Re: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

[Guest guest]

Chinese herbalists have been successfully treating diseases like syphilis (which is a spirochete) for hundreds of years before western medicine had a clue...I believe it def has its place in treatment. It is difficult and worrisome to source herbs from China and know they are safe ...I went to a chinese herbalist and was surprised to find she was a qualified doctor in china as well as herbalist. She took near 3 hours for one treatment with 6 weeks medicine especially balanced for me and acupuncture...all for 220. Still expensive to do reg but good value and you know the herbs are organised and supplied by qualified professional. I personally am all for anything that works and helps and therefore happy to recommend chinese herbs, colloidal silver, antibiotics and rife and conjunction with each other. Others may have different experiences and recommend different treatments All the best Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of cameron1000000Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 1:49 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so... Jim, thanks, this is the sort of thing that should be in the news (assuming it is true, which it sounds like it is). Also for reminding us of the dangers of toxicity in imports from China. Which is going through a giant industrial revolution with modern world chemicals and technology. On the other hand I have had a very good expirience with my Chinese doctor. All his herbs and extracts are clearly labeled and I trust his judgement. It is really great to have a doctor that listens to you, asks the right questions, and fixes your problems. He explained he is mostly interested in killing bacteria and supporting my immune system. But I tell him I have low energy, angery, cold hands and feet and he gives me stuff for that too, an it works. Accupuncture is an absolutely incredible science as well, not just for joints and pain as I had thought. lLast time I told him my sinuses were blocked (with a few grams of oak pollen no doubt) and he threw a couple needles und er my nose and sat there for half hour feeling like a cat with two whiskers feeling my sinuses drain. I imagine they stimulate the liver, kidneys etc as well. I also object to that article's assertion that all illnesses can be cured by the plants in our environment. That may well be true, but the question is of the knowledge to do it. While chinese herbalism has been built on for thousands of years and is now taught in universities the way we teach mds western medicine. European herbalism has been through the purges of Christianity and modernism (which despised and demeaned all 'savagery'). American indian, through attempted genocide, forced Christianization, and then incorperation. I see western medicine as a bunch of savages running around in the wilderness. someone gave them lazer guns and they forgot everything else they knew. This is of course all my very humble opinion. All that being said, I wont be recommending 'Chinese herbalism' to people I dont know again, unfortunately. And no, Im not against lazer guns.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I had unfortunatly no result with Chinese medicine . I tryed from a china red cross hospital , from a wellknown chinese dct in Paris and from a gril freind chinese who brought back some herbs from China for me from a huncle who got out of lyme . None of them did anyhting for me so I stopped this way .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Chinese herbalists have been successfully treating diseases like syphilis (which is a spirochete) for hundreds of years before western medicine had a clue...I believe it def has its place in treatment. It is difficult and worrisome to source herbs from China and know they are safe ...I went to a chinese herbalist and was surprised to find she was a qualified doctor in china as well as herbalist. She took near 3 hours for one treatment with 6 weeks medicine especially balanced for me and acupuncture...all for 220. Still expensive to do reg but good value and you know the herbs are organised and supplied by qualified professional.

I personally am all for anything that works and helps and therefore happy to recommend chinese herbs, colloidal silver, antibiotics and rife and conjunction with each other. Others may have different experiences and recommend different treatments

All the best

Cheers

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of cameron1000000Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 1:49 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Jim, thanks, this is the sort of thing that should be in the news (assuming it is true, which it sounds like it is). Also for reminding us of the dangers of toxicity in imports from China. Which is going through a giant industrial revolution with modern world chemicals and technology. On the other hand I have had a very good expirience with my Chinese doctor. All his herbs and extracts are clearly labeled and I trust his judgement. It is really great to have a doctor that listens to you, asks the right questions, and fixes your problems. He explained he is mostly interested in killing bacteria and supporting my immune system. But I tell him I have low energy, angery, cold hands and feet and he gives me stuff for that too, an it works. Accupuncture is an absolutely incredible science as well, not just for joints and pain as I had thought. lLast time I told him my sinuses were blocked (with a few grams of oak pollen no doubt) and he threw a couple

