon it will be too late. i can't let the bart go or i get way too sick. and the lyme is causing the constipation, not allowing good detox etc, so somehow, i have to treat both. i can see no other option here. it's a 'catch 22' i feel i'm in. maybe do both very slowly, because if i continue to let one go without treatment, i am too sick and might as well bag the whole thing. this just isn't working doing only one at a time. and yes, i am discouraged and see no way out right now. and yes, i did just reduce the benzos again, so maybe that is why i'm feeling so hopeless and that it will never end. so sorry. yes, i need to get up and do something else--for everyone's sake. thanks for being here. barbara Hi Barbara, This is why I don't recommend using salt/C and MMS... It is too difficult to time and MMS will do everything salt/C will do and a lot more... Take care Jim > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could share > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear toxins. I > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel and > > am > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Barbara, You are almost threw with your benz withdrawals.....Hang in their! I understand you are in a difficult spot. I am sending healing strength and prayers your way! Take care, Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could > > share > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear > > toxins. I > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel > > and > > > > am > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 thanks jodie,thought it would get easier the lower the dose, but not finding that entirely true. last time had a really bad convulsion at 6 a.m. and today was the first day of reduction and usually don't see a problem until 2nd to 3rd day. seems it is getting unpredictable and erratic. another one of the 'choose your own adventure' things. we are considering hastening the withdrawal a bit. taking a larger % of reduction and see what happens. just to get it over with. usually the worst is a convulsion, high anxiety, fatigue, craziness, irrational, compulsive thinking, inability to cope, crying, depression, hopelessness, despair. kind of like lyme except the convulsions!! lol i am almost afraid to post during this time because i never know what will trigger a reaction. then i embarrass myself. i'm better off just sitting here. although jims email on 'twisted people cartoons' really made me laugh. it was great and helped. anyone out there who did a faster reduction at the end. i joined the 'benzo buddies' group but can't figure out how to post. would like to ask someone about a faster w/d at the end. thanks again jodie. barbara Barbara, You are almost threw with your benz withdrawals.....Hang in their! I understand you are in a difficult spot. I am sending healing strength and prayers your way! Take care, Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone could > > share > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear > > toxins. I > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% gel > > and > > > > am > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Barbara, that is something that I don't know about. I was 26 when I got off the klonopine. It was tough but I was taking some isotonix from market america....One that seemed to help was their OPC-3 product and lots of fish oils. One day I just quit! I haven't taken those products in years but I know that they helped in some way get off of it and lithium. Then eventually prozac! I have been drug free for over 10 years now! YUCK! The funnies are great! I have been having a riot posting, crazy, silly, and sick humor on my facebook page! If reading that stuff helps.....then keep at it. I have found that helps tremendously! Do you like to read? I do know you have a spiritual background from some of your posts. I was told to read some of Michele Lango O'donnells books. I have read two. Monkey and dragons and the God that created us. Absolutely incredible books. Who knows maybe they would touch your life too and help! They have audio ones too...if reading is too difficult. You can buy them direct from her website, half.com or amazon. Which ever is easiest....but I have reading like crazy lately and it seems to put me into a better mind-frame. I have learned the hard way, that we can't just treat the physical but we have to deal with are mental, emotional and spiritual baggage as well to heal. You are a great person....just dealing with a lot at the moment. Don't give up....you will find a way to push through it! Take care, Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > could > > > > share > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear > > > > toxins. I > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% > > gel > > > > and > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 thanks for all.barbara Barbara, that is something that I don't know about. I was 26 when I got off the klonopine. It was tough but I was taking some isotonix from market america....One that seemed to help was their OPC-3 product and lots of fish oils. One day I just quit! I haven't taken those products in years but I know that they helped in some way get off of it and lithium. Then eventually prozac! I have been drug free for over 10 years now! YUCK! The funnies are great! I have been having a riot posting, crazy, silly, and sick humor on my facebook page! If reading that stuff helps.....then keep at it. I have found that helps tremendously! Do you like to read? I do know you have a spiritual background from some of your posts. I was told to read some of Michele Lango O'donnells books. I have read two. Monkey and dragons and the God that created us. Absolutely incredible books. Who knows maybe they would touch your life too and help! They have audio ones too...if reading is too difficult. You can buy them direct from her website, half.com or amazon. Which ever is easiest....but I have reading like crazy lately and it seems to put me into a better mind-frame. I have learned the hard way, that we can't just treat the physical but