Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Steve, I really don't understand your doom and gloom premise. If someone was dying and needed me to get them to a hospital I would speed like hell to save that person. Illegal, perhaps, wrong - absolutely not. Everyday someone makes a decision that others might frown on but when you have the overwhelming results that so many of have received from mild hbot with no harm done, again, why the doom and gloom? Thank you, Pat Vosberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Pat, There's no gloom and doom. Gloom and doom says " Bad things are going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it " . Reality says " Sometimes people make mistakes when using devices. The device should be designed to reduce the injury potential if something happens. " Take your example. Speeding is illegal. Sometimes you feel you must, due to emergency or a nice clear stretch of road, put the pedal down and exceed the limit. No harm, no foul, unless there's a policeman with his radar gun, then you get a ticket. You made a choice, you paid the price. Now, let's say you buy your first car. It's a brand you're not familiar with, made with different materials that most cars on the highway, maby a different design, but the salesman tells you " Sure, it will get you from point A to point B like the other cars, but not as fast - and it's cheaper than the other cars, plus you don't need a license to drive it. " So you figure, " OK, it may be slower, but is sure is cheaper than the other cars " , and make the purchase. One little problem, your new car isn't built to federal safety standards. After two years of safe driving, you have an accident and are injured. During your recovery, you discover that the reason you got hurt was because your car didn't have the mandated air bag or safety glass. Was it your fault you got hurt? The reason there are safety standards for virtually every type of device or tool we buy is to protect the end user. The reason there are codes for pressure vessels is because poorly designed and constructed boilers and other devices regularly failed. Today, the failure of a pressure vessel receives high scrutiny due to the rarity of such events. I don't agree that there is " overwhelming results that so many of have received from mild hbot " . Testamonials are anecdotal. There are much easier ways to administer a small amount of oxygen than with a mild hyperbaric chamber pressurized with air. People who believe they've had a positive result are more likely to report it. People who don't get results sell their chambers and try something else. So, no doom, no gloom. Best Regards, Steve > Steve, I really don't understand your doom and gloom premise. If someone > was dying and needed me to get them to a hospital I would speed like hell > to save that person. Illegal, perhaps, wrong - absolutely not. > Everyday someone makes a decision that others might frown on but when you > have the overwhelming results that so many of have received from mild hbot > with no harm done, again, why the doom and gloom? > > Thank you, > Pat Vosberg > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Pat- In medicine one of the issues that we train for is the ability to make non-emotional, responsible decisions. This is why we are taught not to work on our own family members when we have a choice. Emotion clouds the best decision. By speeding you are endangering the lives of other people. Who gave you the right to endanger others even though you are acting out of desperation for the person you are transporting ? Even through the best of intentions your decision was not able to be made objectively. My example is similar situation with the home health chambers. Through desperation or desire, even with best intentions, a faulty or non-certified chamber can be dangerous, even deadly to others....not just you. If regulations are written to follow precisely then why does it become subjectively permissible when these treatments revolve around HBOT ? If you were paying for treatments, wouldn't you want to take your child to a professional facility which was carefully regulated, up to code and safe as possible ?! Would you be ok with it if they said " fire suppression system is down until next month, but we've never had a fire...so everything should be ok " How about hearing that they had themselves built the chamber from storage tanks, painted it to look real nice and bought the parts from Home Depot ? (although Home Depot has it's use at times) Why do professional locations need to follow the rules but parent's don't ??? It's not about control of the industry or making the greatest profit.......It's all about safety and helping patients. Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT Director South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center 3 Professional Park Drive Webster, Texas 77598 281.554.8848 " He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " - Galen Re: [ ] mild hbot Steve, I really don't understand your doom and gloom premise. If someone was dying and needed me to get them to a hospital I would speed like hell to save that person. Illegal, perhaps, wrong - absolutely not. Everyday someone makes a decision that others might frown on but when you have the overwhelming results that so many of have received from mild hbot with no harm done, again, why the doom and gloom? Thank you, Pat Vosberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Steve, maybe you would buy the cheaper car but I would not. Again, you are assuming that people can't make informed decisions. Until you can show where the harm is, then doom and gloom it is. You know that old saying " if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck. " Thank you, Pat Vosberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Sorry Dr. Rain, but - hogwash. People are trained every day (and I use the term " trained " loosely) to treat their loved ones at home. Treatments that are duly regulated to professionals only. Hospitals are finding out that they CAN teach other caregivers to perform certain tasks. Again, you are assuming that my mind is made out of mud. Ambulances drive a lot more reckless than I ever would and are also in a lot more accidents. You have got to use common sense in these situations. Thank you, Pat Vosberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 > > We have a portable hyperbaric chamber from Performance Hyperbaric and have > an oxygen concentrator which we planned on using for our son. I have read > the Dr. Goldberg does not recommend hbot but what about mild hbot (in > portable chambers)? What is the view of portable chambers with a > concentrator? We do not want to mess anything up for our child and would > like to know if anyone has found that mild chambers help or hurt children... > > > > Thanks, > > > > We bought a mild chamber did over 100 dives we feel this contributed to his regression. These chambers are for strokes & brain damage not our kids. I know how you feel & You only want to try anything to help him but please listen to Dr. G. Carole > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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