needles und er my nose and sat there for half hour feeling like a cat with two whiskers feeling my sinuses drain. I imagine they stimulate the liver, kidneys etc as well. I also object to that article's assertion that all illnesses can be cured by the plants in our environment. That may well be true, but the question is of the knowledge to do it. While chinese herbalism has been built on for thousands of years and is now taught in universities the way we teach mds western medicine. European herbalism has been through the purges of Christianity and modernism (which despised and demeaned all 'savagery'). American indian, through attempted genocide, forced Christianization, and then incorperation. I see western medicine as a bunch of savages running around in the wilderness. someone gave them lazer guns and they forgot everything else they knew. This is of course all my very humble opinion. All that being said, I wont be recommending 'Chinese

herbalism' to people I dont know again, unfortunately. And no, Im not against lazer guns.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie, I mainly used herbs to ‘sweep my house clean’  (no joke, that’s what she called it).   I detoxed with these before starting antibiotics and it reduced my side effects dramatically.  My doc commented on how well I was doing compared to other Lyme patients and this continued until 6 weeks after I stopped herbs.  The smell made me retch and I couldn’t take it anymore....still thinking of going back on them......My herbalist was shocked when she met me at ‘how far my Lyme had progressed’.  They treat early, on symptoms there, so I don’t think she had ever seen such an advanced case before.  She kept saying ‘why you no go to the doctor soonerâ€.  I kept telling her ‘ I did, lots of time!’  ‘They sent me home and said it was all in my head’.   She made it clear that first you cleanse entire system to make elimination of toxins during die off as easier as possible. And stay on versions of these to help with toxin elimination..then you add in herbs for the  3 stages of lyme and help with immune and inflammation and other symptoms as they occur etc  she adjusted the herbal mixture based on symptoms, skin, eye examination every visit.The thing that stuck in my head is she said in China if she was  treating me for Lyme not in the initial stages I would also require long term  antibiotics to heal and I must use both now and I must see a  doctor for these too. She made it clear  I would not recovery without antibiotics.  She only practised chinese meds here as Australia requires foreign docs to re-qualify here taking many years.  She has a successful business so did not see the point.   Her business was full of nurses from the near by hospital for customers which made me smile! Sorry to hear you had no success with this, but not surprised.  There does not seem to be one true path on the healing of this disease......many paths to Rome and all and not all work for all of us.Maybe your ‘house was already clean’ from everything else you were doing and using. Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Marie BenoitSent: Thursday, 24 May 2012 10:30 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so... Hi ,I had unfortunatly no result with Chinese medicine . I tryed from a china red cross hospital , from a wellknown chinese dct in Paris and from a gril freind chinese who brought back some herbs from China for me from a huncle who got out of lyme . None of them did anyhting for me so I stopped this way .Kindly Marie To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so... Chinese herbalists have been successfully treating diseases like syphilis (which is a spirochete) for hundreds of years before western medicine had a clue...I believe it def has its place in treatment. It is difficult and worrisome to source herbs from China and know they are safe ...I went to a chinese herbalist and was surprised to find she was a qualified doctor in china as well as herbalist. She took near 3 hours for one treatment with 6 weeks medicine especially balanced for me and acupuncture...all for 220. Still expensive to do reg but good value and you know the herbs are organised and supplied by qualified professional. I personally am all for anything that works and helps and therefore happy to recommend chinese herbs, colloidal silver, antibiotics and rife and conjunction with each other. Others may have different experiences and recommend different treatments All the best Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of cameron1000000Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 1:49 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so... Jim, thanks, this is the sort of thing that should be in the news (assuming it is true, which it sounds like it is). Also for reminding us of the dangers of toxicity in imports from China. Which is going through a giant industrial revolution with modern world chemicals and technology. On the other hand I have had a very good expirience with my Chinese doctor. All his herbs and extracts are clearly labeled and I trust his judgement. It is really great to have a doctor that listens to you, asks the right questions, and fixes your problems. He explained he is mostly interested in killing bacteria and supporting my immune system. But I tell him I have low energy, angery, cold hands and feet and he gives me stuff for that too, an it works. Accupuncture is an absolutely incredible science as well, not just for joints and pain as I had thought. lLast time I told him my sinuses were blocked (with a few grams of oak pollen no doubt) and he threw a couple needles und er my nose and sat there for half hour feeling like a cat with two whiskers feeling my sinuses drain. I imagine they stimulate the liver, kidneys etc as well. I also object to that article's assertion that all illnesses can be cured by the plants in our environment. That may well be true, but the question is of the knowledge to do it. While chinese herbalism has been built on for thousands of years and is now taught in universities the way we teach mds western medicine. European herbalism has been through the purges of Christianity and modernism (which despised and demeaned all 'savagery'). American indian, through attempted genocide, forced Christianization, and then incorperation. I see western medicine as a bunch of savages running around in the wilderness. someone gave them lazer guns and they forgot everything else they knew. This is of course all my very humble opinion. All that being said, I wont be recommending 'Chinese herbalism' to people I dont know again, unfortunately. And no, Im not against lazer guns.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you to give me theses details . I do have grate difficulties to detox tha tis why I am so slow . Would youmind to tell me wher eto find theses herbs please and tell me how much it costs ? I may give it a try jus tin case of if it is not too expensive. All the Doctors in question were nto knowledgeable with lyme desease and th eChinese oncle of the girl freind my have take it at an early stage .