we have to deal with are mental, emotional and spiritual baggage as well to heal. You are a great person....just dealing with a lot at the moment. Don't give up....you will find a way to push through it! Take care, Jodie L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > could > > > > share > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear > > > > toxins. I > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% > > gel > > > > and > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 HI Barbara , Wha tI was told at the hospital to withdraw was to trick the body in one days removing oen drops the secodn day putting it back for a few days so the body thinks it is ok and then staying with a drop less so the reaction is lessen and I found it true , KIndly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:18 PMSubject: Re: Colonics and DMSO Barbara, that is something that I don't know about. I was 26 when I got off the klonopine. It was tough but I was taking some isotonix from market america....One that seemed to help was their OPC-3 product and lots of fish oils. One day I just quit! I haven't taken those products in years but I know that they helped in some way get off of it and lithium. Then eventually prozac! I have been drug free for over 10 years now! YUCK!The funnies are great! I have been having a riot posting, crazy, silly, and sick humor on my facebook page! If reading that stuff helps.....then keep at it. I have found that helps tremendously!Do you like to read? I do know you have a spiritual background from some of your posts. I was told to read some of Michele Lango O'donnells books. I have read two. Monkey and dragons and the God that created us. Absolutely incredible books. Who knows maybe they would touch your life too and help! They have audio ones too...if reading is too difficult. You can buy them direct from her website, half.com or amazon. Which ever is easiest....but I have reading like crazy lately and it seems to put me into a better mind-frame.I have learned the hard way, that we can't just treat the physical but we have to deal with are mental, emotional and spiritual baggage as well to heal. You are a great person....just dealing with a lot at the moment. Don't give up....you will find a way to push through it! Take care, Jodie L.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > **> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone> > could> > > > share> > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear> > > > toxins. I> > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90%> > gel> > > > and> > > > > > am> > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you so!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 marie, that is interesting.i was at 1.25 mg. of valium. i just reduced to about 10% less than that. i am using 5 mg. tabs and kind of 'eye ball' the needed % off. not very scientific, but coming pretty close. when i get to 1 mg. i have some 2 mg. tabs i can just cut in two. then will stay with those to continue reducing. just have so many 2 mg. and want to use them up. i would be braver and reduce faster but i keep getting the convulsions so am cautious. also, by reducing too quickly you may have to deal with 'protracted w/d symptoms' for 6-18 months. have heard of people with lyme getting convulsions and wonder if the w/d in combination with lyme has triggered those. if i knew i would struggle for about a wk or so if i just quit at this point i would do so now. but am looking at the longer repercussions. is 1 mg. low enough to just quit? any advice? barbara HI Barbara , Wha tI was told at the hospital to withdraw was to trick the body in one days removing oen drops the secodn day putting it back for a few days so the body thinks it is ok and then staying with a drop less so the reaction is lessen and I found it true , KIndly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Colonics and DMSO Barbara, that is something that I don't know about. I was 26 when I got off the klonopine. It was tough but I was taking some isotonix from market america....One that seemed to help was their OPC-3 product and lots of fish oils. One day I just quit! I haven't taken those products in years but I know that they helped in some way get off of it and lithium. Then eventually prozac! I have been drug free for over 10 years now! YUCK! The funnies are great! I have been having a riot posting, crazy, silly, and sick humor on my facebook page! If reading that stuff helps.....then keep at it. I have found that helps tremendously!Do you like to read? I do know you have a spiritual background from some of your posts. I was told to read some of Michele Lango O'donnells books. I have read two. Monkey and dragons and the God that created us. Absolutely incredible books. Who knows maybe they would touch your life too and help! They have audio ones too...if reading is too difficult. You can buy them direct from her website, half.com or amazon. Which ever is easiest....but I have reading like crazy lately and it seems to put me into a better mind-frame. I have learned the hard way, that we can't just treat the physical but we have to deal with are mental, emotional and spiritual baggage as well to heal. You are a great person....just dealing with a lot at the moment. Don't give up....you will find a way to push through it! Take care, Jodie L. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > **> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > could> > > > share> > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear> > > > toxins. I> > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90% > > gel> > > > and> > > > > > am> > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you so!