HBOT

[Guest guest]

Hi there Anni,

 

There is definitely confusion where this issue is concerned! I do feel that for

some kids, HBOT before chelation could be dangerous - depending upon the

toxicity levels of the child. I personally wouldn't feel to comfortable with the

thought that metals could be moved throughout the body and deposited into

different organs due to HBOT treatment.

 

As you stated earlier, it is a good idea to treat leaky gut before HBOT, which

leads me to think that it's probably also best to chelate before HBOT too. Kind

of like treating the problems, and 'fixing' them, before moving on to the

process of healing the damage that the problems have caused? I would have

thought that HBOT would have a much better chance of helping if potential issues

that lead to the problem were first dealt with.

 

I guess you could call me a little skeptical, lol, but I'm not someone to take

the word of just a couple of doctors - especially in a field that has had quite

little research/testing done on it. Any doctor is after all, only as good as the

training and information that they have obtained.

 

Perhaps you summed things up quite well when you said that one of the doctors

told you 'there is no right answer'. I do feel to be stating that it is  " not

DANGEROUS to hbot before chelate " , could be a little premature - it could be

many years before we do in fact know the correct answer to this.

 

Unfortunately there just doesn't seem to be enough info on this particular

subject at this point in time. It is of course up to us as parents to 'learn',

to the best of our ability, about the different treatments available for our

children. I personally, am extremely grateful to the thought

provoking information that Elena is able to offer on the topic of biomedical

treatments. I guess in some instances, we just have to go with our gut tells us,

based on what we do know.

 

I hope you find the HBOT treatment to be of benefit to your little one! I wish

you all the best. I dearly look forward to reading your updates. Take care.

 

 

From: anna_liisajansson@... <anna_liisajansson@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: HBOT

Received: Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 3:22 PM

Hi I am very interested in this as well as we have just started hbot and haven't

chelated yet. I called a Dan Doc from California who is also trained in hbot. To

my surprise he called me back. I asked him his opinion and he said he would

never treat 2 stroke patients the same and he wouldn't treat 2 asd kids the

same. He does have some asd kids go through before, during and after depending

on their toxicity level and other factors. He said ther is no right answer. In

our hbot group only 1 of 4 kids has chelated prioer to hbot. 2 of the kids, mine

included, share the same Dan Doc. I guess it is best to be informed and ask the

right questions. I have consulted 2 Dans on the matter, both docs evaluated my

son's toxicity tests and done office exams and extensive patient review. Both

felt it was a good option for us. My son is relativly low on the metals though

aluminum is moderate.  As some on this board suggest it is not DANGEROUS to hbot

before chelate. 

Every kid is different. I will keep you all posted on our developments,

tomorrow is day3!

Anni

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Re: [ ] Re: HBOT

I've heard from several different sources that the heavy metals need  to be

removed BEFORE  HBOT --- I don't have any documents regarding this,  but I

can check my file box and get back to you.

for my own personal thoughts-- it just  makes sense to chelate  the metals

before HBOT to get optimal results of BOTH treatments.

Becky

In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 

ttaniaa0000@... writes:

Hi  ,

I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments  with regards

to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that  could be

posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If  this

were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to 

give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping?  Thanks.

[Guest guest]

I agree with Becky. If the child has metal issues, get rid of the heavy metals

first, and then do HBOT down the road after chelation if a parent/dr still

feels the child needs it. HBOT may help some kids, but it won't rid the body of

the metals, which are the main culprit for a lot of children.

Our son has heavy metal problems, and I personally wouldn't do HBOT before

chelation, because I wouldn't want to take any chance of possible

re-distribution of metals.

>

> I've heard from several different sources that the heavy metals need to be

> removed BEFORE HBOT --- I don't have any documents regarding this, but I

> can check my file box and get back to you.

>

> for my own personal thoughts-- it just makes sense to chelate the metals

> before HBOT to get optimal results of BOTH treatments.

>

>

> Becky

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> ttaniaa0000@... writes:

>

> Hi ,

>

> I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments with regards

> to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that could be

> posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If this

> were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to

> give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping? Thanks.