THank you for the cheers too

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:31 PMSubject: RE: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Hi Marie,

I mainly used herbs to ‘sweep my house clean’ (no joke, that’s what she called it). I detoxed with these before starting antibiotics and it reduced my side effects dramatically. My doc commented on how well I was doing compared to other Lyme patients and this continued until 6 weeks after I stopped herbs. The smell made me retch and I couldn’t take it anymore....still thinking of going back on them......

My herbalist was shocked when she met me at ‘how far my Lyme had progressed’. They treat early, on symptoms there, so I don’t think she had ever seen such an advanced case before. She kept saying ‘why you no go to the doctor soonerâ€. I kept telling her ‘ I did, lots of time!’ ‘They sent me home and said it was all in my head’.

She made it clear that first you cleanse entire system to make elimination of toxins during die off as easier as possible. And stay on versions of these to help with toxin elimination..then you add in herbs for the 3 stages of lyme and help with immune and inflammation and other symptoms as they occur etc she adjusted the herbal mixture based on symptoms, skin, eye examination every visit.

The thing that stuck in my head is she said in China if she was treating me for Lyme not in the initial stages I would also require long term antibiotics to heal and I must use both now and I must see a doctor for these too. She made it clear I would not recovery without antibiotics. She only practised chinese meds here as Australia requires foreign docs to re-qualify here taking many years. She has a successful business so did not see the point. Her business was full of nurses from the near by hospital for customers which made me smile!

Sorry to hear you had no success with this, but not surprised. There does not seem to be one true path on the healing of this disease......many paths to Rome and all and not all work for all of us.

Maybe your ‘house was already clean’ from everything else you were doing and using.

Cheers

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Marie BenoitSent: Thursday, 24 May 2012 10:30 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Hi ,

I had unfortunatly no result with Chinese medicine . I tryed from a china red cross hospital , from a wellknown chinese dct in Paris and from a gril freind chinese who brought back some herbs from China for me from a huncle who got out of lyme . None of them did anyhting for me so I stopped this way .

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:01 AMSubject: RE: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Chinese herbalists have been successfully treating diseases like syphilis (which is a spirochete) for hundreds of years before western medicine had a clue...I believe it def has its place in treatment. It is difficult and worrisome to source herbs from China and know they are safe ...I went to a chinese herbalist and was surprised to find she was a qualified doctor in china as well as herbalist. She took near 3 hours for one treatment with 6 weeks medicine especially balanced for me and acupuncture...all for 220. Still expensive to do reg but good value and you know the herbs are organised and supplied by qualified professional.

I personally am all for anything that works and helps and therefore happy to recommend chinese herbs, colloidal silver, antibiotics and rife and conjunction with each other. Others may have different experiences and recommend different treatments

All the best

Cheers

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of cameron1000000Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 1:49 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Jim, thanks, this is the sort of thing that should be in the news (assuming it is true, which it sounds like it is). Also for reminding us of the dangers of toxicity in imports from China. Which is going through a giant industrial revolution with modern world chemicals and technology. On the other hand I have had a very good expirience with my Chinese doctor. All his herbs and extracts are clearly labeled and I trust his judgement. It is really great to have a doctor that listens to you, asks the right questions, and fixes your problems. He explained he is mostly interested in killing bacteria and supporting my immune system. But I tell him I have low energy, angery, cold hands and feet and he gives me stuff for that too, an it works. Accupuncture is an absolutely incredible science as well, not just for joints and pain as I had thought. lLast time I told him my sinuses