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 HI Barbara I do not know, I would tru as slowly as possible in your situation tricking th ebody at each reducing . I noticed that the last two drops were the worse. it was with an other addictive sleep aid very strong too . it may ease you way if you try the trick . We find by experience as nobdy is the same I think you are wise to go slowly . Ido nto need anymor eth esleep medecine i ttook me 6 month to get outof it with fallingback again once or twice with the stress of the desease overwelming me twice . But now It looks quite stable the thyptophan wroks quite good too thank you to JIm to mention it better than th emelatonine I think KInfly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:21 PMSubject: Re: Re: Colonics and DMSO marie, that is interesting. i was at 1.25 mg. of valium. i just reduced to about 10% less than that. i am using 5 mg. tabs and kind of 'eye ball' the needed % off. not very scientific, but coming pretty close. when i get to 1 mg. i have some 2 mg. tabs i can just cut in two. then will stay with those to continue reducing. just have so many 2 mg. and want to use them up. i would be braver and reduce faster but i keep getting the convulsions so am cautious. also, by reducing too quickly you may have to deal with 'protracted w/d symptoms' for 6-18 months. have heard of people with lyme getting convulsions and wonder if the w/d in combination with lyme has triggered those. if i knew i would struggle for about a wk or so if i just quit at this point i would do so now. but am looking at the longer repercussions. is 1 mg. low enough to just quit? any advice? barbara HI Barbara , Wha tI was told at the hospital to withdraw was to trick the body in one days removing oen drops the secodn day putting it back for a few days so the body thinks it is ok and then staying with a drop less so the reaction is lessen and I found it true , KIndly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:18 PMSubject: Re: Colonics and DMSO Barbara, that is something that I don't know about. I was 26 when I got off the klonopine. It was tough but I was taking some isotonix from market america....One that seemed to help was their OPC-3 product and lots of fish oils. One day I just quit! I haven't taken those products in years but I know that they helped in some way get off of it and lithium. Then eventually prozac! I have been drug free for over 10 years now! YUCK!The funnies are great! I have been having a riot posting, crazy, silly, and sick humor on my facebook page! If reading that stuff helps.....then keep at it. I have found that helps tremendously!Do you like to read? I do know you have a spiritual background from some of your posts. I was told to read some of Michele Lango O'donnells books. I have read two. Monkey and dragons and the God that created us. Absolutely incredible books. Who knows maybe they would touch your life too and help! They have audio ones too...if reading is too difficult. You can buy them direct from her website, half.com or amazon. Which ever is easiest....but I have reading like crazy lately and it seems to put me into a better mind-frame.I have learned the hard way, that we can't just treat the physical but we have to deal with are mental, emotional and spiritual baggage as well to heal. You are a great person....just dealing with a lot at the moment. Don't give up....you will find a way to push through it! Take care, Jodie L.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > **> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone> > could> > > > share> > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to clear> > > > toxins. I> > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought DMSO/90%> > gel> > > > and> > > > > > am> > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with MMS.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you so!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Hi Barbara, I would continue to reduce as you have... Stopping too fast could present with results you are not happy with.. Keep in mind, the body needs to adjust slowly to lower amounts... And keep in mind, that high dose of mag oil helps with convulsions... We had a group member with convulsions and was greatly improved by using high amounts of mag oil... You know who I always say to scale up slowly, well now you have to scale down slowly... It will be over soon! Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > > > could > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to > > clear > > > > > > toxins. I > > > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought > > DMSO/90% > > > > gel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with > > MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Hi i have taken valium for years really for sleep. sometimes i take from 10 to 30 mg at once at night but not every day. i noticed every three days i would need it to sleep. if i get anxiety when not taking it i just endure the anxiety, i started taking olmetec a high blood pressure pill. it helped me sleep and kept me very calm i took it for a week, i didn t have to take valium after that, and my dependence for it to sleep went away, i take it occationally though, but we all react differently to medicines. i found it easy not to take anymore. it might be a different situations with other.DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@...Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:36:39 +0000Subject: Re: Colonics and DMSO Hi Barbara, I would continue to reduce as you have... Stopping too fast could present with results you are not happy with.. Keep in mind, the body needs to adjust slowly to lower amounts... And keep in mind, that high dose of mag oil helps with convulsions... We had a group member with convulsions and was greatly improved by using high amounts of mag oil... You know who I always say to scale up slowly, well now you have to scale down slowly... It will be over soon! Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > > > could > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to > > clear > > > > > > toxins. I > > > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought > > DMSO/90% > > > > gel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with > > MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Damarise,i have heard of others who got off it with less difficulty. on the flip side, i have heard of others who have had more difficulty. from what i've learned there are a lot of factors, age, length of treatment, dosage, consistency, and why you need it. mine was only for sleep, although it took care of many other symptoms. we aren't sure why i'm having such a hard time with it. through jim's info on magnesium, i have found i'm really low. when i started using it the heart racing/palps, some muscles twitching/spasms have reduced. so it may be a combo of deficiencies and conditions. many people don't even realize there is a problem with the withdrawal. for those that have less distinct symptoms, many doctors and patients assume it is the person's health issues that are just getting worse. when you reduce, the withdrawal symptoms mimic, and actually make worse, the symptoms it was suppose to take care, making the patient think it was their original symptoms. then the doctors say you just need more of the meds because your original symptoms are getting worse. crazy, but i've heard this many times. i'm really glad you haven't had a hard time with it.barbara Hi i have taken valium for years really for sleep. sometimes i take from 10 to 30 mg at once at night but not every day. i noticed every three days i would need it to sleep. if i get anxiety when not taking it i just endure the anxiety, i started taking olmetec a high blood pressure pill. it helped me sleep and kept me very calm i took it for a week, i didn t have to take valium after that, and my dependence for it to sleep went away, i take it occationally though, but we all react differently to medicines. i found it easy not to take anymore. it might be a different situations with other. DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@... Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:36:39 +0000Subject: Re: Colonics and DMSO Hi Barbara, I would continue to reduce as you have... Stopping too fast could present with results you are not happy with.. Keep in mind, the body needs to adjust slowly to lower amounts... And keep in mind, that high dose of mag oil helps with convulsions... We had a group member with convulsions and was greatly improved by using high amounts of mag oil... You know who I always say to scale up slowly, well now you have to scale down slowly... It will be over soon! Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > > > could > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to > > clear > > > > > > toxins. I > > > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought > > DMSO/90% > > > > gel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with > > MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 thanks everyone, i will continue on the slow path. much safer, and as you say, 'almost there'. if you guys and my husband can handle my crazy episodes then i'm ok with that. however, there were no convulsions this time for which i am grateful for. and jim, you will be glad to hear i spent several hours in the sun yesterday. we have a young man redoing my raised bed gardens. yesterday he was filling the beds and i went out and was able to plant some of the relocated raspberry plants. i even did a little pruning of the dead limbs on the peach tree. later hoping to plant new and relocated strawberries. i know it seems late, but our seasons are late here. this is the first time in over several yrs that i have able to, or even wanted to go out there. it felt so good. and today, i'm not 'underground' from the light work, just under water as it is raining again. why the energy?? i upped my coffee enemas. increased the amount of coffee per c.e. and did two in a row. funny thing, right after them, i felt very sick to my stomach, then it cleared and felt somewhat better, actually hungry. same thing happened the second time. those crazy attacks seemed to have lessened also. hmmm??? congested liver?? also, have done a few more bart coils and didn't get the huge herx. i had found some old test results and the doctor had seen some signs of " fatty liver " . never thought much about it until now. wonder if many of us have congested livers from all the pathogens etc., and that may be a cause of blocked detox pathways. if so, seems that coffee enemas can help to unblock them??? what i'm going to keep this up. thanks lena for talking about the c.e.barbara Damarise,i have heard of others who got off it with less difficulty. on the flip side, i have heard of others who have had more difficulty. from what i've learned there are a lot of factors, age, length of treatment, dosage, consistency, and why you need it. mine was only for sleep, although it took care of many other symptoms. we aren't sure why i'm having such a hard time with it. through jim's info on magnesium, i have found i'm really low. when i started using it the heart racing/palps, some muscles twitching/spasms have reduced. so it may be a combo of deficiencies and conditions. many people don't even realize there is a problem with the withdrawal. for those that have less distinct symptoms, many doctors and patients assume it is the person's health issues that are just getting worse. when you reduce, the withdrawal symptoms mimic, and actually make worse, the symptoms it was suppose to take care, making the patient think it was their original symptoms. then the doctors say you just need more of the meds because your original symptoms are getting worse. crazy, but i've heard this many times. i'm really glad you haven't had a hard time with it.barbara Hi i have taken valium for years really for sleep. sometimes i take from 10 to 30 mg at once at night but not every day. i noticed every three days i would need it to sleep. if i get anxiety when not taking it i just endure the anxiety, i started taking olmetec a high blood pressure pill. it helped me sleep and kept me very calm i took it for a week, i didn t have to take valium after that, and my dependence for it to sleep went away, i take it occationally though, but we all react differently to medicines. i found it easy not to take anymore. it might be a different situations with other. DamariseTo: Lyme_and_Rife From: jimjax2@... Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:36:39 +0000Subject: Re: Colonics and DMSO Hi Barbara, I would continue to reduce as you have... Stopping too fast could present with results you are not happy with.. Keep in mind, the body needs to adjust slowly to lower amounts... And keep in mind, that high dose of mag oil helps with convulsions... We had a group member with convulsions and was greatly improved by using high amounts of mag oil... You know who I always say to scale up slowly, well now you have to scale down slowly... It will be over soon! Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if anyone > > > > could > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this to > > clear > > > > > > toxins. I > > > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought > > DMSO/90% > > > > gel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and with > > MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Barbara, that's awesome! A congested liver will really slow things down tremendously that is for sure. Then of course you have re-circulation of the toxins back into the blood stream. That is probably why your herxes are lasting so long! If the CE's are helping that much def. keep them up! Are u taking any other liver support? That would be helpful also. Tumeric, reishi, and milk thistle are a few herbs that come to mind that I used to use for liver support and/or detox. I haven't taken herbs in a few years and I'm sure others can give you some other great liver supports as suggestions! Doing a happy dance for you today! Take care, Jodie L. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ** > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if > >> anyone > >> > > > > could > >> > > > > > > share > >> > > > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this > >> to > >> > > clear > >> > > > > > > toxins. I > >> > > > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought > >> > > DMSO/90% > >> > > > > gel > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > am > >> > > > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and > >> with > >> > > MMS. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 thanks jodie,yes, i've used milk thistle for yrs. but with all the pathogens, etc. it can easily still be overwhelmed. years ago i did a liver flush with the ep. salt/oil, and i remember having a little relief from those attacks. probably needed to do many to get any lasting relief, but it made me so sick, i just couldn't do it again. i never really made the connection as i have done with this. i knew too little then. one interesting thing that has happened here while we are talking about the g.i. tract. my mom has been getting sicker and sicker over the last couple decades. all 'sick to her stomach, with pain' issues. the last several years has really gotten bad with memory, brain fog, confusion, fatigue, nausea, vomiting. she felt she was ready to die. yesterday my sister and she were walking the beach picking up shells and she got hit with severe, acute gut pain and could barely make it home. ended up taking her to e.r. well, they found that when she had had colon cancer surgery 20-30 yrs ago, it started developing scar tissue, and has now created a narrowing in the colon, backing up the plumbing. she has had the constipation for many, many year now, but because she tends to deny/avoid health issues, and just treat occasionally and inconsistently, when symptoms are unbearable, she has allowed the constipation to progress. she has been able to keep the g.i. tract going just enough over the yrs to survive, but with pain and discomfort, which she would complain to the doctorsssss about. she has complained of nausea, pain, burping, indigestion, heart burn, infected diverticulitis, and on and on for all these yrs. they run tests, take x-rays, then give her the 'purple pill', over and over again. they just don't know, care, think she is an old complaining lady, or whatever, just to collect their $ and get her out the door. criminal. this blockage has caused diverticulitis infections over and over, recirculated toxins on a continual basis, probably caused her h. hernia, and all the toxin symptoms she has had. wonder why no other dr. has spotted this narrowing of the colon on film? but now we have and are excited that we know the cause of her ailments. they gave her stuff to help unblock, then will see specialist for options. she can't do another surgery at her age, but if we keep it moving, and she can do some c.e., and other detox i have learned here, she could be 86 yrs young instead of 86 yr. old. fortunately, longevity runs in her family. thanks to all those who have taught me so much about detoxing. it will definitely help another who hasn't even been here on the forum.barbara Barbara, that's awesome! A congested liver will really slow things down tremendously that is for sure. Then of course you have re-circulation of the toxins back into the blood stream. That is probably why your herxes are lasting so long! If the CE's are helping that much def. keep them up! Are u taking any other liver support? That would be helpful also. Tumeric, reishi, and milk thistle are a few herbs that come to mind that I used to use for liver support and/or detox. I haven't taken herbs in a few years and I'm sure others can give you some other great liver supports as suggestions! Doing a happy dance for you today! Take care, Jodie L. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ** > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I am going to give colonics try and am wondering if > >> anyone > >> > > > > could > >> > > > > > > share > >> > > > > > > > > > > their personal experiences as a good way to use this > >> to > >> > > clear > >> > > > > > > toxins. I > >> > > > > > > > > > > have the equipment and the coffee mix. I also bought > >> > > DMSO/90% > >> > > > > gel > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > am > >> > > > > > > > > > > wondering the best way to use this both topically and > >> with > >> > > MMS. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so! > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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