>

>

[Guest guest]

We did HBOT during Chelation. Here is what I mean 2-3 times a week we did HBOT

and once in 14 days we did the chelation. When you are pulling the metals out,

yeast and bugs tends to dominate HBOT helps in bringing down the yeast and

bugs. People here do their second set of HBOT 20 sessions) after Chelation to

take care of the milder issues.

>

>

> From: anna_liisajansson@... <anna_liisajansson@...>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: HBOT

>

> Received: Wednesday, 3 March, 2010, 3:22 PM

>

>

> Hi I am very interested in this as well as we have just started hbot and

haven't chelated yet. I called a Dan Doc from California who is also trained in

hbot. To my surprise he called me back. I asked him his opinion and he said he

would never treat 2 stroke patients the same and he wouldn't treat 2 asd kids

the same. He does have some asd kids go through before, during and after

depending on their toxicity level and other factors. He said ther is no right

answer. In our hbot group only 1 of 4 kids has chelated prioer to hbot. 2 of the

kids, mine included, share the same Dan Doc. I guess it is best to be informed

and ask the right questions. I have consulted 2 Dans on the matter, both docs

evaluated my son's toxicity tests and done office exams and extensive patient

review. Both felt it was a good option for us. My son is relativly low on the

metals though aluminum is moderate.  As some on this board suggest it is not

DANGEROUS to hbot before chelate. 

> Every kid is different. I will keep you all posted on our developments,

tomorrow is day3!

> Anni

> Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Virgin Mobile.

>

> Re: [ ] Re: HBOT

>

> I've heard from several different sources that the heavy metals need  to be

> removed BEFORE  HBOT --- I don't have any documents regarding this,  but I

> can check my file box and get back to you.

>

> for my own personal thoughts-- it just  makes sense to chelate  the metals

> before HBOT to get optimal results of BOTH treatments.

>

>

> Becky

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 

> ttaniaa0000@... writes:

>

> Hi  ,

>

> I too would be very interested/grateful to hear your comments  with regards

> to Elena's post. I was of the understanding that any metals that  could be

> posing problems to the brain, could only be removed via chelation? If  this

> were the case, wouldn't they need to be removed before HBOT, in order to 

> give HBOT a 'better' chance of helping?  Thanks.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I find this interesting. Some scientists think that the atmosphere was heavier,

the oxygen more concentrated thousands of years ago and as time goes on it

becomes less so. And we all have more problems b/c of it.

I'm not too educated on chelation. Are there natural Chelators? The idea of

cleaning out my inners and that of my son is appealing. On the other hand, I am

a bit leery of it b/c it is so new and untested. If my son had Autism, I would

look into it for sure, but being as he's just delayed. Well, it's not needed.

But I would like to be eating foods and herbs and such that encourage the body's

cleansing of metals

Liralen

>

> We did HBOT during Chelation. Here is what I mean 2-3 times a week we did HBOT

and once in 14 days we did the chelation. When you are pulling the metals out,

yeast and bugs tends to dominate HBOT helps in bringing down the yeast and

bugs. People here do their second set of HBOT 20 sessions) after Chelation to

take care of the milder issues.

>

[Guest guest]

My son's primary issues are intestinal, not so much with metals. I think we are

all ignoring a major point, it is not just metals poising the brain, it is

toxins from the gut. My son has clostridia, this bacteria is thriving off of

food he cannot digest. He has leaky gut and these toxins from clostridia and

rotting food get into the blood and poisin the brain. HBOT will help with the

yeast, clostridia and intestinal healing. I believe this is why the Docs I have

spoken to said every case is different. My son has never been immunized which

is possibly why he isn't high in metals. It is important to look at metals, but

they are only part of the picture and not always a factor for every child.

We do not chelate to remove metal, obviously. we do this to promote healing and

reduce inflamation. HBOT can really help with yeast. Some kids will have a

better time with chelation if yeast is under control. Also if their guts are

healed with HBOT they will be better able to detoxify these metals.

Just some thoughts!