were blocked (with a few grams of oak pollen no doubt) and he threw a couple needles und er my nose and sat there for half hour feeling like a cat with two whiskers feeling my sinuses drain. I imagine they stimulate the liver, kidneys etc as well. I also object to that article's assertion that all illnesses can be cured by the plants in our environment. That may well be true, but the question is of the knowledge to do it. While chinese herbalism has been built on for thousands of years and is now taught in universities the way we teach mds western medicine. European herbalism has been through the purges of Christianity and modernism (which despised and demeaned all 'savagery'). American indian, through attempted genocide, forced Christianization, and then incorperation. I see western medicine as a bunch of savages running around in the wilderness. someone gave them lazer guns and they forgot everything else they knew. This is of course all my very

humble opinion. All that being said, I wont be recommending 'Chinese herbalism' to people I dont know again, unfortunately. And no, Im not against lazer guns.

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie, Happy to share whatever works for me!  Problem with Chinese meds is they are very specifically made up for each client.  They then give u 2-3 weeks worth of individual bags of mixed up combinations of herbs (roots, leaves, bark etc) with absolutely no idea of what any of them are.  You then boil them up and drink them daily or more. I live in Australia!  Here my family has seen 2 great chinese herbalists.  One was in Cairns.  Mum said it was a waiting room with a little window.  When its your turn u describe all your symptoms and an elderly chinese man checks you out and mixes and dispenses immediately.  Quite cheap and also uses teapills which are easier to take.  The lady doc I saw was in Brisbane, she adjusted my mixture every visit depending on my symptoms at the time. I was very happy with her!  She said in China doctors are trained with both traditional and non traditional medicine such as acupuncture and herbalist treatments.  They use which ever form they feel most helpful at the time....or all forms if necessary in their doc surgeries and hospitals.  Therefore she was trained to use all 3 forms to treat Lyme and other diseases. I would say that it would be very important to find a qualified or highly experienced practicioner!  We have a place called china town in Brisbane and it is full of chinese food/herb etc I have been advised to look there when there next......do you have somewhere similar? I have looked into chinese meds separately due to being cheaper but not so much the cleansing ones....I was after the kill Lyme ones! I’ve read that stephania tetandra is good for eye problems from babesiosis.Japenese knotweed known as polygonum or Hu Zhang,  helps heal hypoperfusion (sluggish blood flow to brain)And incephalitis and swelling in brain and helps get rid of irritable bowel syndrome and spastic colon, lesions in blood vessels, capilleries, arteries and brain (such as plaques found with M>S)  Heals erosions and lesions in the oesophagus and stomach.  Reduces Lyme Endotoxin damage. Specifically protects brain from inflammatory damage and Lyme toxins Have been told burbur is good for tinnitus and cistus tea kills biofilms but have not tested these  2 yet.Stephania tea I have tried for  my neuro lyme helps behind nose, eyes pain head fog. Helps with demyelination of nerves,, bells palsy is an immune modulator.Teasel drives lyme out of extremities and warms body I like using thisAstragalus is harmful for use in chronic lyme so I have not tried itAndrographis I use as it is anti spirochete, immune enhancer, anti inflammatory brain calming agent easily crosses blood brain barrier and accumulates in central nervous system.Cats claw I use as an immune booster, anti inflammatory, for arthritic and muscle pain, to enhance central nervous system and cognitive function It also increases CD57 white bold cell count (natural killer cells)Smilax (sarsaparilla officinalis)Binds toxins helping to flush them and reduce herx symptoms.  Anti spirochetal, immune modulator 9lessons auto immune reactions.  Anti inflammatory for arthritis symptoms, neuro protector easily crossing blood brain barrier, enhances cognitive function, lessens fatigue, enhances liver function.Eleuthero (Siberian ginseng)Immune system booster, adrenal tonic, antidepressant, mental clarity stimulant, enhance energy levels, adaptogen increases non specific resistance to adverse influences.Red Root for shaking ,, chills , feverBoneset teaLicorice (GanCao)  herb for neutralising Lyme nerve toxinsGalla chinesis (Wu BEi i) Herb for binding toxins in digestive system.Pau d’arco tea kilss candida , lyme and bart can herx badly But I am no expert on the above I just use whatever I hear about and works for me! Cheers From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Marie BenoitSent: Friday, 25 May 2012 7:48 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so... Hi ,Thank you to give me theses details . I do have grate difficulties to detox tha tis why I am so slow . Would youmind to tell me wher eto find theses herbs please and tell me how much it costs ? I may give it a try jus tin case of if it is not too expensive. All the Doctors in question were nto knowledgeable with lyme desease and th eChinese oncle of the girl freind my have take it at an early stage .THank you for the cheers too Kindly Marie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for yoru explanations .