Anni

[Guest guest]

Our son had high clostridia, too. The things that worked amazingly well for us

for that that were Culturelle, Sacchromyces Boulardii, and just lots and lots of

probiotics (I usually try rotating them). I've also read lots of parents having

success dealing with clostridia by using Oil of Oregano, Olive Leaf Extract, uva

ursi, and bay leaf (although we've never used them personally for

clostridia...but Oil of Oregano works especially well for other types of

bacterial issues in our house). Some parents also do a course of some kind of

RX like Flagyl or Vancomycin for clostridia (although as an FYI, Flagyl can be a

bit hard on the liver).

One other thing, not sure if your son is on some kind of digestive enzymes, but

it sounds like they may really help. I personally love Houston's, and I've also

heard great things about Enzymedica. Also, I've read lots of stories on other

boards where HBOT ended up stirring up yeast like crazy in their child. Of

course it will affect each child differently, and not all have that problem, but

I thought I'd throw it out there just in case so you can have a good yeast

protocol in place if you see issues with that.

Best of luck, I hope it works well for your son!

>

> My son's primary issues are intestinal, not so much with metals. I think we

are all ignoring a major point, it is not just metals poising the brain, it is

toxins from the gut. My son has clostridia, this bacteria is thriving off of

food he cannot digest. He has leaky gut and these toxins from clostridia and

rotting food get into the blood and poisin the brain. HBOT will help with the

yeast, clostridia and intestinal healing. I believe this is why the Docs I have

spoken to said every case is different. My son has never been immunized which

is possibly why he isn't high in metals. It is important to look at metals, but

they are only part of the picture and not always a factor for every child.

> We do not chelate to remove metal, obviously. we do this to promote healing

and reduce inflamation. HBOT can really help with yeast. Some kids will have

a better time with chelation if yeast is under control. Also if their guts are

healed with HBOT they will be better able to detoxify these metals.

> Just some thoughts!

> Anni

>

[Guest guest]

Liralen,

about natural detox, google Andy Cutler's protocol and you'll get a LOT of

information on this

Becky

In a message dated 3/3/2010 11:41:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

liralendoncov@... writes:

I find this interesting. Some scientists think that the atmosphere was

heavier, the oxygen more concentrated thousands of years ago and as time goes

on it becomes less so. And we all have more problems b/c of it.

I'm not too educated on chelation. Are there natural Chelators? The idea

of cleaning out my inners and that of my son is appealing. On the other

hand, I am a bit leery of it b/c it is so new and untested. If my son had

Autism, I would look into it for sure, but being as he's just delayed. Well,

it's not needed. But I would like to be eating foods and herbs and such that

encourage the body's cleansing of metals

Liralen

>

> We did HBOT during Chelation. Here is what I mean 2-3 times a week we

did HBOT and once in 14 days we did the chelation. When you are pulling the

metals out, yeast and bugs tends to dominate HBOT helps in bringing down the

yeast and bugs. People here do their second set of HBOT 20 sessions) after

Chelation to take care of the milder issues.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi~

Just curious out there if any of you have done HBOT despite the guidance from

Goldberg and others against?

We see Dr. Goldberg.  We are trying to follow his protocol on a very strict

basis--but given my son's brain inflammation, I am worried we may be missing out

on an opportunity to further enhance the recovery process.  

Another area is glutathione--anyone doing this as well with good or bad results.

Thanks to all for any insights!

Terri 

[Guest guest]

-

Dr G. give any reasoning for not liking glutathione? Doesn't glutathione help

boost the immune system? And, it is prescription!

-ED

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Re: HBOT

Dr G does not think highly about using gluathion.

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On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Terri <andersonterri@...> wrote:

Hi~

Just curious out there if any of you have done HBOT despite the guidance from

Goldberg and others against?

We see Dr. Goldberg. We are trying to follow his protocol on a very strict

basis--but given my son's brain inflammation, I am worried we may be missing out

on an opportunity to further enhance the recovery process.

Another area is glutathione--anyone doing this as well with good or bad results.

Thanks to all for any insights!

Terri