No we have south American quarter here not Chinese I am South Florida.

Kindly Marie

To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:14 AMSubject: RE: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Hi Marie,

Happy to share whatever works for me!

Problem with Chinese meds is they are very specifically made up for each client. They then give u 2-3 weeks worth of individual bags of mixed up combinations of herbs (roots, leaves, bark etc) with absolutely no idea of what any of them are. You then boil them up and drink them daily or more.

I live in Australia! Here my family has seen 2 great chinese herbalists. One was in Cairns. Mum said it was a waiting room with a little window. When its your turn u describe all your symptoms and an elderly chinese man checks you out and mixes and dispenses immediately. Quite cheap and also uses teapills which are easier to take. The lady doc I saw was in Brisbane, she adjusted my mixture every visit depending on my symptoms at the time.

I was very happy with her! She said in China doctors are trained with both traditional and non traditional medicine such as acupuncture and herbalist treatments. They use which ever form they feel most helpful at the time....or all forms if necessary in their doc surgeries and hospitals. Therefore she was trained to use all 3 forms to treat Lyme and other diseases.

I would say that it would be very important to find a qualified or highly experienced practicioner! We have a place called china town in Brisbane and it is full of chinese food/herb etc I have been advised to look there when there next......do you have somewhere similar?

I have looked into chinese meds separately due to being cheaper but not so much the cleansing ones....I was after the kill Lyme ones!

I’ve read that stephania tetandra is good for eye problems from babesiosis.

Japenese knotweed known as polygonum or Hu Zhang, helps heal hypoperfusion (sluggish blood flow to brain)

And incephalitis and swelling in brain and helps get rid of irritable bowel syndrome and spastic colon, lesions in blood vessels, capilleries, arteries and brain (such as plaques found with M>S) Heals erosions and lesions in the oesophagus and stomach. Reduces Lyme Endotoxin damage. Specifically protects brain from inflammatory damage and Lyme toxins

Have been told burbur is good for tinnitus and cistus tea kills biofilms but have not tested these 2 yet.

Stephania tea I have tried for my neuro lyme helps behind nose, eyes pain head fog. Helps with demyelination of nerves,, bells palsy is an immune modulator.

Teasel drives lyme out of extremities and warms body I like using this

Astragalus is harmful for use in chronic lyme so I have not tried it

Andrographis I use as it is anti spirochete, immune enhancer, anti inflammatory brain calming agent easily crosses blood brain barrier and accumulates in central nervous system.

Cats claw I use as an immune booster, anti inflammatory, for arthritic and muscle pain, to enhance central nervous system and cognitive function It also increases CD57 white bold cell count (natural killer cells)

Smilax (sarsaparilla officinalis)

Binds toxins helping to flush them and reduce herx symptoms. Anti spirochetal, immune modulator 9lessons auto immune reactions. Anti inflammatory for arthritis symptoms, neuro protector easily crossing blood brain barrier, enhances cognitive function, lessens fatigue, enhances liver function.

Eleuthero (Siberian ginseng)

Immune system booster, adrenal tonic, antidepressant, mental clarity stimulant, enhance energy levels, adaptogen increases non specific resistance to adverse influences.

Red Root for shaking ,, chills , fever

Boneset tea

Licorice (GanCao) herb for neutralising Lyme nerve toxins

Galla chinesis (Wu BEi i) Herb for binding toxins in digestive system.

Pau d’arco tea kilss candida , lyme and bart can herx badly

But I am no expert on the above I just use whatever I hear about and works for me!

Cheers

From: Lyme_and_Rife [mailto:Lyme_and_Rife ] On Behalf Of Marie BenoitSent: Friday, 25 May 2012 7:48 AMTo: Lyme_and_Rife Subject: Re: Re: OT: Chinese Herbs anyone... I don't think so...

Hi ,

Thank you to give me theses details . I do have grate difficulties to detox tha tis why I am so slow . Would youmind to tell me wher eto find theses herbs please and tell me how much it costs ? I may give it a try jus tin case of if it is not too expensive. All the Doctors in question were nto knowledgeable with lyme desease and th eChinese oncle of the girl freind my have take it at an early stage .

THank you for the cheers too

Kindly Marie